well /tttt/ is xe right?
>>45298925She is and this used to be the general board mindset, before permanent boymoding and manmoding became the norm
>>45298925Sí, fuck the cisfoids telling you that surgeries are unnecessary or scary.
>>45298925>"Even the disabled or afflicted can be eugenic if they crawl towards the sun with a knife between their teeth."based and true bowdenposting
>>45298925Botched brows, surgical ffs look. Brows are wayyy too high
>>45298925>youngshit making a living off onlyfans pretending to have struggledit's all so tiresome
>>45298925>>45298944This is the book being referenced
>>45298936I agree but saying it while posting a picture of yourself is cringe
(person who is the type to spend a hundred thousand dollars on plastic surgery voice) plastic surgery is so important
>>45298925kinda feels like it doesnt matter when imm 6'3>>45298961the tails are too high yeah but but thats from brow lifts in general not ffs
>>45298992I would do the same if I was a hot gigapassoid.
>>45298925all that money for a few years of being a whore until The Wall comes, why?
>>45298993If you're not going to drop at least 100k on surgery, you probably shouldn't transition
>>45299031Just get insurance retard
>>45299031you're gonna die someday
>>45298961this lol
>>45299031Just have 100k dollars lying around!
>>45298990wow I read that book but don't remember that part.
>>45298961Being a little botched is a sign of wealth and is attractive to anyone that isn’t a poorcuck. Low IQ plebs can’t see it, but bogging yourself is the ultimate form of enlightenment, innovation, and beauty.
>>45299036I'm European, I'm obligated to have insurance and they don't pay for anything transition related in practice. Which is why I appreciate the metaphor of crawling towards the sun with a knife between my teeth>>45299045And until then, I will do what I can to be the best version of myself. Also, someday might be a few centuries away, if I'm lucky
>>45298925can u become attractive when ur in mid 30s?
>>45299067You can make money that you don't currently have. It's a thing people do all the time. Steal, deal drugs, sell your ass. Be as amoral as you need to and can stomach. This society makes visually marks us by not letting us transition young and then treats us like shit for it. Anything we do to escape that marking is good and righteous
>>45299086You’re supposed to kill yourself the day before your 30th birthday, ideally by some form of subtle poisoning so your beauty doesn’t fade in death. If you don’t do that, are you really even trans?
>>45299086There was a trip a few years ago who transitioned early thirties and got ffs a few years in and turned out extremely beautiful. If your body isn't actively decaying, you can become more beautiful than you currently are
>>45299099grow up :) love u anon <3>>45299109ahh i mean i guess its no competition u dont have to be number 1 plus theres other ways to make urself attractive.im retarded i need guides and stuff tho and step by step process lol
>>45298936im honmoding because im poor
>>45299096You have a delusional view of how much money one is able to make because you are (probably) an American. In my country, it would take a decade of saving up to get that much money, and that is assuming I spend almost none of it. If cost of living is factored in, I would be in 50+ years before being able to afford surgery.
>>45299121The concept of growing up is antihuman liberal bullshit. We are meant for more than ugliness. To strive for greatness is more than to strive for mediocrity.
>>45299036Bad take
>>45299079you're gonna die real soon & when it happens you're gonna be convulsant with regret
>>45299086it's only genuinely too late after 50, unless you're also talking about transitioning then it's too late after 12
How do I begin to become beautiful
>>45299136I might die soon, but if I regret anything it'll be not working on being more beautiful hard enough>>45299129Same here if you restrict yourself to saving and legitimate wage labor. But I guess you didn't really read my post
>>45298925except ffs only works for some people. i ended up being a semipassoid after spending like 100k+ with a good surgeon. being a semipassoid is genuine hell because you're basically a permahonmoder
>>45299129Just rob a bank, retard.
>>45299158post face
>>45298925actually insane
>>45299158If you could choose, would you keep the face you have or go with Susan Dell's current face
>>45298925bimbos are never right
>>45299129not them but am american and I have 200k from saving for 3 years
>>45299175i tried uploading uploading a video to litterbox but it's down, nevertheless, i probably pass a lot better on camera than i do irl anyway, i think i have really bad combinations of light and angles that make people read me as a man because i get misgendered like 2-3 times every year. i'm 172cm but i don't think it's my body
>>45298925>just get moneywhy i haven't thought about this before
>>45299031disgusting
>>45299265>i get misgendered like 2-3 times every yearlmao
>>45299129debt?
>>45299031True, and the insurance statement is the actually retarded statement. 1) Not all insurance covers gender surgeries or have limits on which ones are covered. 2) Not everyone has or wants insurance, but insurance has helped cause the price of these surgeries to skyrocketNow let's talk about the perfect scenario: you have a good job or are affluent enough. Breast Augmentation + FFS + SRS = A lot of moneyThen the lifetime cost of insurance premiums paying for your meds (for life). Also, deductibles and labs that may or may not be covered by your insurance. Then think about possible meds that are not covered by insurance, like pellet injectables. 100k is on the cheap end of the spectrum for lifetime coverage because of being trans. So you better be damn sure this is the life you want, as it will not be cheap.
