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15 year old wants to DIY, reddithons say no

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1xdamun/my_mum_wont_let_me_start_diy_because_she_could/
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extremely rare reddithon w
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ITT: child grooming
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>>45111273
Dumb kid never heard the phrase "better to ask for forgiveness than permission"
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>>45111294
Sorry but the British government has said no, we have no choice.

What do you want? Someone to thinkfor themselves? But what about the rules?!
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>>45111294
Well yeah they're a kid there's a lot they haven't heard
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>>45111286
>t. chud against statistical data and research
troglodyte
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>>45111306
You're right, I forgot bri'ish people have a biological imperative to do as their told
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>>45111273
these subr*ddits are the modern day susansplace
everyone should be allowed to access DIY, literally the only disqualifier should be a lack of education on the effects and being before the age of puberty
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>>45111294
when the entire world and the people presented to you as subject matter experts give you a narrative, it can be hard to challenge
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>>45111273
holy shit reading that thread makes my blood boil; some hons really do reproduce asexually
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>>45111273
i got my diy hrt off of reddit when i was 14
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>>45111349
based
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>>45111294
The idea to even ask your parents about diy hrt is absurd. Of course they're gonna say no. To cisoids, it's akin to doing hard drugs. This is something you do for yourself, on your own, consequences be damned, or you don't do at all. It shouldn't be like that, but it is unfortunately
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>>45111370
eh, i was also dumb enough to ask, it cost me a good half year of more moidification. insanely stupid but not uncommon
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>>45111391
Do kids not do drugs anymore? We used to do all sorts of substances without ever telling our parents. If diy hrt had been around back then, I wouldn't have thought twice about it
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>>45111408
they're usually (at least in my case) psyopped into somehow not being able to see that cissoids see HRT exclusively as evil antinatural substance abuse
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>>45111273
gather the courage to step up and handle it yourself or dont, simple as
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>>45111273
holy fuck lmao
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>>45111536
fucking grim
we need ttd yesterday
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>>45111273
i support cucking young trannies from hrt because i was cucked too
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>I might lose my job
only if you TELL THEM. how can brits be so preemptively and suicidally obedient
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>>45111294
it is never the kids fault.
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>>45111767
It's also completely ignorant of what's at stake. 15 is mid puberty, one year can be the difference between passoid and unsalvageable hon. She's weighing her potentially maybe losing a job higher than the risk of making her daughter unemployable for life
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>>45111273
>good KEKED little state drones MUST go to MR DOCTOR first... little KEKY has to ask BIG DOCTOR MAN to get on WAITING LIST, compromising all odds MUMMY wont be SCRUTINISED by APARTHEID STATE
>SILLY KEKY
god forbid anyone in this shithole has a modicum of common sense, it's only by design i suppose
she fucked herself, locked in till 18 assuming hrt is still available then (but more likely 25 considering sex matters vice grip on burnhams balls)
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>>45111345
Same, i felt rage. Imagine telling a 15 year old to just wait until they are 18 because muh rules
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In the United Kingdom, by Order of his Majesty The King, every youngshit must consult the local Land Baron on the first Thursday of the lunar month to ask for permission to consume Cr*ss S*ex H*rmones

As it stands, the local Sire has approved precisely 0 youngshits, but the rules are the rules. Britain Soldiers On.
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>>45111840
this is not true, you pretty much pass or you don't regardless of puberty
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>>45112273
If thats true, then theres no problem starting earlier, just to be on the safe side
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>>45112273
completely delusional cope
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>>45112264
one must be personally inspected by his majesty to ensure everything remains in working order prior to hormone replacement therapy
it's only common sense
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>>45112279
trannies should be kept away from grooming kids
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>>45111370
distrusting the system doesn't come naturally
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>>45112190
they actually do that and often
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>>45112190
>>45112704
They're telling her to wait 9 more months until 16, not until 18
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>>45112710
>just a few more months
you can't be that dense, you know where this is going
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>>45112561
it should come naturally expect your parents to be against the idea of their kid injecting something they bought online
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>>45111840
that's a very good point
if anyone here has a reddit account I will forgive you if you dm that to them
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>might lose me guvment job
Howling. So many of these groveling government peasants exist in the uk
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>>45112749
you're drilled from birth to to trust the system and adhere to hierarchy, it's something to be learnt by trial/error
children are implicitly wired to openly trust and look toward authority figures for guidance, and they're not exactly known for lateral thinking
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>>45112490
Oh god, Primus Noctre!
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>>45112710
Its just a few more months. Ok, that didnt work out but its just a few more years

