>>45247570
take your HRT, retards

will you silently hate me if i sperg out about useless jibjab lore

liefie ik heb alles genaaid
tot de miniappps.ao tot alle feminizing alles in deze internet schatie

echt en ik wil nou niet engles lullen voor je

Typo
miniapps.ai
niet engels lullen voor je

>>45247596
only if you do it over 25 posts over the course of an entire hour like dutchie over here is about to do

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an epic pmf productions callobarations
https://youtu.be/qw0X1f6-iqM?si=9ik-VIr4ggymysRE

ekt ein general kein laungfran ik nou je threat gera vla faak logbesupol ing vrerpleid nor groorver bottiging veneel

A tranny will say she "always knew" she was meant to be a girl. What if you still don't know? How are you supposed to know? What makes it so apparently obvious for others?

>>45247570
I love mathematics.

I do treat my fellow femreppers as brothers, and I should hope to be treated as a sister.
>>45247756
I think this is mostly post-rationalization, it's just something you do in the moment because it immediately alleviates your suffering. The vast majority of the time in a long-term retrospective it turns out to be the right choice so you retcon and say "I always knew I was a girl" but honestly only reddittroons do that.

>>45247756
I think only HSTS have the luxury of "always knowing". AGPs get the fagginess beaten out of them but not enough to destroy it completely. So AGPs transitioning on average much later is not a sign that they are fake, rather there was no way they could show signs of femininity in childhood without shame or punishment as consequences.

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idk if i pass the short hair test but wearing a shit load of makeup with dangly earrings with your natural short hair feels so mefy and hot ngl

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hoere* *itch

je maakt mijn niet boo dan dat je mij boo hebt
gemaakt

>>45247583
i did and it didn't do anything

>>45247756
I don't think they did always know.
It's just that in hindsight it was extremely obvious for most of us.
Once you get over the huge bump that is repression everything suddenly becomes clear.
If I take myself as an example, I didn't actually accept myself as being trans until I was 17, even though I had been wearing women's clothes pretty much every day in secret for like 8 years at that point. It's easy to say I knew on some level when I was 9, but also not really.

if you never got introduced to the concept of trannies. how different would your life be?

>>45247910
this nigga does not pass the not-having-a-male-torso test, that's for sure

>>45248034
Assuming that somehow includes also having the idea that you can be gender non-conforming, I would have thought it's normal to be unhappy with myself at such a fundamental level, recognized my body as just a vessel that I did not choose and my suffering as an intrinsic part of life, focused on my interests and never sought any kind of romantic/sexual relationship. Sounds peaceful.

>>45247583
I'd want to but I won't pass and my family will hate me.

get it through your fucking head i will never be a woman i am a disgusting fat ugly old man

i've gotten into native plant gardening and trying to beat back invasives in my local undeveloped areas, and it really reminds me of shaving my face, no matter what i do that stupid fucking sahara mustard just keeps coming back

kill myself kill myself kill myself kill myself kill myself kill myself

>>45248034
I think I still would have been miserable, just more confused as to why

>>45248272
Any happiness i have at shaving my body hair disappears the next day when the fucking hair comes back.

I'm drunk. If I had a female body right now I would be fucking wasted, puking and falling asleep.

i want to cry i can't do this anymore

>>45248519
Just drink and you'll laugh the sorrows away.

>>45248595
>>45248519
Actually don't do that. That was fucking evil of me to say.

It's amazing how effective alcohol is in making me forget about gender dysphoria. Of course while inebriated i will NEVER tell anyone in my personal life about my tranny thoughts. That's social suicide.

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>>45247583
Good to see you nona.
>>45247570
Yes but I'm shit at it.
>>45248519
Praying for peace.

Instead of worrying about average men mogging me, I'm focused on average women mogging me. Holy shit I'm such a faggot just end my life now god.

>>45248601
i don't drink anyway

>>45248695
there is no peace

If you are a young sensitive cis guy with neurodivergence and an ally of the trans community, never make the mistake of installing reddit and joining trans communities, worst mistake of my life.

>QOTT: do you like math?
Yes math is cool, but im probably too low iq for it.

>>45247756
dont question your gender. You are only trans if you have always had a brain mismatch in your brain and felt something was wrong since you were little, transmedicalists are right, about everything. Leave online queer and trans spaces, while you still can. Recovering from rogd will become much harder afterwards.

>>45248034
I would have baseline dissatisfaction with life. I wouldnt be happy, nor would i ever be happy, but partly because im ugly, partly because my life would be missing something I never had and never knew I needed. Humans are really resilient. If your life sucks but its always sucked you can learn to live with that. And it would be better because I wouldnt be wasting time on tranny forums, considering the possibility of ruining my life by eventually transitioning and I could instead focus on learning useful skills and trying to achieve financial success to try to fill the void in my heart.

>>45248918
Good thing I am a chud who hates reddit then

>>45247570
>do you like math?
I used to be decent at it, but I don't like math
>>45248918
>worst mistake of my life.
qrd?

>>45248946
He got called poopyhead

Pray for me that I figure this shit out.....

>>45248946
At a certain point in my teenage life i began to have progressive politics and i followed contrapoints, and then idk i guess i became an ally of the trans community and then i dont even remember why i downloaded reddit but when i found those communities i thought they were interesting and i joined them to be a better ally, but they are not transmedicalists, they basically encourage everyone to question their gender. And tell you stuff like if you could press a button to be a woman would you press it? but this is very dishonest because being trans is more similar to doing injections and getting surgeries that can be botched to become a poor facsimile of a woman who will be hated by 3/4 of society and you can only justify ruining your life in such a way if you have always had dysphoria, a genuine medical condition in the brain, since childhood.

At 18 you have a fragile sense of identity, especially me being low iq, i started to question my gender and i came to the conclusion that i'd rather be a woman.

And that i was trans. And that is how I developed rogd. It has been 3 years since then and things have gotten much worse. Now I know about things like ffs, other surgeries to feminize the body like cutting inches off your shoulders, follow trans women and ffs surgeons on ig, at one point my ocd and rogd became so intense I read the wikipedia bio of a lot of trans women, i mean seriously a lot.

Do you guys know there is a christian transgender priestess in Finland?


Genuinely the best thing that can happen to you as a guy is being both a transphobe and a conservative. That way you will never question your gender or transition unless you are giga trutrans.

>>45247756
there are so many accounts about the doubt and uncertainty being normal and blah blah...

but clearly I am fake trans or I would have started transitioning decades ago and not still be struggling with this while fast approaching 40. I was clearly brainwatched by anime and video games to believe these things.

Thank you luther and thank you protestant reformation for allowing women and queers to join the priesthood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marja-Sisko_Aalto>>45248964


>>45248964
There is nothing to figure out. Only transition if you have passing potential after ffs (even if you dont have a medical condition) and you meet this requisite if your skull is not larger than the male average, and if you dont have passing potential after ffs, only transition if you have a medical condition since you were a child and cannot live your life in any other way because dysphoria makes you entirely dysfunctional.

it's crazy how i'm not even allowed to kill myself. i have no escape

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Will never understand why a trans woman would be a christian, but its super heartwarming. I read in picrel's wikipedia biography that she is a practicing christian.

>QOTT: do you like math?
Fuck math.

I can't even stand to hear a tranny anymore. I had to click off an interesting looking video because a tranny was narrating it. I'm so sick and tired of having to hear and see and know about the existence of trannies. If I had any spine, I would kill myself so I wouldn't have to share this planet with them. At least I'm not one.

>>45248519
Crying is for babies, women, and faggots. Man up.

>>45249119
i'm kind of a faggot manbaby that wants to be a woman

>>45249119
>man up
I won't listen to anyone who says this

>>45248918
Why do you continue to be transphobic? What purpose does it serve?
>>45249078
This is quite real, I get triggered any time I see a transfem. Luckily it's only in person and only with strangers, not with ones that I personally know.

>>45249010
I love questioning my gender. A part of me always wanted to be a girl, though I won't lie and say I didn't imagine myself in the future as a man.

>>45249135
this. the point is to end sexism, not perpetuate it.
the point is to erase gender and sex, not glorify it.

>>45249159
I don't want to erase gender and sex though. They are beautiful and held sacred by humans. The problem comes with forcing them on people, not that they exist.

