While it does come with various potential benefits i have started to have a bad feeling about the whole thing to be honest. If i want to have a female presentation i rather just present as a female in a videogame, that's easy, basically risk-free and it works (except for the fact that there are hardly any good games for it). If you instead try to transition you get hit with various problemsYou become a minority that has lost rights in various areas and often serve as a political target. You become at least temporarily infertile. You can try banking sperm but i have never heard of anyone actually using said banked sperm to have children. You can stop HRT to try to get your fertility back but that takes months at the very least (assuming it works to begin with). You hit various passing roadbllocks depending on your physical traits and there is no shortage of those. You might have to spend like 80000$ on surgeries to have a chance of passing. No good SRS options and very little hope to ever be able to get pregnant or give birth to your own child. In short the medical limitations and political situation makes it unappealing. EU (where i live) deos seem to be among the better areas for it but here you still have the issue of a bad healthcare system (so you end up having to go the diy route for HRT, not sure about surgeries).
>>45305425Would you say your position on transmaxxing has changed over the years
>>45305513I have become less positive about transitioning over time. https://www.reddit.com/r/transmaxxing/comments/1xwxhnv/does_medical_transition_even_make_sense_for/I think i got somewhat captured by my community since we got a lot of community members who transitioned even though they weren't incels prior and people advocating for transitioning in cases where i didn't myself believe in it.
HRT is worth it, Social transition is not.If you cannot pass, there is no point in presenting female.
>>45305605Honestly boymoding seems rather unappealing to me. You make yourself infertile but still has to continue with the shitty male social role.
you should kill yourself
>>45305554I guess that checks out, since it looks as though you’ve completely given up on moderating the subI think transition gets pushed since some trans women present functionally as chud male incels with how miserably they perform maleness. Proponents err on the side of transition in this light regardless of efficacy as there is potential gain to resolve unprocessed gender dysphoria. (I only have a passing understanding of your transmaxxing philosophy, so I don’t know if you believe trutrans exists.)I don’t think low efficacy is justifiable enough of a deterrent. There is a bit of cruelty recommending these paths to never-passers, almost like a cognitohazard. But the choice of transition should be made by the individual rather than a doctrine, and any consequences they experience would be on their hands.
>>45305425The alternative is a life saturated in testosterone, which is one of the most gruesome and disgusting poisons nature has ever concocted.Both options suck, take your pick.
>>45305425It's not easy being trans, it's hard to adhere to beauty standards, and there are risks. The truth about transitioning is that it is a privilege to pass and to have all the pieces fall in place, makeup, fashion, hobbies, and what makes it harder is that if all the pieces don't fall in place right you're not only a depressed manly man man but an uncanny manly man man in a wig (and a predator).I personally love HRT and wish I had the funds for surgeries, I love the skin texture, I love the fat redistribution, the muscle atrophy, and I feel like it's worth it, but I believe that it's specifically because passing is a privilege that we shouldn't make fun of people like OP picrel.The test is when the doctors hand you a 6 page document where you have to sign every line with one possible risk each, going through that whole document and thinking and being afraid made me seriously question if I did want to take estrogen but ultimately I was more afraid of being a man than taking on the risks.Although that picture seriously hurts to see...pink hair...cone tits with no bra...chud glasses...they're really, really not helping...just don't act like a walking troonjack stereotype, get some fashion inspo from places like pinterest or other websites, slowly build up a wardrobe, what I even do a lot is just analyze what cis women are wearing and as crazy as it sounds 99% of cis women just wear completely normal clothes and shoes and coats, only a small minority wear lolita dresses to class
>>45305959Honestly it's unclear to me what even "true trans" would be to begin with. Female brain?Very strong AGP? Some type of dysphoria? Does gender dysphoria other than autoandrophobia/AGP even exist to begin with ?
>>45305554that chart cuts off at 25. they botched the data on purpose to get people not to transition. if you kept it going to 50 it goes back up to 100% like a U shaped curve. also idk this might be a me thing but they seem weirdly hung up on reproduction. like being infertile is one of the positives for me and i know it is for a lot of others. that seems more like concern trolling from an uninformed cis doctor. they are the same way about cis guys who try to get a vasectomy before they have kids. its really fucking creepy imo, like the same thing as doctors who refuse to do abortions. this situation just ends turning you into an optics nuke trooning out when you are old so you end up bricked with a kid and paying child support. >If you instead try to transition you get hit with various problemsif you dont you just get hit with worse problems
>>45305425You're doing the male version of an afab detroon grift
>>45306941I do think most people have an innate desire for children (not just sex) but it does seem to vary a lot from person to person. The people who opt to transition will generally be people with less/no desire to have children. It's also a problem that could potentially be solved. Perhaps there is some drug that could be used to preserve fertility (that we simply have not discovered yet) or there is some type of gene therapy that could be used for it.
