start tolerating religion

>>45201057
Y'all don't need sports you chuds. Some tranny fractured two women's skulls another groped a woman. Fuck right off

>>45201236
Do you believe transgender women should be professional female bodybuilders?

>>45201239
i think there should be no women's leagues and everyone who competes gets exposed to radioactive waste so they develop x-men powers, because that's the only scenario i can see where i ever give a single fuck about professional sports

>>45201239
No, it isn't fair; biological males retain 70% more upper-body strength. Protect ACTUAL women's sports.

it's funny how the people who hate trannies in women's sports also hate women's sports in general

>>45201358
I just think that, as long as there's women's divisions, they should be held to the standards of the average biological woman. Maybe with co-ed teams, none of this will matter, but I won't hold my breath.

>>45201358
>also hate women's sports in general
they want to abolish women's sports and send them back to the kitchen. banning trannies was the first step.

>>45201334
>No, it isn't fair; biological males retain 70% more upper-body strength. Protect ACTUAL women's sports.

If a trans women transitions prior to male puberty as a child and she never experienced the testosterone-driven physical development associated with male puberty, why should she not be allowed to compete?

>>45201393
>they should be held to the standards of the average biological woman.
where should trans women compete?

>>45201411
In the co-ed division.

>>45201417
see >>45201409

>>45201409
They don't have an answer for this because they want to ban transitioning for minors entirely

>>45201057
>Billionaire tax
Charging people for the ''privilege'' of keeping their money. That's some cartel shit.
It's not a tax on income, which I agree that could be raised on billionaires.
It's a 'tax' on all your assets. A government shakedown. Setting a precedent that all your networth (the money and things you kept after already being heavily taxes on your income, purchases, etc), can be 'taxed', is total lunacy.
If you think that once the precedent is set, money hungry government would never expand that to the middle class, then I have a bridge to sell you in SF.

>>45201057
>voter access
Requiring a voter to verify their identity and immigration status, in a country where 50 million people were born in FOREIGN countries, is merely common sense.
Thinking that black people can't find the DMV, is outright racist.

>>45201409
>If a trans women transitions prior to male puberty as a child and she never experienced the testosterone-driven physical development associated with male puberty,
Is that a requirement?
Name all the sports orgs that require such thing.

>>45201411
Men's category or Trans category.
Respect cis women.

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it's not about equality. it's about equity. you guys keep making this bad faith argument that sports are fair as if genetic freaks don't already compete.

segregation in sport isn't about fairness. equality would mean no segregation in sports and they'd all compete in the same league. equality in sport means the abolishment of women's leagues entirely.

the segregation of the leagues is about equity. it's about being charitable to a minority that was otherwise under represented because they consistently failed to compete with their peers at the same level.

to say you don't want to accept trans women in women's sports means you want to gatekeep womanhood as you believe not all women are deserving of equitable treatment.

it's not that the left can't define what a woman is. it's that religious zealots spread creationism. basic biology is a dog whistle for creationism. they want to enact christian theocracy and persecute those that don't subscribe to their faith.

the paradox of tolerance is tolerating these religious people that have beliefs that aren't grounded in reality. sometimes it means having difficult and critical conversations with them. other times it means disengaging with them because nothing you say will change their mind.

it's not about trans people becoming immaculate women. it's about society extending to them the same charities they extend to other women. the problem is society hates women, so any chance it gets to put women down it engages in it.

trans rights are human rights because often times the persecution of trans women calls into question womens rights like their right to privacy regarding their private health conditions. the republicans don't believe a woman is entitled to that liberty which is what the over turning of woe v wade implied. the whole premise was that a woman getting an abortion is her private medical procedure conducted by a trained medical professional.

to further that last point: how do you know a woman got an abortion if you didn't violate her right to privacy?

that's the whole point.

how do you know what's in the tranny's pants if you didn't violate their right to privacy?

>>45202295
>how do you know what's in the tranny's pants if you didn't violate their right to privacy?
You're pretending that looks aren't what we go by.
And that it works 99% of times.
Looking at someone's face. Hearing their voice. That's not a violation of privacy.

