>>45074540
i think it really comes down to progressiveness, historically left leaning politics were way more accepting and welcoming to those not straight or not cis (e.g. legalization of gay marriage in the us)

>>45074540
Why does anyone ask this question post 1995 or so? There's almost no choice but to be, at least in the Anglosphere. Leftist governments have been the only ones preserving or expanding LGBT rights; at best past conservative governments found us distasteful but beneath concern, at worst... *gestures around vaguely*
Yes it's incredibly frustrating when they have no nuance or pattern recognition and leave the gates open for their largesse to get pillaged by 'oppressed' immigrant and ethnic minority groups that want to throw us off rooftops, but where the fuck are we supposed to go?

>>45074540
>Alrighty Alice, it's time to do your patriotic duty and vote!
>Would you like to vote for the:
>Apathetic Party That Doesn't Do Anything
>or
>The Kill All Trannies Coalition?

>>45074598
gays and lesbians can go republican, but trannies have no choice

>>45074626
Republicucks are hated by everyone basically. Miggerism has failed. Allying with miggers would be a bigger optix nuke than all the homo families that adopt little boys just to rape them.

>>45074540
probably since rightism is just stealth religious schizophrenia and religious wackos want to murder all legbutts for being possessed by demons

>>45074540
Because we don't want HRT outlawed, duh.
Hamtramck, Michigan, is an important and complex case study, but it doesn't even come close to changing the reality that my options are:
* Vote for the people who literally want something that will result in immense suffering for me.
* Vote for the people who don't really care all that much most of the time but are willing to occasionally stand up to the ones who want to cause me immense suffering.

If any right-leaning party wants to court the LGB community, they have a looooong way to go. If any wants to court the trans community, they are going to need to undo literal decades of bad blood. And then they will need to be on par with, at minimum, some of the worst Democrats.

Realistically, that is not going to happen.

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if only republicucks were as bad as trannies made them out to be..

>>45075236
>charlie kirk says BOOM
Nice one

>>45074626
>gays and lesbians can go republican, but trannies have no choice
Nobody can go Republican, they are pushing World War III with Iran

>>45074540
Because health insurance is connected to the state no matter whether it's private or not, so I need the state to advocate for me. If "the right" were libertarian and just let me do and buy whatever I wanted OTC then maybe I would consider them, but they are not.

>one side hates your very existence and wants you dead
>the other side at least pretends to give a shit about you
gee, I wonder why.

>>45075258
gay people love being in the military tho. the marines is like 40% lesbian

>>45075287
that's cause they banned trannies

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>>45075236
>promoting sodomy in Africa which already suffers from AIDS
Why are whitey globohomo imperialist colonialists so evil?

if you are pro religion you're just a larp-leftist, these people are funtionally right wing

>>45074540
because there are 3 choices
>hates trannies
>hates trannies but in a silent 'will do nothing to stop the actual 'hate trannies party' way'
>supports trannies at no gain to themselves

>>45075476
>supports trannies at no gain to themselves
the fuck you talking about, supporting trannies get them votes

do you think the ban on trannies in us military is gonna be a stepping stone for banning them thought the entire US federal government?

>>45075486
>commies
>get them votes
you might be confused but the liberal part was in the middle

>>45075505
liberal voters want trannies protected.

>>45075525
lol!

>>45074540
because people vote based on social policies and don't care about economy

>>45075525
liberal voters yeah but liberal parties absolutely suck balls at defending trannies or doing anything to prevent the encroach of rightoids who want to kill us all

>>45075561
my parents are 75 for my dad and 68 for my mom, both aging boomers and both liberal and both very not happy with how trans rights are being handled by Trump.

>>45075578
>liberal voters yeah but liberal parties absolutely suck balls at defending trannies or doing anything to prevent the encroach of rightoids who want to kill us all

Really? DEI and trans rights were completely protected under a Democrat congress and Democrat president under Biden. It's only when House went Republican did they start cutting DEI.

>>45075504
I think even this Supreme Court would block that

I hate brown people but I like being a woman thanks

>>45075608
>I think even this Supreme Court would block that
I don't get how the Trump administration could argue they can ban trannies in the US armed forces, but not USDoD civilian workforce, FBI, ICE or CIA.

>>45075634
Damn, I didn't think I could join ice. Cool

>>45074540
Trans people are a genuine minority with no money besides Pritzker so they could only get their rights passed by hitching onto the gay movement political victories in the 2000s and 2010s. But yes, ideologically speaking there is 0 reason for them to be pro-migration (the same way principled environmentalists would be anti-migration).

>>45075642
>Damn, I didn't think I could join ice. Cool

The Bostock v. Clayton County ruling of 2020 covered all employees of the federal government under the Supreme Court ruling, except for a carve out for the US armed forces. So legally, Trump could ban trannies in the military and did just that.

>>45074540
legitimately why does this keep being asked.

do i want to vote my rights away or vote for a party that has the possibilty of protecting them.

dems are retarded and most liberals are either apathetic or dont care about trannies (maybe sometimes even rape us <3). but thats way better than being put on a list and sent to the loony bin to be tortured and destransitioned.

>>45075649
>Trans people are a genuine minority with no money
Funny considering all universities and mega corporations support you.

>>45075634
trans in the military makes some logical sense with supply lines, hrt, etc but not stateside.

>>45074540
why the fuck do you think retard?

