>>45150556
https://voca.ro/17213syGvtAT

>>45150573
was going to be mean but your voice is actually super good

>>45150573
mogged, i kneel

>>45150573
average "trans woman"s voice circa 2020

>>45150556
>>45150556
me and most transfems ive known dont bother voice training because were in really lgbtq+ accepting spaces where noone gives a shit. voice training also just really uncomfortable, so when basically noone cares why would you bother with it

>>45150556
I don't believe I ever sound like a man and nobody ever tells me I do sound like a man

>>45150617
I mean I voice train cuz hearing my moid voice voice sucks and it is so much more uncomfortable than practicing

>>45150617
>me and most transfems ive known dont bother voice training because we're faketrans
fixed

>>45150617
what about dysphoria

I am trying I cant figure out how to make it pass I want to die

>>45150634
everyone experiences it differently, i dont have problems with my voice, your mileage may vary

not a transbian but after transitioning i just ended up with an okay voice without any kind of training
i don't know how or why

>>45150573
Voice training final boss

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how i picture peoppe who identify as transbians

https://youtube.com/shorts/3qbUI9xiujI?is=Z0FAQFO0AxDP21ao

>>45150655
This is just hatred to have this horrible of an image of another person who is similar to most of us

dont encourage them OP. my voice passing alongside being employed are the only two things that make me stand out from the other trannies as desirable

>>45150652
just truetrans things
>>45150655
they wish they were that attractive

>>45150617
faketranny
we don't voice train because its too much commitment, but we're still self consious about it, no sane person is going to hear our manly ass voice and hon apperance with greasy hair and go ooga wooga real woman? get a fucking grip

>>45150634
they don't get any, because they're le hekkin vxlid liliths.

>>45150667
tbf I have this image of almost all trans women, atleast personality wise, all of them ive met have been sex pests

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>>45150655
you're not far off, they tend to be uglier though.

>>45150675
I actually look like a cis woman, even though I didn't want to cuz I feel men are more attractive

>>45150556
did you start liking men after transitioning or were you gay prior

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>>45150667
cry about it retard

>>45150684
The ones for attracted to women are sex pests. Trans women who are fully attracted to men and would be gay if they hadn't transitioned are much more natural

i voice trained and pass irl :)

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>>45150673
they're worse.

>>45150689
wtf are you even talking about?

>>45150711
I've always wanted to be a big tall man at least six feet

>>45150708
Im stelath and i have a cis wife, but I hate other trans people, tried to befriend 4 now irl and they've all ben perverted and cross boundaries and want sex. I honestly cannot stand 99% of trannies this baords been further proof of how disgusting trannies are esp the transbians

>>45150718
yeah? and you also wanted to get laid but couldn't so you faketrooned. tale as old as time

>>45150727
do you have srs? how did you and your wife meet?

>>45150734
I have srs, met in middle school, dated just as we graduated

>>45150727
I knew I blow it by transitioning cuz I should have just worked at being a gay man. problems was I couldn't get it up very well and most gay men didn't like me that much.
I can accept the internet out gay man but not an out trans woman I think being tranny is disgusting

>>45150728
Actually our transitioned early I had been older I wouldn't have done it and had to regret it

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>>45150694
i was mostly straight before transitioning and im bi now. why?

>>45150709
where are you and why do people like you not exist in california

>>45150672
i genuinely dont know what to do at this point. i wanted to date another trans woman for the mutual struggle and understanding but im not attracted to the nerdy autistic dude / flamer fag voice that virtually all of them have. i literally have no choice but to date cis women or men if i want to be actually fully attracted to my partner.

oh, and im monogamous on top of everything haha. this is hell, im in hell
t. OP

>>45150750
the only problem with being trans is majority have given us a horrible image, sadly the reality is a lot of weird fucking freaks claim to be trans

>>45150768
and those types are always the loudest and want "rights"

>>45150768
If you know my real story you wouldn't believe it

>>45150778
what?

>>45150573
my bussy is wet holy

>>45150757
im in midwest… passing trannies dont exist in blue states tbhon

>>45150624
You don't believe you ever DID sound like a man? is that what you're saying?
Have you ever heard a man speak and then look him in the eyes, firmly projecting from your chest and diaphragm and say, "You sound like a man?"

