>pay 100k for ffs>they do THISlol come on
>>45179028>Rossi>ArgentinaBrazil, Colombia, or Mexico, those are the three places you go if you want a good surgery in Latam.Who the hell said that Argentine doctors or engineers were any good? Rossi is a terrible surgeon; that’s been known for years. The same goes for DiMaggio.
>>45179028there is a genuine issue with a lot of surgeons claiming they can do forehead reshaping but not having adequate training imo. it's a pretty complex operation and when botched can have serious long-term side effects. i see way too many cases where people have structural damage afterwards like sinus holes etc which is a bit scary to me.
>>45179028how many times are we posting this fucking picture? mind if I take over and post it tomorrow?
>>45179045argentinians are so poor they eat stray dogs to survive. naturally their surgeons must be world class!
>>45179055Meanwhile I went to a good US surgeon, my new forehead feels just like my old forehead except shaped differently. They didn't even need any hardware for my type 3 setback. I only needed opiates for a day and the pain was minimal.
>>45179084Who did you go to nona
>>45179084was it keo
>>45179045What surgeons in Mexico have good reputations?
>>45179127Brazil's got facial team, Colombia has loads of decent unknown ones, and Mexico's got Baez for ffs and Carlos Guerra for srs. That's about all I've got, desu.
>>45179503>Facialteam>Good Holy shit lol my sides
>>45179503>Brazil's got facial teamonly for latinos
>>45179509People are so split on it, honestly, it half feels like a psyop at this point, but at the end of the day, I've decided to just go with Baez. I definitely need my nose and forehead sorted out. Coming from a less well-off part of Europe, my options are pretty much the usual; stay in Europe, go to Facialteam, or look at South Asia or Latin America. I mean, I could afford to go to the US, but only for the dodgy surgeons. Baez just seems like a really solid shout, and his results are dead consistent. Might stick a post up on reddit about it all in a few months' time
>>45179555serious? how do u know?
>>45179115nta. but i went to keo for forehead, he does use hardware but it's dissolvable
>>45179610How much did dat cost nony
>>45179576they charge something like $15k for full ffs and they don't want to raise their prices to avoid having 10 year long waitlists because of international patients
>>45179509they don't make you look like a model, they just make you less manly. I don't see what's the problem with that
>>45179681did they switch to bone cement yet?
Is Facial Team a good option?
>>45179735I see a lot of people make fun of it mostly for being really conservative in how much they cut away. some people pay thousands and then they're like I look exactly the same wtf
>>45179028>pay butcher to butcher you>they butcher you
>>45179735If you're already a passoid, yes, they'll make you slightly more feminine. If you're a facehon they'll take your money, cut you open and not actually do anything. Go find an aggressive surgeon whose sole passion in this world is carving slabs of tranny canvas into effigies of his surged up wife.
>>45180085>they'll take your money, cut you open and not actually do anything. Go find an aggressive surgeonkek
>>45180165desu that chin is pretty good
>>45180165is this supposed to be a bad example? she's passing + pretty
>>45180165Better but still clocks male
>>45180645no? it's supposed to be a good result and to show how aggressive they can actually be>>45180685insane
>>45180165looks like tamara from the recent h3 drama
>>45180706If you think she looks cis you're insane.Amazing chin work but her midface is a bigger problem
>>45180743retard alert
>>45179028>Rossi>100kNo, the point of him is that you pay 15k and pray he doesn't fuck up.
>>45180743ok
>>45180754100k is mardi price
>>45180785Mardi who misgenders you and then botches you lol
>>45180805ye
>>45180165Wow that's great work actually
>>45181082>Good work>Look inside>Still unhappy with appearance
>>45180805kek>be mardi>get 100k>for botching a tanny>you hate trannies>they pay you to inflicting them damagehe's living in heaven
>>45179028genuine body horror jfc
>>45183014he's really nice actually im seeing him next year for my ffs, it was less than 75k
also everyone hates trannies be so fr
Argies will shit on the floor because they too lazy to walk to the toilet. Their work ethic is "whatever idgaf" and their skills at their craft is akin to toddlers. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with them
>>45179059Stray dogs for the Argentinians, condom pizzas for the Venezuelans
>>45179503Didn't baez have a few patients die intraop
>>45180085>Go find an aggressive surgeon whose sole passion in this world is carving slabs of tranny canvas into effigies of his surged up wifelmao who is this
>>45183164Deschamps-braly
>>45183170this her? dang
>>45183186Yeah, he's the single most expensive srs surgeon in the world.
