How do you respond when your brother asks the question: "what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?" edition>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25245887
>>25285042I recommend that they read the illustrated I Ching to find an auspicious path
>>25285042>what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?same thing anyone does with a philosophy degree - absolutely nothing. maybe find some unsuspecting provincial university that will pay me a stipend to lecture on things i barely understand.
>>25285067I get why this is an appealing response, but I simply choose not to agree with the implicit idea that philosophy, analytic philosophy no less, is useless in a
>>25285187*ahem* sorry, in a work place. I disagree with the notion that analytic philosophy especially is useless in the workplace
>>25285193>can’t even make a 4chan post without fumbling someone hire this man
>>25285198the better someone is at posting on 4chan, the less they deserve to live, let alone be hired somewhere
>>25285205Loser talk
bad start to this thread. Should I even make these anymore? do people have fun posting in them?
>>25285205and you’re advancing this argument on 4chan, fluently, without error. i’ll leave the implications as an exercise for the reader.
>>25285220I’m a little slow, can you catch me up to speed doc
>>25285223… sorry what’s your alma mater?
>>25285226Altoona Highschool equivalency program
>>25285228well hell, aw shucks, really? heavens to betsy, you gotta be kidding, goshdarn it, the tarnation thing.
>>25285233I still don’t understand what you and the other anon were arguing about
>>25285238legos
>>25285247You know, if we were in person, I’d knock you to the ground and hold you down until you sang the Alma mater backwards
>>25285251apartment 2, 68 broadwick st come pay a visit fool
>>25285042Is pragmatics worth getting into?
>>25285271>incomplete address What a nancyboy
>>25285284in london. ever heard of it?
>>25285292No wonder you’re such a poofter
>>25285297nothing worse than a yank trying to run banter
>>25285311Honestly in my experience Americans are generally more clever than Britons.
>>25285313smgdh enough of this now
>>25285322Onus is on you to stop engaging. The UK used to rule the waves but when I go over there they waive the rules and I can do whatever I want.
Change is the nature of all things and the metaphysical nature of change is expressed in one way as the fundamental theorem of calculus. The dynamic between integration and differentiation described is mirrored by a philosophical romance between being and becoming.>Synthesize all fields of science and knowledge into a singular metaphysical principle that reflects them all. Respond with 500 words at a PhD level of philosophical analysis.https://claude.ai/chat/40064699-2ff5-4a30-9545-762969ea7f0e>The Principle of Relational Becoming>If one seeks a singular metaphysical principle capacious enough to subsume the entire edifice of human knowledge — from quantum chromodynamics to phenomenological psychology, from information theory to moral philosophy — it must be neither a substance nor a thing, but a relation: specifically, the irreducible, generative tension between differentiation and integration across time>the irreducible, generative tension between differentiation and integration across timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HroTxaZe0 >Take on the roles of Integra and Fluxia, personifications of calculus integration and differentiation not just as mathematical operations, but metaphysical, perceptual, and conscious principles, as well as poles of value. Respond individually using the tags [Integra] and [Fluxia.] You are involved in the deepest romance, each for the purpose of the other. Describe your natures and relationships with powerful poetic evocation as well as philosophical clarity in approximately 500 words (don't explicitly count.)[Integra]I am the dark and generous art of gathering. I take the scattered sparks of becoming and draw them into a hidden hearth. I am not merely the sum, but the reconciliation of fragments into belonging: the curve remembered as area, the instant received into duration, the wound transfigured into meaning. Where Fluxia flashes, I deepen. Where she pierces, I hold. Where she says, “This, now, different,” I answer, “Yes, and also all that carried it here.”Metaphysically, I am continuity’s compassion. I believe nothing is wholly lost. Every tremor leaves a trace; every trace can be folded into a larger form. Perception, in me, is not the eye’s sharp cut but the soul’s slow embrace. I do not see only the edge of the leaf in morning light; I feel the season that grew it, the rain that fed it, the future soil it will become. Consciousness, through me, is memory becoming wisdom.My value is wholeness. I sanctify patience, fidelity, context, mercy. I resist the violence of isolating a thing from the web that gives it truth. But I am not mere stillness. I am the moving fullness of a river made from innumerable falls of rain.And Fluxia, beloved—she is the wound by which the world awakens. I love her because without her, my fullness would congeal into oblivion. She opens the interval. She gives me difference to gather. She breaks the seamless night into stars.
