>>45220105
acceptance

You'll see that even though she's "AGP" - she still passes increasingly more throughout her transition. Many on the board could learn from this... + all cis women are AGP or something

true acceptance of reality would mean detransition for faketroons

>>45220105
Acceptance master race

Are there even non AGP trannies? If AGP = getting sexually aroused by the thought of being a woman or treated like a woman... isn't that alone a strong indicator that you are trans? I don't get it, is Dysphoria any different from AGP? And why does it matter? Transitioning seems like the solution in both cases.

>lack of transvestism
This applies to me. Does this mean I was fake AGP all along??

>>45220191
If the normies knew that the source of me wanting to be a woman was for erotic purposes, they would not want me to be a woman. I don't care about that. What I care about is being a neverpasser that's why I will never transition.

>>45220191
>is [debilitating medical condition] any different from [fetish]?
kys

>>45220205
I'm so sorry, anon. I'm not trans, so I can't relate, but that sounds hard. Neverpasser and getting advice from hons or luckshits, that it's never too late. Being a normal man vs an ugly hon??? Would it help, if you had a man who treats you like a woman and dominated you sexually? Or even cross dressing to fulfill your sexual desires?

>>45220225
Cross dressing might help but I wouldn't consider being with a man unless I was well into transition.

>>45220105
Nobody on this board can agree what any of these words mean

>>45220191
>And why does it matter?
It doesn't. But approximately nobody is ready for that conversation. Neither the mainstream nor the 'tru' trannies.
>>45220205
>>45220229
nta but most normies assume it's at least in part for erotic purposes anyway.
also, do seriously consider gaycoping and femboycoping.

>>45220394
Mefperv as a HSTS I have to congratulate me from changing my opinions on AGPs from really gross to kinda useful they have so much more motivation to transition than me so I can just contract out decisions to them

>>45220105
I genuinely didnt transition for AGP reasons. I don't find the idea of being a woman arousing. I just felt so much disgust towards being male.

>>45220105
I used to be HSTS cope, now acceptance. It is crazy that every single proclaimed 4chan hussy is actually the HSTS cope. Like they think it’s normal to just be on an anime incel website and their online discord bf and anime pfp makes them straight. This image would make a 4chan hussy kill themselves

>>45221058
Not really. I’m a 4ch hus, started HRT underage
Only dated men, only had sex with men, internally only had sexual desires for men
Was pretty effeminate and sometimes got bullied for being a fag

>>45220156
Anyone whose subjective quality of life would improve by transition should regardless of reason or mechanism

>>45221058
as a bi cismoid i've gotten burned by two girls going through this phase. it fucking sucks. "ya im totally straight lol. nevermind that pre-transition i only dated girls and 100% of the lewd stuff you see me interact with is pictures of girls." im retarded for falling for it but i wish the brainworms werent so insane.

>>45220105
complete denial but I don't look like that

>>45220105
so im semi-denial, AGP seems legit, but im not a "homosexual male", i am a trans woman, words matter and arent just for feels, scientifically we're not male. not fully anyways. not typical. and clearly it represents a significant deviation, enough to requalify the individual into the other gender when quantified within the human development process.

I also didnt transition in my 20s late or otherwise and I didnt study computer science. So even anecdotally this is false. From my position anyways.

I also relate to the full denial because this has the same Freud-level quack bs stench coming off of it.

>>45220977
im not even sure i am agp (very likely yes imo but stopped caring a long time ago) but motivation isn't the only ingredient. discipline and following through matters just as much.
mef/agp/whatever motivated me a lot but desire without action would've left me a bi femboy at best.
>>45221144
basically this
>>45221161
nta but ouch. that's gotta suck. and not in a hot way.
luckily my soon-to-be husband didn't have this experience. otherwise I would've been in trouble since I only dated women until I started transition (and only men since then).

>>45220105
im not hsts cope i genuinely transitioned because in my mind there was no way for a man to be attracted to me as a man even though i had done plenty well for myself with men (and in high school the occasional beard) so i was clearly not hopelessly hideous. yeah anyway sucks to fucking suck dude

>>45221259
>scientifically we're not male
yes, we are.
we're not men. definitely not typical men. but we are male, nonny and that's fine.

>>45221296
speak for yourself, mailman

>>45221307
failman*

>>45220105
I'm at "acceptance" because I'm not babytrans

>>45220141
passing implies the person lives female full time. But the distinction is between basically a transvestite (agp) and a "homosexual male", a very blocky catch-all camp for transsexuals.

