I used to be compassionate towards trannies, but I'm not anymore. Most of you are kind of evil. I think most are poor, low IQ, and terrible people. Most are incredibly self-centered, hedonistic, selfish, with maladaptive behaviors. They make the world a worse place and I don't care if they suffer. I used to be nice to trannies, but I really want to avoid the entire LGBT community. Outside of educated ones with good careers, they are mostly evil losers with peter pan syndrome. I also worry that what normies think about trannies and gays is true. They might actually be more pedophilic, creepy and violent per capita. I think being trans might genuinely be a psyop, I don't see most of you as women because you have zero commitment towards actually honoring the social role. And yeah, I understand that you're a product of your environment and none of this is your fault, but I still expect moral agency from you. You choose to be a piece of shit.
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>>45294127these are pretty radical ideas rather than generic ideas, especially coming from a tranny. this is why I don't like you guys, you are low IQ.
>>45294033Disagree on everything except wanting to avoid the trans community, there’s little to no benefit to participating in it and its norms are so fucked and contrarian that getting too immersed in it is a detriment to anyone trying to live in society as it is.
>>45294033most trannies have rich families doe
>>45294241wtf? lol people just say anything
>>45294201wow that means every other tranny hate post that gets made here every day must be made by really radical thinkers such as yourself and the other /pol/tards, i'm very impressed
>>45294316The vast majority of trannies don’t touch self-criticism with a ten-foot pole. It might not be radical on /tttt/ and its offshoots, but it is pretty radical compared to the dogmatic optimism and entitlement that pervade the broader trans ecosystem.
>>45294033>but I still expect moral agency from you. You choose to be a piece of shit.Free will isn't real or necessary for morality/ethics. You can just expect different behavior regardless of if they can meet you because standards serve a purpose even when we fall short of them.Most people are low IQ and evil. Are you surprised that this place is any different. I'm sorry are you young or something? I understand venting but there's little to nothing to wrap your head around regarding the behavior of internet strangers doing what internet strangers have always done.
>is any differentisn't anyAlso who cares what normies think. Why worry about if what they say is true or not. You don't need to worry because you don't need to trust them because you don't have to base your opinions on the LGBT community off of anecdote and personal experience.You can figure this out with like bare minimum interest in history or evolutionary psychology. People swim downstream. They fill cracks in nature or society and slowly elevate the baseline quality of life of the species. But they swim downstream nonetheless.We take some shortcuts as a species because we're intelligent but we didn't arrive at this point in society out of motal competence. We arrive through trial and error, moving blindly through the hell we made for ourselves. Dragging eachother down for air if need be.Seriously what do you expect.
>>45294457>Free will isn't real I never made that claim, anon. I believe in determinism. That's why I said *but*. The imposition of moral agency and choice are independent from free will. >necessary for morality/ethicsI never made that claim either. >Most people are low IQ and evil. I know, but my observation is that trannies are especially low IQ and evil because of some causal factors unique to them.
>>45294316Sadly, you are low IQ. I didn't say my hate for trannies is unique. My reasons are quite radical, though. Even among 4chan trannies hating on poors and low IQ people are quite radical ideas. Most tranny hating trannies hate them for being AGP, creepy, ruining their optics and being ugly. >and the other /pol/tardsI said my ideas are radical for specifically trannies. Learn to read, anon. I'm sure some extremely mentally ill low IQ trannies visit /pol/ but I'd imagine most don't want to hang out in spaces with ultra far right fascists that hate them.
>>45294241I don't think so but some trans women certainly came from good families. Somehow they still often end up maladjusted, because they are so self-centered and entitled. >>45294223okay agree to disagree
>>45294568Not everything I say is to disprove something you said.When you say someone has agency they're going to take it as you saying they have the free will to choose more than one thing. If you mean ability use that. It just seems like you were ambivalent or confused on what the word agency means. It also seems like you struggled there because you need a way to blame trans people despite believing in determinism so I offered one.Case and pointDave: "I don't want to go to work, Sue. Might stay home."Sue: "Well Dave, you do have agency of your own."Does it seem like sue is saying Dave will pick what he has to pick or that he can pick either option?>I know, but my observation is that trannies are especially low IQ and evil because of some causal factors unique to them.Well most of them have gender dysphoria which is either caused by or causes other mental illnesses or factors of unhealth. That can be said about any group that's defined largely by their shared mental illness... if you were confused on that.To be clear I'm pro LGBT.
>>45294720>Not everything I say is to disprove something you said.I didn't say that either, just clarifying. I don't mean to make the conversation feel contentious. >When you say someone has agency they're going to take it as you saying they have the free will to choose more than one thing. I honestly have problems communicating with laymen. I should dumb down my language but I choose not to. I'm standing by my point, they are different concepts even if normies conflate them. >seems like you were ambivalent or confused on what the word agency meansNot at all. >if you were confused on that.I'm not at all confused on anything, I'm just sharing an observation.