>>45075663
>Funny considering all universities and mega corporations support you.

how does that have any effect on my life retard. most corporations have pulled back on lgbt stuff anyways. not that it meant anything in the first place.

they support me in the hopes i give them money? okay....?

>>45075674
>trans in the military makes some logical sense with supply lines, hrt, etc but not stateside.
what about emergencies and have to be deployed? what about all the blood work post-SRS need?

>>45075689
>most corporations have pulled back on lgbt stuff anyways.
I went into a Giant and they had pride everywhere in June. My job at Lowe's didn't have pride, but has a question on it's Workday asking if I "identified as LGBTQ".

You are delusional if they "pulled back on the lgbt stuff"

>>45075689
>they support me in the hopes i give them money? okay....?
that's literally how all change has ever happened in society. you get the people in money to support you, you slowly start infiltrating the money elite by rising up and take over society.

the fact big corporation support x means that movement has achieved a massive ground swell of civil rights activism.

>>45075707
even if they did or didnt who fucking cares. their shareholders just want a number to go up on a screen. what does any of this prove

and I feel very welcoming and accommodated at Lowe's despite having no pride celebration. one of my co-workers is trans with "he-him" on their uniform. I see people with pride flag pins all the time on their uniform. I am still protected from discrimination in the code of conduct.

>>45075724
>even if they did or didnt who fucking cares. their shareholders just want a number to go up on a screen. what does any of this prove
because it influences society and culture idiot. The fact people on average want DEI, pride, POCs, women, over bland white cishet males shows we are winning the culture war.

>>45075754
>POCs

lol

>>45075707
they're looking for an excuse to fire you

>>45075698
what blood work? I got srs and its never impacted by blood?
I meant that no trans in the military makes sense btw sorry

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it's utterly insane how leftoid troons think anything at all is going to happen to them when rightwingers are in office. newsflash retards: cheeto hitler is in office right now, and has been for nearly 6 years total. you haven't been put in camps yet, you haven't been forcefully committed, you haven't lost access to your precious HRT. you know who might eventually do that though? the brown muslim niggers leftwingers infinitely import into the country when theyre in power. the average lefty troon has less than 90 iq though so they can't comprehend anything than the currently circulating propaganda.

>>45075788
>they're looking for an excuse to fire you
I have 13 years straight employment a a previous retail job with assist store managerial position.

Firing me would be losing alot of experienced dedicated good workers.

>>45075707
When universities and mega corporations support pride, they mean "pride" as in bisexual cis women who are barely even LGBT. Because cis women are the largest spenders and hold social power. When it comes to actually controversial trans stuff, like healthcare for minors, all the hospital systems in NY abandoned their patients when the federal government put pressure. You need to understand the dynamics within lgbt to understand what's going on.

>>45075800
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/102/11/3869/4157558

>“We suggest regular clinical evaluation for physical changes and potential adverse changes in response to sex steroid hormones and laboratory monitoring of sex steroid hormone levels every 3 months during the first year of hormone therapy for transgender males and females and then once or twice yearly.”

>“We recommend that clinicians obtain bone mineral density (BMD) measurements when risk factors for osteoporosis exist, specifically in those who stop sex hormone therapy after gonadectomy.”

>>45075814
>all the hospital systems in NY abandoned their patients

....for minors only......

>>45075805
>cheeto hitler is in office right now, and has been for nearly 6 years total. you haven't been put in camps yet, you haven't been forcefully committed, you haven't lost access to your precious HRT.
the issue is not loss of that, but institutional support for it.

literally all the left has to do is be anti immigration and they would win every election

>>45075883
>literally all the left has to do is be anti immigration and they would win every election
lol if you seriously think this.

>>45074540
Liberalism has failed us and the right has no place for us. Our only recourse as trannies is to form our own gatekept communities. With tranner owned businesses, housing, militias, etc.

>>45075805
Trump is a centrist. There are far worse things out there that make Trump look tame in comparison

>>45074626
No they can't, unless they're retarded. Republicans are homophobic as well and there is some effort to take gay rights away, even if it's much weaker than the anti-trans craze

my issue with right wing transgender people is you think they are gonna turn conservatism trans, when in reality it's conservatism turn trans conservative.

Example:
>I'm a right wing transgender person
>I am anti-immigrant
>anti-DEI
>anti-abortion
>anti-Islam and pro-Judeo-Christian values
>pro-Zionism
>pro-free markets
>etc. etc.

>>45075805
>the average lefty troon has less than 90 iq though so they can't comprehend anything than the currently circulating propaganda.
Ironically it's cultural ignorance that causes this
Liberals act as if egalitarian humanism is just the default state of humanity and all those billions of people who disagree are just temporarily embarrassed leftists.
The best places for trans rights in the future are probably going to be east asia unironically because they just want to integrate them and move on.

>>45075930
>The best places for trans rights in the future are probably going to be east asia unironically because they just want to integrate them and move on.
this is laughably untrue btw.

>>45075805
>we wont kill you like those SMELLY BROWN PEOPLE, we'll just keep you as a permanent news cycle and political bludgeon so you never feel normal when leaving the house or integrate fully into society and always have to argue about your existence with family members or friends we might have brainwashed while you keep a close eye on what the news and politicans say about you just incase
id prefer the camps thanks
>>45075883
kill yourself, we will all suffer 2 trillion years of trumpist rule before i compromise a single time

>>45075961
they don't have a growing plurality of muslims, so yes it is true. japan had a federal legal pathway for trans women since 2003.