>>45150556
I think transbians are just unlucky because your attraction and gender aren’t linked

>>45150757
I have the same problem, it's the biggest reason I'm single. I would love to date a trans woman for the same reasons as you, but I'm just not attracted to most of them. It's rare to find girlmoders at all, even rarer to find someone who doesn't dress like a teenager, and pretty much impossible to find someone who is monogamous and has at least voice trained to some degree.
I'm not sure if my voice passes tbhon, I get told I have a nice voice and don't have any issues with passing irl, but I still feel weird about my voice.

>>45150814
drop disc

>>45150556
my voice is kinda androgynous (actually my voice didnt change at all post 9years old) so while I dont sound like a girl, I dont sound like a man, and even after talking IRL people still gender me female so I'm kinda sweeping it under the rug for now, I still hate my voice, but its so fucking hard to voice train,

>>45150556
me

>>45150556
why would someones voice ever be a problem? who cares? shallowest thing ever. if anything they dodged a bullet. why would u ever date someone who cares about what you sound like and doesnt love ALL of you. especially as a transbian

>>45150853
I transitioned at 23. I had a ridiculously ugly masculine dudebro voice and im at the point now where i dont remember the last time I got misgendered, so i must be doing something right. other trannies have absolutely no excuse not to at least try, its genuinely nothing but laziness and ineptitude. and frankly priviledge if youre even be able to live your life like that without getting invalidated and discriminated against and hatecrimed every step of the way as a girlmoder

>>45150814
op here, waow youre literally me what the hell. I feel the same about my voice, im not saying mine is perfect but its enough to get by and most ppl dont even try :( im guessing u dont live in cali..

>>45150814
theyre 10/10 in every category and have a masc voice that's enough to drop? weird and shallow

>>45150912
its literally not that easy, people have different voices, it can be nearly impossible for some

>>45150912
Nope sorry, I live in Europe... I seriously need to move to America, every single trans woman I've been interested in lives there.
>>45150914
They are most likely not a 10/10 in the categories that matter to me if they have never bothered to voice train. I don't mind a clocky voice, but if they have never made an effort to voice train they most likely have not put effort into anything else and don't pass. And I want to date a woman, not someone who only identifies as a woman and nothing else. I don't think that's shallow. Someone who doesn't pass at all and doesn't girlmode is going to have a very different experience from me and I think that would make us incompatible.

>>45150896
forgive me for not being attracted to the voice of a masculine man coming out of a woman. i dont think that's "shallow". that's like saying someone is shallow for not wanting to date someone morbidly obese or bald or prohibitively hideous. unfortunately i need to be attracted to someone to want to fuck them. sorry? do you think a cis lesbian wants to fuck a woman who sounds like an autistic dude or a gay man? because they dont. when im attracted to a woman I expect and desire a womans voice. i dont know why thats so shocking and evil to you people

if you want to date other transbians with man voices then fine, go ahead, i dont care. but that is not something i want or can even tolerate

Im voice trained but I'm unfortunately an unemployed depressive video game nerd loser in her 30s

>>45150912
>its genuinely nothing but laziness and ineptitude
I have to agree, as its not something that is actively troubling my life I just cant make the effort, I still hate it, and I even went to a voice therapist, but after 6 months of no progress I gave up (there are no others where I live so I cant even try to change to see if the problem wasnt me).

>>45150950
I'm unfortunately in the same boat currently although I wouldn't describe myself as a loser. If you want a someone to talk to you could drop your discord

>>45150556
Everything has to change at once, or else "nothing has changed"
they're waiting until some mystical day when they're surrounded by some vague group that wants to talk about what a girl they are, and then when they have to accept that when they speak they'll out themselves, they will develop the determination to start training
If they start trying to find more ambiguous ways to dress, on their way to feminine, they can permanently postpone any more effort in the hope they can avoid changing one small thing too much. If any one of those small things change too much, they're faced with the contrast between how they look and how they'd like to look, and that will instantly frighten them back into the patient arms of jeans and graphic tees, unwashed hair and vocal fry

no is the answer, all the trained-sbians are probably so deep under cover that they've conditioned their own memories of male life out of their mind