>>45247583
>no hrt
>i want to kill myself i'm not gonna make it iwnbaw it's too late for me
>take hrt
>i want to kill myself i'm not gonna make it iwnbaw it's too late for me + my nipples hurt

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The thing i like about christianity and that i would mourn the most about its decline is probably the notion that someone could dedicate their lives to a transcendent moral truth. Something that is much greater than them and its not just a preference, but a commitment to an ultimate truth.

And its why its so heartwarming when a trans woman is a christian, its because despite the fact that shes been handed a rough hand in life, in any case she is commited to the idea of a transcendent truth and virtue, whereas a degen like me, would prefer to be irreligious. If God exists, he is like an abusive dad for christian trans people, but in any case they embody virtue.
>>45249119
>faggots.
where do you think you are? this is faggot central. Its repgen.

abolishing gender and sexuality is the only logically consistent thing to do

>>45249172
>They are beautiful and held sacred by humans
Fuck humans, fuck their beauty standards, fuck their false idols and graven images and any other fucking belief they have. Just fucking fuck off you barely conscious apes. I wish I could just fucking blow my head off and leave you to your own disgusting mess you like to play with and eat up like shit.

>>45249179
this is my exact experience, which is why I rep now. it took me going on hrt to realize it's just a fucking mind-virus made up of false and confused beliefs.

>>45249136
>Why do you continue to be transphobic? What purpose does it serve?
im not transphobic im just sharing my experience. Yeah i also get triggered when i see a trans woman, especially when she has a normal sized skull, because its a few inches/cm of bone that condemned me to suffer forever.

>>45249054
I'm just a massive pussy about it. I know I suppress my self expression, I feel miserable a lot of the time, the repression is palpable enough that I know something must have to give. If I keep being bothered about this shit for a year there's obviously something fucking wrong with me. If I were to even dabble just to see how it feels without full blow "transitioning" I wouldn't know how to go about it. My family wouldn't be hospitable to that. I'd worry what they'd even think of this, I doubt they'd understand it. I don't know what to do though, other than TRY.

>>45249190
If you abolish gender you fall into the deceitful and wicked hands of bioessentialists.

>>45249215
how? bioessentialists uphold gender to mirror some arbitrary sexual criteria, they don't abolish it

>>45249206
>im not transphobic
No, you are directly telling people "transmedicalists are right about everything" and continuing to imply ROGD is real. And you keep saying that brain mismatches are real despite the fact that we have found zero causal evidence suggesting it.
If I need to spell it out for you further you should really look into what internalized transphobia is. Hell even ask an LLM.
>>45249203
What makes you think you're not going to make it? You need extraordinary proof to show that it is really truly over for you, no easy moping like most of the people here.

>>45249237
Exactly. That's why gender abolitionism is evil bullshit, because evil people will use it to create rules for thee not for me. Just look at the TERFs as a prime example.

>>45249260
that doesn't really make gender abolitionism bad
all you're showing is that it gets coopted often which is unfortunate but the ideal itself is still true and correct
also TERFs don't support gender abolitionism, no feminist can because they support women's rights which requires woman to exist as a gender

>>45249214
I haven't known if I have "gender dysphoria". If I knew for absolute certain I did it wouldn't even be a question I'd pursue the solution. I don't know the cause for my pain exactly. There are so many things. So many reasons to kill myself as well. So many.

>>45249256
>What makes you think you're not going to make it?
The fact that modifying your body does not erase your history and the fact of the matter, which is that I was born into a male body and raised as a boy, which led me to become a man. Some hormones and a new wardrobe is not going to magically make me have been born female and change my male history into a female one. It won't turn me into a woman.

>>45249256
I love you. You are such a sneed. Bet youd make a cute woman.

But yeah transmedicalism is right, one of the greatest vindications of that is lily tino, had they been forced to rep forever by the medical establishment (consider that they have rogd, a huge skull like mine, they are agp and they represent everything that is wrong with modern men by being probably both an atheist and childfree) then trans rights would not have been set 40 years back by their existence alone.

you know i will never be a trans woman, and neither is he. And we can think him for ruining the public perception of trans people and furthermore I need to find God, become a good christian man and start a family and never entertain these delusions again or else i will end up like him.

Did anyone hate trans people when it was just straight trans women with a medical condition who transitioned? no because they are passing and pretty and not weird or perverted like me and Nick Contino.

>>45249278
Terfs receive too much hate. I used to browse ovarit back then and i remember they hated men but honestly they are justified in doing so because in truth we are inferior to women and ruin their lives.

I mean it. Terfs at least love cis women and try to care for them, protect them and advocate for them. Chuds on the other hand are just demons who just want to see trans people suffer not really because they care about women but because they want to see marginalized people suffer.

And its okay being a terf if you are nice about it and dont call people slurs.

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If I was trans I would have transitioned years ago.
If I was a 100% normal guy I would've left this board years ago
I don't know what I am or what to do

its not terfs fault that I was born inferior to women and hating me for that is not only justified morally, its their moral obligation.

>>45249485
do you have rogd? i mean its arguably a really widespread but very recent phenomenon and as a consequence there probably arent a lot of effective treatments for it. When was the first time you felt you wanted to be a woman, repsis?

>>45249485
We're mentally ill and the only thing we can do is not kill ourselves today so those who know us don't have to think about us or confront the harsh reality that some brains deserve compassionate snuffing out of consciousness.

>>45249509
NTA but I absolutely have ROGD. I started thinking about transitioning only very recently about 17 years ago. I'm certain this phase will pass in another week or two.

Any successful and emotionally stable repchads that you know of? i can think of the japanese comic guy, he gets posted on ttt every know and then with an image where the caption says something like 'the woman Im drawing is not the woman i want to date, it is the woman i would have been if i had been born a woman'

What happened to this general? It's filled with more transphobia than ever. A few years ago it was truly just misery and moping and that was nice and people were nice, but now it's just full of proper hatred. Give me back old repgen.

>>45249358
Okay and what about other trannies? They are not women either?
>>45249390
You too, same question. Of course optics only really depends on whether trannies are pretty and passing, but that has nothing to do with their metaphysical validity and trying to argue such is a category error.
>>45249413
>>45249469
TERFs support the rights of cis woman but at the expense of trans woman. Which is not at all required. There's no inherent reason a tranny is inferior to a cis woman.
>>45249485
The second best time to transition is now.
>>45249533
Lol
>>45249509
No you are not inherently inferior get a fucking grip. You are suffering. It is not a moral wrong to suffer and to cry out in pain. Do something about it.

>>45249533
was that because of the internet? did you feel that way before you browsed online trans communities? if the answer to the former is no and the answer to the latter is yes, you dont have rogd and its probably not going to go away sister, you could try either trooning or conversion therapy depending on what fits your preferences and needs based on your measurements. But i doubt that it was just a social contagion thing for you. You may have a genuine medical condition, but only you know that.

>>45249570
>what about other trannies
you are making the mistake of lumping me in with people who are not like me. What do I care about trannies? I'm not one. Whatever I say about myself says nothing about anyone else. Fucking idiot.

>>45249585
you dont have to be so mean to them, that is not okay

>>45249585
This is just a cop out and doesn't answer my question at all. You have failed to describe at any level how you would differ from a tranny if you transitioned.

>>45249509
I don't know if it's ROGD or AGP. I got in 2017 after one of my university acquaintances transitioned. Rationally I know it's not real but... the shrapnel of this condition still infects my brain.

okay I see where you're coming from but I really should kill myself

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>>45249570
me, no, id look like nick or worse, but thanks for the support. God is wise. He created the hussy/ agp division so that people may know who is transgender and who is not.

He blessed real trans women with a good height and passing potential so that they may know they are women, while i am not and will never be.

And the thing youre saying about trans women not being inferior to cis women, no one believes that, not even trans women, that is why they try to emulate cis women and their looks.

>>45249609
is she hsts? does she look good? i bet she probably does otherwise she wouldnt have inspired in you the idea to transition

>>45249570
metaphysically gynephilic trans women are men. It doesnt even matter what metric you use. From a material standpoint they look like men, from an idealistic/ soul body dualism aspect they also have the souls of men. They never had dysphoria as children so in every sense imaginable, even under transgender metaphysical idealism, they/ we are men.

>>45249576
I have memories from the turn of the century of feelings that I didn't fully understand at the time, but I'm sure those are false memories implanted in me by the tranny vtubers I compulsively binge watch today. Truth be told, I don't even fully remember how I came to concretely start thinking tranny thoughts, but the moment I realized that it was a real thing that real people did and not a joke or fetish I was never able to stop thinking about it completely. Some days, it's literally all I can think about, and the weight is almost unbearable, other days, daydreaming/fantasies are enough to keep the dysphoria in check.