Ffs*
>>45183170>>45183186Looked up his work.Am I wrong for preferring the before? After's not bad at all, but before has more character.
>>45183251wait shes trans?
>>45183254Fuck, didn't realize it was just the before...Yeah. There's a video. She's pretty vocal fried up. No one's perfect.
>>45179045I never thought abt doing health tourism for FFS and shit. My parents do all their dental work in Colombia, any nonas know a good clinic and how much they charge? Very interested in this.
>>45183071>it was less than 75k
>>45179576nta but I saw on their IG a few years ago that they only take patients who live in LatAm (to keep prices low as >>45179672 says)
>>45183262the after is way hotter
controversial take but i dont think these men deserve 30 million dollars a year or more than 200k per workday after expenses for what they're doing. they form a completely unregulated tranny surgery monopoly and justify their immense greed by claiming they're rightfully entitled to charge this much because they control the entire supply. they're a cartel. they should all charge 10 times less at maximum. they're blatantly exploiting us and getting rich off of hoarding life saving medical care over our heads until one of us manages to jump up high enough to afford it. every innocent sister who kills herself without getting ffs or srs is blood on their greedy jewish hands. they've all betrayed their hippocratic oath.
>>45183419This is why we need socialism
There's a few blue states where all trans surgeries are covered
>>45183427Money is the only thing that motivates these surgeons to perform FFS; socialism does not account for minorities, without money to motivate people to do something, FFS would not exist.
>>45183444true
>>45183444the revolution leaves nobody behind, comradewelcome to the transhevik party sister
>>45183444Money can and does exist in a socialist economy, such as in China (and yes, China is socialist https://medium.com/@NiaFrome/china-good-1dc6c9f9b39f)
>>45183508market socialism is whatever the current thing is, but with free healthcare, or something
>>45183508modern china is fascist
>>45183520erm, based??
>>45183520You are a postmodernist who thinks that words can mean whatever you want them to mean. Either that or you're ignorant of the meaning of the word "fascist". So which is it?
>>45183444There are those (such as DB) who do it because they're genuinely passionate about it (and who therefore would continue to do it even without a monetary incentive, as long as their basic needs were met)
>>45183572He literally does 5 surgeries a week he's bound to burn out, especially without profit incentive. His quality has already tanked within the past few yrs
>>45179028TGEY RUNRED HER INTO A SKALWTON?
>>45183582He does 4 a week now>>45183572Lol, he does it because he is a chaser
>>4518307175k for WHAT tho nona
>>45183704
>>45179028Why does FFS cost more than SRS? Is it because SRS is a complete scam?
>>45184330yep
Bump
>>45183419TRVKEi said this shit in mtfg a while ago and some bitch said that i should learn how to do surgery myself it's not news that doctors are sociopaths but facial surgeons have to be some of the worst>>45183572how on earth do you square this with him being the most expensive surgeon in the world
>>45179057I think it's only been posted twice in like a years timespan, hasn't rly been that much, plus it kinda makes sense to actually post photos like these so people have any kind of practical idea/sense at all of what surgical outcomes can possibly be like, practical use case vs just being spam for the sake of spam
>>45180685>HER SURGERY ACTUALLY WENT WELL, QUICK TELL HER SHE DOESNT PASS!! MORE SURGERY MORE BUTCHERING MORE BUTCHERINGwhy can't y'all niggas be normal kek unless ur just already phobic chud
>>45183543china is unironically as close to modern day natsoc you can get
>>45183419I think 15k would be reasonable for a maximum amount, its 5x more than a breast implant because its a much more complicated surgery, takes skill to perform, and it drastically improves your life. If its 25k+ then it starts to become just wholly inaccessible to people who live in rural areas or where there are no well-paying jobs and everyone is on welfare. Those people should have access to the same medical interventions that the rest of us do, its only fair
Ffs is butcheryWe need acceptance for clocky girls
>>45179093>>45179115Tommy Liu
>>45180085If you don't have a good canvas IE the shit surgery can't change, there is no saving you. doesn't matter what surgeon you go to
>>45190559Least obvious CIA post
>>45188017You've fallen for propaganda, my friend. https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/
>>45184265Type 3 forehead reconstruction RhinoplastyLip liftSliding genioplasty and chin contouring
>>45190653>Sliding genioplastyoof
this thread reminded me why I hate socialists, you go to school for a decade and train up for scraps
>>45183444the transbians who don't shower won't like this one
I hate rossi so much but i hate myself even more for going to him. he fucked me up so bad.left is post rossi butchering and right is post QQ ffs. >Why did you go to rossi in the first placeI was poor and desperate and couldn't wait to save to go to a real surgeon
>>45190619No one would notice the difference; you’d be a gigapassoid.