>>45150978
sassafras0691

>>45150617
i literally turn green with envy and a bit of smoke comes out of my ears when i hear a passing voice from a tranny. not a transbian tho

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>>45150686
m-mmm-mmm-mm... mm--mo-moog *gets shot*

>>45151122
https://voca.ro/1391seb5ciCE

>>45150675
ok but I know trans people who haven't voice trained with people who love them so what now
this conservatism rebranded for trannies is so annoying I hate how prevalent it is on this board

>>45150947
be attracted to whoever you want idc but you're stating it in a way that is intentionally transphobic and highlights your disgust with people who don't fit gender norms, which is something you should work on

>>45150556
i love transbians with male voices. they're fine and hot

>>45150556
https://voca.ro/11lRXu0m5E1D

I voice train. To be honest I don't understand transbiens who dont voice train whatsoever, I get not making the best effort because it is difficult but I can't really understand why a trans woman who doesn't voice train could live with herself. I don't think this is a transbien specific phenomenon, though, I knew plenty of straight trannies who didn't voice train either and just had fag voice.
>>45150655
It's true. I'm transben &nd This is what I look like.

>>45151209
Holy youngshit

>>45151229
i didn't get hormones until 18 lmao im a typical t-raped lateshit

my throat is wrecked from years of heavy smoking and abuse. i'll smoke a pack of spirits on my day off from work in conjunction with an eighth to the face. so not a good candidate for vocal surgery either.

>>45151244
Your voice never dropped you're probably an intersexshit giga passoid im happy for you

>>45151251
>retard that doesn't know the difference between a woman's voice and a prepubescent boy whose voice never dropped from t

>>45151251
not going to use my male voice bc dysphoria but I can assure you it dropped

>>45151258
lolol sweety. it'll still be within the same harmonics. it's not drastically different and those with an ear on them can already hear the undertones of it.

the real reason most of them don't voice train is because people will harass you for it. they'll call it fake.

>>45151258
Conveniently wont post male voice, larp

there's this one dyke that makes fun of my voice because i'll display my full range based upon how i'm feeling. sometimes she'll do frog voices or other weird things as a means of mocking my voice. some people can tell the mood i'm in based upon the tone of my voice. vocal range expresses a wide range of emotions. locking yourself into a specific pitch comes across as fake to laymen because it lacks the emotional depth of your natural voice. for some trans people this is black pilling because it ruins things like singing for them. they try to sound like a female singer and subsequently their singing lacks emotional depth.

>>45150556
>>45151122
https://voca.ro/1n12DHHG4mjY

>>45151170
>your disgust with people who don't fit gender norms, which is something you should work on
i have nothing against people who refuse to conform to binary gender norms. that is all well and good for them, and power to them. even transbians who dont voice train. but yes, i will admit that extreme deviation from the norm of a gender (like a trans woman having a mans voice or being very unpassing) is extremely offputting sexually and a massive turn off for me personally. to say thats wrong and "transphobic" is policing sexuality. this is the same thing as calling a cis lesbian transphobic for saying she hates dick and wants nothing to do with it, and that argument is never going to go over well

>>45151268
only bc I'm a good person
https://voca.ro/1nvJHNZqBCcf
>>45151264
idk what you mean by harmonics but my voice is the same as any cis male

>>45151289
I did voicetrain but yeah your voice is a very high pitch tenor so your results are definitely unattainable for most

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>>45151289
the note. like going from middle c to a higher pitched c, but it's still c.

>>45150573
mogs me

>>45151292
>>45151298
idk about pitch but that's not the main thing in voice training it's resonance

>>45151289
https://voca.ro/16QZalOb3UYm

>>45151273
>they try to sound like a female singer and subsequently their singing lacks emotional depth.
this is still something that makes me terribly sad even with a trained voice. t raped my voice hard enough that i will never be able to sing in a voice that feels like my own :( ill never be able to really do karaoke or sing along without outing myself. singing in an operatic soprano is the only thing that feels kind of okay to me, as even if its still distinguishably male it can still be beautiful and feminine

>>45151309
then you're not understanding why someone could clock your voice.

