no

>>45296234

no

If you want to be claimed and raped in the apocalypse I guess

>>45296251
Well no because the pro trans rights side will win

>>45296234
corny

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>>45296251
giwtwm

No

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>>45296234
We tried it with the die cis scum thing and the hons with bats but it didn’t work, it kind of worked for gay rights at an even worse time in the 60s because they had a massive unruly coalition and a reasonable coalition (the mattachine society” to counterbalance the unruly coalition, but our troops simply lack numbers to achieve that sort of effect and we’re on thin ice right now.

>>45296287
Honestly I just want to get rid of the spineless centrist Democrats whose position is largely indistinguishable from the Republicans except they don't enforce it at the federal level and just wanna let states decide if they feel like making life hell for us

>>45296308
I feel your pain, but sadly we currently need to use them to slow the bleeding even if they’re spineless, acceleration only works when you’re poised to seize what you desire in the chaos of the collapse, however we are currently on the chopping block, and our execution is likely the middle step between collapse and the clean up phase. It’s more likely our most radical enemies would seize power and fully realize their ideals instead since they’re more organized atm.

>>45296257
Im curious what exactly you think accelerationism means and why you think that wont negatively effect a powerless group like you

Do you mean like technological accelerationism where all morals are eroded because of post scarcity?

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No, but for different reasons than you think. Accelerationism has no imperative praxis, it is a materialist framework for understanding political and social developments based on a few principles:

1 >Spiral Time,
or the idea that time is neither cyclical nor progressive, but rather moves through phases which resemble each other once every few cycles (sort of like seasons) yet nevertheless forward in a dialectical fashion.
2 >Cybernetics,
the multidisciplinary study of governance feedback loops
3 >Libidinal Economy,
or the idea that society possesses a realm of desire that guides the economy - bataille calls this the "base material" and deleuze calls this "desiring-production"
4 >Hyperstition,
the idea that systems are basically their own maps, realizing themselves from the future (in cybernetics this is known as autopoiesis, they are also likened to egregores in occultism)
5 >Thelema,
or "do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law".
This last one is especially relevant to unconditional accelerationism (u/acc, which gave birth to nyxian g/acc) which views our desires as fundamentally "locked up" in cybernetic feedback loops, and that if those loops were disrupted then something interesting might happen.

Theoretical accelerationists (basically Nick Land, the CCRU, Urbanomic/Collapse, Cave/Rhett Twitter (rip), and their aftermaths) primarily do this by developing "theory-fiction", which are prosaic/political attempts to break down their own theoretical constraints. Oftentimes these take the format of internet memes and conceptual art meant to break the Overton window. "Gender acceleration: a blackpaper" being one successful example.
>>45296287
Not accelerationism
>>45296537
Not accelerationism

A lot of you are thinking of immiseration, the marxist idea that standard of living and real wages are depreciated under capitalism, and that capital gains political autonomy all the while. This, in Marxist theory, pushes the working class towards the concrete, alienated, and material, which destroys forms of false consciousness such as religion and liberalism, as those systems inevitably betray the worker. What emerges instead are more advanced forms of consciousness, known as class consciousness, which all classes begin to possess. Among capitalists, this means a greater degree of elitism, secretive, and ruthlessness, with some betraying their class to become commies. among the proletariat this means the development of communism and ultimately, a greater degree of ruthlessness too - towards the capitalists. There are also of course a few proles who betray their class and "make it out" to become capitalists.

>>45296234
what rights do you need?
over the counter hrt?

>>45297536
I would love to discuss this with another human with the focus it deserves

>>45297644
That sounds fine and dandy. It's a shame class consciousness doesnt exist.

>>45297984
What are you looking to accomplish wiry this question, anon? Is the goal to stump a mindset unequipped to answer it or to invite them into showcasing a supposedly ridiculous counterpoint, like asking a tranny "what is a woman" with a big smirk on your face?

You're boring, anon, and that's the worst sin.

>>45298544
does it have to be "another" human?

>>45298634
As opposed to talking to myself about it, or having a "conversation" with AI? Yeah, kinda.