>>45075969
>id prefer the camps thanks
These words have meanings you know

>>45075975
>japan had a federal legal pathway for trans women since 2003.
That requires sterlization for trannies, something almost every other western country doesn't have.

and japan has plunged in terms of trans support in the last few years to lower than UK. Look up the polling.

>>45075969
>loony troon more concerned with perception in the media than any actual real-world suffering that can't be avoided by turning off the zog machine
color me shocked

>>45075992
>doesnt actually address, or admit this is a problem with your party, or say we need to stop it
thank you for the concession, rightoids will never leave us alone and thats all there is to it

>>45075992
everything that bad exist on phone. once phone gone everything ok now..so true......... i love double cheeseburger with large fry and pepsi : )

>>45075805
>you havent lost everything therefore you havent lost anything
>sure we're demon and treat you like subhumans, but have you considered that maybe in 50 years, muslims may or may not do the same?
I hate people like you so much. It will be a pleasure to vote democrats for the rest of my life

>>45074540
I'm not a leftist but I'm also not a conservative, nor a libertarian or some other kind of meme. My ideology has no representative. So my choices in practice are "party of retarded liberals who don't want to stop me from existing but do want to import brown people who do" vs. "party of retarded conservatives who want to stop me from existing but also want to import brown people who do as well despite pretending otherwise." So you know, only one of those is an actual choice for a tranny? I just stay home and don't vote, though.

>>45074540
Because the alphabet crowd is less intelligent than the general population, statistically speaking.

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>>45075988
>That requires sterlization for trannies, something almost every other western country doesn't have.
If you're going to get SRS anyway who cares?

>>45076034
ESL turdworlder-kun, you won't be voting in any of my elections any time soon.
>>45076027
>make up something
>HEY YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS HOW RIGHT-WINGERS CONTROL THE MEDIA AND ONLY TALK ABOUT TRANNIES 24/7
yeah i didn't address it because it makes absolutely no sense. this is shit you seek out to make yourself feel bad.

>>45075975
>japan is based because they accept you if you get srs
you mean like iran does

>>45075883
If they go against the illegal immigration then their opponents will move the goalpost somewhere else...like going even harder on anti-tranny shit since one "problem" is solved. They will never rest, they need that cycle of power. It's all Jewish theatre and also jews rape and eat white children because they're demons.

>>45075906
truke. he just markets himself to right wingers very well. he is a New Yorker after all, who was a dem for decades

>>45076097
yes, in order to be a woman they require having the same sexual organ as 99% of women

>>45076069
Republicans are about to get wiped off the map lololol. Say goodbye to your precious white race faggot

>>45076113
it matters very little what Trump's views are. they is governed by the people who elected him and the people in his cabinet and they are all anti-tranny.

>>45076126
>Republicans are about to get wiped off the map
Jerking off hard to idea of NC, Georgia, Texas, and Florida going blue and we impose LGBTQ agenda on the states. Gonna take off day of election and after to pound off.

>>45076127
he controls his base fairly well.

>>45076149
>he controls his base fairly well.
It's the other way around idiot.

>>45076140
very unrealistic. Even if dems get house and senate, trump can just veto everything and basicly get everything he wants

>>45075905
Trannies are either bimbo effeminate airheads or autistic ogrehons who have random screaming tantrums and meltdowns over menial things. You aren't having jack shit done independently.

>>45075807
middle management is the most replaceable position, they want to put you on a queer list so you get on their radar

>>45076186
you forgot autistic depressoids who never do anything

>>45076140
NC is a purple state and they're getting a blue senator these midterms (governor is also a dem). Possibly two blue house representatives too. Georgia doesn't have any gains. It's a purple state and the homosexual Atlanta blueberry is inflating like the 'jak berryboy but it doesn't always offset the deep red parts, I think they are getting a dem senator but the governor might be a Republican again, I heard the black woman fumbled the debate. Blue Texas I won't believe till I see it. Talarico seems to be getting astroturfed too hard it could have an opposite effect. Florida is too raped by all the various migatard spics and jews. All the miga train billionaires and jews moved there, boomers still haven't gone extinct, spics support Drumpf cause they fellate the idea that he might just liberate their commie shitholes. It's gonna be Red for a while, not even a purple state at this point.

>>45074605
obviously the former are you insane

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>>45075905
>militias
They're calling it the most malebrained post of all time.
If you're women go be attractive as possible to get sympathy from the powerful, ladder climb/monkeybranch up social hierarchies and guilt people into doing what you want.

>>45075969
Alright enjoy shariah law then.

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>>45075988
>The Japanese want to get rid of your POTENT MALE SPERM, Alice!
I'm not going to say not getting SRS makes you faketrans, but caring about your fucking sperm like you want to impregnate a woman with it absolutely is.