>>45249601
>You have failed to describe at any level how you would differ from a tranny if you transitioned.
Unlike trans women, I am not a woman, before or after transitioning, you absolute dumb fuck. Use your own brain and figure shit out for yourself, thanks.
>>45249594
Fuck them, I am mean to everyone. Just because I accept you doesn't mean I have to like you.

>>45249652
>I have memories from the turn of the century of feelings that I didn't fully understand at the time
what were they like? do you remember something at least partially?

>>45249661
>>45249601
Stop addressing her. She is so mean, its not worth your time, she doesnt deserve your attention.

>>45249627
Being AGP/HSTS has nothing to do with whether you are "trutrans" or not. And I know for a fact most people here use the Blanchard definitions which are even more meaningless. If any one if you read his papers he claims AGPs are the trutrans ones anyways.
>they try to emulate cis women
They're trying to be feminine, not emulate cis women. It's kind of an ouroboros argument but the difference matters especially as you deconstruct gender. Consider the significant amount of trans women who never get SRS as well. Either way I don't see what that has to do with inferiority.
>>45249609
There is no logical reason that someone transitioning (who you don't even know too well) should activate some sort of sleeper agent in you with false/misplaced memories. It's a lot easier to conclude that you are simply not normal and hadn't noticed/knew there were ways to change things.
>>45249652
If you have dysphoria, consider transition.
>>45249648
What do you mean by "souls of men"? Is a man defined purely by his attraction to femininity? Then do lesbians also have "souls of men"? This line of reasoning really doesn't make any sense.
>>45249661
You literally wrote
>>45249358
>modifying your body does not erase your history and the fact of the matter
and then wrote a bunch of shit that exactly identifies trans women pre-transition. So why again are they women and you not? I mean inb4
>I'm not trans because I'm just not ok!!! I have ROGD!!!! Which is a real condition for sure
Also, I hope in time you can direct that anger towards something good.

>>45249686
>her
>She
Why the fuck do you misgender me when I make it a point to never misgender or invalidate your gender? Fuck you. One more reason to hate you fucking people.

>>45249695
I have no idea why or how trans women are women. You should ask one. I know I'm not one, because I know I am a man. Even if I had no body, I would be a man.

>>45249695
>What do you mean by "souls of men"?
why yes because men are perverted and weird and stuff like polycules, puppy girl culture, programmer socks, its not the fact that they are gynephilic, its the fact that most gynephilic trans women, are gynephilic in a male way. There might be true trans lesbians, but in any case they should be rarer than hetero trans women.

Its very brutish, sapphic love and attraction is more sophisticated, less animalistic and perverted.

Also please stop engaging with the mean girl and dont try to groom the other girl into transitioning.

>>45249715
Are you going to now lie to me and say you are not dysphoric and you are absolutely happy with your gender and that's why you're here at all?
>>45249723
>gynephilic in a male way
I have no idea what this means at all. Of course queers are more likely to do sex things in weird ways because they're queers, of course. That doesn't disqualify them from their gender or sexuality.
>sapphic love and attraction is more sophisticated
I don't understand this. How at all can you judge this? Is this just some random fantasy you have of how sapphic love "actually" works or have you interviewed a representative set of lesbians to conclude this?

>>45249732
I'm obviously not happy with being a man, you dumb shit. That said, it doesn't mean I'm dysphoric. It simply means I'm unhappy that I was born male.
>buh-buh-buh but that's dysphoria!!1!
No it isn't. My gender is congruent with my sex. Dysphoria is when your gender is mismatched with your sex. I am a man in a male body.

>>45249732
You know the answer to that already but fine. There is a set of fetishes that is prevalent among men and a set of fetishes that is prevalent among women.

The fetishes and sexual tendencies of agp trans women would match perfectly with those of cis men (for the majority of them at least) because they have the brain of men. Not of trans women. But because they are agp narcissists they just feel like cosplaying as women because they have zero respect for them.

>>45249751
>they have zero respect for them.
The sad part is, women want you to disrespect them, they expect it. That's where they draw their power and femininity from. They debase themselves at the foot of men who want to walk over them.

>>45249732
youre such a sneed its crazy, like, youd fit in better with the tumblr or the reddit girls. Why are you posting here? would it not be easier to spend time in a place where people agree with you (but actually please dont go ily).

>>45249686
Didn't feel like I fit in with the guys, especially when they spoke about women as a different species. I thought I was gay for a while, which was strange in hindsight because I was very sure long before then that I was attracted to both men and women. Others clocked me as "gender confused" before I understood what they meant. I never liked the way my body changed in my teen years. This was many years before the trans-acceptance movement and the rise of major social media platforms. I had never met a trans woman before. I thought I was too old at 19 but failed to accept how it was only going to get worse from there.

>>45249750
I really think you just don't know what gender dysphoria is if you're claiming this. It has nothing to do with gender and sex mismatches. It is all to do with the unhappiness of your current condition.
>>45249751
This isn't even true. But let's suppose it were. Is being a woman having the same set of kinks as a cis woman? That isn't really a criteria to use a priori, it's just a statistical judgement you make after classifying people into genders in the first place. You can't reverse that data and use it to infer whether someone "should" be of the gender that they are. Are you then saying that a cis woman who happens to line up with the kinks of a cis man is now disqualified from her gender due to that? Again this line of reasoning really doesn't work out.
>>45249760
Sort of true but I don't to derail this into hornygen kek.
>>45249761
I've been here for many years, it's sort of my home and I don't want to leave you all. Moping and misery and banter is fun and nice and I feel like I fit in. Don't at all make the mistake of assuming that I'm happy or something just because I can try to lift others up.
Reddit sucks and is full of honfidence (including things like >my trans period) and eggs and grooming, it's no fun.
I used to use tumblr for a bit but I missed the critical time period as a teen where I would intermesh with that culture, spent it all here. So I guess I can watch from afar and snip out their good queer theory ideas.
>>45249766
Desu it just seems like you have found the words to describe your feelings.

>>45247570
yes i love math, even though i am pretty bad at it

t. engineer

>>45249766
>Didn't feel like I fit in with the guys
There isnt such a thing as the guys. There are different groups of men. Some even want to be women. Yeah i remember when guys my age started talking about sexuality it was so brazen, men are like that, i think people should have more shame about it, but it seems like you are trans and lets be real here, you are looking to be affirmed, you need and want attention, which is cool, but in the end you are not doing anything about this are you? you will rep anyway, i still like reading your posts and you can keep blogposting if you want sis.

>>45249781
>It has nothing to do with gender and sex mismatches.
It is the CORE FUCKING TRAIT OF THE ENTIRE GODDAMN DIAGNOSIS YOU ABSOLUTE DUMB FUCK CUNT

I don't want to be a middle-aged man, but to be honest, I don't really want to be a middle-aged woman either. I'm so lost.

I have a female mind but a male brain
and a male soul
and body

>>45249805
Congrats, your gender and your sex are incongruent, so you have gender dysphoria. The treatment is transitioning. Or, you know, you can keep repping too, that's fine. Loads of people don't get treated for the illnesses they have.

>>45249781
>This isn't even true.
Ok then i want to ask you, what criteria would you use to separate people who have the brains of men from the people who have the brains of women for the purposes of giving someone estrogen and diagnosing them with transsexuality or telling them that they are cis men.

If you say anyone who thinks they want to be women even if they never had dysphoria and have a fetish should transition, then im telling you that the only thing you will accomplish with that will be to have creepy malebrained guys some of them with a fetish, who will transition and ruin both trans optics and their lives. I get that you are for the most part a well meaning person, and i like you, and i wish nothing but the best for you, i dont agree with the fact you agreed with that one guy, but trans optics and therefore trans rights have been on a downhill path ever since the barriers of entry were lowered for agps who have zero shot of passing.

Straight trans women made trans women more acceptable to the public, agps made trans women and therefore trans rights, less acceptable to the public.

You have to do realpolitik here. You may see agp trans women as real women and even ( idk how you would accomplish that but anyway) as not meaningfully different from cis and hetero trans women. But the average man and woman will not do that. Letting agps like me transition would be throwing straight trans women under the bus and tearing down their accomplishments just to satisfy the ego of perverted freak males.

>>45249822
except that is not an illness his body is perfectly healthy and that is how God made him and maybe if he accepts God's design he will be rewarded in the afterlife and God will turn him into a woman as a gift for repping and accepting Gods design and passing the test.