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>accelerationism
depends on what you mean by this term
>ccru accelerationism
the fundamental problem with accelerationism is that it does not understand how capitalism works or even how deleuze understood how capitalism worked (i.e. as a system of ebbs and flows). capital does not simply decode and deterritorialize, it also codes and overcodes.
https://hidwehproject.nekoweb.org/pages/blog/posts/2026-03-27-Between-Materialism-And-Aeonics.html
>Let us take a step back and think of the sum of productive forces. Since production naturally feeds into more production and connectivity enhances this process, it would follow that what we have here is a resonating totality. What does private property look like in such a picture? To own a car necessarily requires that it is enforced that no one else is actually capable of making use of it. Hence, privatization is always necessarily a break in the resonating totality. Rather than a pure affirmative deterritorializing tendency, we see that capital is actually fundamentally a form of anti-production. The reason why we do not have green energy is not simply because it does not make enough money, for indeed there are cooperatives that run fine businesses building clean energy solutions for local communities. The real problem is that it necessarily cuts away from the differential accumulation of oil barons. When your focus is on maintaining total domination over a sphere of production, technological innovation must be treated with suspicion as it is an ever-present possibility of usurpation. The climate crisis is not because we over-produce, but because stagnation has necessarily become the norm.
>terrorism
i feel like building dual power is a better strategy than adventurism for getting stuff done and securing our collective access to resources, for instance manufacturing our own hrt

also see >>45298556

>>45296234
>accelerationism
Accelerate to what? Societal collapse? Civil war? Martial law?
Yea il’ll protect trans alright. When I have the cutest ones I can find locked up in my basement, addicted to drugs and feeding it to them after they satisfy my cock. They’ll be perfectly safe from seeing the sun on their pale white skin ever again.

>>45298568
The goal is to know what are your grievances.
Me being boring, is apparently it.
Clown.

>>45298914
what do you want to discuss? I'm all ears.

>>45299030
All six points of your previous. I'm not knowledgeable of about 50% of the theoretical frameworks you reference to try to focus on accelerationism and felt woefully inadequate to engage. You seem like someone that could expound on those things and suggest reading.

>>45299025
I'm saying I don't believe you're asking a real question because you probably don't believe there are any legitimate grievances. I'm led to assume this because no one ever asks this question earnestly, it's a non-question like "what is a woman" that's used to be argumentative. I can't imagine anyone actually engaged in the current issues of trans civil rights legitimately don't know what rights have been revoked or threatened at this point.

>>45297536
this stuff sounds interesting do u have any links...

>>45299159
Agreed

>>45299090
>>45299159
I'm not the one who made that post, but I'm familiar with some of the material being referenced
>Deleuze & Guattari - Anti-Oedipus, A Thousand Plateaus
>Lyotard - Libidinal Economy
>Bataille - The Accursed Share
>Marcuse - Eros & Civilization
>Land - Fanged Noumena (collection)
>Crowley - The Book of Law
>ccru net/index.htm
>vastabrupt com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/

I'm mentally ill and not educated so I can't engage in intellectual discussion but I can schizopost about how after reading these texts I believe humanity went extinct long ago and our bodies are essentially animated dolls for an extradimensional parasite God and personality/selfhood is an artful yet vestigial biological illusion that our civilization is on the verge of transcending via technology

>>45299228
That's a shame bc I'm mainly looking for smart people to have conversations but this is still really generous and helpful. Thank you.

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>>45299250
I mean lots of people into accelerationism are going to be like me, mental illness (in particular schizophrenia, which I don't have btw) is kind of intrinsic to the philosophy, tbhon I think a lot of the ppl who approach it from too much of a detached academic standpoint are really missing the vital content and make the mistake of saying it has "no praxis" when exposure to these ideas can radically change one's self-conception and social behavior, and trannies are particularly susceptible to this for various reasons that you'll understand after reading into g/acc....anyway you could just start conversating here, maybe that anon will come back.

>>45297536
How to I write theory-fiction?

Also isn't spiral time basically 4chen?

>>45296234
Kurtz and Cruelty Squad and Nick Land talking about hamburgers all combined with the dread of estrogen sterility and video game dopamine loops and Burroughs 'everything around you is alive'.