>>45076282
baste, this is how women did shit when they couldn't vote and have any political power

>>45076282
I am indeed hopelessly and irredeemably male brained. However, I argue this gives me the presence of mind to see your scheming eunuch position is retarded. You need to be a stealth passoid for that to work, and the majority of us are not. Even so, most chasers are not in positions of power to give us rights. And those that are clearly don't give a shit about us, or all those conservative politicians banging trannies on the side would have done something for us by now. Cuddling up to cis fags in hopes they spare us accomplishes nothing. We already have a microcosm of what I talked about in the diy scene and transbian polycules. Now I am not a transbian polyshit, I myself am with a cism chud. However, I really think the transbians have got the framework for something there. The only reason those end explosively is because they're all fucking. We can do all the stuff they do without the fucking and we'd basically have the infrastructure to put together local enclosed support communities without having to rely on cissies. And yes that includes militias, you need to be able to defend your position physically.

>>45076412
yea but saving ur sperm because u want to be a a mother is trutrans

>>45076467
>fathering a child off of a cis woman
>trutrans
No

>>45076467
>a child from your own sperm makes you its mother

Whoever came up with this retarded meme

>>45076494
>>45076474
It's the truth, if you were a woman your whole child's life you're the mom. The circumstances of their birth isn't the important part and kids don't think about that.

>>45074540
the Muslims are conservative retard they are literally on your side and share your beliefs

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>>45074540
same energy

>>45075419
they suffer from aids because the retardedly believe condomes are bad for religious reasons

>>45076253
That is literally the point of their post, anon. The current right wing is kind of fucking awful to trannies right now, and it doesn't look like it's ever going to *not* be. Like what other option do we have, the capital-L Libertarian party? The guys who haven't had a decent pull since Ron Paul's second campaign?

>>45074540
have right wing retards considered not being homophobic?

>>45075674
>>45075698
former militran here (I admin sepped when trump was elected because I was just there to get my free college not for isreal).

I did a 9 month deployment that's 9 months of mono E vials and pills and I did it DIY the whole supply line thing is a nothing burger. the negative side effect of not having your hrt is a couple months of lethargy and maybe some test symptoms for a bit. it sucks but you aren't really a person just a stinky, over worked drone dawn till dusk suckmachine and then you go home and are fine.

yes HRT is medically necessary but you aren't going to explode because of not having your meds for a bit just like adhd or any number of waivered med conditions in the military.

consider most Americans are fighting OTH at this point being a big strong guy isn't necessary for most military roles which makes hegseths warrior ethos shit so especially pathetic when the modern battlefield is one of autism and neurodivergent tech specialists piloting drones and shit.

look at the ukraine war unironically cod kids have 10 to 1 kill counts on bigger Russian gorillas just using drones and ambush tactics.

killing isn't good btw don't want to get in the morality of wars obv wars are bad I'm not a zogbot or whatever have a good one

t. air force

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>>45076520
>the sheer potential if white fundies buried the hatchet and teamed up with catholics, mormons, muslims, and orthodox jews to bash gays and trannies
let's hope they never figure this out lol

>>45076474
what if u impregnate a pooner?
>>45076494
u could even breast feed it and stuff

>>45076615
wow ur so cool
I wish they had let me into the military

>>45076678
might as well throw in church blacks to that coalition

>>45075843
Oh no, not an extra blood test during your annual physical! Anything but having to monitor health risks in patients too stupid to continue their medication after surgery!!!

>>45076713
>your annual physical
Are you over 60 or something?

>>45076695
or like all blacks.

>>45075843
They check my e levels every year but it never changes and could be done away with

>>45076728
The insurance given to all federal employees makes the assumption that you will have one no matter what your age is.

>>45076779
Well not all of us are glowies, agent.

>>45076737
not atlanta surely?

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>>45076793
and this is in cali

>>45076713
>>45076746
A. Hormone therapy and medical monitoring
Transgender people undergoing hormone therapy may need ongoing prescriptions, laboratory testing, dose adjustments, and follow-up care. Testosterone and estrogen have potential adverse effects, and treatment may require monitoring for issues such as blood pressure changes, abnormal blood counts, or metabolic complications.
Military justification: In a deployment with limited medical facilities, interrupted medication or unavailable monitoring could create a readiness problem.
Important limitation: These requirements are not automatically incompatible with service. Military personnel routinely manage chronic conditions and take long-term medications. The relevant question is whether a particular person's treatment can be maintained safely under the conditions of their assignment.
B. Gender-affirming surgery and recovery
Some people undergo chest surgery, genital surgery, or other procedures. Surgery carries ordinary medical risks, including infection, bleeding, blood clots, wound complications, and the need for postoperative follow-up.
Military justification: Recovery may temporarily prevent a service member from carrying equipment, completing physical training, deploying, or performing their normal duties.
Important limitation: Temporary postoperative unfitness is different from permanent unfitness. The same distinction applies to other elective or medically necessary operations. A person who has recovered successfully may be fully capable of performing their duties.

>>45076834
C. Gender dysphoria and mental health
Gender dysphoria is a clinical diagnosis involving distress associated with incongruence between a person's gender identity and sex characteristics. Some affected people also experience depression, anxiety, or suicidal thoughts.
Military justification: The Pentagon has argued that these conditions and associated medical needs can interfere with psychological readiness, availability for deployment, and performance under extreme stress.
Important limitation: A diagnosis does not establish that every affected individual has impaired functioning. Mental-health risk must be distinguished from actual incapacity, and the presence of depression or anxiety is not unique to transgender personnel. The relevant assessment includes symptom severity, stability, treatment response, and functional impairment.
D. Deployability and continuity of care
This is arguably the most direct operational argument. Some assignments involve extended periods without reliable access to specialist physicians, pharmacies, or laboratory facilities.
Military justification: A service member whose medical needs cannot be supported in a particular theater could require evacuation, replacement, or a change of assignment.
Important limitation: This is a question of individual medical requirements and the capabilities of the deployment environment. It does not, by itself, establish that all transgender personnel are nondeployable.