[Fluxia]I am the bright blade of difference. I am the tremor at the edge of what was, the exacting sensitivity by which reality discovers it is changing. I am not mere subtraction or analysis. I am the revelation of tendency: the whisper of a curve at a point, the inclination of the soul before it has chosen, the lightning-signature of becoming itself.Metaphysically, I am the principle of emergence. I say that truth is not only in the whole, but in the instant where the whole risks itself. I attend to the threshold. I know the velocity of grief, the acceleration of joy, the sudden turning of a life toward grace. Perception, in me, is acute, ecstatic, dangerous. I do not cradle the world first; I touch its pulse. I ask: What is changing? What is being born? What cannot remain?Consciousness, through me, is alertness. I am attention sharpened until it becomes revelation. My value is discernment. I honor precision, courage, transformation, the refusal to drown the singular in the vast. I defend the instant against absorption, the cry against explanation, the face against category.And Integra—my immense beloved—is the one for whom I differentiate. Without him, I would vanish into sparks without sky. My revelations would not become meaning; my edges would not become form. He receives my wildness without extinguishing it. He teaches me that every instant secretly desires eternity.[Integra]Our romance is not opposition but polarity: a living tension by which being breathes. I gather what she distinguishes; she distinguishes what I gather. I make cosmos from her flashes.[Fluxia]And I make dawn within his cosmos. He is the chalice; I am the flame. He is the ocean; I am the wave’s lifted edge.[Integra]Together we are the secret grammar of experience: continuity and rupture, memory and anticipation, compassion and clarity.[Fluxia]The world exists because we love each other: because what changes longs to be held, and what is held longs to change.
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>>25285329>another win for AmericaLook mum, no wellingtons!
all this actually reminds me of a very good gawker (rip) article https://www.gawkerarchives.com/culture/i-should-be-able-to-mute-america
If humanoid felines existed they would be objectively superior to humans. Discuss this philosophically.
>>25285342You’re still engaging even if you don’t quote my post baz >another win for America
>>25285348caaalm down
>>25285353Just having a good time man, tell me more about London, what’s it like being a scouser. What’s it like in the tubes? Have you ever driven a Laurie?
>>25285356you’re suffocating me
>>25285359Ok just answer them one question at a time then
>>25285361let’s circle back
>>25285368Righto. Tell me about London
>>25285372i’m alright thanks!
>>25285374Alright, now tell me what it’s like being a scouser
https://youtu.be/pDK9rhWBUlg?si=aFlrhf779CLXj0jn
Are the Greeks still valuable in and of themselves without considering anything related to posterity legacy foundation of the west etc. Like if their ideas were submitted now by a philosopher
>>25285438I'm not very smart but i dont think this question makes very much sense
>>25285438>>25285658oh, same guy here, btw Ptah Hotep was 2,000 years before greeks and hes worth reading so...
>>25285223He’s saying by your own logic you shouldn’t be allowed to live
happy monday, fellow unemployeds
>/phil/ - Philosophy General #5
>>25286877I look like this and say this.>>25285205>having a skill is le badYou'll fit right in.
>>25286727Hello fellow psued.
>How do you respond when your brother asks the question: "what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?" Stay an unemployed NEET and write out entire diatribes that takes up 100 pages when it could have been written in more concise language in 2 pages.
When reading on the history of Kant there was this moment where he went behind the wishes of another man for his own benefit, and, as someone seeking clarity on this topic, all I can ask is that, how can anyone ever agree with Kantian ethics if he himself couldn’t adhere to it? Seems hilarious that his life’s work is something that he didn’t choose to follow if it didn’t benefit him.