>>45192290what a depressing photo.
>>45192296is it better?
>>45179028>Fallen Chin.Its over
>>45190802Y oof I need it
>>45183419How about you're not entitled to the expertise of a cosmetic suegeon in regards to a vanity procedure.
>>45192214surprised face
>>45192214After doesn't look great but it beats the before.Why do your eyes look saggy
>>45192214Is it really butchering if it's repairable
>>45184237>he is a chaserIs he married to a trans woman?
>>45192214i feel like the one on the right looks really weird. my eye area also has like a weird untranny valley surgical look
>>45179028>mastoid process honthe silent killer, rip
>>45192847lmao
>>45192755Yeah he is now
>>45192873im so beyond serious
I've put ffs off for years because all of the botch results
>>45192214what is it exactly that QQ does to the eye area that makes literally everyone who went to him look the same in that part of the face? i can't describe it but i know several people who went to him and they all look the same especially the eyes. it's not necessarily a bad thing and i like his surgical work generally but i wonder if it's because he's more aggressive than most surgeons with this part.
>>45192894It's not just him a lot of surgeons just go overboard with the orbits giving a weird unnatural bug-eyed look look
>>45179057the screen grab dates it as 2 years ago but iirc it happened like 6 or 7 years ago. Honestly someone should post a deepfried version of it it's so old.
>>45192894the way the eyebrows are lifted up? it's called a blepharoplasty and it's very trendy right nowpersonally i think a lot of surgeons really overdo it and it makes you look like you're permanently surprised
>>45192894too much lift
Is there any surgeon that won't bog people's eyes or give them weird hairlines
>>45192894I went to him for forehead and orbital work and don't think my eyes have that look so idk what happened there. I did emphasize to him I wanted it to be lowkey and as natural looking as possible without beautification though.
>>45192614my 20s were rough and ive yet to do a blepharoplasty>>45192695some things werent really repairable but it was improved upon by a lot>>45192894>>45192909i think it's just the result of aggressive ffs.I didnt have my eyebrows surgically lifted nor did i have an upper bleph, i just raised them a bit to better show the area
>>45192937>without beautificationYou are already on the table, why the hell would you not get your money's worth
>>45192902i was wondering if it was something to do with the orbits being overdone yeah. i think having not completely smooth orbits can actually be a good thing and adds character to the face but i'm not an expert so i could be talking nonsense.>>45192909>>45192914the eyebrows too but it's not what i'm noticing.
>>45192821I think you look good
>>45192943because I already passed and wanted my features that were not female-typical to be female-typical or at least close to that. The more you change something the higher chance of getting botched and I'd rather be slightly less attractive but still me than a botched untranny valley doll
>>45192945Completely flat looks just plain unnatural, like don't get me wrong, so does having too much projection, but there is a goldilocks area a surgeon should stick to. Same reason you see a lot of cis women create a cut crease with eyeshadow, some shadow there does look good.
>>45192943beautification looks awful when you don't need it
Where do you even get good FFS in the US in general?
>>45192957yeah i see. i think i have pretty nice orbits (a very bonepilled former friend of mine saw a CT scan of my skull and told me so lol) and i also just have a fair amount of forward facial growth and so i think i would look a bit weird if they got totally flattened. idk if other surgeons do the same thing, the thing is that almost all the trannies i've known who had FFS went to QQ because i lived in paris for a long time and he was like the go-to local surgeon then even before he got famous internationally. so i can't really compare much because i haven't really met many patients of other surgeons, in my country most trannies just never get FFS because it's so expensive and we get doubly fucked over with exchange rates because we have our own currency, it's brutal lol
>>45180743If you're going to be like this you should probably look women of different ethnicities and consider the fact that some women just look mid.
>>45192887Who is the wife?
>>45183186I googled and apparently his wife is cis. You lied to me! So is he doing surgeries on transwomen to transform them to look like his wife? Is the work good?
>>45193012It's not like that. She is pretty but in order to cope with being a repper I need to pull everyone down.