Ok that didn't work out but you're 100% valid now
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>>45112857
Yeah but whats more important, following the rules of the British govment, or being happy and passing.

Imagine if any of us got hrt at 15, imagine how different our lives would be, being able to slot into cis society. imagine how upset the terfs would be if we all passed and lived happy lives
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>>45113339
You believe that taking hrt at 15, makes a tranny able to blend in?
You won't look like a hon, but you won't look cis either. You need more than hrt for it.
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>>45111273
breaking news: redditcucks would literally rather throw away their life than take agency over it. who would’ve guessed
imagine if these freaks were alive in 1960 with harry benjamin standards “i know 2 years rle while ur body masculinizes is tough just hang on hon drs know best!!”
u can just tell they all onset at like 25 and never went thru it themselves then go onto larp about how “hard” the “dysphoric puberty” that they never lived was.
crossies r in top 3 biggest enemies of trannies
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>>45113312
with dignity and respect, as god ordained
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>>45111306
> What do you want? Someone to thinkfor themselves?
Do I need a license for that? Bloody mad innit
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>>45113470
BLOODY ELL MATE, BETTER GET ME ROYAL CREST BRANDED HRHHRT FOR ME BIOLOGICAL MALE THAT IDENTIFIES AS A WOMAN SON
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>>45111536
>More then enough money for 1 yr on hrt
>Local he/him trying to force her to hon it up
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>>45112870
yeah but they're supposed to grow out of that and become more at odds with their parents when they become teenagers
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>>45113606
might be bias on my part but i think most kids that come to realize they're trans are the ones that have enough cognitive and emotional space to think so come puberty, who are the ones from "middle class" (which is a wide band) families without much tribulation and interpersonal conflict in life
so the kind that'll be predisposed to that line of sheltered thinking
idk if that's different now with the internet and modern social media, the iphone came out after i left school so
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>>45113690
yeah that describes me fairly well, I even went through a period where I trusted the system to not make me wait years (thankfully short but still, kill me) but I knew pretty damn loud and clear that letting my parents find out about diy was the dumbest idea imaginable. idk I may be biased in my assessment cause most of the trannies I know myself included only caught on around the end of high school. single sex schools need to be exterminated as a concept
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>>45113369
It cant fucking hurt
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>>45113471
Im actually applying for my gender licence...
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>>45113492
But everyones valid, except the 15 year old taking dangerous cross sex hrt without the doctors approval
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>>45113690
As a kid that grew up around total chaos and conflict, theres a lot of truth to your post.

I wish i acted when i was 14
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>>45113794
it's something I lived myself so I'm kinda familiar with it, ik I didn't go into detail but I'm glad others can relate in their own sense
I put a lot of trust in institutions and processes as well and it really bit me back, I have a lot of trust issues now which cause me to take on a lot of stress trying to take over and manage every facet of my health
>single sex schools need to be exterminated as a concept
i don't have perspective but i imagine it's bad, growing up as a kid everything was homophobic (which included transphobia adjacently), faggot was the most popular insult and being seen as effeminate as a boy/man was grounds for social execution and familiar ostracisation
cant imagine what it'd be like in a boys only school
the whole thing is why i hate the fact the UK has a new section 28 - lack of education as a kid (coupled w/homophobia) ruined my perspectives and access to resources delayed my transition until i was 21
>>45113830
it's sad that chaos and conflict and learning to manage such seems to be the only thing that develops introspection and wisdom
but also makes it hard or impossible to kinda move forward and execute on said wisdom due to the mental scarring
>I wish i acted when i was 14
same, i think it's easier to move on and not dwell on it if you pass
like in all senses it's easier to brace negativity if you've got decent self esteem
im lucky i mostly pass after FFS though im still damaged in so many other ways
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>>45113912
Section 28 destroyed my life too.