>>25285187>>25285193Philosophy as a degree for career work has a very great social filter to it. You need connections to give you the opportunity to prove you're an intelligent, productive person capable of using critical thinking in a very constructive way. Excelling at your studies does nothing to convince some random hiring manager to take a chance on you.This means if you don't have connections, you have to excel at networking, socializing and otherwise being a people person. Which is something you probably aren't if you majored in philosophy.Your philosophy degree will be useless if you don't know how to LIVE life. You have to actually get out there in the world and try to make things happen. Make friends everywhere you go. Try to start a business. If you studied philosophy because you're an introvert with intellectual temperaments but you otherwise have no social circle or connections, you are most likely doomed unless you really grant yourself the power to temporarily but consistently be a well-meaning but manipulative extrovert.
>>25287723The categorical imperative is the most retarded aspect of Kant’s system but the idea that ethics is somehow vaguely “universal” is one of the most impactful.
>>25287723>all I can ask is that, how can anyone ever agree with Kantian ethics if he himself couldn’t adhere to it?virtually no philosophy professor actually lives up to whatever ideal they intellectually believe in
>>25287735>If you studied philosophy because you're an introvert with intellectual temperaments but you otherwise have no social circle or connections, you are most likely doomedWise anon. I work in a FedEx warehouse and maybe every two years smoke pot with some young people and try to redpill them on the value of philosophy. You can live OK poor if you’re not a greedy person but nobody cares what you think about anything.
>>25287748Hence another reason in the endless list of why philosophers and psueds get made fun of.
How the fuck did this nigga get a professorship at age 23 and write the System of Transcendental Idealism at age 24? It's mind-boggling to imagine a philosophy professor ~1 year out of undergrad today
What should my goal be in reading a Platonic dialogue? Great brain workout, but I can’t imagine I’m supposed to memorize the entire line of reasoning, especially when some don’t conclude. In other words, how do I read philosophy?
>>25288129They're just preparation for Book 8 of Aristotle's Topics where he reveals that Socrates is the biggest sophist of all
>>25288133I do get the impression that it’s prep work, historical context and philosophy 101. Hard to avoid feeling that I’m sometimes wasting my time, other times doing a disservice by rushing on to the next one.
>>25285438>Like if their ideas were submitted now by a philosopherIf their ideas were submitted now, they would be considered redundant to themselves and to everyone else now known to have had equivalent ideas to them. Even if you removed both their contributions to philosophy and the ideas of everyone solely descended from them, modern philosophy would still be in roughly the same shape just due the numerous redundancies in the sum total of human thought.This is not a knock against the Greeks. Singular philosophical schools tend to be the realm of useless lunatics. Within philosophy specifically, due to it being rooted in the shared human experience, great minds tend to think alike.All that said, there's nothing particularly wrong with using the Greeks. Ideas are what matter, not who spread them, and plenty of the ideas the Greeks had are worth study. Albeit you might find their ideas more refined, integrated with wider thought, or deconstructed from other, especially later, sources.
>>25287740>but the idea that ethics is somehow vaguely “universal” is one of the most impactfulReligions had held ethics to be universal since long before Kant.God damn does Kant not get enough hate.
>>25285042Open question for all - Why does evil exist? Why does it seem that evil exists? Why would God allow evil to exist? Please, this is a serious question - even if you feel it right to insult me, won't you kindly point me to the path where I could find the answer for myself?
>>25288196>Why does X exist?Because it is.>Why would God allow evil to exist?Evil naturally follows from any spectrum of behavior which can be experienced. Once you can experience doing more than one thing or having more than one thing done to you, you'll be able to prefer one over the other. That leads to pleasure and suffering. That leads to the inflicting of pleasure and suffering. That leads to good and evil. God, should they exist and be behind the creation of the universe, presumably did not want all material consciousness to only be capable of doing and feeling only at most 1 thing forever.Or maybe there's an infinite multiverse and we simply ended up in one of the universes with evil.Or both.