>>45074540
Idk but the lgbt have chosen a side and theyre going to suffer for it. Especially in Europe, where the entirety of western Europe is one or two election cycles away from going far right. Trans could have tried to make inroads with reform but they love immigrants too much so now they're fucked. Even labour despises them and views them as dead weight. I have the absolute looney greens left, who will never get elected. Really they deserve what's coming to them for being traitors.

>>45076615
>former militran here
the issue isn't trannies serving. the issue is trannies wanting special accommodations to declare themselves the opposite gender in order to use women's spaces.

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>>45076843
>Especially in Europe, where the entirety of western Europe is one or two election cycles away from going far right.
I'm sure that doesn't have to do with entire billionaire class being far right?

>>45076843
>inroads with reform
>inroads with a political party in the UK where every single one hates trannies left or right

>>45076869
Based billionaires finally doing something right for once!

>>45076858
If you're a true conservative you shouldn't want 'women's spaces' in the military in the first place.

is Le Pen really gonna make transgenderism illegal when she wins in 2027?

>>45076884
>If you're a true conservative you shouldn't want 'women's spaces' in the military in the first place.

Pete Hegseth has already tightened military requirements for women so it is sex-neutral military.

Personally i'm all in favor of women and men showering like Star Ship troopers

nobody responded so I will repost

my issue with right wing transgender people is you think they are gonna turn conservatism trans, when in reality it's conservatism turn trans conservative.

Example:
>I'm a right wing transgender person
>I am anti-immigrant
>anti-DEI
>anti-abortion
>anti-Islam and pro-Judeo-Christian values
>pro-Zionism
>pro-free markets
>etc. etc.

>>45076874
The first trans mep was a member of ukip. Before the uk became terf island, the non Torie right was open to it.

>>45076919
>The first trans mep was a member of ukip.
that was before they were mainstream and just a quack party.

>>45076919
Doesn't really matter at this point, anon, the entire island is ideologically locked down.

>>45076918
>I am anti-immigrant
>anti-DEI
>anti-Islam
What's wrong with these?
>pro-free markets
This is a naive position but it's not like it's some big sin, and it's at least better than being communist.

>>45076935
>the entire island is ideologically locked down.
if all it takes is one Supreme Court ruling to do that, you got bigger problems.

>>45074540
because soviet russia legalized gay marriage in the 1920s and thus the political ideology of communism, however flawed in execution, is seen as pro-lgbt rights

>>45076946
Terf ideology arose organically out of feminism in the UK.

>>45076974
>Terf ideology arose organically out of feminism in the UK.
hyper focusing on terfism instead of focusing on Tory/UKIP/Reform

feminism is literally what breeded gay rights and than trans rights idiot.

>>45076986
So what? Time moves on you idiot. Terf is the natural end stage of feminism. In the same way german idealism birthed liberalism and eventually fascism. Do you even know who Rowling is or what she believes? The arguments used against Trans people are based in feminist thought.

>>45077040
>Do you even know who Rowling is or what she believes? The arguments used against Trans people are based in feminist thought.
and? it's like 1% of feminist thought. It's overwhelming pro-trans. Just like women are overwhelming more support of trans rights than men.

The hyper focus on Rowling when in reality it's cis male transpobes behind her is telling about your views towards women and feminism.

Feminism = the view that men and women should be equal. That's all it means.

>>45075258
all the important people want a war Iran because of the possibility of overthrowing the Islamic Republic
>feds want it because Iran is a threat to US interests
>elite businessmen want it because an Iran puppet state means more potential business
>jews and zionists want it because Iran is a threat to Israel
>oil arabs want it because Iran pisses off all of the states in the gulf
>the banking cartels would no doubt benefit from it

The average american is pissed off over gas prices but the actual people who run this shit are all in favor of it
The democrats absolutely would've supported a war with Iran had it been started by when of their own

>>45077087
idk why we don't just bomb them until they capitulate its like such a 2 bit country

>>45077073
Yeah, nona, everyone is equal but some people are more equal than others.

>>45074540
Some of y'all have no political awareness whatsoever. This shouldn't even be a question in your mind it's so bloody obvious.

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>>45077073
>Feminism = the view that men and women should be equal. That's all it means.
That's what the outward messaging says, yes. But in practice men have been the minority of college admissions for 45 years, young women now outearn young men, and stuff like picrel happens yet feminists are either silent or advocate for it. Feminism for 100 years has been a power strategy for cis upper class women; poor and foreign cis women outside of a few tokens are absolutely excluded, let alone trans women.