Cant overstate how much i hate England

:(
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>>45113912
>trying to take over and manage every facet of my health
god same every little problem terrifies me now that I've experienced firsthand that professionals can't be relied on. like having suicidal thoughts but I can't tell anyone because of the threat of being locked up and losing access to hrt which would definitely kill me
>i don't have perspective but i imagine it's bad, growing up as a kid everything was homophobic (which included transphobia adjacently), faggot was the most popular insult and being seen as effeminate as a boy/man was grounds for social execution and familiar ostracisation, cant imagine what it'd be like in a boys only school
I was bullied a bit for being faggy but the real problem was not being exposed to girls enough to go hey shit wait I want to be one until I'd already started getting fucked hard by puberty
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>>45111273
>mother makes vague allusion to child damaging her social standing by transitioning
>yeah dont damage your mothers social standing, repress for her
gynephiles are vermin
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>>45111273
>cor, that's not legal though, innit? what would his majesty think?
a nation of people who aspire to be nothing more than peasants under the boots of their betters. nuke the whole fucking continent atp
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>>45115522
Its illegal to be happy, i better not see any smiling
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>>45111349
this board taught me how to get it when i was 14, 11 years ago
thank god im not a r*dditor id be ded
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>>45113794
>single sex schools need to be exterminated as a concept
At least 30% of children of either sex objectively benefit from single sex education. Yeah, let's destroy that for the benefit of .3% at best.
You people are insane.
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>>45111818
but it IS the kid who suffers :(
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>>45116618
source: my crusty asshole caked in blood and shit
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>>45116548
unironically this
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as a neverpasser it makes me happy when people are prevented from being youngshits
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>>45116738
kys
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>>45114074
solidarity
mindfuck of a country
>>45114116
>having suicidal thoughts but I can't tell anyone because of the threat of being locked up and losing access to hrt which would definitely kill me
its that bad where you live? here you can straight up tell drs "im killing myself tomorrow" and get told "sorry to hear that" in response xd
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>>45116618
yeah kids definitely benefit from growing up seeing the other sex as offputting or objectified aliens that won't stunt their social development at all
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>>45116767
tbhon I'm not sure and I'm not finding out
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>>45116745
you first
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>>45116769
>social development
HONey, this isn't r*ddit.
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>>45116803
care to extrapolate?
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>>45116618
>I wish there were no girls at my school
contrarian or loser, call it
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>>45116773
yea fair, less is more
godspeed
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We failed
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>>45116958
can't one of you just tell her to do it anyway
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>>45116958
yea i saw that just now, wtaf
i dont trust the can wont be kicked down the road, do we even have private providers for 16-18 yr olds anymore?
>>45116970
im sure plenty of people messaged her resources, but in the end it's up to her to act on it
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>>45111273
>... on top of the 4 years Ive already been out
When I was 11 years old I didn't even really know or care what gender was, what the fuck do you mean there's kids this age claiming to be trans
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>>45116958
fuck reddit hons. so much damage happens in just a few months at that stage of puberty. I hope she ends up fine anyway, and doesn't get staggered even more
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>>45116984
hons preventing youngshits is based
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>>45116958
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>>45116958
>transfem
good, xe should be gatekept harder
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>>45117024
Not her fault, just what happens when you're immersed in r*ddit
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>>45111328
>the only disqualifier should be a lack of education on the effects
so, pretty much everyone should be disqualified?
>being before the age of puberty
so not for 15 year olds?
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>>45116977
>do we even have private providers for 16-18 yr olds anymore?