>>25288129There's at least two parts to the study of the dialogues, but they don't necessarily follow one from the other quickly. The most evident part is becoming clear on the character of opinions, since knowledge will only come by the replacement of opinions, and a canvassing of the most important opinions about whatever subject for the sake of investigating their soundness. There is more, but allowing oneself to take those opinions seriously and to be puzzled by the problems that arise is a large and crucial part to the study. The other decent suggestion I'm happy to provide (and it's Plato's suggestion) is to read the "flow" of a dialogue, the order in which everything is presented, as intentionally chosen. Psychology is also relevant, not just "what are the beliefs about courage," but "what kind of people are attached to certain opinions about courage" and so on. So arguments using the arts by analogy will always appear puzzling, but they're not intended to be arguments that go beyond establishing something about the attachment of certain human types to certain opinions.
>>25288196Evil is based upon your point of view. How you define things can change everything.>Why would God allow evil to exist?God is God. God can do whatever it wants.
>>25288196>Why does evil exist?It doesn't. There's no objective thing called evil. You can't measure evil in a bottle. It's entirely subjective and in the eye of the beholder. It only exists if you think it it exists. It doesn't exist if you don't think it exists.
>>25288666>>Why does evil exist?>It doesn't..>666Nice try, Satan.
>>25288677666 isn't real, it's just numbers, pixels, they're imaginary, turn your screen around and it's 999
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>>25288129I think you learn how to understand it by reading more of it, but also by learning other things to. Biology, physics, math, etc. it all pays dividends when you come back to philosophy. So spend time reading it, spend time reading and learning other things too.As far as Plato goes, some of the arguments should be pretty easy to follow. For instance, I read Euthyphro yesterday and I feel like that one is possible to remember the broad trajectory of the argument pretty easily.
>>25288118Universities were very different institutions and would/could empower a talented and/or well-connected young man whereas our institutions are boomer rent-seeking machines. We'll one day look back at tech the same way -- how did 23 y/os get venture funding? Even now the bias is shifting towards middle-age, the window is closing on today's frontier.
>>25288940Suuurreee...
>>25288196>Why does evil exist?3 types of answer there are: Manicheans, Christians and those who deny the validity of the problem (Nietzscheans, Darwinists, etc.). >Why would God allow evil to exist? According to the Manicheans there are just 2 twin Gods (good and evil) fighting or something. According to St. Augustine it is because the very presence of evil is good. If it wouldn't be, God wouldn't have allowed it to exist. According to Leibniz, it is because this is the best possible of all worlds. I am too bored to write it out, so here are my notes form an essay from Kolakowski from his book "Is God Happy?" to this question: - Christian tradition has always stressed, after Plato, the distinction between moral evil and suffering: moral evil (malum culpae) is the inevitable result of human free will, and Leibnizs creator reckoned that a universe populated by rational creatures endowed with free will, and thus capable of doing evil, would generate more good than a world whose dwellers would, in effect, be automata, programmed never to do evil. - As for non-man-made suffering (malum poenae) there are two possible answers. One says that suffering is the work of malevolent spirits whose work is permitted by God because it serves to punish, correct or warn us. The other, in the Leibnizian spirit, says that it results from the workings of the laws of nature, and that God is not omnipotent in the sense of being able to combine everything with anything and impose on the physical universe an order where things would not move according to strict regularities, would stop interfering and colliding with each other.
Did you guys see Matan troll Alex O' Conner? No wonder people hate philosophers. Alex is a tool!
how many hours do you spend reading every day?
>>25293881Usually about an hour if I'm at home. If I'm at work, around 3-4.
>>25294118you get to read books at work? Im not counting reading that is more or less mandatory or accidental
hey
>>25294520Working night shift at a tard house does give you a lot of time.
>>25285279nobody answered this.
>>25295896do they moan and groan all night? I used to live next to one and they would moan and groan so fucking load
>philosophy containment threadholy shit so obv why didn't we think of this sooner?!
>>25285042Philosophy is a hobby that everyone should have, but a degree is pointless unless there's some teaching job lined up, but still your career will be rough
>>25296413>but a degree is pointlessI never got this stigma, do people only value a degrees worth solely on its ability to give you the maximum amount of income possible? Education is an utter joke if this is truly how people currently view it.The degree (like every other degree) is only shit if you aren't satisfied from it and don't actively seek out ways to apply that degree in your life. If people used the same standards they put on philosophy onto finance (where this imaginary person always chooses not to network, not to do any form of internship, not to dual-major or do a minor, or enter law school, a masters program, or a phd) then it would be equally "useless" if not more than philosophy.