>>45202322
then you're engaging in sex based discrimination with is in violation of title ix

>>45202284
>bad faith argument that sports are fair
Bullshit.
Everyone knows that sports aren't fair. Individual athletes have physical advantages over the regular people.
Still, people like watching said people play.
But, as usual, trannies want to say that because some lucky freaks of nature have an advantage, then they should be able to play with and against cis women.
Male and female bodies are fundamentally different. You want to see both sexes perform with all their lucky physical traits.
Also, notice how it's mostly male athletes the ones with uber lucky traits. Michael Jordan, Micharl Phelps, Usaian Bolt.
You may be a 'woman', but that doesn't mean that you're also a female. It's not that hard to understand.

>>45202337
No.
That'd be ''gender discrimination'', which isn't a thing. Because title IX didn't include gender until Biden's EO.
And gender being on title IX, was revoked by Trump.
And schools under title IX have no standards on hrt on transition length. High school and below requirements are literally ONLY self identification.

>>45202349
no it's sex based discrimination because you're discriminating against them based upon perceived sex based characteristics that you ascribe value to based upon stereotypes revolving around sex. ie, they can't be a woman because they have xy chromosomes is sex based discrimination. not gender based.

>>45202341
so if sports aren't fair, what reason is there to keep trans women out of women's sports other than you don't want to treat them as women because of beliefs not founded in reality? you admit genetic freaks dominate sports, but you don't want to concede that trannies are genetic freaks because it undermines your entire creationist dog whistle of man and women being immaculate in god's image as if there's no outliers as a result of genetic mutation involved in evolution.

to say they can't be women is not rooted in evolutionary biology. to say it's unnatural is ignorant of the reality of sex changes in the animal kingdom.

>>45202373
So looks are discrimination
And a doctor's note stating your sex is a violation of privacy.
In conclusion, you want self identification to be the law of the land.
>>45202373
>they can't be a woman because they have xy chromosomes is sex based discrimination. not gender based.
Sports have NEVER been segregated through gender. The categories are SEX segregated. Stop pretending you don't know that.
Male and Female categories.
Men and women are the names for it, because for 99% of the population, their sex and their gender are the SAME.

>>45202373
>so if sports aren't fair, what reason is there to keep trans women out of women's sports
Again playing dumb by pretending that the category is 'women' and not FEMALE.
Using the word female, seems outdated, so we say women, aka FEMALE humans.
Playing word games to sneak your way into the FEMALE category, is absolute bullshit.
Males aren't Females. Trans people don't have birth defects. They're either male or female.
And I'm an atheist.

>>45202373
>to say they can't be women
I never said it.
They can't be female, is what I said.
Do you agree or disagree, that trans women are NOT female?

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>>45202242
>xe doesn't know about property tax

>>45202462
Property tax is for services and schools. And I did include it in my comment.
A 'tax'; on your net worth, would mean a 'tax' on top of the property tax and all the other numerous taxes you already pay.

>>45202242
> If you think that once the precedent is set, money hungry government would never expand that to the middle class, then I have a bridge to sell you in SF.

Based, fuck the middle class. Raise their property taxes too.

>>45202472
You're most likely considered to be middle class.
If you're a neet, then your parents/life sponsor is most likely considered to be middle class.
Poverty
Careful what you wish for.

>>45202497
I just hate homeowners.

>>45202471
and a wealth tax... wouldn't be for services?

>>45201057
I live in Washington and voted “no”.
Not that I care about women’s sports, but because I think it’s funny to remind women of their inferiority.

>>45202523
>and a wealth tax... wouldn't be for services?.
No.
Name the public services that you use, by keeping your own money (already highly taxed in several ways).

>>45202498
Silly, if property taxes are raised, then your rent also goes up.
>Tax me harder, government.
Total nonsense.

>>45202950
Apartment buildings should be exempt. I mean that single family houses should have much higher property taxes.

>>45203071
>Apartment buildings should be exempt
Under what reasoning?
Does every apartment renter/owner, not have the same need for accessing public services, at the same rate of people living in homes?