>>45249851
The only thing I can say to that is, hail Satan, your god died nailed to a piece of wood.

>>45249822
it's too late for me. give the warning to someone with time left on the clock

Did you know jews have a morning blessing for reppers?

"Blessed are You, Lord our God... who has not made me a woman."

yeah i think its a bit misogynistic but in a way you could also interpret it as a way to accept Gods design.

Beautiful poem by a jewish trans woman
:
https://www.scribd.com/document/328982432/Kalonymus-Ben-Kalonymus-Poem
>>45249875
edgy atheism is malebrained, youre ngmi nona.

>>45249851
>maybe if he accepts God's design he will be rewarded in the afterlife and God will turn him into a woman
what's that one joke where the guy is drowning and he turns away rescue because he's waiting for god to save him

Fuck. Its paywalled. Here the poem is full i think. I need to finish reading it.

https://voices.sefaria.org/sheets/168449?lang=bi

>>45249899
>atheism
I believe in a higher God than your man-shaped hanging meat. And that bastard is a fucking tyrant.

>>45249926
yeah its chill girl, dont worry, im also an atheist, but anyway i dont think an atheist could have composed a poem as beautiful as this one:

Father in heaven, who did miracles for our ancestors with fire and
water,
You changed the fire of Chaldees so it would not burn hot,
You changed Dinah in the womb of her mother to a girl,
You changed the staff to a snake before a million eyes,
You changed [Moses’] hand to [leprous] white
and the sea to dry land.
In the desert you turned rock to water,
hard flint to a fountain.
Who would then turn me from a man to woman?
Were I only to have merited this, being so graced by goodness.
What shall I say? Why cry or be bitter?
If my Father in heaven has decreed upon me
and has maimed me with an immutable deformity,
then I do not wish to remove it.
And the sorrow of the impossible
is a human pain that nothing will cure
and for which no comfort can be found.
So, I will bear and suffer
until I die and wither in the ground.
And since I have learned from our tradition.
that we bless both the good and the bitter,
I will bless in a voice, hushed and weak,
Blessed are you, O Lord,
who has not made me a woman.


May God have her in his glory.

>>45249949
Like I said, not an atheist. I am, by definition, a theist.

hey sorry i can't come into work today. yeah i'm overwhelmed by repper sadness. yeah again. yeah. sorry. okay see you tomorrow bye

>>45249959
i could not care less, i love everyone regardless of whether they believe in God or not and i just wanted to share one of my favorite poems.

Any other poems made by reppers or trans people that any of you guys know of?

if god were real I don't think it's very nice of him to put me through this

>>45249966
if you "just" wanted to share your poem, you wouldn't have talked to me and called me an atheist in the first place.
But I do believe you couldn't care less, you seem like the type.

they should make a way to shave without being forced to look at your permanently masculinized face for 10 minutes

Straight trans women are women.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DeKtSckJDxn/

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>>45250169
I solved this by just letting my beard grow. And when my bald head grows too much hair on the sides, I cut that off with a trimmer.

>>45249791
Not really no. I don't know where you're getting this from.
>>45249800
Which is the less worse option?
>>45249836
Self-identification is really the only sane position. I understand and agree that it is going to lead to bad optics and that there are going to be a handful of people who do it for the fetish. That's how it is.
But it's not a reason to make it harder for the majority to transition and live in society free of transphobia.
>realpolitik
Do not mislead yourself into thinking that if you water down trans people then suddenly it will "just be" acceptable to cis people. Hatred is not rational and it will never be sated by any concessions you could possibly make. You may disagree but I used to be like you and thought "oh if only we let the *good* ones transition then optics would be good and people would stop hating" - No, no they will not. Transphobic people will do so regardless of how "acceptable" we may be. The only thing to do is to fight transphobia, not to continue punching ourselves down so we can seem acceptable enough for them.
>>45249851
>>45249899
Clearly suffering.
>>45250042
It seems more reasonable to define repping as bearing gender dysphoria without treatment so that its existence is not contingent on modern technology like HRT. The privilege to stop repping is indeed contemporary.

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>>45250287
The thing however is that ideologically commited transphobes are a minority. Im talking about the people who dont think that straight trans women who pass should be able to use the women's restroom, the rest of people are normies who decide their position on transsexuals based on vibes, what the average trans person looks like for instance and how they behave, who is allowed to transition.

And those people can be reached, and they can become allies, only if we force people without passing potential to rep and then the minority of ideologically commited will look deranged.

Nothing will turn women against trans people like agps using the womens restroom.

anyways anons whos your biggest source of hopefuel? for me it probably would be picrel, idk i feel like her head is a little bit on the bigger side though to be fair she still is hsts and maybe its still substantially smaller than mine and yeah she looks cute despite of all that.

>>45250287
>Clearly suffering.
are you talking about my girl
Kalonymus ben Kalonymus? yeah that is because she was a true trans heterosexual woman and im a jeep with rogd.

>>45250339
The normies are, in all honesty, not going to be swayed by optics either way. They are just going to go along with however well the status quo supports trans people. Inevitably once $current_thing stops being trans peoples normies are going to stop caring. There's nothing else to it really. It's not like gay people really had to water themselves down to get acceptance, it just kinda happened with normies after it stopped being $current_thing. Same here.
Also stop using the HSTS/AGP typology it's clearly harming you, and you can't even use it properly, you're just using it to mean passing/not passing.
She's pretty cute. I suspect she got BA though which is unfortunate.
>>45250360
ROGD isn't real for the last time.

>>45250376
yeah her name is renata altamirano in case you want to google her and see other pictures of her, but gay people were not advocating to give perverted men access to womens restrooms and if rogd isnt real then why did i not want to be a woman until i was 18 after browsing reddit? and women will not be able to stop caring because if they have to see ugly jeeps in their restrooms they will be forced to care.
https://youtu.be/3sB4Iv_tM7U?si=JAcnsBjxudKYrjXi

>>45250287
>I don't know where you're getting this from.
From the fucking DSM-5 and ICD-10 you fucking stupid cunt. If you actually took the time to research what you're talking about, it would be clear to you how the diagnosis is centered around the mismatch between one's experience of internal gender and one's external sex, you absolute fucking shit for brains idiot fuck.

HRT will never fix my body, I am ruined beyond repair

>>45250403
I told a girl i was a repper and she told me people arent trans unless they take hrt consistently and she also told me hrt is a life or death situation (basically implying transsexuals couldnt just rep) and yeah honestly i agree. Reppers are cis.

>>45250432
>hrt is a life or death situation
I want to kill myself does that count

>>45250212
Had a beard for a few months and was "fine" with it but I made the mistake of shaving it and now absolutely cannot deal with stubble

>>45250436
thats literally why its a life or death situation

>>45250438
the stubble stage is the worst, but it doesn't matter when you give up. that's why I have a beard, it's me giving up.

>>45250457
I haven't fully gave up yet. I'm giving myself a year to see if I'll transition or not.

>>45250436
so why dont you hrtrep? i think you are cis nona i mean i am cisgender i have no qualms about it but yeah she was a hussy and my guess would be she probably also is a passoid, but the latter part i cant guarantee honestly, it just is my guess based on the fact that she sounded true trans and true trans people normally pass better.

and i dont want you to attempt anything, please, but normally when people say they want to die they dont mean it, but yeah i think there was a study that the average trans woman has substantially smaller breasts than the average cis woman, not sure what cup it was but this one girl also told me breasts dont grow that much unless you are a luckshit.

>>45250468
>so why dont you hrtrep?
I am. It's not doing anything

>>45250468
>normally when people say they want to die they dont mean it
I fucking hate this. I hate normal people so goddamn much. They never say what they mean, and never mean what they say. This makes it so that when I seek psychiatric help, they don't believe me. And when they finally do, after I have an obvious mental breakdown, they put a psych hold on me.

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I had another meltdown at 1 am than lasted an hour, I woke up my family and I even attacked them. They threatened to take me back to the ward, but in the end they didn't do anything. I thought it would be my John 50 moment.

I will no go university today and i had an exam, whatever.
Tomorrow will be as anything happened, as the day after, as all of those days that will come after that one too.
365 days of the same, year after year, decade after decade.

The day of the rope may be close, I truly hope so.
Now all I can think about is what to say before I leave.

I don't know what I'm waiting for, I think I'll binge-watch my manchild cartoons, my downloaded music and that is it. I also must do something about my dairies.