>>45192298kek
>>45193031That’s his ex wife in the photo and yes all his patients seem to resemble her
>>45193040Who is the new wife?
>>45179028Even a high profile tranny like Jazz Jennings got scammed.
>>45183508>Money can and does exist in a socialist economythen socialism is meaningless
>>45180165I said out loud, "Can still tell it is a troon on a dating app; would swipe no." That is my reference point lol. I just know if I saw it on Tinder, I would yell "THAT'S A MAN"
>>45191095So all of them? Does anyone remember the dude on reddit who says that now he is a transwoman he washes his ass because it is "feminine" and never used to wash it before. WHAT
>>45194175>"Can still tell it is a troon on a dating app; would swipe no.">I would yell "THAT'S A MAN"cringe afyou have to be 18 or older to use this site
Chaser ffs suegeon is a horror movie plot
>>45179028Most of it is a scam. Better yet I'd go so far to say that this is one of the biggest ways to launder money. Ask yourself why a lot of European countries partially or fully cover this bullshit.I know what reaction I will get but I also know no one who is against this book actually read this book. This book is fully right in that transpeople are being used just to make money over corpses, much like the rest of the industry this is all part of.It's a sad fact.
>>45195550>Ask yourself why a lot of European countries partially or fully cover this bullshit.this is a terrible example most euro countries will give you hondose pills and temu SRS and expect you to pay for whatever else on your own dime (and no you cannot block puberty to avoid needing to do that)
>>45195573>and expect you to pay for whatever else on your own dimeHow wrong you are to think so narrow. This bullshit isn't just SRS and hormones you fool.
>>45195550Trans surgery is an absurdly small part of medical costs or even plastic surgery costs, people dismiss your book because it's obviously singling out trans stuff because its icky.
>>45194137Socialism just means the means of production is owned/controlled by the people. You still earn wages at a job which you use to buy goods and services.Nobody has ever built a functioning Marxist utopia. It probably can't be done, because human beings are evil and will corrupt any system you build for their own disproportionate benefit.
>>45195573I think it's amazing that like the medical care or lack thereof for trannies directly inspires trannies to go to desperate measures such as getting the chop in the first placeIt's almost comical>Yeah we're not gonna actually give you a legitimate high dose of hrt so ur body feminizes >No you need a endocrinologist letter of hondosification to be eligible for srs yes>Gets butchered>Still doesn't passLike ........I can't be the only one nooOOticing this rightId rly rather do bathtub estrogen that actually feminizes my body so that I don't need to axewound cope in the first place
>>45192919
>>45192361I am entitled to it
>>45196294it's funny because in my country they have it set up to take years before you can start hrt but they apparently see diy as proof you are trutrans and it can help your case with themthey hate us so fucking much it's unreal
>>45195236they made it and said it was a horror it wasnt
>>45179028
>>45199778She posts her pics on reddit. Unable to close her mouth, or keep her eyebrows in a relaxed position.
>>45199913Horrifying
>>45199778it's not that bad, she looks cute at least
>>45199965be fr
>>45199778>>45199953>>45199990finally an aggressive FFS
>>45200036het doc reduce my quality of life to 0 and turn me into a human blow up doll
>>45179735everyone says only the one in brazil is good, idk specifics
>>45200084not aggressive enough
>>45179028What if they botch the surgery and you end up bogged?
>>45194280LMFAO. I hope it pisses you off. Not cringe, just true. The way I swipe these days is "pretty, ew that's a man, meh she's okay, oml another trans-identfied male, this one is balding, oh great sissy katie is back again" the last one is real :) It probably irks you because according to tinder and other apps, only 1-2% of cis lesbians (aka biological women) actually even go on a date with you. I am just reminding you of that fact.It is much more cringe to be a grown ass man going "hi im a princess transbian :3 I want to commit arson" also bios I have seen
Rossi (for the price) is actually decent. The only better option on a budget is probably QQ in France, but he has unironic 2 year long waiting lists. I feel the problem is that people expect miracles while going for budget. Rossi made my jaw smaller, and brow non existent and thats all I needed to be happy. But I was already quite pretty before hand. If I didnt look like a clone of my mother with a bigger jaw. I would probably need to shill out 100k too, which just wasn't happening considering i was homeless 2 years before getting FFS. Basically had to scrape every cent to even get the basics since I was born a third world slav.
