Same precautions as before. Don't let the terrorists win.

>>45203850
Make your boundaries clear up front. Be discerning in who you hook up with.

Humans were never supposed to be nonchalant about sex lol, you have to give yourself psychosis to get to that point and it always feels bad so stop doing it

>>45203909
i guess ?

idk for me sex is like intimate connection, but all the girls around me sorta get scared off if you aren’t the type of person who wants casual hookups without anything further.

>>45203921
idk how i can function as a trans lesbian if i can’t handle having casual sex. it seems like the only way people end up dating is via having it.

>>45204252
I recommend dating a Real Lesbian

>>45204272
That would require becoming a Real Woman
>>45204252
Monogamy and stability is for straights, either numb yourself to the thought of a stranger blowing loads in your mouth or accept a never ending cycle of getting close to someone, getting used for sex, and being hurt when they stereotypically reveal that they're fucking 8 different people

>>45204272
wdym a real lesbian? majority of cis girls aren’t into me unless they’re fetishizing, and those cis girls are still doing casual hookups a lot. i also worry about cis girls being completely averse to topping a trans girl bleh.

>>45204317
i think i just need to kill myself desu

this shit makes me regret transitioning, i coulda just had reckless druggy debauchery until i eventually killed myself, but now ive transitioned and i cant let myself do that.

>>45204325
A Real Lesbian is a cis woman who is exclusively attracted to trans women and has never had sex with a cister in sin. There are few and far between, but they form a healthy symbiotic relationship where the cis woman redeems herself from her vile AFAB nature by caring for and fucking the trans woman, and the trans woman's self-esteem is boosted by being so desired.

>>45204374
i would probably feel too fetishized in that type of relationship desu

>>45204343
Yep, being a tranny is hard. For people who are struggling with a ton of shit I find the choice fucking baffling. No job, no friends, no mental health, but yeah sure I'll do the hardest thing imaginable and try to become a passing tranny on top of it all. If you can't walk it back just live with it ig, learn to monkmode and prepare yourself for your 30s when everything goes to shit anyway and you realize all the shit you did to transition is just there so Father Time can take a bat to it every day you exist past the age of 33.

>>45204404
i have a job, i have some friends

i dont think i can walk this back without getting top surgery at this point, and ive had laser so id be fully ftm moding other than dick.

idk if i can monkmode. i did that for first couple/few years of hrt telling myself that there is something out there for when i can put myself out there again. but now im facing no decent relationship for the entirety of my 20s, and only sparse hookups that make me doom for the entirety of my transition.

i think if i get to 30 without any change in this then im going to have to just end it.

>>45204238
So weird. I don't get my peers who just want sex as a female. I guess I get the ideology from shitty partners but like, I feel like I physically cannot slut about just for fun, so I don't get it.

Even if I were born cis and looked like a super model, it would be the same. I fear a really negative outcome that comes naturally for some men. I just won't fuck someone I don't trust and love.

>>45204446
Man if your 30s are on a distant horizon and this is how it currently is you need to make some serious changes because you'll get there in what, 8 or 9 years and if you don't have a rock solid foundation, or at least some idea of who you are, it's just gonna be hard. People enter their 30s with all the good stuff their earned in their 20s and they exit their 30s with things shot full of holes that they never thought could fail. Stay the course and careermax then, your relationships might not be great but maybe you can hold onto some kind of looks and at least have a house to live in or something.

>>45204477
I'm more broken than you ig

>>45204404
>No job, no friends, no mental health, but yeah sure I'll do the hardest thing imaginable and try to become a passing tranny on top of it all.
passing is a more attainable goal than finding long term employment, friends, or fixing my mental health. isn't that sad?

>>45204477
i was more able to do the casual no strings hookups as a man because like, i was already kinda dissociated from my body and i just had a role to fill, and i was just trying to prove that i was the “man” that i internally felt i wasn’t. i do wonder if a lot of women do this sorta thing as a rejection of normality, to put themselves in the position that men would hold in heteronormative relations. i just don’t know why that has to then be pushed onto lesbians who were already forgoing the patriarchy.

