What was it like to be a tranny in the 2000s
>what was it like to be x in time before dayBetter plus also worseEasier plus also harderMore accepting while also more ostracizing
Well i can only speak for this place as an oldfag who started hrt at 17 in 2007.It was a lot easier. Because of medical criteria. Go to doctors office get refer to therapist get drugs. And socially wayyyyy less pressure. Traps were a thing and trannies but actually transitioning as a person was less problematic primarily because people were less hyper vigilant for trannies, but also less prejudiced and more cliquish so you could just be a freak or emo or faggot or whatever and it doesnt make much of a difference because no ones going to look for you to call you a tranny. Everyone called them shemales or traps and they were limited to brazilian women with lip filler and linetrap and some justachat trannies eventually and tripfags here. I would say it was less pressurized than now which is honestly depressing.
>>45279985things have really regressed socially... feel robbed
>>45279985wtf are you talking about? Yeah when the average emo boy would get beat up you're gonna try to claim that it was somehow easier?Stop larping my generationThings have unironically only gotten better since then, and I'm talking as someone who was in a more progressive region of the world and not one of those places that kept killing bi teens
>>45280279I don't know what youre talking about desu. You must not be american. In mid 00s I was 'emo' even and people did not care or specifically beat up emo people. Your experience sounds weird and exceptional if you aren't larping which i have seen zoomers do. No one cared about trannies in particular at all. Even making fun of shemales or ladyboys was relegated to idk talking about the hangover movies.
>>45279741It was shit. You get called a tranny by kids adults. Everyone considers you a freak. Sex work was the only place for trannys. Shit got better now. There is some humanization but yea the media is making it worse again. Youngshits right now like to pretend that it was paradise back then(it wasnt). I trooned out in late 1990s with help from my high school clique and some groomerst. 46 fag
>>45279741Those were halcyon days. We had no cares except what we could make out in fallout boy lyrics
>>45280423then yes you either didn't live during that time or you were a shutin who wished they actually went out and experienced life in the 2000sThings were not pretty, teens would get hate crimed for sounding gay. Zoomers have the wrong idea about how it was like for the average emo kid simply because it was popular and on the media but they would get bullied like crazy simply because they were slightly feminine or stood out.And now when it comes to anything trans people were not only severely uneducated but violence was much more common.If gay/bi kids had to hide where do you think trans people could be? It was extremely hard to find a trans person and most would just be abused in sex work, there were no places to go.Most people's exposure to trans people were the generic joke in american media where they vomit instantly the moment they find out someone is transStop larping my generation, you have no idea what you're talking about.I myself had friends who were killed and I'm not gonna have another stupid 2000s nostalgia poser try to rewrite history
>>45280279Oh shut the fuck up lol, things back then we're significantly more lax than now. I came out to my family in 2006 in middle school after I moved that summer and never had issues until after I left college in the mid 10s and trannies were a target because of the target put on us by insane leftist Tumblrfags
>>45280668fuck off poserget a life
>>45279985Uhh I started in the 2020s and didn't need to go to a therapist, I just went IC. In the 2000s you had a lot more gatekeepers. Also you could not come out as trans at your job, from what I've heard it was literal career suicide. Now you can do it now problem. The only thing thats worse now is that it's harder for tall trans women to pass, since people have gotten good at using height as a tool for clocking.
>>45279985sad to read how we as a society got so easily manipulated into being a mass of hateful trash. tracks with my experience as a closeted cis fag tho. i had a cool ladyboy friend and it never crossed my mind that she would be hated more than the generic, weak hate that everyone threw at the mentally ill
Being trans in the 00s sucked because there was like no resources or networking but at the same time it was x100000 easier to stealth because transgenderism wasn't even a thing that crossed the average person's mind. the first transgender person I ever knew about was Buck Angel because my friend showed me him on Google in 2008? and bet me whether I thought that was a woman or not. And obv being 12 I thought there was no fucking way that's a cis woman but little did I know.
>>45280423>>45280640no i was emo too and i didnt get bullied for it at all. like half my school was some form of emo around 2005. we were casually homophobic like calling things gay as a synonym for bad but also had openly gay friends and there was a gsa with lots of members too but yeah it was so not known about that i only remember bailey and the traps and i thought it was all about luck and surgery in a body mod as an extension of crossdressing kinda way not even as like a gender thing
>>45282439oh yeah clearly the average person clearly used the term trap in 2005 and not some shutin weeb deeply into anime. This wasn't 2012.
>>45279741Orgasmic
>>45282720I feel like "he-she" was a big one that time forgot.