>>45298925I hope that post is ironic or an attempt at something lewd, because if not it is extremely sad. I thought she said she worked through her issues lmao.Humans and women are inherently beautiful. Everyone should get the care they need to feel alright, of course. But you are not less worthy of love, kindness and acknowledgement because of fleeting appearances evaluated by a worthless society.People live with disabilities and developmental conditions that affect their appearances, go look at them. It isn't out of spite that they continue to live, and it isn't out of political correctness that I say they aren't ugly.
>>45299407Just live in woke blue state that mandates coverage
>>45299430I really only live out of spite though. I'm ugly and have zero value because of it. I'm just full of resentment.
>>45299448Sell drugs, sell your ass, take out a loan and pay it off till the day you die. You won't have kids that will miss out on an inheritance anyway. It's the tranny way
>>45299448this, i have sympathy for thirdies/euros but american troons have no excuse
>>45299310yeah that's literally called not passing. people don't like my takes because they can't handle the truth nuclear bomb that ffs can't fix everyone. i'd say only 30% of ffs havers end up being actual passoids. also, passing only counts in androgynous clothes with no makeup
>>45299430This post is like two steps away from "you don't need to transition to be valid". Wtf happened to /tttt/?
>>45299465this is so boomerhon bro
>>45299480eternal september of the thotless grind
>>45299496boomerhons tend to have stable careers at a defense contractor and six figure incomes. They don't have to do any of that shit. If you're on this board, odds are you transitioned in the sweet spot where you were old enough you can't fully pass without surgeries anymore, but not old enough to be established in a high paying career. An guess what, visible trannies rarely get into those. Options are limited, pick your poison
>>45299461I know the feeling, and I'm sorry. The world is messed up, and not everyone feels the love they should.You are inherently valuable. Not because of what you are, or what you can do for others, but because of who you are. Leave this place and go explore the wonders around you, /lgbt/ will literally hollow you out.>>45299480>>Everyone should get the care they need to feel alright, of course.<<I'm telling you to treat yourself and others with kindness, because this,>There is nothing more important than beauty. Nothing.is a dirty lie and you know it.
>>45299480Mentally challenged reddit sneeds migrated here.
>>45299551It's not a lie. Beauty determines everything.
TRIPS AND I POST COCK
>>45298925Still can't goonnot to those long ass arms and square shoulders
>>45298990Based bowden
>>45299551>is a dirty lie and you know it.It isn't for us. First of all, many of us fall not even at the hurdle of great conventional beauty, but just looking like a normal woman. 100k won't even be enough to get some of us there. Second of all, it is true that we're not valued at all if we're not beautiful. Trannies don't derive social status from their job position like men, and unlike cis women, we can't gain respect from motherhood or other care work. We live in a society that reduces us to our utility as sexual objects, and even if you don't want to play into that, you'll find that you get treated much better if people find you attractive. It's simple self interest and maximizing your social capital
>>45299531it's the mindset
>>45298936>100k for ffs>still needs heavy AI filtering
>>45299608do you not see how this outlook is misogynistic and self-defeating? you're preaching and trying to sell others on a commoditized rat race with distant echoes of "trad" 50s garbage
>>45298925yes but she wont realise this strat wont work for everyone. theres only so much rich chaser cock to go around, only so many ways to escape crippling debt, but every natural born catamite deserves a way out of hell.
>>45299270>>45299407then once you can afford to access these procedures, you also have to be able to afford to take weeks or potentially longer in recovery without upending your life.
>>45299720Why do you hate AI so much? There’s nothing wrong with using technology.
>>45298936Wrong. This board had that mindset for a long time, which means that almost all of us eventually made it out alive or dead. What was left behind in our wake was the ones who couldn't, or never tried, and slowly they were the only ones left using it as the majority moved on with their lives to be successful career women or porn stars. Only a few of us hopeless shitposting addicts still come back here from time to time.
>>45299430>Humans and women are inherently beautiful.AGP really is just being compulsively wrong, isnt it?
>>45299608That depends on your class before transition. It’s not a trans vs cis thing. Toob, hunter and the swathes of boomer john 50s with careers and families, none of them are hurting because they are trans. It doesnt have anything to do with passing either as none of them do.
>>45299782taft is literally, unironically, openly AGP though
>>45299790i didnt realise it was taft because i simply do not use twitter.regardless, nothing in this world matters save for cock. get cock first. all else is secondary. find yourself a beautiful, handsome gay man and troon out on him once youve made it clear that your body is incapable of becoming a bear.