>>45204488
i’m on disability and work in childcare, i don’t really feel any motivation to build a better career or to work enough to be no longer receiving disability. i just see it as me becoming scrooge like, bitter because i can’t get something deeper and only existing because of commodities.

>>45204488
also, i’m not getting there in 8-9 years. i am 27. i have less than 3 years.

>>45203921
Originally we were all sluts, men too. But feudalism linked sex and thus starting a family, with power structures. Who you fucked changed power structures. So we were the gatekeepers to our family trees, we had to be cordial, maidens. Feudalism was so long we sometimes think that's just how we are but it isn't how we've always been. Tribal and nomad times were 10x longer than feudalism. Crazy huh? So we can do both. It just depends on what's going on. Like today some men are really harmful for women so I don't feel safe being a slut today so I'm not. Others do feel safe probably because they're not near those types, so they do.

>>45204561
Oof. I'm not trying to drag you down or make you feel bad but that's the age, past the age, where you should have locked in your plan for your 30s, 40s and beyond... I don't mean in a self actualization way, but some vague notion of "that are the life milestones I need to hit to ensure my continued quality of life as I age," things like career, housing, and so on... IDK much about disability but that might entitle you to enough that it takes a lot of that pressure away, I guess it's a life of section 8 and dollar general groceries, but it's something. But with nothing else at 27 IDK. Best of luck, you never know, you might hit 40 and discover a group of people who want to date grannytrannies.

>>45204404
>Monkmode
I strive so much to dress like a maiden/monk but I'll get so much social criticism I haven't. But I really want to. I pass it's not that, I identify as a girl who wears a bell dress, robe, and maybe headscarf. And it's very stark because I last went through a Midwestern phase which makes sense to want such an opposite change to freshen it up, but I've wanted this off and on since I was young and never have been socially allowed to so it's just building under the surface to want to 1700s village girl out. I'll join you guys. A girl near me who's boymoding went for a headscarf recently and it retriggered this. If she comes out I might become her twin even tho I'm stealth. I really strive for it that bad. But it's about to be winter so hopefully in spring not now.

>>45204660
yeah i guess i just have to kill myself. whatever 3 more years to get back into opiates seen as this shit is all for nothing.

>>45204674
Tbqh if you're planning for a far off suicide you should also make a backup life plan so you don't get to 30 and decide to give it "a few more years," repeat a few times, and you're 47 and more worse off than you could ever imagine. You don't have to take my word for it but harsh living conditions sometimes aren't enough, you might find yourself in a position where you just can't do it, and have to live with the consequences of ignoring reality for too long. That gets harder and harder every year, so...plan accordingly.

>>45204709
i don’t think there’s really anything i could plan to do from this point onward though. like you said i’m too late.

>>45204731
I mean idk your life, or anything about disability, but I mean you probably could just exist in government housing once whatever you're doing now falls through. People go cradle to grave like that so you don't have to die for lack of resources, just lack of things to do.

>>45204520
Wow omg that makes so much sense! I remember watching feminists on shows as a kid where they would project being sensitive and wanting cuddles and a relationship onto men and I cringed at that never understanding. But that makes a lot of sense ... What a world when you're a sex commodity from the moment you're born. Because these women were stars, so they were attractive and probably were sexualized since they had curves and breasts. I just got rejected as a feminized male, so I was lonely but I wasn't sexed out to the point I reject the position just to be treated normal. Mind fuck

>>45204750
that was true 10 years ago, if you're in the US the laws have changed and it's not really possible to live that way anymore

>>45204492
You might be but I don't think being casual with sex or not has anything to do with it. I think it just has to do with where you are and how things are around you. I have sketch balls around me so I don't mess around.

>>45204780
i’m not in the US. i’m in canada.