>>45279741it was limited to real niggas only
>What was it like to be a tranny in the 2000sI socially transitioned at 14 in 2005 and did a lot of advocacy work with other gay and trans people both locally and across the state. It sucked ass. Even in a very progressive area and as someone who tried to stand up for myself, I was beaten, sexually assaulted, not able to use any bathroom without violence or threats of violence. There were no workplace or housing protections and few school protections. It was much more dangerous to come out/be outed to parents.Medical transition was hard. youth transition was not really a thing for a number of reasons. The ACA did not exist so insurance could boot you entirely for being trans or deny shit like cancer treatment if they could claim it was related to transition or you were just trying to get transition paid for. The process was longer and required the "real life test." I was not technically supposed to be greenlit because of being gay and gender nonconforming, and I was coached by my IRL trans community on how to get through. I needed years of backlog just to start HRT at 18 when my family couldn't stop me any more. So I was stuck with the one therapist, and she knew it. She started sexually harassing me for fun when it got close to time for writing my letters. there was nobody else I could see. I was also sexually assaulted and consistently ridiculed and demeaned by a number of other medical professionals. Most trans people I knew from back then experienced similar.
>>45279741I got called a faggot every day for despite not even being out yet and then when I first started transitioning got strangled on a walk and had a group of young men follow me in a car yelling ‘oh shit do we have to kill this faggot?’ at me around 2009, hope helps.There were a few upsides though, like us being just a kind of weird thing that wasn’t constantly on everyone’s minds meant despite being hated our rights weren’t constantly in danger. Oh and if you weren’t stealth passable you’d have to either be a sex worker or a retired boomer you weren’t getting hired.
There was no concept of being respectful to trans people, or transphobia, much less as a bad thing. It's a little hard to get across without sounding like I'm just minimizing the shittiness of today.These days there's a lot of virulent transphobes and cis people as a whole retain transphobic views and assumptions and gut feelings, but everyone sort of knows that there is such a thing as being or not being a transphobe and a lot of people at least in theory think that's a good thing. Back then, trans people were almost universally viewed as circus freaks. If we were beaten or raped we were pretty much asking for it, and of course nobody would be super respectful with us because by being trans you were being inappropriate in public. Adults would, straightfacedly, ask me how I had sex or whether I had XYZ body part, on the bus apropos of nothing, or while conducting an eye exam, or at parent-teacher night. they would be mystified and annoyed if I didn't answer gladly. they considered nonviolence to be respect enough.the trans community, and queer community in general, that I met IRL was really important. Minus some expected drama, we behaved almost as family, and were very supportive of each other's transitions and identities. there were plenty of nonbinary people also (we would have said genderqueer usually) and they were readily accepted and supported through the medical gatekeeping by elder trans people like many of us were. They were correctly perceived as in the same trash bin as the rest of us.There was almost no decent trans representation in media. It made trans webcomics (always by trans authors/artists) and the few instances of trans people in print (even if for just a few lines) really matter to me. I watched Ma Vie En Rose over and over. I checked Venus Envy all the time. Trans women were dead hookers (ie a punchline) or monsters, comedic or scary. Trans men were Brandon Teena or nothing. Nonbinary people were nothing.
>>45279985A bunch of unsightly fat dorks had to ruin this for everyone
To this day, I notice behavior + feelings that are a result of coming out at that time. An expectation of no boundaries or privacy, even including physical privacy. Willingness to explain trans issues to any dumbass cis person ad nauseam if there's even a chance of improving them. PTSD from the DIY conversion therapy my mom put me through when I was finally outed at home, and from the knowledge if it was just 10 years later, I would have skipped four more years of puberty body horror. The feeling that any other given trans person is basically family, something that takes a lot of effort or counterevidence to dismiss.
>>45286568>youth transition was not really a thing for a number of reasons*medicalized, formal youth transition. People, mostly girls, did DIY. TS Roadmap had info on getting a PO Box and ordering estrogen.
My only idols where camwhores
>>45287164I forgot how if you searched for anything trans related back then, it would literally yield porn and basically nothing else. Line Trap probably did more for trans rights unironically than any actual activists did.
>>45287368When I was really young there was a site that had every movie that had a trans character
>>45287368I am remembering the hrt guides that were normally made by cammers, they were the people too look up to.
>>45279741I remember as a kid trying to chat with older transwomen in an aol chat room
>>45282720yeah it was. the person who introduced me to /b/ was a normie sharing cat pics
https://web.archive.org/web/20080925045338/http://img.420chan.org/cd/res/18682.html2008 hrtgen lol https://web.archive.org/web/20070107193924/http://img.420chan.org/cd/index.html2007 indexyeah
>>45290475cds have always been different from trannies, did they just inhabit the same board or?