>>45151309
That voice already has very little natural body and resonance yes. In addition to sitting at a high pitch.

>>45151311
your voice literally passes
>>45151319
the "body and resonance" is definitively male though
>>45151312
this a million x. I spent a lot of time singing and despite that I still can't really do it. I've recently been watching content specifically about that and have learned some techniques that hopefully fill the deficit but none of them truly replace just having a cisf voice

>>45151328
My voice is clocky yours is unquestionable

Good job training though it really isnt that hard yeah. But theres definitely a limit to what it can do

many of you miss subtler things like cadence and rhythm. resonance is only a piece of it.

you guys ever hear the bee gee's? why don't the bee gee's sound like women?
when many of you try to voice train you just end up sounding like the bee gee's.

https://youtu.be/uQ9_MwZIaoc

>>45151351
that lowkey sounded like a woman to me initially

>>45151354
to be fair. they look like the og boymoders.
https://youtu.be/XpqqjU7u5Yc

>>45151361
what the I thought the bee gees were black

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>>45151364
nope. just looks like your average boymoder.

like ya, they have range.
https://youtu.be/I_izvAbhExY

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>>45150556
barely

>>45151351
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsetto

>>45150556
desu I only voice trained so I can make girly moans when having sex with other transbians. If it wasn't for that I probably wouldn't care.

>>45150556
i'll probably get the surgery and start doing it after that

>>45151311
>https://voca.ro/16QZalOb3UYm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHesF06OCTE


Holy fucking shit Kylee Bylee posts here?

>>45151311
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aBBdfJask
You're her. I recognize that voice

>>45150556
It's difficult, like genuinely. Not that the rest of transitioning can't be difficult especially if you're putting effort into it, but it's a different kind of difficulty. You spend however many years talking just naturally and now you're trying to change that entirely? It's not exactly an appealing proposition, plus you have to deal with the fact that you're flat out going to sound like a flamboyant fag for a while if you start trying. Some trans women don't even get out of that type of voice regardless of trying too. That's not to say I don't understand why you'd want a passing voice on a trans woman but it's a hell of a lot easier said than done.

>>45150556
Voice training is really just pandering to cis normies
Plus ppl r just gonna say ur voice is "fagvoice" anyways there's like no winning unless ur voice is legitimately that of a cis female, makes more sense to put efforts into physically passing first instead of just being
>Literal male doing a girl voice for some reason?

>>45152052
opposite, voice training takes precedence. if you voice pass then you pass online, over the phone, in person (of visually passing enough). If you pass visually then you only really pass in images and video where you dont make any sounds

>>45152052
>Pandering to normies
If you don't want society to perceive you as a woman then you're not trans.

>>45150556
i can't stop noticing that picrel is kiki ash's artstyle and handwriting, and the trannies in the bottom left of the thought bubble look like mae and hazel

voice training is the easiest part of transitioning and the fact everyone is crying about not wanting to do it shows we are absolutely going to the camps

>WHY DO NONE OF YOU VOICE TRAIN?
I've definitely tried and I'd like to think I've had decent success, though I'm technically bi with a preference for other women so I dunno if I count
What I want to know from people here is how can you tell when your voice actually passes (and I'd prefer not to post a recording here atm)? I've asked a bunch of people that I'm out to such as family and medical professionals and they all say my voice passes but I'm still paranoid I'm being hugboxed or they only mean it in some dumb "everyone is valid" kind of way. How do you manage to overcome the last bit of self-doubt in the back of your mind every time you speak? I'm fairly confident about my voice but still not 100% and I don't know what to do about it.
>>45150617
>>45152052
I'm sorry but if someone doesn't even TRY to train their voice I'm probably going to question your motivations for transitioning and not really see you as "valid". Voice is one of the biggest aspects of passing and sounding male would be a major source of dysphoria for any legitimate trans woman.