>>45202940
you mean on a national level? well, TONS of federal funds go into roads. plus, most of the wealth tax proponents also want nationalized healthcare, so there's that. government subsidies make food cheaper. i went to a government-funded physical therapist last year (they closed because trump cut their funding), and government funds go to the place i get my hrt at. the school i go to receives federal funds. i've been to the smithsonian and to national parks before. i've watched pbs programs which used to be mostly funded by congress until trump cut them and i've been sad to see them grt a bit worse since they had to cut back on budget. i'd also like to see the rails nationalized so passenger rail can stop being barely faster than a coach. on a local level, my sewage is handled by the town, plus, y'know, the police and the fire department. i've used the local bus system a bit, and i'd like to see it expanded. plus, i absolutely love the local parks

>>45203267
You already pay for those through all the taxes mentioned.
Name the specific public services that you use, by keeping YOUR money.

>>45203267
You need a road to keep your money?
You cost money to public hospitals, by keeping your money?
You use government subsidies to keep your money?
You dig a hole in a national park, to bury and keep your money?
Don't be obtuse on purpose.

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>>45202404
Sex is a dimmer, not a switch.
In the womb, the same tissues are sculpted by hormones into male or female forms ("homologous structures"). Hormone therapy flips those same switches: trans women on estrogen grow breasts like any woman's; trans men on testosterone even develop some prostate tissue.

Chromosomes don't define sex: roughly two-thirds of cis women carry Y-chromosome DNA in their brains and organs from past pregnancies, yet nobody calls them male. Gamete-based definitions crumble with IVG, which can turn skin cells into sperm or eggs.

Sex is a spectrum, and hormone therapy moves a person along it. Transition isn't a rejection of biology: it's a medically guided navigation of the grey area where male and female traits overlap.
Citations.
Hormone therapy changes gene expression toward the affirmed sex:
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220228/Study-shows-the-impact-of-gender-affirming-hormone-therapy-on-epigenetic-signature-of-genes.aspx

Male/female tissue production:
https://archive.is/UUwHt
https://archive.is/tYB8f

Anyone's skin cells can be turned into either sperm or eggs (IVG):
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/05/27/1177191913/sperm-or-egg-in-lab-breakthrough-in-reproduction-designer-babies-ivg

Basic anatomy: male/female sex organs "homologous structures" already alike in the womb, and change with hormones. Likewise, postnatal hormones change how they are.
https://uen.pressbooks.pub/anatomyphysiology2/chapter/homologous-structures-in-the-male-female/
https://www.meddean.luc.edu/lumen/meded/grossanatomy/pelvis/homology.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_related_male_and_female_reproductive_organs

Most cisgender women carry Y chromosomes in their bodies:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32065627/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16084184/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458919/

>>45202497
am middle class, am willing to pay more in taxes if it meant billionaires get taxed more. The amount of money hoarded by them and their bias influence over both politics and the marketplace have created an abusive cartel like environment in their unchallengeable favor. Fuck them.

>>45201057
stop tolerating faith

>>45203524
You could make laws that forbid them from meddling in politics and such.
No need to give government even more of your hard earned money, so some billionaire's influence in politics gets downgraded.
>''I'm willing to pay more taxes''
That's absolute nonsense. It's your money. But feel free to send a check to the IRS/your county's tax collectors, and live your desire to pay more taxes.

>>45203567
Billionaires hoard vast VAST amounts of money like literal dragons of mythology.
>just pass laws to forbid it
hasn’t stopped the massive resources they have at hand to influence everything around said laws to accomplish their goals in both influencing as well as unraveling said laws. The best course forward is taxing them harder. No one fucking needs more than a couple million dollars to live comfortably. Billionaires are parasites, so yes i wouldn’t mind paying more in taxes if the richest 0.001% are forced to pay up more and actually contribute to society instead of methodically rob everything of its worth.

>>45203467
>>45203482
ohhh i totally misunderstood the question! i've literally never thought of individual types of taxes as being one-to-one to specific services before. i don't see why you would ever think of them that way.
well, to answer your question, when someone tries to steal my money, the government steps in and stops them or punishes them for stealing my money. the government protects my money through the rule of law.
this is also kind of a silly question because i'm not the target of this kind of tax. i don't have the kind of wealth that isn't already being taxed through property taxes. i hope why you can understand why i misunderstood now.