>>45204750
how is sitting with this forever like actually a plan though? how is it sitting alone forever anything different from suicide?

>>45204780
Varies by state. Coastal states are fine. Move to New York, Maryland, California, Oregon or something and yeah you can just get on welfare. Won't be glamorous, won't be rich, you will have to file and appeal, it will take 5 years, but for that investment you basically get entrenched in section 8 housing, so that's secured. Yes it sucks if you get asshole neighbors, yes it smells like weed, yes it's scary at night, yes people check your doors about once a week. But. No work.

>>45204814
Because in one version you're dead and in the other version at least you can wake up, smoke weed, watch cartoons, and maybe have a few friends, and then you're dead lmao

>>45204838
why is suffering thru as a fucking loser better than suicide though?

>>45204855
How is this a question? Because one is nothing and the other is something. If you really disagree you would have roped as soon as you thought you had this revelation, but clearly you don't even buy your own reasoning, so

>>45204876
i’ve held on with this hope or idea that not actually a fucking loser or that i’m about to break out of it but it has seemingly become more and more impossible

>>45204913
Most people are fucking losers. Don't kid yourself, you'd look at some 40yo suburban couple inside a 200k dollar house driving around a 17 year old car and call them fucking losers, too.

>>45204928
they have a family though, i’m saying i’m gonna be sitting alone probably third wheeling and then going back to my room to smoke weed jerk off. i would rather have died with everyone thinking there was maybe some potential. they have a better image of me then.

>>45204946
I doubt it. Think from your perspective: who do you know that died young from a self inflicted circumstance that is still thought of well to this day by anyone other than close family? Nobody lionizes suicide, they just say "what a shame, of only they got help" and move on, so that's supposed to be better than waking up at 39 on a Saturday with nothing going on?

>>45204983
idk my friends would be sad but would probably have a better view of me than how i will end up, i also don’t think i can actually bear the reality of becoming that.

>>45204660
its funny to read people talk about "lock in your career bla bla" by your 30s, 40s, whatever
as if shit doesn't blow up for people, all the time, despite that. careers disappear. layoffs happen. accidents, illness, divorce, death, none of this is avoidable regardless of whether you "lock in a career at 30" cause you can lose it all at 35
hustle less

>>45205091
yeah it's just a privilege thing
most ppl are lucky if they can plan 1 month ahead

>>45205091
Mentally retarded take tbqh. You might as well say "why try, I'll just get hit by lightning." Black and white thinking doesn't survive contact with reality, learn to manage risk instead. The risk is: getting old as an invisible unlovable loser with no money, friends, or resources. How do you manage that risk? Get a skillset inside a career track, make some friends, save money, buy a home. Or don't lmao, because "you could lose it all."

>>45205091
i mean, if i had done all of that my life would probably be immensely different by now

>>45205124
getting a career like doesn’t really change the being alone part though, that’s still relying on the whim of dating market

>>45205134
One who cares, there's two threads being pulled on here and one is "how to live a live worth sharing" aka making sure you can take care of yourself as an adult and the other thread is dating, two I guarantee you that you're more attractive to many, MANY more people if you have your bills paid, a roof over your head, a car, and like at least 1,000 dollars just to spend outside of savings and shit.

>>45205134
Also with the previous logic WTF is the point of dating when you'll just lose it all lol

>>45205134
getting a girlfriend like doesn’t really change the unemployed part though, that’s still relying on the whim of labor market

>>45205160
i have a car (when license is reinstated), i pay my rent, i have about 10k sitting as my safety net/funds i sometimes eat into. i understand ur more attractive to someone when you have something to give them, but i also don’t really trust how real that is at the end of the day.