>>45296234
it's a viable way to lick fascist boots

>>45296234
Yes, if everyone dies in a nuclear holocaust, then trans rights will be fully realized through everyone being, at last, finally equal. <3

>>45299961
it's literally just a how to become a thirdie speedrun desu wa

>>45301133
well yes, but I'm not sure why you repeated my own post to me

>>45301535
I guess that makes sense, I'm not sure why I repeated your post back at you though either

>>45296234
it's generally flawed but the smaller application of it has pushed the needle in the right direction
no

>>45297536
>spiral time
good for tranners
>cybernetics
nothingburger and larpy for the topic
>libidinal economy
materialist frameworks aren't ideal for social growth, and the models mentioned are just conjecture. but also technically good for tranners.
>hyperstition
sure. autopoiesis is the better word for this, I would not frame it as "realizing themselves from the future" or the other schizobabble. basically systems eventually work how they should. nothingburger, good for tranners. like it's a true concept but very simple.
>thelema
this is weak and only works as personal philosophy, can't be applied well to theory, and developed by a hack. thelema should not be applied in any way to an ideological framework, even though people do because it's le esoteric and larpy.

some of these aren't applicable in the way you think to real theory
but for esoteric larp aesthetics they're great!

>Accelerationism has no imperative praxis, it is a materialist framework for understanding political and social developments
this is why it's always "a little bit helpful" for some minor goal or single issue, and a good coping mechanism for flawed existing systems. but ultimately useless overall.
this is about it's application to trans issues. but yeah fun ideas.

>>45296537
lot of people do think it means "shoot guys" and "hope it works out"
this fails for everyone and has been tried by losers like manson, but again theory is fun.

>>45299090
>>45299159
Am the writer of that post, hello. Schizonon(a) ( >>45299228 ) has good recommendations. I would highly recommend the most radical gesture, by Sadie Plant, "briefing for neolemurian agents" which is also on vastabrupt, and a decent intro to cybernetics - sayre's "cybernetics and the philosophy of mind" was my intro but there are plenty of online glossaries and other ways in. I would also recommend How We Became Posthuman by L Katherine Hayles, though it is tangential. And this article about the u/acc Thelema connection - https://cyclonotrope.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/unconditional-accelerationism-as-antipraxis/ . Xenogothic also writes decently on the subject. Current accelerationism research "grail" is to find examples / explicit writing of cute/acc from before 2018 - they certainly exist, but after the blackpaper was published, everybody writing about cute/acc was merely describing g/acc but trying to avoid association with the politically incorrect tranny who wrote it. Another interesting idea that should have imo been developed further is the concept of the "aphotic insurrection" that nyx put forward but wasn't just being worked on by her.
>>45299765
Anything between theory and fiction is theory-fiction. If you want to write *good* theory-fiction, I suggest reading from a wider variety of stuff from the accelerationist milieu. There's lots of short stories that sort of spin off from a philosophical or political argument, read the good ones of those.
You could also try reading something like Spinal Catastrophism to get an idea of the kind of metatext that the CCRU was going for.
>Isn't spiral time basically 4chen?
Elaborate, sounds interesting.
>>45302803
I have no idea if you're making value judgments, moral statements, or prescriptions about reality and it feels like a headache to figure out which is which.
>systems eventually work as they should
TPOASIWID belongs on the high shelf.

>>45296234
The more you demand EVERYONE to think about you and talk about you and be aware of you, the worse things get for you. Have you not noticed that? You are a tiny minority and most people straight-up do not understand the way that you think, the things that you need, and what is going on with you. The best thing for you is if those people are not thinking about you much at all, because then they don't feel compelled to weigh in with misinformed hot-takes.

Your rights should be at the bottom of the ballot, they should be an inconsequential minority issue that the average person never thinks about. You would unironically have a much, much easier path to get whatever treatment you need. Awareness is the problem. Hang back and chill the fuck out

>>45303455
It's how the flow of conversations and time (=post numbers) works here. Conversations always start anew from a kernel, the information posted as the OP. Even generals are notoriously hard to keep alive.
Human connections are not lasting, even namefags aren't perfectly safe, they could be assumed by someone else. Conversations progress over the memory of conversations.
But somehow, even though already filtered through a highly compressed medium of text, it doesn't capture humans the same way other stages with managed identity do. Spending your consciousness here is necessarily conscious choice, everybody's feelings synchronize, but they remain authentic, es authentically theirs, and not for the sake of the system. At most, trolling serves an a form of measurement of words, but it's not linked to a clear indicator, but more to a feeling of understanding the quality of it's success.