Considering im a trans adult and i couldnt even pay for a private x ray prior to surgery it wouldnt shock me if they say "so sorry, come back once you have two blood libels from a werewolf on a full moon"
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>>45117020
it's so disgusting how old hons (like 40-50+) have such a fixation on 'dressing', you see it everywhere, talking about how their wives 'let them dress', how they 'dressed for the first time' (0days on hrt, beard stubble, untrained voice)
like no shit you don't care waiting 6 years for hormones if all you care about is putting on your sissy gear, you're a perverted elderly man
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>>45117098
you can learn the effects from a sticker on the side of the container, it's not that complicated
>15 years old is before puberty
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>>45116984
Lets be real, we need hrt at age 10.

Even 15 is a bit late. By 18, there's no functional difference to 30
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>>45117117
there is a big difference to 30 but in terms of passing yeah
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>>45117020
This is pure nonsense, hrt is critical.

Im sick of fake trans everywhere, they forced me to do RLE and it destroyed me, still has to this day. Infuriating. People dont need to suffer how i did
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>>45117117
We need hrt as early as possible. 12 is better than 15 is better than 18 is better than 30. Your mindset will just lead to 15 year old reppers that wind up way more raped by puberty than they had to have been
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>>45117109
i only say that because they're sold on the idea
we all know too well the outcome
also holy shit she's known for 4 yrs already
>Considering im a trans adult and i couldnt even pay for a private x ray prior to surgery
same but for a CT scan, i had to fly to paris to have it done
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>>45117144
I get that, but infuriating to see opportunities wasted, im sick of seeing the path to misery trodden again
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>>45117111
>you can learn the effects from a sticker
you can’t know the effects of a drug/hormonal treatment from the fucking pamphlet.
it’s only the bare minimum of information, without disclosing the actual scope of any effects you can expect, mechanism of the active substance, or even severity of the side-effects.
anti-depressant pamphlets say „headaches”, when what they actually mean is „for a week straight, withdrawal causes permanent head-splitting pain that makes you unable to fall asleep, causes nausea, vertigo and dissociation. by the way, you can expect these symptoms to periodically come back for a period of up to three years”. you have no clue why this is though, because you have no idea how the drug even works in the first place. great fucking awareness of effects.
>15 years old is before puberty
it’s mid-puberty, i.e. before achieving puberty
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>>45117165
>„headaches”
why are yuros so fucking autistic? is it just in your DNA to be pedantic and retarded or is it bred into you during childhood?
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>>45117146
>the risk is just too great
total redditor death
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>>45117165
hormones aren't antidepressants anon. their effects on the body's systems are predictable, straightforward and fully reversible
>achieving puberty
this may be the most autistic thing I've read in my life
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>>45117219
>hormones aren't antidepressants
I know, the point isn’t about specific effects, but the layman user’s awareness of them.
>predictable, straightforward
as are must drugs (straightforward is a strong word though)
>fully reversible
that’s just wrong
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>>45111273
As a straight man who likes trannies, I want them to have HRT as soon as possible
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i'm going to try and make a reddit account and contact her becasue i'm not going to sit around and watch a passoid fuck themselves (even though i'm bitter)
i got banned for making a joke about killing nazis so i need to make a new one and hope it doesn't get banned
think i have a saviour complex really but atleast i'm trying to good with it
all of my alts were banned with my main and they have my ip but i think i can fuck them with a vpn
wish me luck nonas i'm going to fail miserably
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>>45117245
>>fully reversible
>that’s just wrong

