>>45283410
Mom found mine when I became freshly employed and she just told me she loves me unconditionally so good luck

What's in the bag exactly

>>45283446
My parents have kept complaining about "men who call themselves women" or making it onto sports teams or using the self-identified gender restrooms, to this day. And some of it's genuinely fetish stuff. It's not just CD clothes it's also fetish gear.

I've never wanted to kms more in my life.

>>45283473
Oh yeah mine were just dresses, that sounds rough, maybe play it off as a girlfriend is into it?

>>45283410
>And I'm about to move to a new apt in a few days
in that case none of this really matters. you're fine. she will probably not mention it at all and if she does who gives a shit about a few awkward moments, it'll all be irrelevant shortly anyway.

>>45283487
No she's caught me CDing in her clothes as a teen and I had to "uncome out" as trans

And I've never had girls over and it's pretty well-established in their minds it's not in my nature for me to do that kind of thing. So there's pretty much no way around it

>>45283619
>tfw i see my dead name
fuckfuckfucjkcfucjyou

>>45283619
Yeah just say that

Script I'm planning to use:
"Hey mom I know you saw the bag in my room full of women's clothes and fetish stuff and I know you fucking hate me. And yes it is sexual, but look mom I'm an adult and I'd really appreciate it if you don't judge me for that. No I'm not trans but I'm honestly experimenting with it. And this isn't like when I was 16 and tried wearing your clothes because I bought all of this with my own money."

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>>45283677
Alt script: MOM, WELCOME TO TROON TOWN

>>45283410
Genuinely just don't say anything. Sometimes it's better to leave things unsaid. If she does comfort you just say it's something you like to do in your spare time. Don't give anything more than that. You're an adult who's financially Independent and about to be on your own so just ride it out until then.

>>45283410
the question is if u look good in it or not. if ur a fat uglychud, they wont support u. if u are pretty they'll be more accepting

>>45283677
u don't need to tell her it's sexual, u can literally just stick to "i bought them w my own money, let's not have this conversation" and ur moving out anyway

>>45283742
Going down rn for dinner. Should I bring it up or let mom bring it up?

>>45283875
For real, it's usually better to say nothing when you're in doubt.

>>45283410
Do you pass?

>>45284140
No I'm pre pre everything

>>45283875
Update?

>>45285193
In my room chilling. Moved the bag of clothes to the closet.

Honestly, kinda glad I'd used a garbage bag. Because if my mom ever brings it up again, potentially as soon as tomorrow, I could just say it's stuff I was throwing out and that I did throw it out.

I just wish I had parents who didn't diss trans or even plain GNC people being able to win at sports, transition young, or just live a satisfying fulfilled life.

But now mom has blackmail or something I guess. And you know what the best way to get rid of the blackmail is? Killing yourself.

>>45283677
dont say that, dont say anything. if it ever comes out just act like they are nothing more than your clothes like any other. you grouped them in a bag separately because of shame, which you learned from others and internalized, not because there is anything inherently immoral about the clothing itself

>>45285309
I'm not sure you understand the gravity of the situation tbho

My mom (and a sibling) have been wanting to help me move to my new apt, e.g. assembling furniture or whatever

And tf am I to do? Scream at them to leave me alone b/c "I got this myself"?

I'm just so disappointed this has been happening so close to the finish line

>>45285309
What about the fetish stuff

>>45283410
Anon, she wants this conversation far less than you do. Don't bring it up, chances are she won't either.

>>45284177
Not even when crossdressing?

literally what is embarrassing about it
also get on hrt probably

>>45283410
>she was cleaning my room
manchild slob

>>45283410
Sorry that this happened to you nona. She shouldn't be looking through your room at 22, you're a fully grown woman. The good news is that you move out in a few days, if you don't mention it then there's a good chance she won't either.

The "shame" is a stress response and you're seeking the familiar comfort of your parents and their expectations.
This will pass once you settle into your new place and are less dependent on your parents; you'll feel more free to set your own expectations for yourself. It will work out :)

>>45286181
I have a corpo wageslave job, but the office is like 30 minutes from where I live, so I took the "life hack live with parents to save money" pill

>>45287582
Based. White people are specifically targeted with this MOVE OUT AT 18 AND MAKE YOUR OWN WAY psyop to break up the family and keep them poor.
Stick with your family for as long as you can.
It is not "manly" or "mature" to pay rent.

