FTMs aren't real because men in women's bodies wouldn't get gender dysphoria, they'd live out their AGP fantasies. They'd become lesbians, they'd get gangbanged, they'd turn to sex work. Even supposed would-be pooners post in repressor spaces saying “why would I ever become an undesirable 3/10 manlet when I just can get pussy now as a woman?” The only reason women transition is to escape sexualization and the patriarchy, and when they can't pass as men or pass and lose their divine afability they detrans. Only MTFs experience true gender dysphoria and that's why detransition for them is so low by comparison.
>>45106983imagine being a tranny and spending all your time with this incomprehensible schizo babble in your head. just really take inventory of the situation there.
>>45106983what if90% of men in women's bodies are exactly like you saylike AGP cis womenyou don't even notice them bc they're just normie bisluts
I thought the 93% of cis women have AGP thing was a psyop but it might actually be true now that I'm thinking about it.
>>45107005Unironically I think this is true and needs to be studied
>>45107015>I’ve worked hard to become the most goonable version of myself>I’m the only woman I’ll ever have sex withskill issue
>>45107015based
>>45106994fpbp
>>45107022>>45107026The only difference between cissy AGP and tranny AGP is that AGP trannies are fundamentally attracted to a fantasy and not a reality, which causes sexual frustration. While for a cis woman, her own body would quickly become something mundane, for a trans woman, a feminine form is something that can be viciously chased in fantasies. For trans women, AGP is an urge that can never truly be satisfied and it makes them come up with more and more crazy shit to try to satisfy it.Testosterone probably plays a part here as well, since it makes your sexuality more object-oriented and category-specific, while female sexuality is by default more attracted to relations, scenarios and contexts. That's why AGP troons fixate on speficic garments or body parts the way they do, and why it feels so "malebrained".>but HSTSHussies have gay male sexuality. Straight trans women don't have any prospensity to get aroused by lesbian porn, while straight cis women do, because they are fundamentally bi. What makes them straight is not a hard-coded category distinction like in men, but social expectations and a preference to be a bottom, just like in case of AGP trannies. Fetishistic or paraphilic manifestations of AGP wouldn't exist in a perfect world where all troons get to transition early and aren't shamed for wearing girls clothes.
>>45107115That kinda falls apart when you consider there are trans lesbians and bisexuals that take estrogen and not immediately detrans the second their libido drops and sexual desires start to align closer to that of a cis woman.
>>45106983>AGP speaks
What does physical gender dysphoria have to do with sexuality anyway
>>45107137Fembrained take
>>45107133not at allyour argument requires a false premise that AGP is the only reason an AGP trans woman may have to transition. And on another false premise that one's already learned arousal patterns are guaranteed to be easily switched off by administering cross-sex hormones. also, only a few of trans women will ever have actual cispassing bodies. There will always be an unattainable ideal of femininity a tranny can chase in her fantasieswhat you're describing is also a thing. Every other day I see a thread about losing the desire to transition after HRT made AGP go away.
>>45107193So conflating transition with how you want to have sex is??I transitioned because I have a medical condition that causes my secondary sex characteristics to give me extreme distress. Seems like you can't separate transness from AGP/AAP
>>45106983>They'd become lesbians, they'd get gangbanged, they'd turn to sex work.This sounds like you're listing your own AGP fantasies that's not true gender dysphoria you're just a perverted man trapped in a perverted man's body
>>45106983as a cis guy I think this is true
>>45107274Is your gock hard while you're making this post?
>>45107267If I was a woman I would become a lesbian, but I wouldn't want to get gangbanged or turn to sex work. I still have AGP though and would definitely get an anime nosebleed if I suddenly woke up with a female body.
>>45107333>but I wouldn't want to get gangbanged or turn to sex work.But that's what men who are trapped women's bodies want so if you're a man you should want it too
>>45107348I don't want that though. That sounds like a nightmare to me desu.
>>45107365Then it would also sound like a nightmare to men trapped in women's bodies
>>45107373I don't even know what point you're arguing for. Are you saying trans men wouldn't want to get gangbanged?
>>45107382What trans men I thought they weren't real?
>>45107387You think I'm a different anon. I'm not them kek.
>>45107267I may be a perverted man but I do have gender dysphoria and it's making me sad and want to die everyday.
>>45107394That's not my mistake you replied to my post where I talked about "your own AGP fantasies"
>>45107399Are you OP then?
>>45107413Because I have AGP and just wanted to chime in>>45107417No
>>45106983>The only reason women transition is to escape sexualization and the patriarchy>don't like being sexualized>becomes category that overwhelmingly appears in porn over other forms of mediaThe logic never made sense
>>45107441>NoThen why bother were you going to tell me "but I'm not OP kek" later on too?
>>45107451It's not my fault OP didn't respond to you.
>>45107468I don't mind that part, but if you don't agree with OP don't pretend to and then act confused
>>45106983Not everyone is obsessed with women. By your logic gaydens are valid.
>>45106983I think that the whole framing of " man in womans body" or vice versa is whats confusing you. the truth is that transgenders are people who for whichever reason from an infinite random strange list of reasons, whichever justification from an infinite random strange list of justifications, wish to be the opposite sex to the one they were born as. thats all it is! theres no actual way to say if they are "men in womens bodies" or "women in mens bodies" because brains dont really have gender. theres no way to say what is the reason or justifications that drive each one of them and there is certainly no way to say that its all one justification. you cannot deduce the reason for an act from the act itself. .transitioning is an act, justfied and reasoned by one of those justifications and reasons from the infinite list. thats it!
>>45107473I thought I agreed with OP at first but then I gave it some thought and remembered what my actual opinion is. Sorry, that's just a behavior pattern of mine I'm not proud of.
>>45106983I didn't intend to genuienly engage with this post but I will because I'm bored as hellMost men hate being perceived as feminine and go to extreme lengths to not do anything that looks ''gay''. If they became women for a short period of time, yes, this is probably what would happen (except for the gangbangs), but they wouldn't like that as a full time thing. A man still wants to be masculine and take the lead when he's with a woman.
>>45107554They only do that because the social consequences are far too great not to. Actually nevermind, biology rules over everything and I absolutely despise that fact.
>>45107022Yep, theyre all out fuckin and suckin all the while thinking "hehehe this guys fuckin a dude hes gay"
>>45107005I know one of these it’s literally like talking to the most degenerate transbian you’d ever meet, meta attraction included too
>>45107005Normal female sexuality is at least slightly agp. Women don't lust over dicks but fantasize about themselves wearing sexy lingerie and having guys lusting over them.
>>45107839>Women don't lust over dicks but fantasize about themselves wearing sexy lingerie and having guys lusting over themnta. Where the hell do you get this bizarre idea from?
>>45107751God i wish I were a woman so I can think this
>>45108985They probably got it from movies and shit
least obvious sissybro bait
gay anime sissy thread number 357238572345934
>>45106983I do find it funny how I can still see the little unrealized moid in the heart of this type of ftm. I think they would be genuinely happy if they tired a bit harder and put in a bit more effort, though I think if you're physically disabled and a detrans ftm, you deserve a free pass as man.-troon
>>45107015trutrans
>>45107022AGP isn't really a thing in cis hetero women though. they literally lack the hormonal drive to goon out. It's why so many are these weird asexual drones.In a fucked up way I can't blame cis lesbians for wanting to be left alone because they're pincer'd by trannies and cis asexual failed straight 30yo women dogpiling their groups
