How do you respond when your brother asks the question: "what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?" edition>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25245887
>>25285042I recommend that they read the illustrated I Ching to find an auspicious path
>>25285042>what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?same thing anyone does with a philosophy degree - absolutely nothing. maybe find some unsuspecting provincial university that will pay me a stipend to lecture on things i barely understand.
>>25285067I get why this is an appealing response, but I simply choose not to agree with the implicit idea that philosophy, analytic philosophy no less, is useless in a
>>25285187*ahem* sorry, in a work place. I disagree with the notion that analytic philosophy especially is useless in the workplace
>>25285193>can’t even make a 4chan post without fumbling someone hire this man
>>25285198the better someone is at posting on 4chan, the less they deserve to live, let alone be hired somewhere
>>25285205Loser talk
bad start to this thread. Should I even make these anymore? do people have fun posting in them?
>>25285205and you’re advancing this argument on 4chan, fluently, without error. i’ll leave the implications as an exercise for the reader.
>>25285220I’m a little slow, can you catch me up to speed doc
>>25285223… sorry what’s your alma mater?
>>25285226Altoona Highschool equivalency program
>>25285228well hell, aw shucks, really? heavens to betsy, you gotta be kidding, goshdarn it, the tarnation thing.
>>25285233I still don’t understand what you and the other anon were arguing about
>>25285238legos
>>25285247You know, if we were in person, I’d knock you to the ground and hold you down until you sang the Alma mater backwards
>>25285251apartment 2, 68 broadwick st come pay a visit fool
>>25285042Is pragmatics worth getting into?
>>25285271>incomplete address What a nancyboy
>>25285284in london. ever heard of it?
>>25285292No wonder you’re such a poofter
>>25285297nothing worse than a yank trying to run banter
>>25285311Honestly in my experience Americans are generally more clever than Britons.
>>25285313smgdh enough of this now
>>25285322Onus is on you to stop engaging. The UK used to rule the waves but when I go over there they waive the rules and I can do whatever I want.
Change is the nature of all things and the metaphysical nature of change is expressed in one way as the fundamental theorem of calculus. The dynamic between integration and differentiation described is mirrored by a philosophical romance between being and becoming.>Synthesize all fields of science and knowledge into a singular metaphysical principle that reflects them all. Respond with 500 words at a PhD level of philosophical analysis.https://claude.ai/chat/40064699-2ff5-4a30-9545-762969ea7f0e>The Principle of Relational Becoming>If one seeks a singular metaphysical principle capacious enough to subsume the entire edifice of human knowledge — from quantum chromodynamics to phenomenological psychology, from information theory to moral philosophy — it must be neither a substance nor a thing, but a relation: specifically, the irreducible, generative tension between differentiation and integration across time>the irreducible, generative tension between differentiation and integration across timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_HroTxaZe0 >Take on the roles of Integra and Fluxia, personifications of calculus integration and differentiation not just as mathematical operations, but metaphysical, perceptual, and conscious principles, as well as poles of value. Respond individually using the tags [Integra] and [Fluxia.] You are involved in the deepest romance, each for the purpose of the other. Describe your natures and relationships with powerful poetic evocation as well as philosophical clarity in approximately 500 words (don't explicitly count.)[Integra]I am the dark and generous art of gathering. I take the scattered sparks of becoming and draw them into a hidden hearth. I am not merely the sum, but the reconciliation of fragments into belonging: the curve remembered as area, the instant received into duration, the wound transfigured into meaning. Where Fluxia flashes, I deepen. Where she pierces, I hold. Where she says, “This, now, different,” I answer, “Yes, and also all that carried it here.”Metaphysically, I am continuity’s compassion. I believe nothing is wholly lost. Every tremor leaves a trace; every trace can be folded into a larger form. Perception, in me, is not the eye’s sharp cut but the soul’s slow embrace. I do not see only the edge of the leaf in morning light; I feel the season that grew it, the rain that fed it, the future soil it will become. Consciousness, through me, is memory becoming wisdom.My value is wholeness. I sanctify patience, fidelity, context, mercy. I resist the violence of isolating a thing from the web that gives it truth. But I am not mere stillness. I am the moving fullness of a river made from innumerable falls of rain.And Fluxia, beloved—she is the wound by which the world awakens. I love her because without her, my fullness would congeal into oblivion. She opens the interval. She gives me difference to gather. She breaks the seamless night into stars.