>>45294720Anyway I'm sharing these things because I used to be more nicepilled (I shared that earlier) and normie. I used to think cissoids were just projecting their inner evil, but now I'm realizing they're mostly right. So there's now a disconnect with my prior naivete because I interacted with and observed more trannies and gays. I was just a bit sheltered because I have a good life.
>>45294789Uh terfs aren't mostly right about trannies. They come to a lot of dumb conclusions like "gender dysphoria isn't real, mtfs are just perverted men" because negativity towards an entire group is largely emotional not bipartisan.At the very least they generalize so they lack nuance and can be immediately dismissed on the basis of the importance of nuance.For example I would rather say that most people are wrong if their opinion was that grass is purple if the scientific consensus is that while some grass can be purple, it's more accurate to say grass is green.In otherwords the accuracy of a statement is determined by the goal and I don't sympathize with the goals of terfs. They are also evil and retarded.Again why do you care what normies think. Their standards shouldn't be your standards?
>>45294876Terfs are their own niche, though. In my initial post, I said normies. I wouldn't call terfs normal people, they may be more crazy than trannies. Trannies are definitely weird creeps with maladaptive behaviors, but terfs might take it a bit too far. >they lack nuanceI can agree with that. >Again why do you care what normies think. It's not that I emotionally care but they happen to be right on a lot of things. Many trannies are losers, but like you said, most people are low IQ and evil. Both wokies and terfs are wrong about trannies because they are lunatics that engage in identity politics. My point is that trannies are more degenerate per capita and this may not be a novel idea to you, but I used to be more naive about trannies because I'm privileged.
>>45294913I view terfism as pretty normal. It checks all the boxes for how I think the average person views trans people if they have opinions on them at all, and what they look for in politics.>It's not that I emotionally care>I also worry that what normies think about trannies and gays is true.One of these is a lie. It seems like you are actually just pissed at trannies and supressing it by concerntrolling them desu. And that the only reason you point out that normies are right is to remind the trannies that veiw this thread that they are outcasts.Which is why I keep asking you why you care what normies think.
>>45295029>I view terfism as pretty normal.It's very fringe, in my opinion. >how I think the average person views trans peopleI would say terfs are a lot more extreme and hateful. I also worry that what normies think about trannies and gays is true =/= I worry about what they think. Very different things. You need to read more carefully.
>>45294448>The vast majority of trannies don’t touch self-criticism with a ten-foot polehow fucking little do you know about trannies lolthey kill themselves constantly
>>45295067>I used to think cissoids were just projecting their inner evil^But you literally give credibility to how normies come to their conclusions.> I don't see most of you as women because you have zero commitment towards actually honoring the social role.^You base the validity of transitioning off of social norms.>they lack nuance>I can agree with that.^And you admit that most of their conclusions lack nuance after saying that they are mostly right. I read what you say it just seems like you base your opinions on trans people partially off of ancedotes and the opinions of normies -- for comfort, rather than merely challenging your views with objective obersations.Which is extremely unintuitive if you don't like evil or retarded people.So my goal is immediately to see if there is a difference between us. Why hasnt this person reached my conclusion. What is your answer.
>>45294033higher IQ and not a "psyop" but otherwise I kind of agree, only in terms of per-capita tendency though not as a ruleI think it makes sense that if something caused you to have one thing wrong with your brain you're more likely to have other things wrong with it as well
>>45294033eccentrics generally have increased capacity for doing eccentric things, be they good or bad
>>45295130>how normies come to their conclusionsNot necessarily. You can draw correct conclusions with vibes or terrible logic. >You base the validity of transitioning off of social norms.You could say that to some extent, I'm a transmedicalist for one. >^And you admit that most of their conclusions lack nuance after saying that they are mostly right.No you're confusing many different things in the conversation. You're VERY confused. For one, you're conflating what I said about terfs and also things I said about normies. I also differentiated them explicitly. A lot of this conversation is misunderstanding due to reading comprehension.
>>45295147Yes, I agree. Good post. >>45295152Good point that I didn't consider.
>>45295156Can't you see how saying that: cis people, who have 0 interest in if they're right, aren't just being evil, makes it seem like their hatred is somehow justified? Their process is garbage. Why not just scrap them in your observation and address the outcome if you dislike evil and retarded people. I think you want trannies to feel normal hatred is justified.Do you think normies lack nuance? If your answer is no Idk what to tell you. That'd just be retarded. It's a distinction without a difference. It might be relevant if we think terfism is normal if the argument was over the average person's opinion on a niche topic only a radfem would know about.