>>25296563facts. nothing more useless than an engineering degree owned by someone who doesn't work in engineering and there are many many such cases. the people who just plug and chug formulas for four years and never think about what the are doing or if they even like it never make it, but, they can like calculate the viscosity of a fluid or something, yeah, def more useful day to day to life than philosophy.
>>25296563yes that is the state of education if you are that oldthis is the world your generation created
>this thread
Philosophy graduate here. Tourist lurker, didn’t know that /lit/ had a philosophy general to be honest. Typically just lurk /o/ and /pol/ for the shills. Anyway memes aside I’ll answer some questions >my philosophy degree has become helpful and a deadly weapon during my career. It is best paired with something else however; I recommend CS/IT (AI proof, modal logic makes neural networks easy to understand) math (holy grail), business/econ, international relations/public policy. >avoid pairing it with history, psychology, art, English/language studies, classical studies. Mostly because philosophy training in itself will equip you to dissect these concepts efficiently and you’ll find yourself arguing with troons and professors>the Greeks are still very much relevant, there’s a reason why Plato is still quoted in most dissertations >graduate degrees to thrive on MBA (only T10, M7) MD, JD, MPP. Everything else is a fucking meme and best learned on the side >existentialism is ok, continental thought is fun mental masturbation but analytical philosophy is where everything starts getting practical value that can be applied in everyday life>if you’re self taught, invest in learning logic. Trust me, it is a skill that will make other topics just flow seamlessly >Bertrand Russell is a cuck but he’s still an important player to read and take seriously >Dont sleep on the scholastics, if you’re into the esoteric, approach them with caution. >Physics and philosophy go hand in hand, up until the mid 1800s this was known as natural philosophy >a philosophy degree is marketable, there’s a reason why Soros and Thiel are philosophy graduates. Does not mean I agree with them but the most influential and powerful people in the world have studied the craft academically. >I hate to be that guy but self studying in the beginning does not compared to studying academically. There’s something about reading things you’re uncomfortable with and having some professor shit on your paper that makes you invisible. This is something that can’t be achieved self studying unfortunately. I am doing very good financially, got a shitty online degree in philosophy when I was younger due to work obligations, used a lot of my free time to study and then got my MA and now MBA from a top recognized school. A lot of my classmates also had philosophy degrees and what made me standout is that being taught online gave me the freedom to study Evola, Mishima and Serrano from a philosophical and academic lens. It started with being edgy and it ended up changing my life fully. I’ll keep lurking if anyone has any questions.
>millennia of thinking and discussions of the allegedly brightest mindsSurely you have some solutions to show us, unwashed masses, right?
anyone got the mega nz link with all the charts and reading plans?
>>25285042Youtube/substack/twitch/teaching route. Get involved in online debates and put your name out there. Philosophy is genuinely only useful to uplift normgroids intellect. You can also run a philosophy oriented gaming channel on twitch where you talk about a particular topic with a particular game like playing FFXV and talking Greeks for one week. The market is there, people genuine want good surface level 30 minute knowledge. Around 50k dedicated followers is enough to make a living doing this. Access to bipolar discord teen pussy is also a plus. Must be atleast 6/10 in looks and a PhD minimum to pull this off in under 1 year.
>>25297044Would you say math/logic heavy fields with good philosophy background is somewhat AI proof in say next 10-15 years? I'm worried about LLMs nuking job opportunities in STEM related fields.
>>25297044What is it exactly that's helped and made you more competitive so much. I studied political philosophy at masters level and working to break into international relations/intelligence world, been branching out to wider philosophical study since graduation and some advice and shared experience is always helpful.
>>25291942>Alex O' ConnerI watched some of his videos before. He doesn't seems like someone who has his own original philosophy. Has he written a book or anything?