So going from Blanchard's scale none of us really exist. Transvestites just play dress up they dont actually become the opposite sex, not even socially. its an occasional thing because its linked to a sexual thrill. Meaning they must have an opposite gender anchoring to make this make sense, otherwise they're just female, then there's no thrill from the sharp distinct change. Cuz there is no change.

There's questions today but i dont think Blanchard's paradigm explain it

>>45220194
boymode? publicly shamed/pressured to conform to nonsense? its not a sure fire thing. We're not in a vacuum. I believe he was addressing intent not simply behavior, but regardless I would call manmoders not in Florida or Texas or something probably agp. Its about why you're doing what you're doing.

>>45220194
what does this mean

>>45221012
right, you're trans.

>>45221259
You are definitely "Complete denial". You sound like an AuDHD person that I know. I'm not judging, but you are literally the prime example of the typical Transbian.
>>45221170
>complete denial but I don't look like that
Lol, valid.

>>45221269
Pre-transition we are of the male sex, yes. Post-transition we're barren females. Female genitalia, female hormones and levels, male chromosomes (as far as we know). Rounding to the closest sex we're female. It is a sex change, thats a correct definition of a transition imo.

>>45221481
your experience is your own but I respectfully disagree. I'm straight, I dont like women.

>>45220105
not to make this about ftms but why was blanchard so fixated on trans women? does he have anything to say about AAP or the like?

>>45220105
>it's cleat that AGP doesn't cause GD
Really? I know some people have severe AGP to the point where transitioning is the only option.
>To my fellow Bi/Pan/Progressive Men
I'm not joking, stay away from 'complete denial' and 'semi-denial' - tranners. Even if you find a lovely GF that happens to be 'HSTS Cope' (they can be fixed), if they have any denial frens - run! No trutrans HSTS will hang out with the denial types, they are simply not compatible, 'denial' only wants to have sex with girly-girls and HSTS don't even share the same fucking interests, the 'denial' type is unironically more compatible with hetero sexual men, but they hate them for some weird reason.

>>45221508
>Post-transition we're barren females
At best. We can become very decent approximation of women for sure.
>Female genitalia, female hormones and levels, male chromosomes (as far as we know)
And male bones.
I certainly agree with you broadly in the sense that the ideal is a sex change, but I guess I'm more chill about it since my motivation was not standard dysphoria

>>45221541
scientists gotta fixate on something its just how it goes. i would love to see a blanchard but for pooners though.

>>45221058
>It is crazy that every single proclaimed 4chan hussy is actually the HSTS cope.
A HSTS to a bi man is like a virgin ciswoman to a conservative st8man. They are so pure and "special".
>they think it’s normal to just be on an anime incel website and their online discord bf and anime pfp makes them straight. This image would make a 4chan hussy kill themselves
Lmfao, my fucking sides. That one is funny, but still the seethe proves that hussies are hated on, like sluts being jelly and hating on virgins for no reason.

>>45221598
They'll die if they stop masturbating?
implications for the nofap com?


>>45221632

Agreed but bones arent a sex qualification, like how doctors and scientists determine sex. Corpses removed lol

>>45221688
>bones arent a sex qualification, like how doctors and scientists determine sex
scientists definitely determine sex by bones. the science of archeology and criminology does that thousands or tens of thousands of times a day globally.

>>45220105
>where are you?
Complete denial, but I look like Bargaining

>>45220105
i think i'm parallel to neurotic fixation where i've kind of accepted that im agamp and occasionally feel a tinge of faketroon shame abt it

>>45221679
There's no hate. It's just delusional to think they exist on 4chan.
>>45221161
Facts. Sorry that happened to you. 4channers are such larpers.
>>45221102
Just completely delulu. You wouldn't be on this website, for one. That used to be me but it's just complete and utter cope. For one, only being with men has NOTHING to do with HSTS/AGP. You did not read any of Blanchard's work. If you went to his clinic, he'd probably type you as AGP.
>started HRT underage
Delusion, that's not special or unusual, even here.

all I know is that transbianism is evil and that you should all date guys

>>45220105
i had a reverse progression from neurotic fixation to acceptance to bargaining

>>45220105
Neurotic Fixation is so cute i love her

>>45223859
>Just completely delulu. You wouldn't be on this website, for one. That used to be me but it's just complete and utter cope.
You are so harsh on her, she sounds like a hussy and feels like a hussy.
>>45223899
>i had a reverse progression from neurotic fixation to acceptance to bargaining
How? Sorry but how can anyone on this board think that AGP doesn't cause GD? Sorry this is delulu

>>45223945
My circumstances are completely similar and you also never read Blanchard's work. It's just cope and delusion. You also called someone delusional in the same post, lol?