>>45295202>normal hatrednormie hatredIt's so weird to me to give normies any credit for lucking their way into an accurate conclusion sometimes if what you really care about is the truth. The same reason you don't get credit for reaching a correct answer on a math quizz by doing the equation wrong. It encourages more wrong answers. More hate.
>>45295202>>45295213>Do you think normies lack nuance?Yes, they do. Most people are retards. I think you're just doing a lot of emotional processing in this conversation because you feel like a persecuted class, which you are. >Can't you see how saying that: cis people, who have 0 interest in if they're right, aren't just being evil, makes it seem like their hatred is somehow justified?That's correct but this is too emotional for me. >Why not just scrap them in your observation and address the outcomeThat was my intent but the normies are a tangential point in the grand scheme of things. I could have removed them from my point, yes. But I didn't expect you to interpret it as the core point. It's just how I chose to phrase it. >It's so weird to me to give normies any credit for lucking their way into an accurate conclusion sometimes if what you really care about is the truth. The same reason you don't get credit for reaching a correct answer on a math quizz by doing the equation wrong.I'm really not crediting them for anything. I think you hyperfocused on that.
>>45295152case in point: electronic music
>>45295228I'm not trans. You just don't make sense to me. I see the way we phrase things like anything else: not random.Answer me this what's the point of your post.
>>45295237>You just don't make sense to me. I think there's an issue with reading comprehension, not trying to be rude, but you are doing emotional processing and I just mean what I said at face value. >I see the way we phrase things like anything else: not random.You read into it too much. >I'm not transVery interesting. So what are you? >Answer me this what's the point of your post.It's mostly airing my grievances because I am privileged and thought trannies were cool at one point. That's what I told you earlier. It's not as serious as you think it is.
>>45294033im gentle and kind and pure and sweet and probably the most singularly devoted-to-love person that ever livedyour just being a big meanieno i dont have a career im crippled and can barely walk; my beautiful wife takes good care of mewe dont have any friends and dont go anywhere most of the time due to it being quite painful and difficult for me to even get ready to leave
>>45295251Not every tranny is evil, I am a tranny, but what I'm saying is largely true. We aren't a good people.
>>45295258i will agree that many of our kind are unfortunately a bit misguided in one way or anotherbut as you said its not really their faultthe best we can do is try to set a good example for our kind and be visible enough that others may choose to try to be betterits worth considering theres far more fked up evil syshetnorm ppl than there are trans ppl of any kindwe cant make ppl act or look a certain way all we can do is try to put pur better foot and face and kindness forward as much as we can managethe simple fact is most of humanity isnt that great; people are very flawwed in many waysbeing trans doesnt really increase that i dont think; perhaps if we were not so maginalized and vilified we could integrate a little betteri think like maybe it would be good if etiquette therapy were available as a part of gac for example; something to help the socialization issues everyone is always fussing aboutor maybe that would make it worse by giving false confidence to some; idkall we can do is live our lives as best we can and everyone deserves that chance sys and trans
>>45295249>reading comprehension>You read into it too muchI addressed all examples and you stopped giving examples so I have no reason to believe you.>that's what I told youThere can be multiple reasons. To be frank when you gave your reason here -> >>45294789 it barely registered as a reason because you can have such observations alone. >I just mean what I said at face valueSometimes what you mean doesn't mean anything to others until you clarify what you mean. Emotional processing =/= misinterpretation of your meaning, which I fundamentally don't have access to or even necessarily want to address. There's just a lot of reasons why that statement is irrelevant.I qualify statements about what you mean with the word "seems" -> >>45294720 for example. >Not as serious as you think it isHow serious do I think it is. Be specific. Because I just said not random, which is has nothing to do with how serious you are. It's just true.>what are you?Male.
>>45295334Fair, sometimes I just need to vent.
>>45294033Your puppy girl fetishest transbian partner break up with you and now you are cranky?
>>45295345>I addressed all examples and you stopped giving examples so I have no reason to believe you.I gave many examples where you simply misunderstood due to reading comprehension problems between us. >misinterpretation of your meaningI've been specific with examples of you just straight up misinterpreting me constantly throughout this conversation. >seemsIt can seem like I said something to you, but it shouldn't be how it's interpreted in conventional English. >How serious do I think it isI'm basically just venting and you treat my tirade as an existential threat to trans life lol. It's not that serious and my 4chan post is totally inconsequential to anything. You'll probably forget about this tomorrow. >>45295364I'm straight
>>45295258This is just people’s default it’s not unique to trans people. Most people have skeletons, most people are emotionally and mentally fucked and most people are broke af.
>>45295373No hon you are hsts it’s not straight
>>45295374It's not unique to trans people but I think trannies are worse about it, because of factors they can't control. I do think they are even more self-centered. Many chasers I talked to agreed with me on this.