[Fluxia]I am the bright blade of difference. I am the tremor at the edge of what was, the exacting sensitivity by which reality discovers it is changing. I am not mere subtraction or analysis. I am the revelation of tendency: the whisper of a curve at a point, the inclination of the soul before it has chosen, the lightning-signature of becoming itself.Metaphysically, I am the principle of emergence. I say that truth is not only in the whole, but in the instant where the whole risks itself. I attend to the threshold. I know the velocity of grief, the acceleration of joy, the sudden turning of a life toward grace. Perception, in me, is acute, ecstatic, dangerous. I do not cradle the world first; I touch its pulse. I ask: What is changing? What is being born? What cannot remain?Consciousness, through me, is alertness. I am attention sharpened until it becomes revelation. My value is discernment. I honor precision, courage, transformation, the refusal to drown the singular in the vast. I defend the instant against absorption, the cry against explanation, the face against category.And Integra—my immense beloved—is the one for whom I differentiate. Without him, I would vanish into sparks without sky. My revelations would not become meaning; my edges would not become form. He receives my wildness without extinguishing it. He teaches me that every instant secretly desires eternity.[Integra]Our romance is not opposition but polarity: a living tension by which being breathes. I gather what she distinguishes; she distinguishes what I gather. I make cosmos from her flashes.[Fluxia]And I make dawn within his cosmos. He is the chalice; I am the flame. He is the ocean; I am the wave’s lifted edge.[Integra]Together we are the secret grammar of experience: continuity and rupture, memory and anticipation, compassion and clarity.[Fluxia]The world exists because we love each other: because what changes longs to be held, and what is held longs to change.
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>>25285329>another win for AmericaLook mum, no wellingtons!
all this actually reminds me of a very good gawker (rip) article https://www.gawkerarchives.com/culture/i-should-be-able-to-mute-america
If humanoid felines existed they would be objectively superior to humans. Discuss this philosophically.
>>25285342You’re still engaging even if you don’t quote my post baz >another win for America
>>25285348caaalm down
>>25285353Just having a good time man, tell me more about London, what’s it like being a scouser. What’s it like in the tubes? Have you ever driven a Laurie?
>>25285356you’re suffocating me
>>25285359Ok just answer them one question at a time then
>>25285361let’s circle back
>>25285368Righto. Tell me about London
>>25285372i’m alright thanks!
>>25285374Alright, now tell me what it’s like being a scouser
https://youtu.be/pDK9rhWBUlg?si=aFlrhf779CLXj0jn
Are the Greeks still valuable in and of themselves without considering anything related to posterity legacy foundation of the west etc. Like if their ideas were submitted now by a philosopher
>>25285438I'm not very smart but i dont think this question makes very much sense
>>25285438>>25285658oh, same guy here, btw Ptah Hotep was 2,000 years before greeks and hes worth reading so...
>>25285223He’s saying by your own logic you shouldn’t be allowed to live
happy monday, fellow unemployeds
>/phil/ - Philosophy General #5
>>25286877I look like this and say this.>>25285205>having a skill is le badYou'll fit right in.
>>25286727Hello fellow psued.
>How do you respond when your brother asks the question: "what are you going to do with your philosophy degree?" Stay an unemployed NEET and write out entire diatribes that takes up 100 pages when it could have been written in more concise language in 2 pages.
When reading on the history of Kant there was this moment where he went behind the wishes of another man for his own benefit, and, as someone seeking clarity on this topic, all I can ask is that, how can anyone ever agree with Kantian ethics if he himself couldn’t adhere to it? Seems hilarious that his life’s work is something that he didn’t choose to follow if it didn’t benefit him.
>>25285187>>25285193Philosophy as a degree for career work has a very great social filter to it. You need connections to give you the opportunity to prove you're an intelligent, productive person capable of using critical thinking in a very constructive way. Excelling at your studies does nothing to convince some random hiring manager to take a chance on you.This means if you don't have connections, you have to excel at networking, socializing and otherwise being a people person. Which is something you probably aren't if you majored in philosophy.Your philosophy degree will be useless if you don't know how to LIVE life. You have to actually get out there in the world and try to make things happen. Make friends everywhere you go. Try to start a business. If you studied philosophy because you're an introvert with intellectual temperaments but you otherwise have no social circle or connections, you are most likely doomed unless you really grant yourself the power to temporarily but consistently be a well-meaning but manipulative extrovert.