>>45248035
you think he gives a fuck he doesn't care about autistic details because he's a whole package

>>45250395
god pop music is basically sissy hypno triggers my agp so hard

One of the things among many that leads rogd to metastasize is when you see people who have a glow up after taking hrt and getting ffs. Like they were mid or downright ugly men and then they look like cute women.

But i have late stage chronic rogd and im not sure how ill ever recover. I just need to grow up, accept that paradigm of looksmaxxing would never work for me because my skull is huge and just try to accept that im a cis guy who wnbaw and find a way to be okay with that.

Life is just like that, short guys get bullied in school for being faggy but then they grow up and get to be women, meanwhile ive always had cis straight privilege and never got picked on for my height but in exchange iwnbaw.

>>45250704
Your "ROGD" is just your gender dysphoria finally manifesting as distress instead of dissociation. Happens to most tranners. Stop coping. I don't even give a shit if you rep (I mean I literally do) but at least have the balls to recognize what your problem actually fucking is.

>>45250704
sometimes beautiful cds take hrt and they blossom but start looking like random soulless cis women it's almost anti climatic

i guess they loose the deep pain and wabisabi

>>45248213
HRT rep then

it's literally one person debatefagging to derail the thread, just ignore

>>45249134
yeah same actually
>>45249135
listen to me
>>45249181
to be a repchad is to be a true man amongst men

>>45250871
this is repgen, not hornygen

I care about my dreams way more than my actual life at this point

i will never have a boyfriend :(

looking at pictures of myself as a kid. i was that person at one point. i just feel so endlessly disconnected from then. even from a few months ago. i feel like every few months a new conscious takes over my body. dont even know if this is dysphoria related, but probably is.

im so sad that i will never be able to be the perfect wife for someone

>>45251193
>i feel like every few months a new conscious takes over my body
veering off topic to /x/ territory, but maybe this is what reincarnation means?

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I never experienced the "Mental effects" everyone talks about. I think trannies lie prolifically about transition. You can't trust a troon to give you honest advice much of the time

>>45251233
like you said, I can't trust you

>>45251224
I don't think it's like that really (don't really understand how it could be but I don't frequest /x/ or any other board on this site beside this one)

It's more like my thoughts and beliefs change so rapidly and I'm defined by a new mental crisis and these things combined make me feel different. I don't feel like my personality changes all too much. Like for instance, about a year ago I was super worried about if I'll find a relationship (not in an incelly way), and now I could not care less and am completely defined by my dysphoria internally. I don't know what my problem is, maybe heavy dissociation? Unsure

>>45251238
Not a troon, a repper.

>>45251242
If you're HRTrepping you're a troon (or shit even repping without it), sorry!

>>45251243
I'm not on HRT. I stopped years ago.

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>>45251245
Once a troon always a troon

Anyone here from Germany that I can force femme? I could tie you up and do you injections. It wouldn't be your fault and you could do nothing about it.

I used to be like u people for many years, I know its hard, let me help you.

>>45251240
well I mean, if we take the words of Buddha to be true, you do not exist; that is, the you that you believe you are is not there to be found. And yet, you know you are. But in turn, you forget yourself moment to moment when other things occupy your mind. So, whenever you realize "oh shit, I'm me, and that other person who is supposed to be me in the past does not seem like me." it's like you're born anew. This is the sense of reincarnation I was talking about.
But then there's the problem of knowing you are an eternal being - in some sense, you are the you who was yesterday, and the you who will be tomorrow is also you, so you are eternal. So, how can an eternal being who is ever-present be born again, and again?
I don't have an answer to that.

Don't take any of this as me telling you "this is your experience, I know you better than yourself." I could be talking out my ass and I might be wrong about everything. And none of this may not even be relevant, that's why I prefaced that it's off-topic. It's just something that came to me thanks to your message.

>>45251242
you're not like me

i want to be a housewife

I'm gonna have to rip nasty shit out of my face again when I wake up, so I would really prefer if I just didn't
but I will

>>45251253
trvke

It's not fair that AGP is celebrated in women but reviled in men. AGP should be for all genders to enjoy!

if i had a husband, i would literally do anything for him. i would be ok with him hitting me, raping me, and even killing me. i would also be ok with him seeing other people. he doesnt even have to love me. i just need to be of service to him

>>45251294
You can want to be a woman without being a man's slave you know.

I want to inject so bad goddamn. What a dumb fucking sickness. Fuck off!! just let me sit in my dingy room in peace

>>45251303
but what if i want to be a mans slave?

>>45251315
The question is WHY do you want to be a man's slave, and why do you think it's okay for a woman to be a man's slave?

>>45251319
>The question is WHY do you want to be a man's slave
it would be nice

>and why do you think it's okay for a woman to be a man's slave?
im not saying all women, just me

I hace a doctor's appointment this morning. I think im going to bring this up

>>45247583
only gave me ugly breasts

Why are hiv rates so high in trannies. and dont say prostitution that explains some of it but how can 1/4 trannies have hiv? what's going on.

even gay men don't have it that high.

>>45251444
it's worse when you realise 7/8 have raped children according to stormfrontnews.net and it's said all trannies are part of a cult to bring about the antichrist's ascension

im sorry for being a disgusting worthless amab

What do you call it when you already know you're a man but you have to try hard and learn how to be one?

>>45251596
You don't have to. If someone tells you to man up, disregard them. It's already a curse to be born male, you don't have to pretend to like it.

>>45251596
It’s called being a reptard whose going to end up 41ing
Don’t rep

>>45251630
But I have to man up. I just have to. The conservatives were right all along. Society literally unravels the second people step outside their role and gain more social freedom, not that freedom was ever meant for me anyway.

I am a male. I don't have to learn shit.

beating reppers until they transition

>>45251986
honestly if someone loving came into my life and took it over to make me transition I'd probably be ok with it.

>>45251986
please do this to me

>>45250719
yeah this other woman i talked to she was the most cluster A person alive. She told me she had developed gynecomastia during puberty and yeah she is also an exclusive androphile and she was bullied in school and she always knew and i think she is short and possibly passing? she also trooned under 25 i think, idk, but yeah this is because straight trans women are women and I need to find God.

>>45250719
Would it be reasonable to call a person who never had dysphoria and just hated their looks (but in a completely cishetero way) transgender if they never wanted to be a woman until they turned 34 or 48 after browsing trans communities? ofc not. So why does the validity of the situation change if the person in the example was 18 instead of 34 at the time?

im the most cisgendered person alive and you are transplaining my life to me, a cis person. But i appreciate it because i really like the attention.

can someone please kidnap me and force feminize me?

Can someone please track me down and end my life?

Does your tranny friends get pissed at you for not taking hrt? I had one that was pretty dramatic to the point that they think im self hating chud who might kms.

>>45252008
>>45252167
youre literally in the process of getting a gd diagnosis and hrt from an endo with a semi-supportive parent (far more than most other tranners) you do not have to doom as much as we do. If I told my parents im trans i would probably be kicked out and forced to drop out of college since im financially reliant.

>>45252144
> why does the validity of the situation change if the person in the example was 18 instead of 34 at the time
pills, alice.
very obviously the situations are different because thats an extra 16 years

>>45252250
my mom is currently trying to get an appointment with a psychologist, so i havent made much progress

>>45252250
im sorry i know im a bad person and that i should stop projecting my self hatred onto others but toob's body type is what happens when cisgender agp men try to rebel against mother nature instead of accepting that only straight trans women who had dysphoria since childhood are women.

Its the peak of male narcissism to not accept as an agp that you are just a mechanical object and that men are not meant to be either pretty or happy.

https://youtu.be/UjB3g3VPmZ0?si=MTQ0uwEAsfj5hv7M

>>45251233
I was happy for about two weeks that I was on HRT at all and then went back to normal when I realized it wasn't doing anything, and like two months later still nothing, meanwhile everyone swears it's the first thing that happens and it's like snapping out of a bad dream

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im gonna die without this

>>45252559
I didn't feel any better even immediately so I detrans years ago

I think the True detrans rate is higher than people normally give (10%~). The literature on the subject isdefinitely misleading because people are eager to lie to/about troons because it is politically correct.

You see this with that guy Sapolsky who implies transwomen have female brains. They don't. Some areas of the transwoman brain are feminine, but the brain overall is not.

will hrt magically fix all my problems?

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>>45253807
I feel that you are gonna make it and you will leave this place.