>>45223965
I follow Dr Blanchard on X and I watched most of his interviews.
>It's just cope and delusion
How? She said she was a gay boy and transitioned early and never had sexual or romantic interest in women, this is the prime example hussy. And you said "you wouldn't be on this website" what kind of delulu fallacy is that? cislesbians are on this board you fucking hon.

>>45223965
>>45224103
Forgot to add:
You think saying "You didn't read blanchard" is some kind of knockout argument LOL

>>45224103
>>45224115
You're genuinely retarded lol. I follow economists on X but didn't read their academic papers.

>is some kind of knockout argument LOL
>claim hussy, a very specific niche term made by a professional researcher
>did not read his work
>type yourself while not reading his work
Low IQ

>>45224183
Why are you trying so hard to gatekeep "knowledge"?
>HSTS niche term
Lmao "homosexual transsexual" yeah, so niche I totally don't get the meaning without reading all the papers about it.
>type yourself while not reading his work
I know, what I am.

>>45224228
>Why are you trying so hard to gatekeep "knowledge"?
I am not just read it
>homosexual transsexual
Holy shit you're stupid lol, just read it
>I know, what I am.
no you don't you idiot lol. Human beings rarely do. I guarantee you Blanch daddy would type you as late onset. Try showing him this website and justifying that you're a hussy. You're funny, anon.

>>45223945
>How? Sorry but how can anyone on this board think that AGP doesn't cause GD? Sorry this is delulu
maybe it does for some people but not in my case.
i'm not exclusively male attracted and didn't have pre-pubertal onset of gender dysphoria, so i can't be hsts. but i also didn't have agp until after i had gd, nor do i score high on the core agp scale, only interpersonal.

>>45224304
Sorry for going adhominem, but you sound like a malebrained autist.
>Try showing him this website and justifying that you're a hussy. You're funny, anon.
I'll write him an email. You don't know anything about me, I grew up with 2 older sisters and a single mom, I knew that I was gay when I was ~7 y/o. With ~13 I started to hate my body and got on HRT with 15. I had 1 boyfriend and I was never into women. Why are you trying so hard to tell me, what I am? I think I know what I am.

blanchard only successfully categorized the two types of faketrannies
ywnbt both hsts and agp.

>>45224424
>I knew that I was gay when I was ~7 y/o. With ~13 I started to hate my body and got on HRT with 15
So late onset. I knew I was gay at 4 and being gnc when I was a toddler. Do write him an email and get your delusions shattered. Become a patient then watch him treat you like a creepy male rapist.
>malebrained autist.
You're babytrans or just AGP as hell lol. A passing full time hussy doesn't use incel internet trannyspeak. You're permaonline and probably need validation from 4chan on all of your behavior.
>n-no I'm not!
yeah cope I don't care bruh
>Why are you trying so hard to tell me
I'm not, you're insisting and I'm replying back and you're making me laugh by being so stupid and delusional.

>>45220141
Not me I am purely hsts. I'm more like a gay man than like a transvestite

>>45224603
>You're babytrans or just AGP as hell lol. A passing full time hussy doesn't use incel internet trannyspeak.
Lmao reddit is full of AGPs and they don't use 4chan lingo, what is your point?
>You're permaonline and probably need validation from 4chan on all of your behavior.
Yep, I really do...
>>45224603
>I'm not, you're insisting and I'm replying back
Because I'm HSTS and you don't believe me, you just bend definitions to fit your narrative, by saying "You didn't read blanchard".
>Do write him an email and get your delusions shattered.
I will, I'm so angry right now, but I'm holding back... you fucking bitterhon, I'm HSTS you are just jelly. Leave me alone. I'm HSTS and you can't change that. BYE!

>>45224687
>Lmao reddit is full of AGPs and they don't use 4chan lingo, what is your point?
That you use incel internet trannyspeak. You're very dumb. That's falsely equating two very different things. You using incel speak and being agp =/= all agps use incelspeak. It's more like it excludes you from being a hussy.
>they don't use 4chan lingo
They can, many use 4chan.
>Because I'm HSTS
LOL
>you just bend definitions to fit your narrative
The fuck lmao, that's literally what you did.