>>45299782what is beauty?
>>45299086HRT halts most aging until you're in your 50's, and before then it's all about how well you care for your health. Cardio, lifting, leans and greens, daily sunblock, etc, will get you far even after 30 if you're trans.
>>45299733I live in a misogynistic society that targets people like me in particular and holds us to the highest standards. Yeah those are misogynistic, but it's not my job to tear down the patriarchy on my own and make my life harder to do it. Cis women, who get way less shit for being ugly, get plastic surgery all the time, and they don't get nearly as much wokescolding over it. You can't demand the people most affected by patriarchy to also sacrifice themselves as footsoldiers against it>>45299771Yeah it's probably also a filter effect. Still, maybe some people are just too depressed and defeated and can be woken up. I hope
>>45299733Talking like a cisfoid ally.
>>45299822a miserable pile of sneecrits
>>45299129Do you not have college? Is your degree so worthless you can't move to a better country? If 10 million jeets and every other Russian nobody can move to the west and get a job, why can't you?
>>45299853I promise you no one except boomerhons is paying for their shit out of pocket in the US. Just move to California, be a bum, and get MediCal to pay for everything.
>>45299783Precisely the point I was making here:>>45299531Boomerhons are economically insulated from the consequences of not passing. We aren't. If you're not a youngshit or a luckshit and want a normal life, you have to hustle for it
>>45299831Htr drops your collagen levels to cis women levels. Cis women at their peak (mid 20s) have half as much collagen as a mid forties man. Estrogen thins skin and it gets wrinkly and saggy very fast if you don't avoid sunlight
>>45299758whats up with this type of bait here? are you that lonely?
>>45299853My husband has masters degrre and we make 15k a year...
>>45299908Yeah, because you live in some shithole. Take your degree and job hunt in a first world country.
>>45299853Jeets get it cuz they’re basically lower IQ Jews. They’re really nepotistic and have a high racial bias, which is being allowed due to whites viewing racism as their own original sin that no one else can commit. Any company that hires Indians into the slightest position of power will be flooded with them, because Indians will only hire other Indians.
>>45299902Except we never go down from peak levels and have a steady hormonal state rather than a cycle. It's anecdotal, but I've seen enough to he pretty convinced that there's something about mtf hrt that makes you age less visibly than cis women and men, and these factors could account for it. you should still obviously wear your spf 50 every day though
>>45299957>there's something about mtf hrt that makes you age less visibly than cis women and menYeah that's why they give cis women HRT after 30 now. Estrogen levels dropping is the biggest natural cause of collagen loss in women outside of aging itself. Treat yourself well and keep your hormones in check and you'll be young for a long long time, whatever gender.
>>45299957I don't think you understand, your COLLAGEN goes down. It goes down as you age regardless of hrt, but going from testosterone to estrogen halves your collagen levels. You get all the saggy skin etc all that. You can take a look at cais women, their inner testicles get cut off at 18 because of cancer risk and they are on hrt since 20s. They look just as old and wrinkly as cis women at older age
>>45299978Cais women are on hrt since late teens, early 20s. They sure look youthful!
>>45299978>Estrogen levels dropping is the biggest natural cause of collagen loss in women outside of aging itselfCis women have half as much collagen as middle aged cis men at age 25.. its estrogen in itself that promoted skin aging -> thin and dry skin
>>45299978They do? I haven't heard of that. Do you have info on this, I have a cis friend who would be interested in that>>45299997I do understand that, but your collagen drops more from low sex hormones in general than it does from going from testosterone to estrogen. That's why high concentration topical estrogens are increasingly used for skincare. In men and women btw, there is more to nice skin than just max collagen
>>45300019completely irrelevant without knowing their actual ages. also they're probably getting hondosed.
>>45300033>there is more to nice skin than just max collagenIts mainly high collagen and having thick oily skin (asian skin type is like this) that keeps the skin youthful
>>45300040Keep coping. These women have steady estrogen leves for all their lives and absolutely NO testosterone
>>45300044>>45299997https://gremjournal.com/journal/01-2024/menopause-and-the-effects-of-hormone-replacement-therapy-on-skin-aging-a-short-review/>The findings of estrogen receptors on these cells suggest that estrogen deficiency, characteristic of the menopausal state, may be partly responsible for skin aging.>The great majority of studies showed interesting associations between improved skin physical parameters and hormone replacement, in particular estrogen use.>Withdrawal of sex steroid hormones seems to be partly responsible for aging of the skin that occurs in postmenopausal women.High estrogen is good for your skin. If you have male collagen levels, your skin will look like a man's. You can keep good collagen levels and youthful skin with consistent estrogen hrt.