>theres a drug that can take away your suicidal thoughts and enable you to live a fulfilling and happy life
>aren't you worried that it might be irreversible though?
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>>45117279
Godspeed
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>>45117268
„that’s just wrong” as in „that is plainly incorrect”
it’s not MORALLY wrong (you fucking retard).
the whole thing about HRT being „fully reversible” is due to the possibility of the patient actually electing to de-transition.
in other words, they are by the very nature of wanting to de-transition, not living a fulfilling and happy life.
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>>45117245
I said on the body's systems, not its shape. for example periods or sperm production will come back if ceased, it's not at all like psychiatric drugs which can and will give you psychosis or make you suicidal or fuck your brain forever but get handed out like candy
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>>45117319
Why are you quoting like that
just use greentext
Newfags man
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>>45117279
there are still heroes
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>>45117345
even on the body’s systems.
periods and sperm production MAY return, but it’s not a given, especially after prolonged exposure.
not to mention, puberty is when these systems actually fully develop. obviously hrt will do irreversible damage to this development, if administered before/during that period.
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>>45117319
>think of the cissoids
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>>45117401
>obviously
not at all actually. women have pcos and can reproduce just fine. also, are you familiar with the trolley problem?
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Im going to also message OP on reddit to take HRT but im a hairly old man
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>>45117137
I think its a combination of Stockholm syndrome and bitterhons trying to prevent others from passing Kore than people being faketrans
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>>45117452
i don't think this is a bitterhon, it's just someone who literally isn't trans trying to relate to someone who is. notice how the user recommended the use of wigs, as if a 15 year old is unable to just grow her own hair out (and likely already has long hair, given that she has relatively supportive parents), and 'bras with fillers'.
i don't even believe in blanchard but this user is straight up recommending transvestite behaviour to try and help a girl who is dysphoric to cope, like
>it doesn't matter if you don't have hormones, as long as you can do your makeup!
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waiting for the regime to blame diy hrt being funded by russia soon, they seem quite desperate as of late.
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>>45117197
product of the times, peers and guardians too scared to speak up cuz of repercussions, they're just as responsible, tcd
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>>45117513
They say they're on hrt, by my standards thats not faketrans. But yeah, the advice they give is 45 year old sissy repper shit. Probably that's what they know and did for decades and they can't comprehend that it doesn't apply to the life of a 15 year old
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>trannies leaping at the opportunity to message a confused, vulnerable minor
>we're not groomers btw!!!!
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>>45117279
>think i have a saviour complex really but atleast i'm trying to good with it
i think thats called having empathy, gl nona
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>>45117279
i might hold off to be honest
i'm not sure i can make a compelling enough message and i don't want things to go sour with her mother if she finds out
and i really fucking hate that
im also britbonger pretrans and it pains me to watch someone like me who has hope lose it because well meaning but retarded people are going:
>oh great heavens! non government prescribed hormones? not on my watch, girlie! you've got to wait until you're old enough and masculine enough! dont you know it's not reversible too? praise great leader bandy burnham for his great and noble fence sitting! i'm going to go punch an immigrant now
really don't know what to do but but i can't sit and do nothing

one day we'll be free
but today is not that day
and there's be many more days that are not that day
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>>45117677
the problem is the second you try and help out you'll be labelled a groomer, and the consequences are insane if you're a troon
p likely she'd involve her mum at some point so it's risky, hence tcd is the only true solution
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>>45111294
>You can't tell your parents about it hehe our little secret

Actually not even funny at this point
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>>45117403
>it’s to help people
>not THESE people…

>>45117415
women with pcos have much lower testosterone levels than ftm transgenders, and it still causes serious health complications, including risk of permanent infertility.
I don’t know what the trolley problem has to do with this conversation, unless you insist on presenting an extremely oversimplified version of the topic at hand, because it looks cleaner as a life-or-death hypothetical?
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>>45117714
>and help out you'll be labelled a groomer, and the consequences are insane if you're a troon
Yeah, the right thing to do would be to tell her to get a po box and just mail her a vial. Not worth spending years in a men's prison though
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>>45117714
message sent
i won't show it but i didn't give any diy details ect
i just said basically waiting is a massive fucking mistake and talk to your mother about how important it is to you
it's going to go horribly horribly wrong but atleast in the moment i may be doing something ok for once in my sftl
testosterone is poison and maybe i can get rid of it before it starts
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>>45117959
>testosterone is poison

