fuck whatever this is. dysphoria is not the same as bdd. cis women will never get that. >(sorry for posting this in voicegen, am retarded)
>>45114192trannies can't just fall back on "your body ia beautiful because we aren't beautiful"
I heard troons get their ribs removed so they can suck their own dicks
>>45114257no
>>45114192bump
>>45114192You can accept that dysphoria is an exception and advocate for trannies to receive healthcare/surgeries and also realise that the vast majority of trans women need to reflect on how predatory the plastic surgery industry is and need to separate alleviating dysphoria and caving to beauty standards (especially in regards to surgeries like FFS and extreme stuff like rib remodelling). This post is worded a bit silly but I agree that trans women really need to start calling out others for being blindly devoted to the beauty industry as it harms us and alienates radical feminists who we should be stood by
>>45115794>rib remodellingdangerous, definitely only consider if you're not passing because of it and it will help>ffssingle best investment you can make in yourself as a woman, cis or trans, unfortunately. i uglypassed preffs and now i facemog like 80% of cis women day to day. i also get treated way better than i used to. if it's affordable or you can get insurance to cover it, do it.
>>45115794Fuck radical feminists, they are all terfs.
>>45115823I’m not against FFS, I’m a literal honmoder (socially transitioned but never gendered female by strangers) and I’m planning to get it ASAP but only for the features I’m dysphoric about with my face (mostly chin/jaw).>uglypassed preffs and now i facemog like 80% of cis women day to dayThis is exactly what I mean though. I’m happy for you getting surgery but you’ve not mentioned your dysphoria being alleviated one bit, just that you’re attractive now. I’m not going to stop anyone from getting surgery if they have the resources but trans women need to desperately reflect on why they want/are getting surgeries like these, because you see trans women with even healthier mindsets about surgery then getting pressured to get more done to their faces by surgeons/other trans women. I don’t think any sane woman, cis or trans, isn’t going to raise an eyebrow to a surgery that instinctually despises and masculinises "ethnic" noses and any features that sit outside of the western beauty standard. Part of me also just finds it funny that most trannies distrust doctors when it comes to HRT and mental health but suddenly worship the altar of the plastic surgeon.>>45115856No they’re not, and parroting this bullshit alienates potential allies. Anti-feminist trannies are shooting themselves in the foot.
>>45115874I'm a libfem. Radfem is always terfism.
>>45114192She's right though. There are tranners out there that claim they need surgeries to pass when they already look great. You need to know whether you are upset due to some bullshit beauty standard or because you actually could benefit from FFS. It's true that it's harder to cope about all this as a trans woman but we also need to be sure if something would actually help us or not.
>>45115884Bs, ik i'm an ugly gigahon but my cisf wife says i don't need ffs because she "likes my face" and thinks i'm bdd. But I have a mirror.
>>45114192at the end of the day it doesn't matter how many "cis women [predominantly male feature] too!" they do not have all of the above. they will always be cis and never have to fight for every last inch of approval and right to existence in a public space that they can scrape up.scruples over surgery is ignorant and nearsighted, as a tranny i must take every advantage i can get. there are no exceptions to this rule.
>>45115908based. fuck any hugboxing cissoid who tells you otherwise.
>>45115874Reject the order of creation. Spite nature. Get every surgery you can.
>>45115879Oh, sorry for assuming, but still I think certain radfem positions would benefit trans women if taken on and the reflection of how beauty standards control us is one of them, because the current path typically either goes>HRT does its job fast. You pass, beauty standards hit you like a truck. Attractiveness and passing get confused as you fall down the rabbit hole of surgery.>HRT doesn’t do its job. You get FFS and immediately pass after, beauty standards hit you like a truck. Attractiveness and passing get confused as you fall further down the rabbit hole of surgery.All of this being reaffirmed by other trans women online caught in the spirals.>>45115884>It's true that it's harder to cope about all this as a trans woman but we also need to be sure if something would actually help us or not.Great summary. Surgery gets pushed before anyone’s encouraged to mentally transition.>>45115893Are you an ugly gigahon or just ugly? I also find trannies clamouring for FFS because they confuse feeling unattractive and being misgendered once in a blue moon with constant harassment and misgendering.>>45115921You’s talk about fighting every which way you can for acceptance and then say stuff like this. A mentally-healthy hon is going to be accepted more in the long-run than someone with this mindset.
>>45115934not any of these anon's but after reading your replies, i think you might be retarded
>>45115934There are no good positions that are exclusive to radfems. Radfems are just affluent privileged women who have created their own bizarre form of sex-based nationalism. Literally all of their analysis of society is dogshit
>>45115936You don’t look in /passgen/ and think the majority of women in there are ruled by unhealthy beauty standards and not the realities of passing/dysphoria?
>>45115950Ok, separating criticism of the beauty industry from radical feminism because it’s not an exclusively-radfem position, do you still not think the pressure of western beauty standards on trans women is something worth reflecting on?
>>45115961Sure but I'm just trying to live my life and anything that prescribes some personal consumer choice like not getting ffs or surgeries is pseud nonsense
>>45115934https://litter.catbox.moe/dlkruw69dyiwdouy.jpgJudge for yourself
>>45115961No, because we want to pass, not change societal beauty standards.
>>45115988>No, because we want to pass, not change societal beauty standards.I also want to pass, desperately, but why should I feel expected to get complete facial surgery, a BA, and a shoulder reduction if all I need to pass is a jawline shave? And why should other trannies like me feel the same pressure?>>45115982Wear makeup. That’s another problem: trannies going to the extremes of surgery when they haven’t even attempted the basics of makeup that cis women need.
>>45116015wow ur actually braindead
>>45116015Makeup won't fix a neanderthal brow.
>>45116026It won’t but I’m not talking about you. The conversation about trannies with plastic surgery is impossible because we already are the exception to get surgery without questioning, yet every tranny thinks they’re the exception of that exception. I’m not forcing trannies to justify why they’re getting surgery, just to reflect the tiniest tiniest bit about why you’re getting it.
>>45116041Ok, why should I? Do you really think I'm bdd or something? I just want to be pretty, if that's misogyny, so be it.
