Yeah this series fucks. I don't understand how it's not more popular, though I suppose that's a good thing these days.
>>25291845You have to actually read it to enjoy it.
filtered
>>25291845Yeah Wolfe is massively underrated
>>25291845Just started this on a friend's recommendation after putting it off for a long time. Kind of surprised at how much I'm liking the writing so far.
>>25291845Long Sun, Short Sun, and FHOC are better.
>>25291893>>25293224>>25293419>>25293496>>25291845manchildren detected
>>25293623Gonna need some new material if you want to keep harvesting loosh anon.
>>25293623You're the one who hasn't learned to capitalise yet.
>>25293897>You're the one who hasn't learned to capitalise yet.
>>25293961vance is fun, but completely mid when giving a review of prose and deeper meaning. there are levels of difference between turjan, tsais and liane's tale and anything in new sun. vance is an ideas guy, and again, it's fun, but any kind of writing critique is massively in wolfe's favor. i'd give zothique the same critique, although cas is a much better writer than vance.
>>25293961>Jack fucking Vance
>>25293961And you're the one calling people manchildren.
>>25291845Book of the New Sun is my favorite piece of sci-fi literature ever written, and it's not even close. I really love how flawed Wolfe writes Severian to be, he is truly a bad man who wants to be good. It's the ultimate delve into the psyche of someone chasing identity and purpose in a world where that doesn't feel possible.
>>25293224>won several prestigious awards>underratedAn hero, nigger.
>>25294338no award given to hundreds of different authors is "prestigious"
>>25294338Hardlt anyone IRL knows about him retard, that's obviously what I meant.
>>25294081>>25294215>>25294220>>25294221Grow up>Overall, I found nothing unique in Wolfe. Perhaps it's because I've read quite a bit of odd fantasy; if all I read was mainstream stuff, then I'd surely find Wolfe unpredictable, since he is a step above them. But compared to Leiber, Howard, Dunsany, Eddison, Kipling, Haggard, Peake, Mieville, or Moorcock, Wolfe is nothing special.>Perhaps I just got my hopes up too high. I imagined something that might evoke Peake or Leiber (at his best), perhaps with a complexity and depth gesturing toward Milton or Ariosto. I could hardly imagine a better book than that, but even a book half that good would be a delight--or a book that was nothing like that, but was unpredictable and seductive in some other way.>I kept waiting for something to happen, but it never really did. It all plods along without much rise or fall, just the constant moving action to make us think something interesting is happening. I did find some promise, some moments that I would have loved to see the author explore, particularly those odd moments where Silver Age Sci Fi crept in, but each time he touched upon these, he would return immediately to the smallness of his plot and his annoying prick of a narrator. I never found the book to be difficult or complex, merely tiring. the unusual parts were evasive and vague, and the dull parts constant and repetitive.>The whole structure (or lack of it) does leave things up to interpretation, and perhaps that's what some readers find appealing: that they can superimpose their own thoughts and values onto the narrator, and onto the plot itself. But at that point, they don't like the book Wolfe wrote, they like the book they are writing between his lines.
>>25291845Just give it 10-12 years and some streaming studio will announce an adaptation and then everyone will claim to be a fan since ever
>>25294862I've read a lot of bad takes on this board, but the one you posted takes the cake for the peak reddit midwit opinion
stop replying to the retard
>>25294893Manchild detected>>25295038Maybe if you stopped pretending sci fi slop is on the level of joyce and proust and shakespeare I wouldn't haunt wolfe threads
>>25294221Bad art. The rockets are black.
>>25295048How do I get my book into this list?
>>25295048>on the level of joyce and proust and shakespeareon the level of casual entertainment? I don't see what the big deal is.
>>25295048Wolfe is unironically much better than Proust and it isn't close. The latter will be forgotten in another fifty years.
>>25295048>stopped pretending sci fi slop is on the level of joyce and proust and shakespeareWhy would I want to pretend it's as lowbrow as Joyce?
>>25295048Whats wrong with blindsight
>>25295339It doesn't appeal to women or brown people.
>>25295048I'll add the rest of those to my reading list. They look cool.
>>25295282>>25295287>>25295288>>25295420Illiterate manchildren who need to go back to /v/ and get the fuck off /lit/ detected>>25295347>manchild thinks that any literature that isn't his surface level sci fi trash is "woke"Just admit that you get filtered by books written before the 1950s.
>>25295490>Blustering baiter is himself baited into a spluttering seething spasm
>>25295499For (You)
>>25291845It's pretty overrated. Feels like the author gave up halfway through the fourth book and let severian fly home instead of walking. Also the autarch is a eunuch lol.
>>25295538The autarch is a woman, retard. You got filtered.
>>25295501I don’t get it, can someone explain?
Grow the fuck up manchildren.
i want to like genre fiction but the fans are all fat smelly weeb virgins and just other flavors of repulsive unfuckables. oh well. back to melville and ovid!
>>25295565he's a retard trying to seem smart
>>25295584>melville>back to the gay sailors novel!lol
>>25295584This is a beautiful example of the female mind and how it works (or doesn't)
>>25295584Black women are nice.
>>25295490they wrote sci-fi before the 1950's.
>>25295685That wasn't genre fiction slop. It was speculative literary fiction.
>>25295589melville may be the only writer ever who can make homoerotic sailing a truly kino experience
>>25294862>backs up his retarded opinion with another retarded opinionThis really isn't the checkmate you think it is.
>>25295048>I wouldn't haunt wolfe threadsYeah, /lgbt/ must be missing you.
>>25295499ikr
>>25295490>people who don't think like me are illiterate
>>25291845Most artist depictions of Baldanders have him as a big fatass with a gut or a redditbeard chungus. Makes me sad. He's lean, mean, fighting machine.
>>25296680I think of him as sort of a subtler Frankenstein crossed with Conan the barbarian and, of course, larger than both.
>>25296805Speaking of Baldanders, I love this part in Claw:What frightened me—and I was frightened, I admit, andwished heartily I had Terminus Est in my hands instead of theiron flambeau—was what I can only call the expression beneaththe lack of expression on his face. It was there like the blackwater we sometimes glimpse moving beneath the ice when theriver freezes. Baldanders had found a terrible joy now in beingas he was; and when I faced him I realized for the first time thathe was not so much feigning madness on the stage as feigningsanity and his dim humility off it. I wondered then how muchhe had influenced the writing of the play, though it may be onlythat Dr. Talos had (as he surely had) understood his patientbetter than I.
>>25295542Severian is a women?
>>25296829Yes he goes mtf and says "trans rights matter" in the post credits scene (Wolfe does a whole "the book is a movie and the characters break the first wall" thing) of Citadel of the Autarch