>>45304830
interesting. I think you're giving an example of a dialectic, and spiral time is an articulation of how time proceeds dialectically as well. If the example is that discourse proceeds anonymously following summaries of itself, while specific takes / subjects might reoccor, but the general topic seems to change in some way I think thats close. Plant talks about how time is basically accumulated and piled up as capital, it can then be spent (money gives you access to other people's time) and this relation shaped the way in which broader cultural trends develop. For instance we can imagine how culturally stagnant the nft scene is, which is hyper-financialized. That is because culture does not move freely, it instead becomes investment units of cultural capital which are held to appreciate in value. It creates a hype cycle that basically encourages forced memes and astroturfing, as well as insisting upon cultural details that have already gotten old. On an even bigger scale, we appear "stuck" in certain cultural moments due to the suffocating power of finance, the necessity of accumulation and state maintenance to the capitalist system of time. This follows the history of economic crises, with culture developing in response to something like the financial collapse. The CCRU believed that this "cyclical" tendency should be gently pushed back against by providing examples of advancement made in spite of the book/bust cycle, and furthermore deconstruct the progressive arrow of time. The old cliche of "history doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme"' is sort of what this refers to.

Cybernetics provides tools to model this by defining time in relation to entropy, whereby the intrinsic complication of possibilities over time can be managed as part of a system of flows, and furthermore where organisms maintain themselves by externalizing this away from themselves. An organism, in cybernetics, is "less affected by time" while its surroundings are moreso.

More schizophrenic but you can imagine how identity itself is a cybernetic organism - a process that advances towards autonomy by resisting negativity and criticism, consolidating positives towards its own long-term maintenance, and responding to more serious threats that can't be distanced from by changing structurally while protecting the core feedback cycle. This is true of all social schema but in different ways, where 4chan doesn't have as much personal identity this is also non-coercive and we voluntarily maintain subjects in the format of generals that respond to derailments in particular ways. In less anonymous forums, you can see how people's core feelings and ego become a kind of self-protective feedback loop where subjects, ideas, values are accumulated over time (and can become constraints on the self's transformation). Importantly, this should not be seen as bad or good, it is merely a way to understand how it happens.

>>45296234
>accelerationalism
this is some irrelevant ideology by dumb ass academics ideologies aren't real life

>>45305576
>>45305472
>>45304830
>>45303455
>>45302803
the only thing philosophy garbage is useful for is art. imagine wastibf years kd your life being into this holy fuck you could've become a scientist instead of this academic larp

>>45298984
>trying to understand capitalism with philosophy
omg philosophy by definition only obfuscates reality

niggas will read any bullshit instead of marx, and marx isnt hard at all! the esoteric or intellectual larp is fine if youre like 15 we all went through that phase at that age but youre grown ass people now

also its bleak that some xitter zoomers are trying to revive these memes u/acc was already retarded and tired in 2010

>>45305629
>>45305659
>instead of
I also think people should read him. But why?
My posts drone on because I'm used to reading and writing long things, yes your Marx is included in that. But arbitrarily saying "read this guy" with zero elaboration is just as bad, you could at least have a succinct explanation of why he's more relevant or necessary.

>>45299228
very interesting guys, but I'm not eating a cum cake at mass

>>45303455
>everybody writing about cute/acc was merely describing g/acc but trying to avoid association with the politically incorrect tranny who wrote it
I'm curious, can you elaborate on this? is it the eugenics in her writing (the part about filtering/shredding) or something else?
>>45305629
society is artifice, including science

>>45298551
class consciousness is growing at an incredible rate among both the rich and the poor, anon
>>45305935
Why are you so angry about this stuff?

when AI takes over there will be a massive genocide and transfolx just aren't large and potent enough as a group to seize control over the AI, unless some IQ 160 genius tranny singlehandedly manages to take control over it and impose luxury space gay & trans+ communism and total chud "re-education"

>>45305978
>seize control over the AI
neither possible nor desirable.
it's just that our interests align

>>45305962
I'm not angry, I'm just saying. I'm not gonna eat a cum cake.

And also crowley was a pedo druggie burnout loser before you say anything I HAVE read perdurabo so get owned LIBERal kek

Alternatively to all of the crap ITT:
>get a job
>lose some weight
>get your hormones sorted out instead of blindly following standard protocol
That’s it. Most of you don’t have the guts or the spine for politics and should just focus on your own lives.