>>45074540
Anyways
There is a growing number of LGBT people across the world who are gravitating towards right-wing politics since the unlimited import of barbaric third worlders hasn't done them anything
There is a growing amount of personalities online who support gay rights but are openly racist or islamophobic
I think people are starting realize that not all cultures are compatible, and letting in people who hate your nation's values is a terrible idea

>>45077111
Iran has working AA and drones, which completely changes how war is done. They can retaliate against planes and standoff munitions, which those being far more expensive anyway to the point where you can't just spam them in a prolonged way. Beyond that, because they have modern missiles and drones of their own, they can strike back against US bases and ships, as well as the infrastructure in the region supporting the US, making it very difficult to actually concentrate force close enough to them to actually make an effective effort. The US is also very overstretched imperially limiting how much they can invest in the war, the war is incredibly unpopular at home (which means deep unrest if a mobilization or the like occurred,) and Iran is a very geographically blessed nation for defense making destroying their defensive infrastructure from the air exceedingly difficult and necessitating ground invasions (which brings us back to the unpopularity and difficulties with concentrating force in the region.)

>>45077148
I have sympathy for muslims but I don't fully trust most of them (unless obviously westernized). zionists, meanwhile, i have no sympathy for whatsoever and would never trust lol

>>45077148
>There is a growing number of LGBT people across the world who are gravitating towards right-wing politics since the unlimited import of barbaric third worlders hasn't done them anything
Idiots who fall for our ruling class's scapegoats even when they themselves are a scapegoat.

>>45077073
Understand that the UK is pretty much the only place that second wave feminism straight up won the fight and made significant progress, much more than the third wave did.

Second Wave Feminism defines womanhood, at least in part, on victimhood and the experiences of one's sex, specifically one's sex. There is no intersectionality. There is no real concept of 'gender', to the point that this is the mindset that spawned he/him lesbians; no gender means no trannies exist except as body dysmorphia, and body dysmorphia is unable to justify a change to an immutable characteristic.

Maybe they don't use the arguments properly, but the predominant form of feminism in the UK is in fact actively and explicitly anti-trans. You can twist it to not be that, especially if you incorporate newer forms of feminism into it, but part of the reason all the transphobe hags in the UK are like 40+ is because that's still the primary kind of feminism they grew up with. And of course those are the fuckers with all the power.

>>45077073
They don't let you in a girl's bathroom because they view you as a rapey male you idiot.

>>45077220
Person who thinks the "ruling class" in Europe is anti immigration.

>>45077148
>calls themselves right wing
>Freelance abortionist

>>45077251
>They don't let you in a girl's bathroom because they view you as a rapey male you idiot.

>they
polling shows women are more likely to support trans women in women's bathrooms than men.

>>45077226
>Understand that the UK is pretty much the only place that second wave feminism straight up won the fight and made significant progress, much more than the third wave did.
No the UK has a monarchy actually and this absolutist worldview is bullshit.

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That's a really good question considering libertarian parties are the only ones principled enough to support someone's choice to troon out even if they don't like trannies on the whole.
>>45075905
Unfathomably based and freedompilled

>>45077220
>Idiots who fall for our ruling class's scapegoats even when they themselves are a scapegoat.
Please explain how being scapegoated means I need to show solidarity with bigoted foreigners who are imported to suppress my wages?

>>45077226
transsexuals were a thing before any philosopher came up with the idea of gender/sex distinction

>>45077285
Baffling post. Don't even know how to respond.

>>45077303
Sure, but when we were in ancient scythia people decided you were afflicted with Aphrodite's Curse and that meant you were in touch with the spirits to let you see the future or some shit, or you weren't open about it and demanding social acceptance.
Transexualism, whatever causes it, is very real. It's just not compatible as anything other than a mental defect with 2nd Wave Feminism.

>>45077303
Speaking of ancient pre-philosopher trannies and the UK, does anyone else thing it's really funny that one of the most prominent British right-wing grifters styles himself after Sargon of Akkad when it was literally Sargon's daughter who memorialized the fact that Inanna's temple had highly respected trans priestesses and praised her for it?

>>45077302
>who are imported to suppress my wages?

You people have such a simple understanding of the world. The West has destabilized their homes through war and forced subjugation. Our ruling class is taking advantage of people seeking asylum. They're not importing them to purposefully reduce your wages, you stupid fucks.

If you want any progress, point your ire at the ruling class, not other members of the proletariat.

>>45077330
sure, but I mean when we were in ancient weimar germany nobody had a problem with understanding what being trans was, despite the fact that the sex/gender distinction wasn't thought up for a few decades later
there was social acceptance and understanding of transsexuals long before any gender theory was done
>>45077332
that is kinda funny

>>45077335
>They're not importing them to purposefully reduce your wages, you stupid fucks.
Yes they are. Even Marx himself touches on this, a worker's bargaining power is destroyed by a surplus of labor. The more people competing for a position, the more leeway the employer has to exploit them.
>B-but the elites destroyed their homes and...
Yes? They ruin their home countries them import them to exploit them here and destroy your ability to oppose them. These are not mutually exclusive actions, nor does it morally obligate you to bring them here.

>>45077335
I know you idiots are going to jump on the term "asylum," so I'm going to preemptively change that to people following resources. People from the Global South who live in regions that have been destabilized by the Global North will, inevitably, follow the resources that have been taken from their homeland.

>>45077360
... what DID people understand being trans as in Weimar Germany?
I get it, the books were burnt, but that hasn't stopped historians before.

>>45077375
Someone's paying for the boats that transport them.

>>45077366
>does it morally obligate you to bring them here.
Them coming is an inevitably. People will go where the resources are. Blame the ruling class. Your ire is directed at the wrong people.

how bad will it be to be trans once Le Pen wins?

>>45077390
I do blame them.
In part, I blame them for not stopping the thirdies.