>>45252707
God made me Neurodivergent, sensitive, he made me get rogd and then gave me the worst bone structure to troon out imaginable. How do I have a skull that is larger than 90% of cis men and why do they not take advantage of the fact that they have a normal skull size to troon out. Some people just lay waste to the gifts of nature.

>>45254063
This guy had FFS and already had a feminine frame/height though she looks similar from the front ngl

>>45252707
I was in one and it was actually quite nice. None of the drama you would expect from hatethreads but YMMW ofc. I do miss it sometimes.

>Friend who I liked to talk to about paranormal stuff just ghosted(hah) me

I'm sad and lonely again

>>45254312
I knew that

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DfXs_npOOCf/

Don't know if it's the same person in the video they kinda look like two different people but in case it's the same person it would be further evidence that T is poison.

>>45254520
buck status?

>>45254541
I am fine thanks for asking. My ROGD was under control but it has flared up these past few days. What about you?

>>45254312
even the smallest man is larger than the largest woman

>>45254611
Is that your cope? Hsts trans women are women

>>45254588
BWC shrunk and damaged by poison (HRT)

>>45254624
i used to scoff at that pathetic twink in callme by your name thought i could beat that nig with one hand but turns out i'm smaller than him but i feel pretty big day to day compared to women

>>45252707
anyone see the lesbo murder scene in watchmen and that beheading of camper women in middle east

>>45254630
T can't make your dick smaller


>>45254634
How tall are you
Inb4 under 5'6
You should stop repping.

>>45254653
5'9 very normal proportions

>>45247570
If I see more broken dutch here I will go kanker gek

is it true women compliment each other more frequently and encourage each other because they're likely to need it since they need others approval and what not whereas guys are usually subtle or quiet because a guy is supposed to access himself

>>45250395
>gay people were not advocating to give perverted men access to womens restrooms
They were campaigning for things we'd find equally perverted today if not for acceptance, like same-sex couples being able to adopt children (you can make a "pervert" argument for this just as easily). I don't see your point.
>if rogd isnt real then why did i not want to be a woman until i was 18 after browsing reddit?
You dissociated until it became an issue and you had the vocabulary to formalize your issues?
>>45250402
Here I will cite the points that satisfy the definition I am using (note that you only need two points for it to be a condition):
>A strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
>A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
>A strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
Note how the last two have nothing to do with your "desired" gender or with your "current" gender. Anyways keep in mind that these organizations are cunts and often behind on the true understanding of things, for instance compare SOC7 with SOC8.
>>45250704
Still waiting for you to prove ROGD is real.
>>45251191
>>45251221
>>45251275
>>45251294
You could if you transition. You could even if you don't transition, but I suspect you'd suffer for that.

(a little too long so 1/2...)

(2/2)

>>45251233
There are no mental effects it's all placebo. Sorry you listen to reddittroons and chanhons I guess. The truth of the matter is that the only thing T does is make you a little more sexually aggressive. It doesn't even make you more horny. It certainly does not impact any core cognitive functions (beyond an equivalent effect to having enough E).
>>45251259
>>45251986
>>45252167
It's not forcefemming if they consent but cnc is hot stuff. Not hornygen though.
>>45251290
Everyone can enjoy AGP (sissies are valid) but it usually works out better in people whose body supports it, so not cis men sadly.
>>45253807
Not at all, but it will help with some of your problems.
>>45254783
Gender dynamics are complicated, I mean this can be superficially true but otoh women are also often looking to sabotage other women due to social competitiveness.

officially leaving the 18-24 age bracket this week :^)

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>22mtf repper
>be born to very unhairy race
>grow up to be hairy

Truly the world is a cruel joke innit?

>>45254858
Are you a gynephile? You always respond to my posts and yet I know so little about you. You don't have to share anything unless you're comfortable but I'm not sure why you would work so hard to defend agp trans women if you aren't one.

And it's not dissociation, I was present all my life and I would share more details so that you know I'm faketrans but it makes me uncomfortable.

>>45247570
lost my license to post in here by starting injections but I got it back after realising it's over
think world's most hairy twinkhon with a massive skull
i ruined my life because of this place and this thread
it's going to be my birthday and I was thinking of coming out there but then I remembered the fact that my outer family will only support me out of pity and even though I'm most likely going to have another breakdown if I don't tell them I couldn't stand the hugboxing
i wish my options for suicide were actually viable
but alas going out of my bedroom window would only break my legs
i think im going to get past my birthday atleast and then make a decent plan
i genuinely fucking despise all of you with vitriol because of how this place and this thread fucked me
and the fact YOU WONT STOP FUCKING REPPING JESUS CHRIST
yeah yeah sad lonely faggot ventpost but it's my mental illness and I get to force it on people
if you ever see a dead scottish trannyincel being spammed on the board think of this post

>>45254905
>>45254908
dumb niggers god i hate this thread

>>45254869
>Everyone can enjoy AGP (sissies are valid) but it
imo John 50 was fake trans
Because why didn't she have genital dysphoria and why did she/ he? Goon 5x a day


and ofc testosterone fucks men up even the cisgender ones are mentally ill and they develop weird fetishes like sissy or feminization fetishes.

>>45255003
I think it would be great if people who are on hrt posted here. There would be a greater diversity of experiences and as a consequence opinions. I'm too lazy to lurk mtfg and I don't think I should be there either.

i dont go here but i was going thru my google search history from ~14 years ago and seeing shit like "how do i know if im trans" has pissed me the fuck off cause i'm still in the SAME FUCKING PLACE.

>>45255100
Probably if you go to a therapist and they diagnose you with gender dysphoria and you've always felt something was wrong with your gender but I can't really explain it because I'm cis and I am simply the victim of a social contagion and a psyop by the CIA.

>>45255127
really funny because my autism diagnosis from when i was 12 says shit like "she is confused about her sexuality and is friends with people on the internet who have undergone gender reassignment surgery and thinks she may be Trans Gender herself..." (they were really desperate for the groomed autistic girl narrative)

>>45255037
orgasms still feel good regardless of dysphoria

>>45254858
not that dude but

>if rogd isnt real then why did i not want to be a woman until i was 18 after browsing reddit?

is so funny lol. "My drain was clogged for 30 years and i browsed a plumbing forum and they all told me to get a drain snake, i had never heard of one but now getting one is all i can think about, why is plumbing ideology ruining my life??"

i dunno man maybe just try out the drain snake

>>45255161
Being a sensitive young man with neurodivergence and progressive politics will do that to you

>>45255156
So you are an ftm repper? I don't know, do you want the physical effects of testosterone?

>>45255181
yup been resisting the urge to poon out for half my life now. but i'm terrified that one day i'll wake up and randomly regret it and be one of those annoying fucking detransitioners hurr hurrrr transitioning ruined my liifee wehhhh. if my parents took me seriously when i was 12 i'd probably BE on T by now (i'm in the uk thats basically how long the waiting list is. diy or die i have this plan next year where my dads gonna get me some T lolol) sorry im powerlevelling i just have nowhere else to talk about this shit

>>45255012
>noooo you have to troon out now because it totally makes a difference if you take hormones 7 years after puberty finished!!

>>45255012
Close. Chink.

>>45255202
Well it would permanently make your voice deeper but idk if anything else is reversible. As far as I remember it also causes bottom growth and that is also permanent but idk, maybe you could talk to ftms here on 4chan or to online communities of detransitioners so you can see both perspectives and determine whether it is for you and also a therapist I guess, idk.

Because obviously most people here are male repressors and so we don't really have much knowledge about the subject matter or first hand experience to help you.

>>45255223
asian boy princess.....

>>45255239
all good pal, it's still nice to be heard! i have a transfem friend who had a weird detransition era and went on T and got the poonbeard and shes been a great source of information on this. and i will be booking in with my therapist soon hes the goat

>>45254956
Yes I am a gynephile and AGP. Not quite a trans woman. But either way that has little to do with what I say.
>it's not dissociation
Did you pursue and feel comfortable in the male social role, and masculine behaviors, and the virilization of your body? What did you do to feel embodied rather than neglecting it (which is also dissociation, just subtler)?
>>45254908
Laser still works on you.
>>45254905
Happy early birthday nona.
>>45255037
John 50 literally did have genital dysphoria.
https://www.avitale.com/essays-details/?name=the-gender-variant-phenomenon--a-developmental-review-5
>holding his genitals in pain.
It also explains why xhe gooned 5x a day, right there:
>The only other form of temporary relief came through masturbating
I question if you even read the original text.
>>45255074
mtfg sucks it's full of catty idiots. Though that also does mirror a certain subset of trans women so it's not entirely bad at being representative, just not my cup of tea.
>>45255100
>>45255156
>>45255202
I wish you well anon. Good luck on your transition.
>>45255181
You keep on saying this "sensitive young man with neurodivergence and progressive politics" thing. Yet there are plenty who remain that way and don't suddenly start identifying as trans, despite presumably engaging with trans content just like you do. What do you suppose is the difference between you and them, beyond the traits you mention?