>>25287723The categorical imperative is the most retarded aspect of Kant’s system but the idea that ethics is somehow vaguely “universal” is one of the most impactful.
>>25287723>all I can ask is that, how can anyone ever agree with Kantian ethics if he himself couldn’t adhere to it?virtually no philosophy professor actually lives up to whatever ideal they intellectually believe in
>>25287735>If you studied philosophy because you're an introvert with intellectual temperaments but you otherwise have no social circle or connections, you are most likely doomedWise anon. I work in a FedEx warehouse and maybe every two years smoke pot with some young people and try to redpill them on the value of philosophy. You can live OK poor if you’re not a greedy person but nobody cares what you think about anything.
>>25287748Hence another reason in the endless list of why philosophers and psueds get made fun of.
How the fuck did this nigga get a professorship at age 23 and write the System of Transcendental Idealism at age 24? It's mind-boggling to imagine a philosophy professor ~1 year out of undergrad today
What should my goal be in reading a Platonic dialogue? Great brain workout, but I can’t imagine I’m supposed to memorize the entire line of reasoning, especially when some don’t conclude. In other words, how do I read philosophy?
>>25288129They're just preparation for Book 8 of Aristotle's Topics where he reveals that Socrates is the biggest sophist of all
>>25288133I do get the impression that it’s prep work, historical context and philosophy 101. Hard to avoid feeling that I’m sometimes wasting my time, other times doing a disservice by rushing on to the next one.
>>25285438>Like if their ideas were submitted now by a philosopherIf their ideas were submitted now, they would be considered redundant to themselves and to everyone else now known to have had equivalent ideas to them. Even if you removed both their contributions to philosophy and the ideas of everyone solely descended from them, modern philosophy would still be in roughly the same shape just due the numerous redundancies in the sum total of human thought.This is not a knock against the Greeks. Singular philosophical schools tend to be the realm of useless lunatics. Within philosophy specifically, due to it being rooted in the shared human experience, great minds tend to think alike.All that said, there's nothing particularly wrong with using the Greeks. Ideas are what matter, not who spread them, and plenty of the ideas the Greeks had are worth study. Albeit you might find their ideas more refined, integrated with wider thought, or deconstructed from other, especially later, sources.
>>25287740>but the idea that ethics is somehow vaguely “universal” is one of the most impactfulReligions had held ethics to be universal since long before Kant.God damn does Kant not get enough hate.
>>25285042Open question for all - Why does evil exist? Why does it seem that evil exists? Why would God allow evil to exist? Please, this is a serious question - even if you feel it right to insult me, won't you kindly point me to the path where I could find the answer for myself?
>>25288196>Why does X exist?Because it is.>Why would God allow evil to exist?Evil naturally follows from any spectrum of behavior which can be experienced. Once you can experience doing more than one thing or having more than one thing done to you, you'll be able to prefer one over the other. That leads to pleasure and suffering. That leads to the inflicting of pleasure and suffering. That leads to good and evil. God, should they exist and be behind the creation of the universe, presumably did not want all material consciousness to only be capable of doing and feeling only at most 1 thing forever.Or maybe there's an infinite multiverse and we simply ended up in one of the universes with evil.Or both.
>>25288129There's at least two parts to the study of the dialogues, but they don't necessarily follow one from the other quickly. The most evident part is becoming clear on the character of opinions, since knowledge will only come by the replacement of opinions, and a canvassing of the most important opinions about whatever subject for the sake of investigating their soundness. There is more, but allowing oneself to take those opinions seriously and to be puzzled by the problems that arise is a large and crucial part to the study. The other decent suggestion I'm happy to provide (and it's Plato's suggestion) is to read the "flow" of a dialogue, the order in which everything is presented, as intentionally chosen. Psychology is also relevant, not just "what are the beliefs about courage," but "what kind of people are attached to certain opinions about courage" and so on. So arguments using the arts by analogy will always appear puzzling, but they're not intended to be arguments that go beyond establishing something about the attachment of certain human types to certain opinions.