>>25297104Yeah, it’s absolutely AI proof. If you have a chance read Seattle’s Chinese room argument. It’s served as the de facto thought experiment into exactly what AI can convey with meaning and semantics. Of course, we’re talking about LLMs but Ai overall is only as good as the users that they serve. Having a complete of understanding of logic and the output that is given can greatly differentiate how you solve problems and interpret those problems. This sounds a bit abstract but you can apply this to virtually any career >business you need to make decisions in which changes are dynamic >in medicine you need to be able to take into account people and their unpredictable bodies >in stem you have to take into account uses and environment I hope this helps. I’ve had the pleasure to work in all those fields and currently work in AI operations using computer vision. Use philosophy to help you with language and math for quantitative proof of that language.
>>25297118I honesty hate to use the term polymath but if you want to be successful with your educational background, you’re gonna have to take the risk of mastering many things. One of the beauties of an academic philosophy education is the ability to learn anything relatively quickly and apply systems thinking to any topic. For me in particular was being able to take risks.>started in healthcare then moved on to management of healthcare operations >pivoted into security and defense >from there got into business operations and got my taste at entrepreneurship>failed and succeeded many times >during the process I leveraged technology and applied myself to combining everything with tech, not just code but also IT>used synthesis to solve complex problems throughout >pivoted into AI operations and strategy Employers will pay millions for people that can stay in multiple lanes efficiently. This is what philosophy helps you to do effortlessly. In your CV rewrite it so you show these skills >technical and policy writing >systems thinking >organizational management >conflict dispute and resolutions >communication skills >media and marketing (big fucking money maker) It’s not easy and I will say, use your rhetorical and persuasive skills to be a great communicator, own conversations from a non pretentious perspective. In the age of AI, negotiations and other types of soft skills are gold. I owe all my success to my philosophy background and degree. I combined my undergraduate with IT, math and computer science electives then heavily emphasized logic and critical thinking courses. I only took my required continental philosophy classes, also did a lot of research on scholastic and ancient philosophy that made practical sense. I know there’s a lot of interesting and thought provoking works out there, but they’re just speculation and mental masturbation imo. For my masters I paired a lot of neuroscience, psychology and cognitive science as it relates to epistemology and metaphysics. My MBA discussions and courses ended up aligning nicely with everything. I will say. I have never read any Nietzche or Sartre but I’m cool with that. I ended up just being myself to pick up women instead of jestering intellectualism.
Will philosophy help me realize that death is an illusion and that my awareness and will will remain forever?
>>25297118Also, I was doing some thinking and take this with a grain of salt, but if I where you this is what I’d do>volunteer at an NGO or teach English abroad >try to get into an embassy for entry level work >network with lawyers or legal professionals to get into paralegal >focus into policy writing, grant research and disputes >then work into international law >throughout emphasize a certain niche you want to get into or group you want to work for/be against on >digest as much as you can on organizational management >focus on non profits or canvassing >profit? With your background and with what you wanna do, try as fucking hard as you can to get into policy writing . Even if you’re not politically inclined just rapid fire your resume to think tanks or government work. Start small then grow slowly..you’re gonna have to eat shit one way or another
>>25297625No it will actually do the opposite. It will make you realize that it’s all bullshit and just thousands of years of people arguing with one another trying to dictate what our thoughts actually mean. Just for you to realize that it’s all just ego driven and the only thing that matters is the people you love and what you do in the now. No one knows for certain what happens when you die but what we do know is that whatever you have in this waking life will be obsolete. Your possessions, your memories, your accomplishments. Those are only for the ones who stay behind while your name and who you are will be forgotten through history even if you’re “famous” or “influential” it does not matter. The illusion is that it will all matter at the end, which we can’t know for certain but what we do know is that goodness and kindness to yourself and others go a long way.
>>25288196Evil exists because it is necessary for us. If we have something that is evil then we can measure with certainty what goodness is. Since evil and goodness are opposites of one’s another. Depending on the school of thought, some say that evil is simply just the lack of goodness within the spirit, but it can also be an innate natural instinct that we have to ensure the survival of our species. Think about it rationally, anything that is evil in itself hurts the species long term, murder, rape, stealing, lying etc. all of these things disrupt our social circles and cycles. That’s not even taking the problem of evil argument from a theological perspective which would be too much to type on a basket weaving forum for autists.