>>45198053God, I wish that were me
>>45179028They could have gone to facial team in 2015 and gotten full ffs for the same price or less then Rossi. She most likely went for the more aggressive option. Rolled the dice, paid the price.Rossi = Solo surgeon. Only does xrays and essential vibe checks every surgeryFT = Inhouse developed computer modelling software based of CT scans that creates a framework for the surgeons to work off. Team of surgeons, each handling a specific section of the face.Picrel is my FT forehead work for comparison with ops image
>>45202515but... but... facial team bad...
>>45199778>>45199953>>45199990She looks like she was surprised but her eyebrows stayed surprised.
>>45202515>I went to ftSo you're a hon lol? Show a real life photo instead of CT scans.Most people on fts website look worse after and they hate beautification
>>45202645>beautification
>>45202645>PicrelYup massive hon here. >Most people on fts website look worse after and they hate beautification Yeah because most who agree to be on their website are a hon. They use brutal before shots and also use post op photos from only 10 days post op.They've begged me on multiple occasions to be one of their advertisements but there's no amount of money would I consent to having my before pics on an FFS site lol.
>>45202872the facialteam hate is forced, they have some of the best results i've seen and i love how natural they look. You mog, but i think as with all their best results your facial structure was probably not so bad.
I paid ~$72k for DB and I'm pretty happy with my results. I haven't been misgendered to my face since my surgery and have had lots of people assume I'm cis (which I don't get but w/e). If you don't want Ariana Grande forehead then his forehead/brow work is some of the best. My trach shave went well too.His nose work is definitely his weak point though. Goes way too thin and looks very plastic. If you go to DB go conservative on the rhinoplasty or get it done somewhere else. I'm happy enough with mine but it is a little asymmetric.Also he charged $10k for a chinplasty which I thought was insane.
>>45203476post face
Where should I go in Europe if I just need hairline forwarding and chin reshaping/reduction?
>>45203794not a chance anon. posting face on 4chan is dumb as hellalso i'm ugly which people would latch onto. but i was ugly before FFS too and I wasn't expecting FFS to change that
>>45204154post CT scans
>>45203476i wish i had gone to DB instead of Keo for a revision but i think DB is a lot more selective with his patients, i get misgendered like once or twice a year which sucks
>>45183430I'm on state insurance in massachusetts and the options suck. the only named ffs medicaid surgeon is spiegel. fuck that. I'll find a way to get the money and pay for a real one. I shouldn't have to though, fuck the ffs monopoly, if this was a functional country the government would fund the training and practice of good surgeons. >>45183444you don't know how these things work
>>45202872Iwnbaw I'm going to kill myself
>>45204179I don't have any after CT scans. Just befores which is boring>>45204383Most surgeons do not like doing revision work from other surgeons>DB instead of KeoI thought Keojampa was good?
>>45206791he is good if you know what type of work you need, but like, he's not amazingly opinionated. he did do what i asked him for and his work is good, like in principle i think i'd even go back to him for some other stuff, but i think db is better in the sense that he has a better eye for aesthetics and is way more opinionated
>>45203476I actually think DB did a good job on my nose from especially on a previously botched rhino, but I'm a complete outlier since his noses are a defiantly hit or miss
So I'm not trans but OP is a shitpost, right? That reads like fucking nightmare fuel.
>>45207706it really happened, 10 years ago
>>45204383I went to Facial Team and it's been almost a year, been gendered correctly twice. This is whilst wearing work uniform and not speaking, so it's not how I dress nor voice. Probably 1000 sirs to every 1 ma'am. Even the FT taxi drivers were calling me sir. Not complaining about that nor being an afterthought throughout the whole thing though, after all what right do I, a tranny, have to complain?It's fine though, they took away half of the visceral disgust I see when I look in the mirror. I went from looking in the mirror makes me want to kill myself, to looking in the mirror makes me want to kill myself (slightly less).
>>45208569This is why facial team is crap, they are nowhere near aggressive enough and if they are going to be this conservative and purposely not beautify then should be charging way lower then what they currently do
>>45208569post face
If you're already stealth is an aggressive surgeon a bad idea?
>>45209560It's probably ok
what do you guys think of the newer italian surgeons like coiante and beneduce? this is a jaw result from coiante that caught my eye. qassemyar's waitlist is too long now and none of the other french surgeons really stand out to me so i'm looking elsewhere. the italians seem more expensive so it would have to be worth my while.