>>45151249
doesn't seem to be a very popular thing to get that surgery, i've heard it can fuck up your voice for good, but the training probably feels less forced. and helps prevent getting clocked from coughing/sneezing

>>45150556
I'm technically bi but anyway I voice trained then slowly untrained myself because the conscious effort of maintaining a voice was suifuel and my natural voice was androgynous enough to pass as plausibly female I guess

I got vfs recently though so I have to work on it again

https://voca.ro/11MDu8q4yyaZ

>>45152609
nope

>>45152441
U sound mad lol
Anger is malebrained

>>45152118
You don't pass as a girl in person unless you yk actually look female
Physical transition and then voice if it's that bad
Doing voice first is just gonna nuke your chances of ever passing unless you fucking move somewhere entirely else kek but ig I shouldn't say that cause my voice was naturally never deep to any degree

>>45152732
hard disagree, i can go out not presenting feminine at all and get gendered female just based on my voice/height. One time it was in poor lighting in a convenience store where I literally had facial hair (growing it out for electrolysis) and got gendered female by the customer beside me in line lol.
Idk what you mean by "doing voice first nukes your chances of passing" that statement just doesn't make sense.

reqs for gf:
must pass in face and voice and body (penis optional)
make more than 75k a year
dress normally
tall

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I don't voice train because I don't pass either way, putting on a fake voice isn't going to push me into passing territory so it's just a waste of time

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i'm a voice trained transbian but i'm in class rn so i can't post vocaroo i'll post it later though. i also have complete moid sexuality though so i don't hit on ppl usually
>>45152820
>fake voice
i genuinely do not understand this mindset. your voice is made from a physical flesh object that you are manipulating naturally. saying it's fake when you train it is like saying your muscles are fake after going to the gym natty. i know for some ppl their voice is tied to their identity but even then it's like yeah being a freak of nature is part of my identity atp and yet i'd still rather not be one

>>45153030
it's fake in the sense that it's not your natural speaking voice

>>45153121
if it isn’t your natural speaking voice then you didn’t voice train

>>45150556
it was literally the first thing i day
from the first day of my transition, every day.

i dont get why anyone would not do it

>>45153156
i literally worked on it for like 3 years before even touching E, i was so scared of becoming a hon

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>>45150556
i feel like the mic is giving me a weird lisp but i’m not feeling high effort today so, here you go ig:

https://voca.ro/1ffJi78BGPas

>>45150912
im getting vfs (again) today. If it works will u date me
t. norcal

>>45150992
wow this describes me.

>>45152052
truke, its like a gatekeep. Nobody actually gets a passing voice, but it shows you did the requisite suffering and time wasting to be respected

>>45153745
You sound like a pooner

>>45153951
so like a man? cool cool i'm ok i'm fine...
time to start training hard again

>>45152804
Yes, we can find you a man, sir

>>45153885
that's fucking retarded

>>45153885
whisper sirens hazing ritual

>>45153975
idk abt a man but a twink is fine too as long as he voice trains to sound like a woman

>>45154012
what does this mean

>>45154028
>Hazing rituals are humiliating, dangerous, or illegal activities required or expected of people to join or maintain status in a group, regardless of their willingness to participate

>>45154056
oh yes this is true but also hazing rituals do help people get together and increase group cohesion. There is a reason boot camp is so effective.

>>45151925
pretty crazy u were able to clock them off a 10 second clip

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>>45153156
>>45153679
>i dont get why anyone would not do it
exactly, its like the one thing you can actually control, why WOULDNT you at least try??? literally like half of actually passing (and 100% of soulpassing) to normal people is voice, even when i was an ugly hon i was getting gendered right a lot bc of my voice. BILLIONS must voice train, hell even a lot of the gigasneedy highbies have trained voices now, i dont get why its not trickling down

>>45153766
op here, hii, gl with surgery :) yeah drop disc. ughh i still rlly want vfs desu, i get by fine with my voice but i want it to be higher pitch and my coughs are hideous and yelling can be challenging and i want it to be unclockable..

>>45154077
>so effective.
at what, stripping you of individuality or the ability to think for yourself and making you easy to boss around? lol

>>45154183
can u drop urs. someone knows mine and tracks when I post it here.