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>>45305659
first of all, my own immediate criticism of accelerationism is that it conflates finance capital with technological innovation. this might make some sense from a marxist political economy (wherein marx just saw finance as 'fictitious capital' and so did not represent anything different from industry), but id prefer to draw my political economy from veblen, nitzan and bichler. these are who my quote was referencing, and these guys are economists rather than philosophers with the latter two directly engaging with and beyond marx

second of all, simply saying "read marx" as though he is the holy gospel on all issues does not make sense. there are topics which are very much relevant to this thread which marx does not go into much detail either. one such topic is how capital produces new subjectivities and identities and the more general ways in which capitalism shapes the superstructure (of course there are writings by engels and some of marx's earlier writings which prefigure such investigations). this is something that gets really fleshed out by the freudo-marxists which is the general synthesis which deleuze and later accelerationism work with. personally i do not work within a fully deleuzean framework for this issue but still it had to be pointed out that land's interpretation of deleuze on capitalism is also just wrong

>>45305629
>implying i dont also study stem

>>45306142
>land's interpretation of deleuze on capitalism is also just wrong
how so?

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>>45306156
here: >>45298984
>capital does not simply decode and deterritorialize, it also codes and overcodes.
capital from deleuze's understanding is not simply about channeling some machinic desire but also about a transcendental axiomatic
https://philarchive.org/archive/SOMBAA-2
>It is wealth insofar as universal subjectivity, that is, it is wealth which is no longer qualified or determined as such objectively, land wealth, monetary wealth, this wealth, that wealth, but which is wealth itself related to the wealth-creating activity, namely: capital. Capital is the subject of wealth-creating activity.”13 This relates to “the universality of the object insofar as being wealth, namely: labor which, for its part, was no longer determined as this or that, but as unspecified labor.”14 Between the two, rather than the categories, we have a series of abstract rights that allow us to convert indeterminate wealth into determinate goods. While overcoding develops an abstract unity over an intensive set of relations, capitalism is instead a process that immanently determines the field it governs by transposing it into an extensive multiplicity
>Just as Kant’s transcendental deduction guarantees that the structures of judgement apply to all phenomena, the axiomatic of capitalism presents all phenomena in terms of abstract rights connected to capital. Deleuze and Guattari call this process of fixing phenomena within a system of coordinates so that these abstract categories can apply to them “binding.” As we shall see, binding represents a transcendental condition within which a system of axiomatics can operate, but also a transcendental illusion that reduces all determination to an extensive model.
land's negative praxis wants to remove regulation, when for deleuze capitalism itself is instantiated by objective regulative ideals. accelerationism essentially does metaphysics without taking into account the relevant transcendental conditions of possibility

>>45305951
the references to and twisting of landian eugenics was a point against her on the left and brought on some of the ideological interventions into her project. So did interpersonal beef from her immediate circle (she "cheated on" a theyfab who was seeing other people) and general tendency to poorly handle conflict by doubling down which led to her initial cancellation, and being problematic in order to spread her message. After that the general sentiment of "nyx land bad" spread to new people, many of whom were cis or tenderqueers, who were interested in accelerationism and uncritical of the identity politics around why trans women get canceled so much. This mutated in interesting ways because the sentiment of the cancel was transferred across ideological lines.

you can tell that neo-cute/acc is basically just g/acc because it always boils down to how our alienation as a process results in neotenous, emasculated avatars fulfilling some libidinal necessity. I see two angles here: the right / e/acc on the surface followed Land's not-necessarily-conscious intelligences winning the attention economy with their cuteness. Then on the left you have the book "cute acceleration" which is a collection of Ireland and Kronic essays discussing how NEET culture, kawaii, hyperpop and the like are examples of the accelerationist view of culture as processes. These takes attempt to oppose one another but ultimately just owe debt to g/acc. They re-articulate n1x's thesis of "nothing male makes it out of the near future alive", or as wyleska puts it in her reading/jungle mix only cuties do. even using some of the same examples, and following the same stylistic cues of the blackpaper.. basically read the blackpaper, read the "cute/acc manifesto" on scatter art, and read Ireland and Kronik's book to see what I'm getting at.