>>45255012
I literally look like the neckbeard from the southpark wow episode

it's over

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>>45255291
I always felt uncomfortable with the appearance of body hair and still I pull out my facial hairs but that is only because I am a faggot it doesn't make me trans and the only reason I hated myself is because I'm ugly it had nothing to do with gender and the difference between me and those men is that they are more nature than me, they have a higher IQ and yeah they are more normal and are not considering the possibility of ruining their lives.

It's mimetic desire, if you already are sensitive and you read enough men saying they want to be a woman you'll want the same thing too especially if you already have low self esteem and body image issues and are an incel gynephile. Mossad did this to me.

>Wake up
>No perfect 2D body with an anime vagina

Looks like the world is still fucking lame as usual.

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>>45255347
>I always felt uncomfortable with the appearance of body hair
But why? It can't be "I am a faggot" because you admit you are gynephilic.
>they are more nature than me, they have a higher IQ
Neither of these are reasons to hate your own body hair.
>yeah they are more normal
...as in, not trans? That's kind of my point.
>mimetic desire
It can't be this, you just proved that it couldn't be by giving me several differentiating factors.
>Mossad did this to me.
If that makes you feel better sure. Picrel though.
https://archived.moe/lgbt/thread/45188798/#45192882

>>45255214
dumbass nigger i'm talking about teenage tier niggers on this thread no wonder the quality is dogshit

I don't want to be a woman. I just want to be an AGP version of a man that looks like a hot oversexualized woman but is still a man. So I'm not trans I'm just AGP.

>>45255421
I'm an ally and always was but turned into right

>>45255373
Neither 22 nor 25 is teenage last time I checked. You forgot how to math?

I have to concur about post quality though. Not that your dumb ass is contributing anything meaningful.

>>45255371
I had Peter pan syndrome. No one wants to become a man and they would rather be a boy forever but I got over it. I'm faggy for sure but in a cis male way.

I think it all started when the CIA started to hire content creators to say that clothes have no gender or how both men and women should be able to wear makeup.

But yeah it's because women are pretty. I wish I was pretty.
I think that if I had been raised a woman I would be a bit less mentally unstable but not because I'm trans. Cis women are simply healthier mentally than cis men.

When was the last time you heard about a cis f shooter? Testosterone even fucks cis men up, it just makes you mentally and physically subhuman

Can I speak to your supervisor at Mossad?

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>Wake up
>No perfect 2D body with an anime gock

>>45255478
honestly aging as a male is kind of a bluepill, its fine, most people with peter pan syndrome were twinky and so are attached to looking like that, well people who were twinks usually stay that way, like really not much changes, just take dutasteride and get laser and its whatever

>>45255478
>No one wants to become a man and they would rather be a boy forever
This is evidently untrue by the large number of boys excited to become men.
>I had Peter pan syndrome.
So you don't care about having hips or breasts or other female secondary sex characteristics? This is a rather weak case to make.
>I wish I was pretty.
Have you tried doing that? Like seriously went through with it, shaved your body, found good makeup and styled your hair well?
>Testosterone even fucks cis men up
Not really. The only real group difference we find is less spread (more extremes), which explains why there are less cis f shooters in my opinion. That and probably less access/desire for guns as a group.
I shouldn't have to look this up for you, but here's a cis f shooter at an elementary school:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Winnetka_attacks
Here's one at a K-12 school, quite recently:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Abundant_Life_Christian_School_shooting
>Can I speak to your supervisor at Mossad?
I don't work for Mossad as much as you wish it were true. They don't even pay that well, and besides I'm not Jewish.
>>45255492
>well people who were twinks usually stay that way
What this is not true lol, twinkdeath is a term for a reason. Sure, some get genetically lucky and don't experience it but most do age out of it. Aging as a male is slightly more graceful than aging as a female but that's mostly just due to menopause, trans women would not suffer the same fate.

>>45255492
I was talking about puberty, but if I was trans I would have also known back then. and I would have either starved myself to stall growth or I would have stolen money from my parents to get hrt or just thrown temper tantrums so that they would have taken me to a gender clinic and cried but I never cried about puberty, it just, the body hair made me uncomfortable and I did cry about it one time but God knows I'm weak as hell and that is why he didn't make me a woman, imagine being 11 years old or something like that and having to grow new organs.

>>45255538
>o you don't care about having hips or breasts or other female secondary sex characteristics? This is a rather weak case to make.


It really isn't possible to tell if you would develop reverse dysphoria until you take cross sex hormones. At least for me. But it doesn't matter because I'm a moid id be a moid with boobs not a woman and also my skull is too large and my shoulders are too broad and I'd never pass facially or physically. Best thing I can do with my life is develop another repper cope like anti aging treatments or skin care and sterilize myself so no one else will suffer like I suffer.

If God wanted me to be a woman he would have made me a 5'5 husstuss with passing potential.

>>45255696
All I'm hearing is that you think you wouldn't pass if you transitioned. You won't really know unless you try. I haven't seen definitive above-and-beyond proof for you that it's over either, and I don't exactly trust your self-recollection of it.
>Best thing I can do with my life is develop another repper cope like anti aging treatments or skin care
I took these things up in the past, they don't really help as I mentioned before.
>If God
Blah blah blah plenty of trans women do it anyways and invariably beat the odds. This isn't an excuse. I believe in you.

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iwnbaw :(

>>45255722
What would you do if you could afford ffs ( crazy hypothetical I know) but what if you could eventually afford it and still looked male afterwards.

It's just that my odds of looking good even after surgery would be below 40% it's not bdd. I'd look like lilly Tino after her ffs or worse.

Would I at that point just have to rope? Detransition and try to date cis people ( wouldn't work because I would have to tell them I was a freak in the past and still am a freak) or just continue to be a clocky tranny until I developed depression and I roped?

What would even be the point of trying something you already know is statistically very unlikely to turn out well due to your measurements?

It'd be like doing a thing you know that won't work hoping it will work just because? A surgeon can't make your head smaller

If you really think about it this train of thought makes me faketrans because a real trans woman would never consider detransitioning, repressing for life and she would get surgeries to do harm reduction instead of only wanting to get them if she could look good.

>>45255841
>what if you could eventually afford it and still looked male afterwards.
Sure, charlotte (tripfriend here) said something like that, saying every FFS surgeon who saw her told her it was over. I can accept that for her it might be over. You don't really have that same level of evidence do you? And she's still on HRT anyways.
>measurements
Have you actually measured yourself with a caliper or are you just larping? Have you gotten a DEXA scan? How do you know that fat redistribution wouldn't save you?
>head
You can make a statistical grouping sure but it's not at all how people judge passing. I mean for the most part passing has to do with face (makeup works) and body (shoulder/bust/waist/hips are the main measurements and usually respond to fat redistribution, breast augmentation, and lifting).
Point is, you don't KNOW it's unlikely to work, you're just caught up in your dooming. Go ahead and do the actual legwork to prove it if you really believe it to be true. It's not a lot of work on paper anyways, you could reasonably do it all in a few weeks.

Reddit pushing the tranny algorithm is most likely why I'm here right now. I could have just stayed as a good little AGP but no I just had to hate myself more than I already did.

>>45255882
How tall is she? Did she share her measurements? No I mean going outside and seeing all the men and seeing that my head is larger than most of theirs is solid evidence I would say.

Idk if I could get my measurements somewhere because I wouldn't trust myself to do the job.

And you didn't answer my question. You need to account for the worst case ( very realistic scenario for me ) what would someone do if they got ffs and still looked very male?

>>45255486
Fuckin' tragic innit?

>>45255954
>How tall is she? Did she share her measurements?
Not sure, you might want to ask her. I believe 6'2" or something. Don't know how often she's around here.
>is solid evidence I would say.
No it's not.
>measurements
Maybe get a friend to do it for you but I'd hope they'd call out your brainworms.
>what would someone do if they got ffs and still looked very male?
Sure, then you could say it's over. It wouldn't even be that difficult to detransition if you were manmoding the entire time. But you haven't done that so I don't know why you bring it up as a reason to fear trying. It seems that most people who get FFS do pass.