If you are making bank why are you living with your parents
Seems like this entire thing is made up

>>45283410
I think how you proceed depends on how close you are to your parents and your general relationship with them. For now I wouldn’t say anything. Play it as cool as you can. Do not let them see you break a sweat over it.

>>45287630
what if living with them breathing down my neck stresses me tf out and i'm lonely and wanna live with my friends instead

>>45287687
If your parents/family are genuinely bad to you, then I support you moving out.
I'd say stick with siblings if they are like minded, or make sure your friends are tight and trustworthy if you do go that route.

many parents change their tune once they see it personally affects them, but that is only if their love for you is more important to them than the opinions of people outside of your immediate family.
if your family cares more about the opinions of others they are not family worth having anyway.

>>45287705
they're not bad to me at all i'm just insane and hate living with them for no good reason

>>45287721
Well then obviously I'm going to recommend you work on yourself and your relationship with your family.

>>45287687
This isn't me (op) btw

>>45287665
Strained in recent years for reasons not directly involving gender expression

>>45287642
Because, again, I live like 30 mins away from my office and I was worried doing so would waste money or miss some "financial life hack"

>>45287630
I'm not white I'm a chink. And to clarify, my parents are relatively mild for chink parents. Like they're not "A or nothing" kinds of people. And they're proud of me for getting a good job and making bank in an economy where hardly anyone my age gets a good job or makes bank, and all that.

But I'm simply convinced that them (well, mom only, see below) finding a bag of hidden femboy clothes and even BDSM gear very likely puts a wrench in that. Even if she's trying super hard not to explode or whatever.

And what complicates things is that one of them is visiting a different country right now.

>>45285443
its the perfect time for it to happen isnt it?
>>45286049
we are sexual beings. whats weirder, to have children and expect them to be either vanilla cishet scripted or asexual, or to accept that sexuality is vast and love your children however they are? your sexuality isnt hurting them, and if it is, thats their own problem.

>>45287808
I thought chinese don't care if you're gay as long as you have children.

>>45287808
Do you CD just for men to paw at you? To have their way with you?
>thread TLDR

>>45283705
I can't pull a natural look I have to use stuff like wigs and shapewear and all that jazz

But then again every troon/sissy/drag queen is like that to an extent, no?

>>45287808
Hey you're literally me, not sure about your parents but for mine as long as they viewed me as highly competent and well earning they didn't really care, I would say you need to balance their view of you as not a degenerate who can go off the deep end, but someone who's put together and is maybe a tad sexually indulgent, really don't know what your parents are like tho

>>45288206
My folks have a genuinely disparaging view of LGBT people overall. Not even just the T, e.g. they've gotten mad at me having a lesbian teacher in ES once. I try not to blame them, seeing as they're 1st-generation immigrants from a (non-brown) 3rd-world country, but they really seem unlikely to change their mind about any of this, and I suppose there's no pleasing everyone...

They tend to yell around the house a lot in general, and it's quite insulting I've had to hear it, even when it doesn't directly involve me. It's been like this for a while, and I had to teach myself to unlearn that as "normal", because it's not.

And that's one of the reasons I've been planning a move out. Shame how god-awful the timing turned out.

>>45288265
Ok yeah sounds alot more challenging, my parents were never to that level. Maybe moving out and having a little distance will let them have some clarity that at the end of the day its not such a big deal and choose to be more practical? All my friend's parents were First gen/mainland parents who seemed near delusional to me with some of their beliefs, but fundamentally if they had to reconcile with a queer kid my view is that they would be practical and value family/stability more.

You think your parent's are genuinely hateful about queer ppl or moreso they have that insane Asian parent risk adverseness that in their minds don't want their kid to stray from their traditional views?

>>45287582
doesn't mean you shouldn't at least have decency to.clean your own room, does she have to do your laundry and cook all your meals too? cut off the crusts of your sandwiches? wipe your ass for you?

>>45288419
I did clean my own room, she just exposed my hiding space while moving furniture or something

>>45289226
so you don't even know what she was doing in your room? she was probably searching through your stuff on purpose...

like, why are your parents in your room? I live at home and they don't come in without explicit permission, even if they want to get something from my room they'll text me first.

also, obviously don't say "it was sexual", like if a cop asks what drugs you're on you just don't say you have any. except a cop actually wants to know if you're on drug, my guess is your mom will want to turn a blind eye, and also might not have even seen everything in the bag. Just act like nothing happened, if she does bring it up then things might get difficult but no reason to do so

>>45289505
No she'll know her son's trying to hide fetish stuff. You don't know my bitch of a mother like I do.

WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? THERE'S NO WAY OUT AND I'M CORNERED. I FUCKING HATE ANY OF THIS AND NOW I DON'T EVEN HAVE A DAD TO GO TO AND I JUST HATE EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IT'S TOO DEPRESSING AND NOW I'VE PISSED EVERYONE OFF INCLUDING MYSELF AND I DESERVE WHATEVER PUNISHMENT (DURING THIS LIFE OR THE NEXT) THAT'S COMING TO ME. I HARDLY EVEN WISH TO LEAVE MY ROOM. IT'S BAD AND MOM KNOWS IT.

>>45289696
>also, obviously don't say "it was sexual", like if a cop asks what drugs you're on you just don't say you have any.

She knows from previously I own a ball gag. There's truly no way out of this.

It feels so idiotic to rope when I'm so employed and making so much money though

>>45283410
my parents (specifically my mom) found my stash 3 times when i was a teenager.

>>45289786
And here I am, still dealing with the fallout while 22.

>move out you manchild

The fuck did you think I was in the process of doing?

>>45289798
err i didnt say anything specifically this was my first post why did you get mad at me?

>>45289846
Targeting people in general, not you

>>45289853
i didnt read the thread but do you crossdress regularly or just fetish?

>>45283410
you are 22, you support yourself and you're due to move out soon.
move over and grow up. nothing happened and your parents have already accepted that you're an adult and make your own decisions.
>Can't help but wonder if maybe the conservatives and Christians are right about all of this.
which ones? where i'm from a lot of conservatives have fetishes that make CD look tame by comparison lol.

>>45289910
you are oversimplifying his issue, he also wants to maintain a sort of appearance towards his parents

>>45286119
You'll get to suck all the cum out of his highly passing rapestick soon enough, m'homo

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>>45286188
>you're a fully grown woman

lmfao

Manchild with a gooooooooooooooner fetish

>>45289786
mine only did once during early teens and i got quite the beating and her going "what happens to you from this stuff" even though i didn't understand the troon connotations at the time i thought i was just a pervert which makes it quite disappointing because they could've helped me or something then again who knows if she did even
then a few times when i was older than OP but no job only graduated and trying she threw it out and kept making the throw out those things in your room and focus on your career or life connotation
she has a habit of snooping around but i don't think she tells father or maybe he knows but too embarrassed but he was the first to make the loser sissy moron connection in childhood so maybe it's not even news

>>45289929
the parents have already made the decision not to say anything. so the whole issue has already been made simple for him.
there is literally nothing stopping him from carrying on as usual and... that's it.
i'm not oversimplifying his issue, he is overcomplicating an otherwise non-existent issue. >>45283490 is ultimately correct. none of this really matters.

>>45289745
just rub your money in their face dumbass since you keep bringing it up lol just buy your own mansion

>>45289998
idk mine werent this traumatic i guess.

>be 13y/o me, mom finds stash
>tells dad, dad has a 1 on 1 talk with me, asks me why i do it
>i tell some bullshit story about getting hard or whatever cuz i am having my puberty basically at the time and idk what to say

>years pass, be 16 y/o me, mom finds stash again
>this time they have a talk with me together
>they ask if i am gay etc.
>i say no i like girls
>talk about this shit for an hour or maybe more, they ask if i want to go to therapy or whatever on and on

>another 2 years pass, be 18 y/o me, mom finds the stash again
>we have yet another long convo about this
>they are now convinced i am gay but i repeatedly say i am not, (which is true by the way)
>somehow manage to slip by again or they let me go idk but the convo ends in about 2 hours

these were the most embarrassing moments of my life pretty much but i survived i guess.

>>45290028
ah i see, then its not that big of a deal i guess, its still pretty bad optics wise cuz they know who he really is now, but he can ignore it if he wants.

>>45290098
doesn't even seem embarrassing just friendly curiosity
things like 1 on 1 talk, asking about things are not even part of the equation even in more respectable things
and until this year when i properly learned about trauma etc i thought it was all deserved and my fault and i'm embarrassing level of old

>>45290272
well, where i am from these concepts are very hard to talk in general and often associated with a lot of prejudice even from parents, and especially from parents. i didnt want it to be known, and i didnt want to talk about it all, and i didnt want to be seen as a bad kid that ashamed his parents so i got really embarrassed when they found out and started talking about it.

sure it wasnt traumatic like some other people's experiences but still, it was problematic enough for me at the time.

