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I'd like to study Greek in the future, but I'm not at the point in my Latin where I'm ready to commit to it seriously. If I memorize a few lines from the Gospel of John each day, how far will that advance me in my knowledge of Greek? How well will that translate into Attic, Homeric, and other Koine authors? I find memorizing Latin poetry to be very fun and useful, so I'm wondering how useful memorization would be as a method of introduction into a new language, without committing to textbooks or readers.
you now remember that modern greek tried to larp as ancient greek.
>>25286645hard to say but at least if you spend some time on the alphabet and pronunciation to get it right from the start, that would already help you get used to the language's sounds so when/if you eventually delve deeper you have that part fully digested
>>25286773αἴθ' ὄφελον κρηῆναι! looks kino compared to the current language
>>25286773This is basically modern greek tho. It's not hard to understand at all for a modern greek that knows nothing about ancient greek.If it looks too ancient greek it's because of the tones and the breathing marks ( that were very wrongly removed from the language few decades ago).Modern greek clearly comes from ancient greek, this isn't really debatable.
>>25286844>wronglyThey convey no information in modern greek, other than "this is how a word was pronounced 2000 years ago".
Thoughts on studying at least two languages together? I wanna build the habit first just maybe 30mins-1hr each day for each language. Mostly interested in French and Latin. Is it a bad idea?
>>25287333As long as the languages are not too close to each other and you practice them at separate days, you should be fine. When they are too close to each other, the crossover may inhibit your learning speed/efficiency surprisingly.
>>25287195>he says as writes in English
Do you know enough about a classical language to be able to come out with a pun of your own?
>>25287742I could maybe come up with a sentence about a storm being like a goat (“aix”) if given enough time to think of a joke but there’s already a lot of classic lit that uses that pun.
>>25287333Why don’t you just pick one and do it well for a month or two first to establish the habits?
>>25287550>Iuliā>ā
>>25286598κλῆρον πάλλω
>>25288465>On the nature of Man.>To whomsoever has gotten used to listen to those speaking about human nature further than what pertains to medicine, listening to this discourse is of no avail: I don't say man is wholly air, or fire, or water, or earth, or anything else not plainly visible in man: but I leave it to those willing to say these things.>They seem to me indeed like they aren't properly understanding: they agree on the same knowledge, but don't say the same things; they reach the same conclusion, say that whatever it is it's one and united, but don't agree on the terms: for one of them says this unity is air, another it's fire, another water, another earth and every one of them adduces many arguments and indications to support their point, which are trifles.>Their disagreement on what they say despite starting from the same knowledge is a clear sign that their knowledge on what they say is faulty. One would know this especially by standing in the midst of them speaking against each other: the same men debating against each other with the same listeners around won't win the debate thrice in a row, but one day this, the other day that, another day the one whose tongue is most fluent in front of the crowd.>And yet it's right to say that who says that he knows what he is talking about should always provide the winning argument, if he knows how things are and demonstrates them right. But it seems to me that these kinds of men, due to their ignorance, debase themselves by being entrenched in these arguments, but straighten the argument by Melissos.Last part regarding Melissos feels sketchy not sure I really understood what he meant.
>>25288114I take it you're new to the ablative.
>>25288546I am actually a Hippocratic expert and can help you out with this! He is saying that all Monists ultimately support the same thing which is everything of one essence so arguing over how motion and difference works, ie Eleatics vs Heraclitus - is entirely pointless. By “throwing out your ideology and proving Melissos” he is saying that everyone (Thales, Heraclitus, etc) who considers the physical plane of one substance ultimately proves Eleaticism because Melissos (the most famous Eleatic of the time) believes the same thing as Thales or as Heraclitus but they just differ as to what to call Being. I hope I could have sorted that out for you! I never get to talk about Hippocrates on here.
>>25288546This thread in the archive is actually an in-depth analysis at this exact part of Polybus On Nature.https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24942361I am the only anon who seemingly cares about Hippocrates and Galen.
>>25289332>>25289340interesting, I had never even heard about Melissos before this, my experience with presocratics is limited, just few biographies in Diogenes Laertius and the poem on nature by Parmenides, the last line of this reading/translation exercise had kinda stumbled me a bit because ὀρθοῦν could maybe be interpreted also in the sense of "making right" so in a sense "improve" but I guess I got that right that it should be interpreted as their confusion so to speak leading, qua confusion, if you will, to strengthen Melissos' theory
>>25289388Yes you’re absolutely correct to read it in that way. It’s just saying Heraclitus/ Parmenides and Melissos/ Zeno/ Thales/ all of the Ionian school are preaching the same Monism and their differences as what to call the substance Being and how motion works only constitute at best minor nitpicking.