>>45205216
It's less about having something to give them and more about not having your life be a mess. The quality of partners you'll attract is pretty much tied directly to how stable you are. You can be hot and get laid but don't expect them to stay when they see you're a 30yo child, basically

>>45205216
it just depends on context. some will go after the broke but hot girl, others will go after the wealthy but mediocre girl, others have the luxury of waiting until they find someone who's both

>>45205178
sure but this entire post started with me dooming about the state of dating and casual sex within lesbian community

>>45205249
*as a man dressed like a woman trying to convince women to try out my well-beaten shai hulud

>>45205235
well the context is that girls only rlly approach for casual hookups.

i was used to casual hookups being something that actually lead to something more. now i’m dealing with girls who just want a casual hookup but also want to be as sweet and lovey to you as a relationship. i can’t deal with it.

>>45205260
sure whatever trans lesbians are just men but a lot of this frustration comes from interactions with trans lesbians specifically.

>>45205267
>delusional cumbrained perverts rejected by every corner of society cruising on 9,001 medications aren't great dating partners
ill fire up the printing press, the people need to know

>>45205292
okay cunt fuck off

>>45205297
admit you're HSTS and just date a man, sissy ...you CAN attract a man, right ?

>>45203850
I'm a full time cumpig, I invite guys and tell them to invite their friends and I just leave my door open and position myself on all fours on a bed. Guys can cum in me, on me, around me, piss in my ass, piss in my mouth etc. and I pay my bills by accepting tips (phone tap, physical cash etc.), people can tip as much or as little as they want or not at all but every month there's more than enough to pay my bills.

If you're interested send your discord and we can chat about it.

>>45205306
men have hit me up but i’d rather kill myself than resort to that

>>45205341
>i’d rather kill myself than resort to that
and yet you'll date another "transbian," you are certifiably cooked

>>45205315
no, why would i ever be interested in doing something like that?

>>45205369
even if i give you the biological sex argument, you act like “men” put in the amount of effort into feminizing that many transwomen do. you know when you said to give up and be HSTS that you meant to go for a typical man, not an estrogenized one that focuses on skin care and styling their hair in a cute fem way. like genuinely you mfs lose the argument, even a gay man who wants feminine dudes wouldn’t fuck an average guy.

>>45205374
>no, why would i ever be interested in doing something like that?
You literally made a thread asking
>how do i become nonchalant about sex again without getting raped
and I offered help, why are you being judgemental about this?

>>45205400
>you act like “men” put in the amount of effort into feminizing that many transwomen d
no actually, i don't. wtf is going on in your head that you think i thought men were "feminizing themselves?" ffs. you want twinks , it's not that deep bro

>>45205409
>why are you being judgemental about this
because they are an incel in the most oversexed community in the most oversexed period of time likely living in a very oversexed metro and they're here on 4tran bitching about their dry ass penis and quibbling over what's gay or not instead of just going and getting a partner

>>45205438
I don't think anywhere's oversexed it's just that the repression of prior times has worn away and now everyone can express themselves more fully.

>>45205455
Like 8 posts above yours there's a dude saying that he leaves his doors open for strangers to cum and piss on him and offering to explain the nuances, lol @ "not oversexed"

>>45205427
you basically said “you fuck transbian so why not fuck men”
logic implies you think men are doing the same things as transbians

>>45205409
yes, i asked how do it do without getting raped, your answer was essentially “it’s not rape if they pay ya!”

i’m not consensually putting myself into a situation that would effect me the same as rape

>>45205531
uh, no. logic says you're saying a dick haver. are there differences between some random guy who goes to the gym and showers with old spice, and some tranny? yea. you're just assuming we'll these people are when there's plenty, if not majority, of "trans lesbians" are low effort gooners who let a fetish go too far. so what's the difference between the average "transbian" and your typical skinnyfat guy? not much dude

>>45205486
Yeah, that's me. I also said piss in me (my mouth or ass) although people can piss on me too. That doesn't address anything I said. In prior times I'd have been called a weirdo and made to have a wife and kids, i'd have still want to be filled with piss and cum but unable to actualize that desire. In the freer world we have now I can be cummed and pissed in and on as much as I want. Your argument can also be used to say that being lgbt at all is a modern phenomenon because "in the 50s nobody was gay".