>>45290497oh thats just the url of the board it was both at the time. hence the hrt gen. later they changed the board to tg but kept the url. maybe gives u a sense of how it was.
>>45290475wonder how many people from here are still on /tttt/ now
>>45290497Technically speaking crossdressers are under the transgender umbrella term
>>45280423Did you grow up in a big city in California or in rural Alabama? It's a mistake to try and project your experience in one place to the other just because they're in the same country, the cultural divide is massive.
>>45279985>people were more cliquish so you could just be a freak or emo or faggot or whatever and it doesnt make much of a differencei really miss that about back then it was nice
>>45286568>>45286649>>45286720Yeah I was terrified of this happening to me at that age, especially with how my parents, church, and adults at school would talk about 'fags' and the like. Even had a teacher humiliate me in public for supposedly wearing my shirt 'like a faggot'. So I just repped hard like a coward.
It was more acceptable to go into a professional workplace and tell your boss you fuck dogs than to come out as trans.If you stealthed it was ok. Chasers didnt really exist. I would tell men i was transgender and they'd reply "whats that?". I used to be a boy and now im a girl. Some had a problem, some didnt.It was an extremely violent time in my life, i was attacked regularly. Eventually i learnt i was different to cis people, and if someone shouts abuse, dont shout back. Dont stand up to people. Run away, never fight. Never be confrontational. Its bad now but the 2000s was a very, very violent time. Fashion was better though
>>45291926It was seriously violent I got strangled in front of a mall and people just kind of walked past without getting involved or intervening, if the dudes girlfriend hadn’t intervened I would probably be dead, it’s why I always laugh when people think like.. tranny ackjacks and things are supposed to be triggering to us, if you have feared for your life at the hands of people that want to kill you and experienced real violent hate crimes that shit looks so silly
>>45291591according to who, some woke retards on twitter? no trans person I know welcomes cds or considers them trans
>>45280423>>45280279Where I live ld being an emo was just being a corp made poser akin to a reddit or furry is now. We probably called you a slut or a fag and ignored you.
>>45280640No they'd get bullied because they like redditors and the manosphere right wing tags were so incredibly forced. Oooo I'm so depressed with my $45 jeans and $85 of accessories and my 1hour long hair routine. Look at my avatar of me with a tear drawn on my face with blood. Im so deep and brooding. I'm a lost child. My upper middle class parents that drive a Ford f250 extended cab and escalade don't understand me until one day my father took me into the city to see a marching band xD
>>45281397>x100000 easier to stealthYes but you would have been called a faggot and bullied to hell. Its the same shit just without calling you a tranny. Im old and remember being punched in the face just for looking androgynous. I got beat up just for my appearance i didnt do anything wrong
>>45292872nta but man all this upset over being poor and projection is totally irrelevant. I can only speak for myself but in a tranny context at least emo was appealing to me because guys doing emo were allowed to have long hair, makeup, painted nails, and otherwise got to be 'soft and emotional' and in many respects traditionally 'feminine'. For someone like me that felt like it was an almost-obtainable excuse to do things I wanted to as a repressed tranny in a way that was at least semi-acceptable. The whole "I'm depressed woe is me" bit was a bonus because yeah I was depressed as shit as a repressed tranny in the fucking 00's. I didn't end up going for it only because I knew even that much gnc would've lead to my lower middle-class family screaming at and insulting me. None of that shit about 'uh, your emotions don't count because you're not a starving child in africa' or 'you're just a poseur capitalist fake-goth fake-punk!' ideological shit has any relevance.
>>45292872I’m not the one you’re arguing with but you kinda exposed yourself as a larper with the last bit, emos in the 00s as well as scene kids would actually consider you a poser for listening to mcr back then and most people basically hated that band, only Zoomers learning about the era in hindsight believe that was popular and not industry plant stuff. You would have found more emo and scene kids listening to grindcore and such than mcr
>>45287368Fucking honestly true. Bailey Jay is a queen and doesn't get enough respect
>>45287368>>45293000She kinda reinforced the presumption in my mind at the time that if I trooned out I'd end up as a camwhore/prostitute which was repfuel. Just personally, it did the opposite of help me.