>>45300079>The findings of estrogen receptors on these cells suggest that estrogen deficiency, characteristic of the menopausal state, may be partly responsible for skin aging.Menopause happens at 50s, who cares at that point>The great majority of studies showed interesting associations between improved skin physical parameters and hormone replacement, in particular estrogen use.Why do these pure estrogen baddies with no testosterone look dogshit and saggy?>>45300019
>>45298925These shallow delights have shallow ends.
>>45300056These men have been on testosterone their whole lives. You can clearly see how their skins superior collagen content has protected them from aging, making 25+ year old post wall foids seethe over their relative decrease in smv
>>45300105You said yourself that peak estrogen happens at 25 and declines from there. That doesn't happen to us, so we get the benefits of peak estradiol levels our whole lives, unless hondosed
>>45300135Those are cais women, xy chromosomes, no working androgen receptors, hrt since early 20s, steady estrogen levels all their lives, YET they look absolutely repulsive.
>>45300122These guys are like 80. Nobody looks naturally nice at that age
>>45300079>High estrogen is good for your skinExpect it causes hyper pigmentation, melasma etc. I got it from topical estrogen cream
>>45300179High estrogen within natural cis ranges. Remember that the context was hormonal decline past 25
>>45300157They just look like regular women of various ages, but skewing pretty old. It's pretty weird to call them repulsive, they just look mostly unremarkable
Imagine doing all that and still being known as transgender
>>45298990what is this book about
>>45299096basedI'm glad there are still a few good posters here
>>45298925She was pretty before the plastic surgery though. Honestly she doesn't look that much different except the big fake titties.
>>45298925she never really did anything for me Tbh.i always just see a bimbofied incel face.
>>45298925>small tits
>>45298925Rich parents, guaranteed.
>>45298925basedwe shall fight for a better life, brothers and sisters o7feeling sorry for ourselves is not gonna change anything. mooping around is just slow suicide.we need to become great desu
>>45298925i rly wanna know how taf got her hands on 100k
>>45298925ny1 remember when taf said if she could go back in time she wouldnt have transitioned because its not worth it?
>>45298925>blew $100k on cosmetic surgery>also filters himself to fuck and back>still a flat fridge
>>45299430>Humans and womenlmaocrazy how none of the other replies even reacted to this
>>45301988this is sour grapes cope and you know it, she looks beautiful to anyone with eyes
>>45298925Objective beauty does exist and it does matter. Appearance reflects reality and you perceive the world as it is, to claim otherwise is cope. I think there's more value in both life and body cultivation itself than just pure aesthetics though.Depending on how much you stretch the word beauty to encompass, her statement can still hold true without contradicting what I said.
>>45302172okay, taftaj
>>45298925Yes, I hate ugly troons
>>45302617sadly no, I wish
>>45298925100k and still havent fixed those wide shoulders.
>>45302172>this is sour grapes cope and you know it, she looks beautiful to anyone with eyestroons should never ever ever ever ever ever ever post their pre-troon pix. If someone else leaks the it can't be helped but don't cut your own throat.
>>45302299>Objective beauty does exist and it does matter.and are thinly distributed vs subjective ones. have you noticed that gay people often find straight faces ugly, and vice versa? faces are read for desired genetic function, and desire depends on the organism.
>>45304306I'm most attracted to gay bottoms as a bisexual tranny bottom. Life is cruel
>>45304317honestly just accept that and get a bottom4bottom relationship, then shop for tops together on grindr when youre both needy.
>>45299758SAAAAAR
anything beyond food rent and hrt is a luxury to me. id love to have surgeries but its out of reach
>half the posts in this itt
>you have to take out tens of thousands of dollars of high interest debt. By the way, may I interest you in some chud propaganda/tttt/ spot a psy op challenge
>>45305373What else are you gonna do with your money, start a family and buy a house with a picket fence? lol
>>45305392First of all, of its debt it's not your money. But what do I know, I'm not even a sexy influencer online.
>>45298925As someone that chose to be a mom over having surgery moneyIt does hurt to watch everyone else actually get to transition into being women. Subsidize sperm banking for trans people and let them go on hormones as teens so they dont end up like me.
>>45306589If you puberty block them before puberty there wont be sperm to save. You were fortunate you could become a sperm mom instead of transitioning as a child
>>45306589>Subsidize sperm banking for trans people and let them go on hormones as teens so they dont end up like me.IVG
>>45306626>You were fortunate you could become a "sperm mom" instead of transitioning as a child>You should be grateful you masculinized into a manly male man and became a father despite your tranny delusionseither terminal retard or chud false flagnatalism is retarded and disgusting, and forcerepping trans people to become hons is a crime against humanity
>>45298925100k to look like plain jane, talm about some "nothing as important as beauty" cringe
>>45306705Ok so you regret spawning a kid, got it. Sucks for lil bro I guess, hope his egg mother at least doesnt regret him.
>>45306716she looks pretty good excluding her botched brow lift