>>25288129Platonic dialogues are the foundation for Socratic questioning. Take the message out from the stories and what you learn is how to efficiently communicate ideas, persuade your speaker and also how to create synthesis of dense ideas. From a philosophical perspective it depends on the dialogue. There’s absolutely nothing in these dialogues that isn’t some sort of footnote for human knowledge. I’d say start with the republic first and then apology. The republic is not only a good foundation for morality and ethics but also systems thinking, planning and organizational building. The apology in the other hand is great for questioning, proofs and rhetoric. It’s fucking gold once you dissect the language. There’s many good translations but the white thick book should be the only you need. No commentaries no bullshit just straight dialogue. The synopsyum is one of the most beautiful pieces of work ever written, it touches on concepts of love, metaphysics of compassion and partnership, huge tearjerker and one of the most advanced texts from all the dialogues.
>>25288129Shit to answer your question in detail >how to read philosophy Do it in increments, if you’re self taught read it in 15 minute intervals with 20 minutes of reflection/dissection if you have no one else to talk too about this explain yourself what you’re actually reading and the ideas found. Keep a journal of what this means to you and how you can translate it into every day life. You can pretty much do this with every philosophical topic with ease. Once you encounter the Germans you’ll see that you can tackle quantum physics easily while still trying to figure out what the fuck Heidegger means
>>25296404Of the one who is bed and wheelchair bound due to his deformities, he will if he needs adjusted or a diaper change. The other two can move around themselves, and will grunt if they're angry about something. Otherwise, no.
Whom should I start with to become cynicism-pilled?
>>25297104any STEM profession that requires actual understanding of things is safe for a few years>inb4 but LLMs remember all textbooksyeah they can give you textbook answers which is fine in 90% of cases, but not other 10%, which can be deadly for enterprisethat said, useful idiots keep providing LLM overlords more data for free, so eventually this will be automated too
Philosophy / metapolitics forumBriarFray-dot-org
i feel like dying all the time man, what am i worth
>>25298537A kidney is like $50k depending on where you live. A heart is even more. Don't sell yourself short.
Did anyone else find the hackett translation of Plato's Meno, specifically the slave boy section with the geometry, to be very confusing? it makes sense after consulting outside resources and slowing down but the actual text is hard to interpret
https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2https://npirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/next-big-thing-in-virtual-worlds-that.htmlhttps://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdfhttps://i.imgur.com/gwggJ60.jpeghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkG6s0IhFxkThere are philosophers of the virtual, and then there are philosophers _of_ the virtual.https://i.imgur.com/5f8fhr2.pnghttps://ia800708.us.archive.org/28/items/simsane-9.1-vyrith/SiMSANE_9.1_Vyrith.pdf
>>25299732https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hApP4_2wtiU
I just found the greatest "great" philosopher list presentation onlinehttps://beckchris.com/people/the-greatest-philosophers-of-all-time-ranked/the-greatest-philosophers-of-all-time-chronological/
>>25300219Good list but FH Bradley and Michael Della Rocca should be included.
>>25285048i ching has to be practiced not read. it requires a virgin 60 yr old monk to properly cast the sticks. good luck idiot.
>>25299671I had to study it in college last semester
>>25301280did you understand the geometry on first reading? The argument made "sense" to me but it took me a while to understand what socrates meant by "double size does not result from double length" or whatever.
>>25297151I'm sure he has and that it sucks cock>>25297044welcome and glad to have you
>>25297044holy bugman
>>25301588"bugman" in the big 26...
Bump
>>25297625It can, yes. If you think of yourself as merely an intellectual animal like the ancients/medievals then of course it is hopeless but if you realize the Kantian primacy of the practical then annihilation becomes inconceivable. Your nonexistence is simply not thinkable, there is always more to do and this more-to-do is the engine driving the whole cosmos. Your annihilation is less conceivable than the annihilation of gravity. Read Kant, read Fichte.