>>45205554
i don’t fuck the low effort gooners. case fucking closed.

>>45205564
according to this thread you don't fuck anyone, you ARE the low effort gooner, brodie

>>45205553
>yes, i asked how do it do without getting raped, your answer was essentially “it’s not rape if they pay ya!”
No, I said people *can* leave tips if they want. I don't ask people for money and people can donate *if* they choose to and in whatever amount they want. It's not about the money for me, I just use it to pay bills so I can continue being a cumpig. Would you say an artist who takes donations is just doing it for money?

>>45205563
that's not my point, my point is that doing degen shit is easier than ever and yet we still have weenies who cry about it even though they could hit the streets of any city on planet earth and be in whatever scenario they want within an hour.

>>45205553
>i’m not consensually putting myself into a situation that would effect me the same as rape
What effect would that be?

>>45205580
i’ve been fucking. my problem is that since transitioning, sex has become a lot more of an intimate connection thing than just a thing to do. girls approach, things happen, i get feelings and have to cut things off because i find out they’re poly or are just casual. i feel it also scares off potential partners if you hold off having sex because it’s a “deeper connection” thing or whatever.

>>45205591
i didn’t make any statement about artists, all i said is that what you do would effect me the same way rape would. i wouldn’t be nonchalant about sex but repulsed by it.

>>45205612
there is zero indication that you've been anywhere near to "fucking" given what responses can be attributed to you itt, you're a neurotic incel

>>45205594
i’m not whining about being unable to wind up in a sex encounter. i’m complaining more so about my incompatibility with how casual sex is within my community/dating market.

>>45205626
complaining about my experience with casual hookups somehow implies i have no experience with it? insane dawg

>>45205594
>my point is that doing degen shit
What makes it degen?

>yet we still have weenies who cry about it even though they could hit the streets of any city on planet earth and be in whatever scenario they want within an hour.
Well yeah, I'd offer to let him cum, piss or shit on me right now if we hit it off and he weren't such a prude. I don't let people do anything with shit usually though, not because I have any issue with it but because it'd greatly decrease the amount of traffic I'd get.

>>45205642
yes, because you're not describing reality lol, you're describing an incel fantasy.
>golly gosh gee fellow sex havers, is anyone else's lobster so buttery???
gay incel noises, basically

>>45205623
>all i said is that what you do would effect me the same way rape would.
No, what you said was
>yes, i asked how do it do without getting raped, your answer was essentially “it’s not rape if they pay ya!”
And I responded
which implies i'm a cumpig for money

I also asked >>45205605

>>45205636
>i’m complaining more so about my incompatibility with how casual sex is within my community/dating market.
your complaints are reasonable anon, I struggle with the same issues. they're just trolling you

>>45205667
what incel fantasy am i describing? please enlighten me

>>45205672
i told you the effect. becoming sex repulsed. that isn’t the same as nonchalant.

>>45205680
>there's how SO SO SO much sex everywhere and OH GOSH it's SO SO NAUGHTY, all the sex you see, it's just so casual! a gentle soul like me needs a lil romance, y'know? haha, all that casual sex really woke me up!
gay incel writing exercise

>>45205730
how is that a fantasy? are u even a trans girl who can witness this shit irl?

happens with my hookups, my roomates, my friends like come on dawg this is the shittiest troll attempt

>>45205742
>DAE all this buttery lobster?? even my roommates are noticing all the sex!
lil bro thinks he's Carrie

>>45205751
how is the lobster buttery if that’s not the kind of thing i want?

>>45205757
>OHHH all the sex! the sex! im melting from the sex ;(((
just shut up lmao, drydick

>>45205766
hope this helps you feel better faggot

>>45205825
uh no fact that im not a whiny fantasist incel helps me, unc

>>45205692
understood

>>45205871
are you mad that you aren’t in one of the over sexed metros?

>>45205889
He got your ass btw

>>45206280
how did he?