>>45255882
>every FFS surgeon who saw her told her it was over
anon, she's a passer. Ignore BPD posters

>>45255486
Are you anime vagina anon or someone else? Did your tastes evolve?

>>45256002
That is because most people who get ffs don't have a skull as huge as mine and I'm not going to post their face because seriously no one needs to see that jumpscare, but lilly Tino is what happens when a cisgender rogd agp man with a huge skull like myself thinks he can look like a woman after ffs ( their skull size clocks them, as well as their body even if they soften some features).

>>45256026
I just hadn't seen any pics of her but I believe you. I tend to think people are telling the truth and wouldn't outright lie about what someone else said :/
>>45256040
>most people who get ffs don't have a skull as huge as mine
FFS has little to do with your skull size but ok. Stop being so mean to yourself.
>lilly Tino
Did she get FFS?
>>45255731
Go hit the gym nona.

>>45256002
If someone can face pass after ffs they are true trans if they can't after ffs they are fake trans this is because cisgender men like me and Nick are more masculine physically and we have a bigger skull, we have always been like that because we never had dysphoria and we were straight growing up, we just got rogd and agp somewhere along the way and the only difference between me and him is that I can still save my life If I choose to opt out of my depravities and delusions. I have the soul and skull of a cis moid and so does he.

>>45256097
Yes she did and guess what she looks like shit because ffs doesn't shrink your skull and it also doesn't make your ribcage smaller or your shoulders less wide

>>45256109
See >>45256097 . Are you the same poster? Why reply to me twice? Are there multiple people here convinced they have ROGD? How awful.

>>45255264
I only WISH I could be one.

But I always have beard shadow no matter how I shave, and leg hair that takes forever to shave and always grows back longer

FML

>>45256121
You only selected one of my posts but yes I think you are talking about two different posts from me.

>>45256119
Some people dispute she got FFS but I'm not going to go there, let's even assume she got the best FFS money can buy (unlikely).
>ribcage smaller
You can get BA which makes this somewhat less relevant. As for waist, you can let fat distribute to your hips and also hit it with exercise of course.
>shoulders less wide
Same thing. Also you need to spend a while on HRT for the cartilage around the shoulders to atrophy which will reduce circumference by a few cm.

Four months of doing skincare and no noticeable changes. Is this normal? Getting a bit worried.

>>45256202
None of that fixes the skull I'll never be able to safely girlmode in public because my upper body is too masculine but
in any case it would be honmoding and id get either hate crimed or mocked but In any case can you keep sharing information about measurements/ procedures/ just troon stuff in general? I'm interested as a cis guy

Is this really just a fetish for you? Idk anon I'm not convinced

>>45256033
I am separate

>>45256202

I will never be able to wear a cute dress while walking through the streets of a southern european country. Do you also have this depraved fetish anon?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRgeLr2jTRs/

You told me you were agp but I don't know if that means that you literally get off to the idea of being a woman and that you are literally autophilic or you're just using the terminology as a joke and you would be a transbian who is only attracted to other people.

>>45247570
$6000 / $20000 saved up for my V-line chin reduction + zygoma shaving + rhinoplasty + alarplasty surgery goals. WAGMI FFS reppers

South Korea is Best Korea because of their feminizing surgeries for cis males.

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>>45254869
T absolutely make you more horny. It's getting popular by cis women to balance their T to maintain their sex drive.
Suppressing T have been used to control sexual behavior in pedos, rapists and (voluntarily) for people with problematic sexual issues.

Any mental effect is indirect IMO.

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How close or far are y'alls transition goals to/from the general international societal notion of a "hot woman"?

Think big tits, white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, high heels, makeup, dress, wine, the beach, etc.

>>45256438
I have $20k+ but it's not enough.

>>45256438
no amount of surgery could fix this disaster >>45254282

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Is she the first person in history to develop rogd and transition because of it?

I remember I saw the movie "the Danish girl" and in the movie well first of all Lily dated a woman so we know for a fact she was a gynephile ( faketrans) but then one day her wife who was a painter, needed a substitute muse for her painting because the girl she had arranged to meet didn't make it and that is when she told Lili to put on a dress, before that she was basically a normal cis guy I think and yeah initially she was hesitant but they started doing that more often and she started to liked it, she caught rogd and then transitioned.

That's the type of thing that can happen to you if you are a sensitive cis guy without a medical condition of transsexuality but nonetheless you are neurodivergent.

>>45256818
All it takes is to see your own feminized reflection and fall in love, especially if you never experienced requited love before

>>45255478
I think being more stable as a woman might be a cope in my case. If I was born female and grew up with the same personality and conditions I have as a male, I would definitely become a femcel for sure. And yeah, I would rather be a femcel than an incel, but it's still not ideal. Ideally I would just want to be the most normal woman possible, going through the typical life path and eventually becoming a wife and mother, and obtaining fulfillment at the end of it all.

>>45254869
> There are no mental effects it's all placebo
the only mental change i need is bringing back my ability to cry. i feel less than human now.

>>45252707
imagine a repgen polycule where it's this but with big hairy suicidal men

>>45252759
I really do despise spiteful failures like you. I'm smart enough to know that attempting to transition couldn't help me at this point, but I've seen what it can do for other people with my own eyes. If you think they should be destroyed and forced to be like me then you are an evil person. I don't want anyone else to suffer like this even if I have to.

>>45251453
I've been out of those spaces for a while now, but funnily enough Anglin was actually not that anti-trans if I remember correctly

>>45256578
i just want to be a normal mildly geeky looking woman, not an instagram bimbo

>>45257399
literally what are you talking about.

>>45251453
>>45257454
wait nvm I was mixing up SF with DS

>>45255445
how the hell would you know jackass
25 is basically teen tier

freshly shaved legs feels nice
wish I'd eaten a thousand calories less today than I did, but not badly enough to try and throw up my dinner.

>>45258500
we're not joining your 'cord fuck off faggot
real men like us don't use discord

>>45256578
transition goals are pure suifuel, my only goal is
>find a way to make some decent money
>rep if it gets too bad
>hrtrep if hardrepping becomes unbearable

>>45256263
Skincare is barely real.
>>45256269
>skull
Measurements or stfu for the last time please.
>upper body is too masculine
Well you can change that and HRT indeed does help quite a bit!
>>45256401
>I will never be able to wear a cute dress while walking through the streets of a southern european country.
You very well could be! Please stop comparing yourself to like the top 1% of women that get thousands of views on social media.
When I say I'm AGP, I would say that my AGP is not solely sexual. Of course there are sexual aspects to it and I do believe myself to be mostly gynephilic.
>>45256542
It doesn't make you more horny. Women are just as horny. It just makes you more *sexually aggressive*, which I noted. You are more likely to go for sexual things. But it does not increase the base rate of horny feelings in the head. Source: chat up literally any horny woman.
>>45256438
Good luck but have you tried makeup and fat redistribution first?
>>45256578
I want to be somewhat of a tomboy/femme depending on my mood, but I'm not entirely woman.
>>45256818
It's just tiring seeing you retcon at this point so I am going to stop entertaining this until you provide real evidence that ROGD is real.
>>45257070
You'd think that the differences in socialization may not lead to you growing up with the same personality and conditions.
>>45257208
It's placebo. Sorry anon. Maybe do some introspection and find a safe place to be alone.
>>45258670
There's no reason you couldn't manmode (hrtrep) now! You'll be in a better position should you ever choose to transition in the future (and even if you don't, you'd arguably be mildly happier with your body). Also consider laser of course.

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>>45247570
I guess I am a repressor
I didn't want to consider myself such but I've thought about transitioning over 3 times now and made excuses everytime why I can't do it
Reasons being I can't get hrt, even if I did I'm on medication that might conflict with it, too afraid to tell my doctor or family, etc.
I'm pretty sure the time for me to tell my family has past too because my mom was like really supportive in the past but now they (mom and step dad) go to church and I'm pretty sure they're conservative and I'm not sure how they'd react
I'm too afraid to do anything now I mean im only like 60% or less confident hrt would help me and the negatives outweigh the benefits like if I tell my family and the worst happens I get kicked out and probably cut off from the support I been getting and have to stop going to college and at that point my life is basically over
I don't know what to do