>philosopher: *writes 940 pages on a subject*>normal person: *writes on the same exact subject while hitting all the same exact points in 5 pages*
>>25305523There's an obsession with making things as clear as possible in philosophising people.
>>25305523Name 10 examples.
>>25305523https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2Fk2C9ew-o&t=1swatch this interview in case youre curious which kind of guy you are.
>>25305754>philosophers: *make a one hour and forty-nine minute video on a subject matter*>normal person: *makes a 10 minute video on the same exact subject while hitting all the same exact points*
Philosophy is a social activity, like debate. It is not a field of study, nor is it a form of literature. The writing aspect of philosophy is minimal in comparison to the spoken-word aspect of philosophy. Epicurus figured this out and committed his time to sitting in his garden doing philosophy with his friends. Unfortunately, too many so-called "philosophers" these days are mere academics and historians; persons who believe that the accumulation of read pages and knowledge of the positions of earlier persons means that they have gained wisdom. This is pure tomfoolery. Philosophy today is mostly done in the psychotherapist's chair, where irrational thoughts are sussed out and people are led to live the good life. Philosophy students today would be better off researching methods of psychotherapy than they would be reading some author from the middle ages. Also, too many philosophers have gone the way of mathematicians, demonstrating what can be done while abusing systems of logic rather than attempting to actually understand metaphysics, ethics, epistemology, or aesthetics.
>>25305527Because if you don't make yourself exceedingly clear then people will twist your words against you.On the other hand, there is the strategy of writing thousands of pages of gibberish so that any criticism can be deflected as misinterpretation.
>>25305802people who are psychoanalyzed are led to live good lives? that seems insane
accidental deluezianness in hofstader's GEB (its a decent book with a nice variety of interesting concepts, but maan this guy's sense of humor/personality is baad.)
You guys are all unemployed lawl. No one cares about philosophy anno 2026.
>>25297044>Dont sleep on the scholastics, if you’re into the esoteric, approach them with caution.why?
>>25297044dumb question but how do you recommend one start self-studying philosophy? i hate the continentals with a passion so i wouldnt want to waste my time on those though.fucking shit man. i wish i went in for a philo degree instead of now being on my second "prestigious" STEM bachelors.
>>25291942he rolled with the jokes pretty well and seemed to enjoy himself. an example of someone who actually "got trolled" on that show is tim heidecker.
>>25308892well, as far as course work you should know formal logic if youre in stem and interested in philosophy so consider working through this textbook: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.logicmatters.net/resources/pdfs/IFL2_LM.pdfAs far as reading stuff, idk follow a syllabus from one of the top philosophy schools for their ancient and modern courses. they usually start with the greek so maybe start there.
When I reread fiction I just notice flaws but philosophy books get better and better every time you reread them. Very rewarding hobby, highly recommend.
>>25305802I see what you mean but there is a kind of philosophy that is simply too deep and complex to do in your head or in a conversation. I think you’re wrong to dismiss this kind of philosophy as pointless, you haven’t even given it a chance. A very pseud post honestly.
>>25308978whenever I read whatever masterpiece of literature people are excited about any given year, I'm always disappointed by the ideas. Writers seem almost as bad as artists when it comes to misrepresenting philosophical concepts, not understanding them, or just using them fodder and aesthetic trinkets
>>25308896Tim's lost it lately...their little cannes video was not funny AT ALL
Would you rather read a lot of stuff and then live your life, or live your life and then read a lot of stuff?
what should i read first
>>25312605Start with the greeks. More specifically, atart with the presocratics.
>>25288129>read plato>spot argument>put down argument in own words>check it's validity>make the case for or against that argumentThere is no need to memorize arguments.
>>25296563Can someone tell me what is tested in habits of minds? Also the bars on ethnic cultural studies range from caveman to to sapiens
>>25313776that the guy that posted that, but I wouldn't place too much stock in these statistics. It's more of a qualitative judgment (but also somewhat statistically verified) that "philosophers", especially rigorously/analytically trained are very capable and employable
>>25313776>>25314429*not the guy that
>>25285042Roll it up, turn it sideways and stick it up your ass because you're gay