>>45154193
those are all good qualities, actually, for like 95% of the population.

>>45154206
LMAO

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>>45150556
>>45153745
hey it’s me again, this time with my manvoice for reference. i plan to really lock in to voice training for once and see what i can do

https://voca.ro/14o03TVetNOr

>>45154194
kk i made a burner :p
pearlsareforladies

>>45150798
also midwest can confirm
standards are low for women in general here so even just being skinny and white means ppl will treat you nice

>>45154488
where in midwest…

>>45154505
stl:3
i can pass with effort but only if i don't speak i wish every day that i started voice training sooner

>>45154534
im near chicago >_< if u still wanted to talk anyway drop ur disc

>>45154183
>i dont get why its not trickling down
what don't you get about "too much work"

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I don't have issues voice passing in day to day but I don't really have a standard voice, I kinda just wing it. I didn't like formally train when I transitioned so I didn't lock in how high to speak.

https://vocaroo.com/1nybolEjUX9o

>>45154559
hmm talk abt what? no offense but there a like tons of ppl from chicago here u could talk to and nobody in my city :/

voice training isn't real it's a scam everyone lies to me it's impossible

>>45154608
idk just bored

>>45154412
>pearlsareforladies
sent

>>45154640
this is true, but you can train to have trannyvoice, and for most people that is good enough. You don't really need to pass, you just need to convince people you want to be treated like a woman.

>>45150573
>>45150580
>>45150589
>>45150608
>>45150617

most would be transbians dont have a reason to identify as anything more than a femboy BTW

>>45154950
this is why i don't want to do it. i don't want to go through the mid period of having a fucked up gay hontra voice.

>>45154958
yes but its almost easier to be a non passing low effort tranny than a femboy.
>>45154979
no I meant that hontra/sabre voice is the end goal and all most people can hope for

>>45155022
i'd rather die than sound like hontra
sabre mogs hontra voice wise

>>45155028
and face and body and politics and content wise

>>45155073
yeah besides the carribean slave plantation

>>45150556
>how are you bitches even living like this
i so rarely use my voice to speak to other humans that it just doesn't really come up. i think about it maybe once a week. i do voice train sometimes but i can't bring myself to raise my voice up to full speaking volume if i'm not talking to someone so my soft indoor voice gets better but it instantly breaks when i go beyond that

>>45155086
based. the boymoder, neet, unvoicetrained, no makeup skills rut is impossible to break out of

>>45150556
I mutemode and manmode because I have genuinely negative money I can't even afford laser. Cause I'm a heavily drug addicted lateshit I smoke a ton and need extensive surgery and even then I'll be a twinkhon at best.
Nonetheless I am technically straight cause I never dated a woman and have a boyfriend.

>>45150757
> i was mostly straight before transitioning and im bi now. why?
you were straight but now want that bussy worked. i see it every day

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>>45156361
idk. i really wish i could date men, im tired of trying to date transbians and being disappointed every single time. but idk if im even a real androphile at this point. ive gone on multiple dates, my last date was with a fairly decent looking lanky 6'3 guy and i still felt nothing for him. granted he came off as pretty cold and cynical and pessimistic which i found really unattractive, but still. he even brought me flowers. i feel like anyone with real stranny tendencies should have felt SOMETHING and i didnt.

its probably for the best though, im not really a stacy doll or whatever like most hussies are and I dont pass well enough to keep a man around. ive never even kissed a man before and i doubt i ever will

What I dont get is doing voicetraining AFTER starting hormones. Like theres no situation where you interact with someone with an untrained voice and pass, but at least with a trained voice you can pass over audio medium like phone calls or videogames

>>45157597
Are you implying that trannies should wait until they get voicetraining down while actively on tpoison? Rotting not just every part of their bodies but crucially enlargening their larynx? Making the whole voice training a sisyphean affair?
Literally the thing that changes the most after puberty is voice, second voicedrop is the most important part of second puberty

>>45157597
getting hrt is way easier effort-wise than voicetraining

>>45150617
people like you are non-binary imo

>>45157648
what the fuck are you talking about retard reread my post or something
>>45157715
but it's useless for meaningfully passing