If you look at the current issues with medical transition it's all things that could potentially be resolved. > You become a minority that has lost rights in various areas and often serve as a political target. Solved by having a stable system of governance where that isn't going to happen (like some form of elite rule). > You become at least temporarily infertile. You can try banking sperm but i have never heard of anyone actually using said banked sperm to have children. You can stop HRT to try to get your fertility back but that takes months at the very least (assuming it works to begin with). We might discover some good way to prevent that at some point. We just aren't there yet. > You hit various passing roadbllocks depending on your physical traits and there is no shortage of those. You might have to spend like 80000$ on surgeries to have a chance of passing. A combination of sufficiently early transition and money tend to be able to solve that issue. > No good SRS options and very little hope to ever be able to get pregnant or give birth to your own child. Might not even be necessary to begin with if you are instead able to keep your male fertility.
>>45305425average ffxiv tranny
>treating gender dysphoria is stupid>instead you should continue in a constant state of revulsion towards your body to a point where you either commit suicide or end up transitioning anyway in your 50s, while your brain has been flayed away from years of dysphoriauhh, ima just transition anyway. Agree SRS is garbage but most everything else is pretty successful if you have good genetics (not to mention FFS has been a thing for normie women for years).But if you can tolerate being male and having testosterone continue to jack up your body, then more power to you, but HRT definitely did a miracle work for me so no I wouldn’t call it “stupid”.
>>45305425> You become at least temporarily infertile. You can try banking sperm but i have never heard of anyone actually using said banked sperm to have children. You can stop HRT to try to get your fertility back but that takes months at the very least (assuming it works to begin with).I feel like this is way overblown in that Doctor Reddit way where they say DIY will 100% kill you and make your head explode and herbs are nothing but snake oil. Especially if you’re only taking e and prog without blockers. I remember reading something about how they did a study where they took a bunch of transwomen who had been on hormones for years and almost all of them became fertile again after a few months
>>45307328yea most ppl can become fertile again w clomid and some months off HRT, less ppls balls shut down forever entirely than dont.
>>45307328It wasnt a study, it was a reddit post by dr powers.
>>45307370dr powers citing what he has seen in his patient base is probably more valuable than any study on trannies out there. because he actually has a huge volume of patients and cares abt improving care based on evidence instead of just churning garbage data and saying "well uh these sure are numbers! time to do nothing different forever!"
>>45307357If you’re already moided and started late I assume the chances are even lower
>>45307393Ok so reddit upvotes have replaced the scientific method, great.
its the opposite-- medical transition is good, social transition is stupid. people like picrel see transition as a means to create an identity to fill a specific void in their lives; its something that they present in their everyday lives otherwise they are nothing. a majority of "social transitioners", no matter the age are bruttish freaks. while theres a low return on investment on taking medication that will make you infertile, theres a much lower return on investment being fertile with such a legacy of freakishness.
I think everyone is forgetting that you have to have the means to support a child to begin with. Just taking care of myself is fucking hard bro
>>45307436>a majority of "social transitioners", no matter the age are bruttish freaks.but social-only transitioners make out the ”idols” of trans people like abigail thorne, hunter, vivian etc.
>>45307328It was 9/9 in one study i found. Did you read another one?https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medicine/fulltext/S2666-3791(22)00422-0#%20
>>45307422he gets downvoted frequently for unpopular findings (such as the one where he said he stopped a specific kind of ftm from wanting to transition by giving them estrogen). you're being dishonest and dumb as shit here, he just presents what he sees not what he thinks people want to hear or what gets le upvotes.
>>45307492if you say so.
>>45307486I honestly can’t remember it was just a thing I would hear
>>45307473they started off medically transitioning however. the teens who exclusively socially transition today are the ones who proclaim themselves as femboys.
>>45305425It's just so much more sexual and more fun to be gay
>>45307555Nope none of them are medically transitioning.
>>45307573Why would I want to have sex? Let’s be real it’s okay at best
>>45307555forgot to add as well that the most prominent femboy today is on hrt(finnster), while the most prominent trans women are not.
>>45305425> No good SRS optionsgetting better> very little hope to ever be able to get pregnant or give birth to your own childmakes me sad i never will be able to have a biological kid, but there are thousands of kids who need to be adopted. I would love to change one of their lives instead.
>>45307422well the profit motive destroyed scientific integrity decades ago so yeah upvotes are more reliable these days
>>45307669>the most prominent trans women are notwho?
>>45307709Yes because no one on the internet would lie or chase fame, honestly I’m surpised supposedly smart scientists didnt just realize this from the start. The internet is foolproof.
>>45305425take your HRT, retard
>>45307755The ones I listed and their ilk.