The evil hormone
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>>45117098
no? a 15 year old with a pamphlet is qualified
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>>45119828
Crazy how trannys in thailand are like im just going to go get estrogen and then head to a club, but then in England it becomes a literal national debate
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>>45117764
the vast majority of people who take cross sex hrt are transsexuals for whom it is livesaving. what all arguing against otc hrt come down to is the belief that transsexuals are fundamentally more deserving of suffering than cissexuals
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>>45117645
>trying to save someone from mutilation is grooming
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>>45121247
>the belief that transsexuals are fundamentally more deserving of suffering than cissexuals
which is an objective truth.
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>>45117959
did you mention the part about how weighing her being permanently unemployable against her mother's singular (one) job
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>>45112710
3 years of t from 13-16 literally ruined my life
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>>45121383
T should not be permitted to afabs at all. In fact anything transition related should not be permitted to afabs.
Afabs are too retarded and irresponsible to manage any of this.
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>>45111273
did anyone else see this post btw? it was literally posted the same day as hers
this could be her time travelling to safe herself
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>>45121422
every human should be estrogenized
this would solve all the world's problems
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>>45121548
there's no place on the internet more miserable than r/transgenderUK is there
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>>45121592
The UK is the worst "first world" country by a gigantic mile so yeah
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>>45121592
>objectively the worst off trannies in the anglosphere
>drowning in the nonstop toxic positivity of the rest of trans reddit
oh yeah
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>>45121592
there's something special to it, an almost body-horror like grotesque tinge to the despair that sets it apart from the rest, watching these people resign to a prison of their own making
it's as if you're peering through a TV and unable to stop them, it just fills you with second-hand angst and desperation as the horror unfolds
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>>45121655
it's kinda wild how every single trans person without fail is either doing toxic positivity or toxic negativity. I don't think we know how to be normal
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>>45117959
did you know that cis women also need testosterone in their body in order to maintain proper function?
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>>45115522
I looked through this persons post history and based on it this is some middle-age cis woman who for some reason likes to post on transgenderUK, and she doesn't even seem particularly sympathetic towards trannies.

Like what drives people to do this?
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>>45122163
>Like what drives people to do this?
mumsnet
i mean, lack of purpose after the kids moved out and went no contact while your skin turns to cardboard as you hit peri
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Everyone here is awful. Every who gets the choice to transition at such a young age with support is ridiculously lucky.
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>>45111391
I didn’t ask, ordered at 15. It was really solid for like 6-months but they opened and seized my ma. It really sucks but I wish I had tried harden and got a PO Box or something. Delayed me by almost 2 years.

I like to think the first 6 months did something, maybe stunt some things, but who knows. I will always kick myself for lost time I think. I am so jelly of Those girls who get to transition at like 12/13, they are always cool and well adjusted now.
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>>45122231
>peri
skill issue. they should get on hrt
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>>45122289
menopause is seen as a right of passage for some reason, i don't get it but yeah
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>>45122273
>I wish I had tried harden
you probably did harden when you first got your diy
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>>45122014
there's no good way to suffer
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>>45122289
in britain? HA
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>>45122329
>suffering builds character
- dwp
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>>45122314
Gross. I think I celebrated with a hot coco because they arrived in the morning.
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>>45111622
Based
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>>45121576
>this would solve all the world's problems
Yeah, no.
But a higher proportion of current amabs should be estrogenized, yeah.
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>>45111286
Weird, it wasn't considered grooming when I was a teenager and the doctors were happy to do it for me. Guess I'm just a normal person from ten years ago and you're an extremist.
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>>45111324
You're thinking of Germans
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>>45124562
it's both, and that's why they're both such shit countries for trannies
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>>45121592
You havent seen the cis British subreddits, its about raging against anyone worse off, then bowing your head to the Land Baron

>disabled black woman from Jamaica costs the BRITISH TAXPAYER £30 thousand pounds a year because she needs "adjustments" at work

>this woman is a net negative, why are we evening paying money for disabled people, if you're disabled its YOUR problem
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>>45121608
>first world

Absolutely nothing about this feral dump is first world, unless you've been to a desolate town in the midlands or north of England, you cant understand. These are violent, backwards peasants who cause one another misery.

Think Russia but less civilised
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>>45122014
Nothing normal about the UK.

I remember when I went abroad for surguery, all the European tranners were laughing, joking, socialising. The brit tranners were withdrawn and very reclusive and weird (and alcoholic)
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>>45122163
Hating tans people is the only joy in most peoples lives.