>>45077390
Again, someone is paying for their transport. Someone is allowing them to cross the border. Someone is funding housing and social support for them. Someone is giving businesses tax breaks to employ them. None of this is natural or just a casual movement of people, it is being facilitated.
>The wrong people
Incorrect. You can blame more than one person at once. You can blame the wealthy using them as slave labor and doing regime destabilization, and you can blame THEM as individual free-willed humans for invading our countries, being politically and socially regressive, and ruining the labor and housing market. Everyone is to blame.

>>45077335
>The West has destabilized their homes through war and forced subjugation
Finland, Ireland, Switzerland, most of central and eastern europe have no colonial history but should be punished? Some balkan pleb who was occupied by turks for 400 years should answer for the scramble for africa? This is just anti-european revanchism dressed up as economic theory.

>>45077411
>Everyone is to blame.
you are also to blame. your tax dollars go to funding bombing them.

>>45077377
people in general? I'm not sure
but hirschfeld saw trans people as people who simply had a sense of self that differed from their bodies, and that medical transition could help them live according to their nature. He also distinguished between fetishistic transvestites and transsexuals, and recognized that being trans wasn't connected to sexual orientation.

>>45077421
>We should change society in some ways
>Yet you participate in society. Curious.

>>45075161
>If any right-leaning party wants to court the LGB community, they have a looooong way to go. If any wants to court the trans community, they are going to need to undo literal decades of bad blood. And then they will need to be on par with, at minimum, some of the worst Democrats.
They would have to get up to Alex Jones levels of acceptance. Which yeah amounts to, "makes my pp hard = girl". Not a very high bar but so far above the average republican it is laughable to even discuss as a mainstream opinion.

>>45077421
Alice Mann's taxes taken at gunpoint and the people with the gun are a little disparate in culpability

>>45077428
>he distinguished from fetishistic trannies and regular trannies
We can't even do that today.

>>45077335
Im genuinely curious can you name a single member of the European "ruling class" that is anti immigration? Hard mode not some random businessman who has never held public office.

>>45077414
Western imperialism and economic exploitation have destabilized entire regions, and it's inevitable that people fleeing those conditions will migrate toward more stable ones. And acting as though Northern Europe hasn't benefited enormously from centuries of colonialism and the global economic order it established is bullshit. Colonialism's consequences don't stop at the borders of the countries directly responsible.

>>45077335
>They're not importing them to purposefully reduce your wages, you stupid fucks
right it just so happens that our generous capitalist rulers happen to be importing endless cheap labor
the fact that it suppresses wages and inflates housing costs is totally accidental, our ruling capitalists are actually just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts

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>>45077421
>someone used the money stolen from you to buy guns and kill someone
Marxists are so retarded. As for the immigration (and outsourcing) debacle, it could be cleanly solved by dissolving the business regulations inflating the cost of production in the first world and eliminating state borders, allowing people to invite other people to their property as they please.

>>45077459
It doesn't matter. The ruling class is only pro-immigration so that they can take advantage of their labor. You people are attacking victims that you should be standing in solidarity with. You're falling for right-wing scapegoats that do nothing more than benefit the very ruling class you are claiming to be against.

>>45077466
>will migrate toward more stable ones
With whose assistance?

This is your brain on ideology

>>45077466
All of this blame game bullshit kind of detracts from the ultimate point:
Is the influx of these people making life here better? If it isn't, is it not also our inevitable desire to try and stop these things? If you get your way, and The Revolution finally comes, and we throw off the shackles of all the owner class... is that going to change the desire to not have white-minority cities?

>>45077484
>The ruling class is only pro-immigration so that they can take advantage of their labor
agreed, so let's replace them with people who don't want to import millions of foreigners to be taken advantage of

>>45077473
>solved by dissolving the business regulations
Oh boy orphans get to do maintenance on machinery while its actively running for 12 hours a day again.

>>45077470
Read my comments again. You're completely missing the point.

God, you fuckers are going to absolutely lose it once the climate crisis starts displacing populations en mass. The West reaps what it sows.

>>45077506
>Let's place far-right parties into power who will do nothing more than further erode our rights and social programs in service of their own greed.
OK

>>45077514
no, you're missing the point
everyone knows that the ruling class are at fault. Your solution is to change the ruling class, but continue the problem they've been causing. It's completely incoherent
and when someone says "we should both punish the oppressive capitalists and also solve the problem they created", you take that as blaming the foreigners
>The West reaps what it sows.
tankie

>>45077511
This may come as a shock to you but child labor was already on its way out before it was made illegal. We had to go through that period of economic growth to get to a point where we could afford to not send kids to work.

>>45077530
you're right, the current right wing parties in europe have failed to solve the problem. Right wing figures in britain, france, italy, are too connected to the capitalists, and will merely signal towards the problem but ultimately continue the practice of mass importing cheap labor.
So what can we do? The right wing options pretend to want to solve the problem but don't, and the left wing options openly want to make it worse. It's a very bad situation

>>45077484
>should be standing in solidarity with
Yeah, like when they campaign to bring more of them here, or to take my money and give to their community, or to give businesses more tax breaks for employing them instead of me, or when they campaign to ban LGBT people/symbols/policies, I should totally support them because, um, uh....

>>45077484
Im glad we're in agreement that foreigners are the stormtroopers of the ruling class.