>>45201091
Start enforcing faith

>>45203591
>Billionaires hoard vast VAST amounts of money like literal dragons of mythology.
Yes.
Because they own multinational corporations.
would you rather they base their companies in other countries?
>>45203591
I'd agree with reforming worker's rights. Give more power to workers. Better salaries, protection from firing without a reason, healthcare benefits, etc.
But outright paying government for the 'benefit' of keeping your own money, is outrageous.
>>45203591
>actually contribute to society instead of methodically rob everything of its worth.
I don't believe they're magnanimous nor generous.
But saying they're robbing society, is hyperbole.
>>45203591
>No one fucking needs more than a couple million dollars to live comfortably
People think of the future. Cementing a future for their children and grandchildren.
If people knew that all they get to keep is ''a few millions'', then no one would make any extra effort. Inventors and such, would flee to a country that lets them keep their own HARD EARNED money.
I'm 100% against an inefficient government getting even more of my money.

>>45201239
many professional female bodybuilders are unwittingly ftm

>>45203808
>when someone tries to steal my money, the government steps in and stops them or punishes them for stealing my money. the government protects my money through the rule of law.
So cartel protection.
Also, I don't believe government is effective in keeping you safe from getting your money/stuff stolen.
Yeah, I get it. Sorry for the rude questioning.

>>45203808
All taxes need to have a reasoning behind it.
Telling people, ''you have too much money, give me a cut or I'll confiscate it all''. That's theft, not taxation.

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>>45203524
>>45203591
>middle class
>can only resort to feelgood slopulism about """the ultra rich"""
checks out

i want the whole system down bitch just move to europe if you want better welfarism

>>45204482
theft under capitalism is defined by the state retard

>>45204496
>I can't tell figurative vs literal speech.

>>45204521
>folds at the most minor pushback
so youre just a sloganeering midwit

>>45204540
what?
Theft.
I consider it equivalent to a cartel boss charging you 'protection fee', so your money stays safe.
Make a valid argument, gincel.

>>45204460
>many professional female bodybuilders are unwittingly ftm
They didn't socially transition however. Social transition is far more important than medical.

>>45204726
hormones are a huge factor

>>45204626
lol why are you mad when youre unable of moving past rhetoric? genuine massive midwit

>>45204482
>>45204626
Lolberts are so retarded they're physically incapable of actually understanding and analyzing the system they glaze so much. You can't have capitalism without a state, the state is a historical necessity of capital accumulation, taxes are literally optimizing capitalism, they aren't "commie shit".

>>45204779
>hormones are a huge factor
I have had sex with several as a cis guy. Even sucked off one of their massive roided out clit and bare backed one. I don't think I was having sex with guys. One of them kept pushing me when she was talking about her problems, like some kind of dude bro.

Alot of them are pretty transphobic btw, despite their masculine look.

>>45204779
what?
You're not making any point.

>>45204805
>taxes are literally optimizing capitalism, they aren't "commie shit".
Never called them it.
A tax on wealth is nonsense. Keeping your own money, after taxes, costs $0 to the government.
Not a libertarian either.

>>45204626
Taxes are your obligation to the social contract. If you don't agree with it, go live in the forest.

voted today
they moved the usual spot

>>45202284
>it's not about trans people becoming immaculate women. it's about society extending to them the same charities they extend to other women. the problem is society hates women, so any chance it gets to put women down it engages in it.
What a load of bullshit.

>>45204441
the rest of us are against a government that permits oppressive billionaires to extort, and subject whole nations to enshittification of both our working lives and basic needs. Plenty of the rest of the world have made due planning future generations on FAR LESS than a couple million. Billionaires don’t need to be fucking billionaires (or trillionaires for that matter). Their actions have massive negative consequences on the rest of the human population that have to share this miserable rock with them.

>>45204483
>accelerationists unironically holding the belief that it’s the only path forward under corruption
bare bones iq level

>>45207810
>Plenty of the rest of the world have made due planning future generations on FAR LESS than a couple million.
No they haven't.

>>45202255
nta but off the top of my head that's what the olympic committee said abt swimming, blockers before 13 and/or puberty, whichever came first
i think it's retarded and an effective ban but who cares what i think im just some faggot