Im not exaggerating, its the only reason most havent killed themselves
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>>45124626
Germany is tranny paradise compared to terf island though
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>>45122307
Protestant beliefs that suffering is a virtue.

Its why there is so little concern for the poor state of the NHS, what do you need medical treatments for, all mental health is fake and a good days work will fix your physical problems, stop complaining, MS isnt real, cystic fibrosis isnt real, i just saw a wheelchair user walk for a few seconds im calling the police
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>>45111273
>reddithons say no
most posters in that thread are diypilling her what are you on about
>>45125025
>Think Russia but less civilised
the uk is absolutely better than russia, you can still update your passport in the uk, they aren't gonna grab you off the street and send you to a "meat assault" in ukraine and you still have some protections from discrimination. this may all change with a reform+tory coalition but for now it's still better
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>>45125038
>you can never have hrt and we hate you vs you can never have hrt but we respect your pronouns
uh... sure
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>>45125423
At least we're not banned from bathrooms and there's no law that cisoids can send any tranny they fuck to prison for deception
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>>45125428
all I'm saying is the bar is deeper than the mariana trench
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>>45125436
It is. Germany is still one of the better places to be trans though
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>>45125046
good point but imo it's more secularised now though in the form of nationalism
people rationalise and justify suffering & hierarchy by means of a greater cause, in religion it's for god, in nationalism it's for the country
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>>45125444
I was talking to a guy from germany and he said he has never seen a young tranny in public. ever
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>>45111273
what is diy?
Buying it without a prescription?
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>>45125518
depends on what you mean by young I guess. I went to school with a trans guy who transitioned when we were 17. That was over ten years ago. Today, I see trans people in their early twenties all the time. Some might be late teens. I very rarely see any that look older than mid thirties actually
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>>45116982
Lol. You have retards here absolutely insisting they knew they were trannies when they were 5.

It's all made up bullshit.
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>>45116982
There's even younger kids claiming to be trans.
Did you miss the peak of pro trans era?
5 year old kids claiming to be trans. Accompanied by their obese mothers in rainbow attire.
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>>45125536
huh
wasn't there a thread the other day about prescription hrt being in a limbo state where doctors need to ask insurance companies if they'll fund it and they say no and then the doctor would need to pay a lot so they say no all while trying to avoid liability for a detrooner meaning it's exceedingly difficult to access
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>>45125529
it means ligma
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>>45125713
That's all true, I posted a lot of that. But a lot of people are doing diy and it's pushed in all trans spaces, since its the only reliable option anymore. People here are actually almost a bit too open about it, a few months ago a big newspaper was advertising it. Hope it doesn't backfire
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>>45125518
Ive never seen a realistic wig either
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>>45125085
>the uk is absolutely better than russia

I can tell you've never fallen into the clutches of the establishment.

Russia made it easy for trans people to claim aslyum. The UK are very sophisticated. They dont actually pass laws, just outsource policy to think tanks they created, they use competing rights to harm trans people, which is considered calid under EU law, they said terfism is a religion and use that as cover to make the day to day lives of trans people a misery.

Can you change your documents, sure, does it mean anything, no. Still go to male prison if you're mtf, still not allowed hospital treatment, so have the wrong sex police officers strip search you, still barred from employment.

But they let us keep our documents which mean nothing, so when we claim asylum they say no, you still have documents, you still have it on a piece of paper the Equality Act protects you.

What does it protect us from if employers can legally fire us, and institutions can legally discriminate? Then you've got the media propaganda, which is relentless. Its worse than Russia
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>>45125814
ok yeah that does sound a lot better then. but also very volatile. but for now probably better than australia where I suspect a lot of us are hondosed and never heard of diy
>>45127606
gottem
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>>45127760
>and never heard of diy
How is that possible? Do Australians not have the internet? Or is it a customs issue?
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>>45127829
ok they've heard of diy but as this super dangerous walter white activity it's reddithon central basically
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Laughing at the entire European continent from Australia. Even the yanks with trump have it better then you



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