>>45293075In an era where every other instance of representation was just a gorilla cis man with ketchup lipstick played for laughs I seriously refuse to believe that a hot trans woman that got along well with cishet men was the thing that broke you
>>45293107It wasn't the 'thing that broke me', or what got me started repping (being sent to conversion camp and Jesus hating me is what did that.) It was just more repfuel, more reasons to keep repping as I entered my late teens. "Even if I did get away from my family and transitioned and I didn't end up as an ugly monster look, every transwoman who looks good ends up being a whore, which is immoral and wrong. I don't want to get forced into sexwork, I'd probably get AIDS and die because most sexworkers get AIDS." And such logic loops. "People can pass" was a nice thought (though I didn't believe that could be me) but everything else about her played into fears I already had and reinforced them.
>>45279741Started at 21 at 2014.In the 00s, information weren't around the internet was inits infancy.When I repped from 11 to 14, information were barely there, too. But fortunately it was before the time facebook became the entire internet, so websites existed, mostly in English. And /tttt/ in ye olden days was much more accommodating and the oldshit cutoff was 25, now it's like 16 or some retarded shit like that. (As if ppl could transition pre-adulthood top lel). The procedures were still legal, since then legal gender recognition has been constitutionally outlawed, hrt is all but.In the roaring 10s, all I needed was 2 psych letters and a paper from the urologist and that was it. And ppl actually helped me. The community existed and it was great physically meetingppl and making friends.The drawback: hondosing was a thing and injectables were unheard of.
>>45293151It really sounds like you were just projecting your insecurities on everything out of dysphoria and anything you encountered was going to be repfuel at that point because that’s just a very strange way of interpreting things
>>45293075Fair enough desu she was definitely just thriving off of attention. It seemed like really positive attention though and gave me the feeling like it was actually possible to exist and not be hated. But yeah it was grim that there was zero representation outside of that. Also when she literally started doing porn I got kinda sad.
>>45293182Yes, that is literally and exactly what I'm telling you. I'm not faulting her at all, all I'm saying is that as a product of the repressive and sheltering environment I grew up in, and in the midst of the self-destructive logic loops I had trapped myself in, encountering Bailey on 4chan when I was a teen served as repfuel. That's not her doing anything wrong, it's more like giving a counterexample of how the culture and lack of knowledge in the 00's around transness for retarded teens like myself could result in even relatively positive rolemodels (not that I'm a big fan of sexwork even now) backfiring. If anything blame me for internalizing the transphobia everyone around me irl was spouting and being too much of a coward to resist it.>>45293224Yeah I get how it can help, I just wanted to express my own experience. Confidence and conviction can turn something like that completely on its head, you just have to start with the assumption "That could be me" instead of "That could never be me."
>>45293244> positive representation makes me rep> negative representation makes me repYippee, a puzzle with no answer.I think that examples like her changed some cisgender peoples minds about us which is the best we could have hoped for then desu
>>45293301She probably has helped overall, and I would've kept repping regardless because of a host of other neuroses so I can agree with that.
>>45281397its actually insane how people literally just didnt consider that trans stuff could exist. unironically the only reason i learned about it was making friends with little weirdos on /b/ who were very very politely like "pls dont call me a trap theres another word we prefer : )"
>>45279790fpbp
>>45292719This is how i realised normies are pure evil. They feel no compassion. I too was attacked in public, i was 13 i remember crying and screaming for help.No help came. Hard to believe that was 26 years ago now. I think younger tranners now are better off, just because of DIY and online communities. Very lonely time for me, being a kid
>>45292949Idk Black Parade was seen as a great album
>>45292929exactly. In the early 2000s there was exactly one out gay kid in my entire high school and he was completely socially ostracized. Everyone else hid it until college and society got more welcoming in the 2010s. On the other hand, when I transitioned it was so much easier to pass and stealth because no one was aware of trans people outside of Jerry Springer.
>>45295490my best friend back then once told me that he hated faggots, but 'half a faggots' like me were okay, I still have no fucking idea what that meant
>>45281397this this this x100
I was a youngshit in the early 2000s and I had a wonderful time (: the local support group had a field trip to see X-2 x men united. It was fun! I still remember. This other girl helped me set up an snes emulator on network so we could play secret of mana together. There were no theyfabs or transmascs yet. Every ftm just wanted to be a boy and start T ASAP and had names like “Scott” and “Tony”. The girls all wanted to date the trans guys cuz they were masc and cool. I mean you had to have been there but they had straight aura. I think it was like .. wanna say 2014?? When trans mascs just exploded into the scene, and then quickly outnumbered normal trans guys, and it never really recovered. Now dating a trans guy doesn’t feel ‘straight’ anymore… well, at least compared to early 2000s ftms…Idk I miss it more. Maybe my life was just better then.Even cis guys were better back then. ‘Gamer guys’ before gamer gate were a lot of fun and friendly and cute. ….. but I was a pretty lucky youngshit…