>>45283410
she almost certainly looked in the bag and decided it was your private stuff but didn't have an option to pretend she never cleaned your room at that point
>>45285443
that's basically what i had to do when i moved out. they didn't want to accept me as i was so we drifted apart. i expect the same will happen to you.
mine eventually found out i was planning on having my penis removed and got really mad at me for doing that all of a sudden (it had been years since i told them i was trans and moved out) but i just got it done and figured it was my life and they'd come around if they want to
>>45287960
op is obviously in a better place to say (or perhaps op's parents since op probably grew up in the west) but this is my understanding too
i wonder if the dad has a similar secret bag...
>>45289745
do you know how many cis couples buy some stupid fetish item and then throw it away? how do you think so many sex shops stay open? your parents don't care that you had a kinky hook up once
>>45290098
i was always too scared to build a stash up especially at that age but i remember i told my parents i wanted to transition when i was like 13 and they had a long talk with me and promised a therapist but it never happened and they claimed i grew out of it
i convinced myself but then when i was like 23 and done with college i realized it was time. i told them it was happening this time and when they responded negatively i just moved out.
funny story my brother did have a stash which my mom nearly found more than once but i always warned him if she was poking around his stuff. i don't think he even knows i know. he's very transphobic...

>>45290868
how come your transphobic bro had a stash? mine werent like large stashes though until i got older and moved out, only a couple of stuff.

>>45287630
>Based. White people are specifically targeted with this MOVE OUT AT 18 AND MAKE YOUR OWN WAY psyop to break up the family and keep them poor.
it only keeps people poor because rent is ridiculous, which is because boomers block all attempts to build new housing.
that said it is still 100% worth moving out even if you have to get roommates. shit like the OP is describing is not something adults should have to worry about.

>>45290909
idk he started ordering clothes online. i was too scared at the time if somebody intercepts the mail or finds the invoice or something.
ironic that i'm like a post op openly living as a woman and he's still living at home scared mom will find his secret shoes

>>45290941
forcefem your bro, nona.
> i'm like a post op openly living as a woman
based and congrats.

>>45290941
i dont openly crossdress as well, i just do it for my own leisure at my home

>>45283410
but have they found the horse cock dildo, anon?

>>45283410
Real talk am I immoral?

Couldn't I have averted all this by going to church and praying to God for forgiveness for my fetishes?

>>45290868
>that's basically what i had to do when i moved out. they didn't want to accept me as i was so we drifted apart. i expect the same will happen to you.

Pretty sad outcome ngl. But likely inevitable. Though you never know, a mother's forgiveness knows no bounds.

If I ever decide to go the normie way and have a normie wedding to a cis Christian female, I've all but accepted that this'll probably come up during the ceremony. Heck, I'm honestly treating this as reason NOT to have a traditional Christian cishet country-fried wedding. (In addition to me being a chink.)

>i wonder if the dad has a similar secret bag...
He's morally against CD and in fact might've been even more opposed to it than mom (slightly; they're both transphobic). I still remember the bitterest arguments they'd have when I was a teen shortly after being caught the first time. But Mom has a vibrator. Does that count?

>do you know how many cis couples buy some stupid fetish item and then throw it away? how do you think so many sex shops stay open? your parents don't care that you had a kinky hook up once

It's an open fact in my household that anon here has 0 sex life, with the NOTABLE exclusion of Mr. Hand

>>45292790
>It's an open fact in my household that anon here has 0 sex life, with the NOTABLE exclusion of Mr. Hand
i'm not blaming you for falling for the meme, because a lot of people did, but for everyone else reading: shit like this is why almost no one should ever live with parents 'to save money'
it's constant humiliation rituals like this shit and that fucks with your head

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Update: my mom threw a "small" fit over me wanting my dad to buy me merch of this character as a gift from China, in that she was like "anon why do you want a plushie of a girl character?"

Like mom what dafuq?

>>45292790
nobody fucking knows whether you're having sex or not
your mom having a vibrator is normal
you having a sex toy would be normal
look sex gets treated so awkwardly but everyone has it and when push comes to shove nobody is going to be mad at you for that
your dad being so transphobic just makes me wonder more if he wants to be a woman

my mom eventually accepted me or at least accepted it wasn't going to change