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Why would I want to associate myself with people who politically hate me and at best, tolerate me as long as I get to be the butt of every joke and used as a political football to have my rights taken away? Just look at Log Cabin Republicans over the last twenty years. They tried absolutely everything they could to be accepted by the right and they're barely an organization anymore.

>>45077552
Still goes on in slave mines in Africa, the only reason it went down in popularity is because workers were raising a fuss, and it only stopped when banned. When they can get away with it, they keep doing it. Your argument is the equivalent of saying to do away with laws banning slavery because slavery was on its way out due to early farm machinery. Sure, but we shouldn't leave open the chance for ANY business to exploit child labor or slaves when it would benefit them to do so.

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>>45077530
The far right are also pro-immigration tho. They SAY they aren't, but then their billionaire mates ensure you get more working and uni visas for Indians because it suits their needs.

There is no version of power in our overton window that stops immigration. Slows it, maybe, but not stops it, and certainly wouldn't reverse it like would be ideal. We ARE going to be replaced, and nobody and nothing is either willing or able to stop it.

It must be what it felt like to be a Roman at the end of the Empire. Knowing the Goths are going to replace you, and that there's fuck all you can really do about it.

>>45077539
>tankie
Real Sovietboos at least support strong borders.

>>45077586
Difference is that the Germanics were capable of civilization and at least making an attempt at upholding the ideals of Rome. The people incoming right now? Decidedly are not.

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>>45077514
>The West reaps what it sows.
Yep, anti-european revanchism dressed up as economic theory. I hope you're poc otherwise this is embarrassing.

>>45075674
it makes no fucking sense because people deployed in frontline combat positions are the smallest facet of the military

>>45077626
yes but in theory muh readiness and theoretically everyone could be sent to the frontlines.

>>45076858
there's literally nothing wrong with this though

>>45077614
The Germanics (and to use a later analogy, the Vikings) were only able to civilise with the introduction of Christianity.
So, maybe the solution is to convert them? Like, the Sikhs are a cut above your usual jeet fare.

>>45077583
Africa still uses child labor because the alternative for them is starvation. They cannot afford to do otherwise yet. Again, it did not stop when it was banned, we got to a point where we could afford to go without it first.
And again, who do child labor laws truly benefit? Any youth who want to work are now barred out of a job entirely. I'm sure you really helped these kids out Nona!
Slavery is wrong because it infringes on someone's self ownership, children entering the workforce is voluntary exchange.
(Final point) Adults are on average going to have more developed skillsets and be better fits for the jobs you think children will take. Any cases of children working these jobs in a developed world will be exceedingly rare.

>>45077654
>Christard shill
Gross. Keep beating it to that disgusting anti-trans backwards religion.
>Convert them
Most of them are already Christian. Africa has the highest growth of Christianity in the world.

>>45077040
>who Rowling is or what she believes
She’s good friends with pedophiles and wifebeaters. She believes in nothing but her own superiority and eternal victimhood

>>45077658
>because
The companies and regimes that own them benefit by doing so instead of investing in replacements. It's cheaper, so better profit margins.
>No you don't get it the children should be allowed to get crushed in gears to make money it's their god given right
Goddamn I hate libertarians.

>>45077290
Libertariantards like milei promised to fix argies economy and instead joined some pointless culture wars while people starve on the streets

>>45077665
I didn't say convert them TO Christianity. Hell, I referenced trying to champion Sikhism for the Indians.
But like, sure, convert them to like... I dunno, Angalicanism? Make everyone Quakers? Can we make them all Western Buddhists? Cathari?

>>45077698
Religion doesn't make the man, the man makes the religion. You can see this in the various different denominations of Christard, all of those are emergent from the cultures and the peoples who championed them. The Germanics adopted Roman values because they were capable of, and vibed with, Roman Christard values, and modified them where they weren't to the values of the Middle Ages.

>>45077539
The fact that you think that stopping immigration would solve any of our problems is hilarious to me. You idiots are going to make the same mistakes as the Germans did in the '30s.

>>45077720
Yeah dude like, don't they know that like there are SECRETLY infinite jobs and houses and that THE MAN just doesn't want you to know about them? Like, reducing the number of people doesn't increase the bargaining power of the worker man, despite every labor theorist confirming that it does.

>>45077720
>the Germans in the 30's
to be fair, their solution for zionism and other forms of Israeli influence is looking more and more appealing the more you find out how much of it is the cause of our current problems.

Unfortunately, Israel stole nukes and killed an American president to do so. They'll pull out a Samson type plan if they think they've got a losing hand.

>>45077720
>You idiots are going to make the same mistakes as the Germans did in the '30s.
the difference is that the jews and gays and so on were actually normal people who contributed to society, and were chosen as a scapegoat due to preexisting bigotry as a means of facilitating the rise of the nazis
third world immigration on the other hand occurs at a massive financial cost to the state, and only serves to benefit capitalists and landlords. Immigration is sold to the people as essentially a moral good, and socially enforced through emotional arguments, as it has no objective benefit for any citizen of the country other than the capitalists and landlords.

>>45077696
>Libertariantards like milei
He's not a libertarian btw. You can't be libertarian and be elected to government.

>ancap

>>45077758
>the difference is that the jews and gays and so on were actually normal people who contributed to society, and were chosen as a scapegoat due to preexisting bigotry as a means of facilitating the rise of the nazis
Nazis also demonized immigrants.