>>45295380>many chasers I’ve talked toLmao Chasers are bat shit
>>45295379I don't care about Blanchard or treat his work as absolute, I like men. >>45295387well these guys I knew were pretty chadly and had good career jobs and went to the gym. Lots of professionals, engineers, etc. I dated like 3 guys who were engineers and they were decently well adjusted although they had some issues. But who doesn't have problems? And I have had my fair share of crazy chasers especially when I was very young, and didn't spot red flags well.
>>45295347thats alright
>>45295373I think my reading comprehension is better than yours.>It can seem like I said something to you, but it shouldn't be how it's interpreted in conventional EnglishOk one question for you:Dave: "I don't want to go to work, Sue. Might stay home."Sue: "Well Dave, you do have agency of your own."Does it seem like Sue is saying Dave will pick what he has to pick or that he can pick either option?Lol.--> >>45294756>I'm standing by my point, 'free will and agency' are different concepts even if normies conflate them.
>>45295403>I think my reading comprehension is better than yours.That's just an ad hominem. I didn't demonstrate poor reading comprehension anywhere in this conversation and you weren't able to be specific. I was able to demonstrate multiple examples where you just totally misinterpreted me.>I'm standing by my point, 'free will and agency' are different concepts even if normies conflate them.That is a true statement. You are an emotional thinker (at least in this conversation) and I'm a logical thinker. At this point, you're just acting irate towards me. Please see the screenshot. This argument is getting heated, I'd rather we just drop it because you're starting to sperg out. Have a nice night/day, dude. Calm down.
More trannies should hate trannies because many trannies, perhaps even the majority, are not beating the allegations of at best being obnoxious and constantly seeking validation by pushing their demands onto society and at worst being predators.
>>45295483Yeah it disturbs me what some trannies on here say. Can these mfers please stop being creepy sex pests.
>>45294033i recently made a similar thread to this one, in fact it may still be uplets take a look>evildefine it>self-centered, hedonistic, selfish, with maladaptive behaviorsyes, yes, yes, and yes. these are all things i see often. i want to judge on an individual basis though. just because there are people like this, doesnt mean they dont deserve their rights. and i guess thats what really matters, is their rights, and for them to be judged on an individual basis, rather than as a monolith.>They make the world a worse place and I don't care if they sufferthings that will cause them to suffer may also impact you>I used to be nice to trannies, but I really want to avoid the entire LGBT communityi did this for a long time, just got back here. i think i was too harsh. i can be kind to other trannies if they are kind in turn, people worthy of respect.>I also worry that what normies think about trannies and gays is truei worry this too. but again, judge as an individual. lots of bad things can be said about entire groups of people. doesnt apply to every person.>I don't see most of you as women because you have zero commitment towards actually honoring the social roleim still struggling to find out what i really see in myself. the sex dysphoria gets to me a lot and i dont know what i really want to be, with my body as it is now, or how it could ever be. i dont think too hard about how others are fitting into roles. others told me i fit into the female social role and i still thought of myself as the nastiest man. i hardly know what any of it means, so maybe im not qualified on this one.>You choose to be a piece of shit.yepi want better for trannies and by extension i myself want to be better by not being so judgmental of people i dont know and will never meettoo much hate in this world for me to spend my days thinking about my own hate all the time, there are more important things for me, and they need unity and better understanding
>>45295457>Uses unconventional English>Your reading comprehension is bad because you don't understand Conventional English>Not that bit of Conventional English though, that'd make me wrong>Just take me at face value>It's not an adhom when I say you can't read just when you do it to me, obviouslyAlright bro goodnight.
>>45295503Read the screenshot, anon. You are intellectually unserious and argue in bad faith. Take care.
>>45295501>define itTotally subjective but trannies are more correlated with antisocial and unethical behaviors. >i want to judge on an individual basis though. Agree>things that will cause them to suffer may also impact youI'm mostly unaffected but you changed my mind a little, I should be more compassionate anyway even if they're bastards. >judge as an individualDefinitely but you can make observations on behaviors being more common per capita. You are a nice person, so it inspired me to be a little nicer again today, like my old self.
>>45295514even if the majority of us may be people we dont like, we should want the best for all of us, for the sake of those who need it and deserve it. even on this board, i see people who did no wrong get shit on for no reason other than them being trannies. they didnt do anything to anyone, and yet people still were assholes. it opened my eyes a bit, that that was the kind of person i had started to become. even if i wasnt the type to go out of my way to say something mean most of the time, i still thought it. when trannies or gays were brought up, i would think "majority disgusting freaks who probably each deserve whats happening to them", instead of "one of me, someone who could be struggling just as i do, someone who could be doing better if shown kindness". i realized i was wrong to think so negatively. so here i am now, closer to the way i was before, just like you said about yourself. its better to be that way.
>>45295567thanks for sharing anon
