>>25292333
honestly after reading a few works by marx i don't think his ideas are reasonably possible in the modern world. especially stage 2 communism, when i read about that i didn't see any way it could ever be implemented without modern society completely collapsing into anarchic chaos and poverty first. but then again it feels kind of like that's happening to a degree now, so who knows.

I'm going to invent a new economic system and political movement to address the concerns of modern life

>>25292520
let me know when you do, i will support you

>>25292518
this is why marxism is for eternal losers, any half intelligent person can play the rules of modern times. these retards just want to shoot heroin and have it be paid by billionaires.

>>25292596
>any half intelligent person can play the rules of modern times.

Except the millions and millions who are born into abject poverty and have no chance of social mobility. Oh wait, they are subhumans according to morons like you.

>How are you supposed to magically seize the means of production if the entire process is opaque and completely obscure to the average worker? How are you supposed to effect le epic revolutionary change without being forced into homelessness because you can't afford rent due to not working
You can't? Marxism only exists on the internet, it's a LARP ideology
Anytime you find yourself in some boring semantic argument (all they can do) just ask them when the revolution is happening

>>25292600
Life is a battlefield. Survival of the fittest. Always has been. Not my fault they lost the race and lack technics and intelligence of white race.

>>25292600
There is no magic political structure that can mold a prosperous and stable society out of poor quality genetic stock

>>25292621
>poor quality genetic stock

Post-hoc weak justification for already existing "magical" political structures. But thanks for proving my point.
>>25292618
What a miserable life philosophy to live by

>>25292705
Only when you're on the losing side, jeet. This is nature. Humans are hunters. Weaklings are pray, protein for the stronger.

>>25292333
>Karl ellaru

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>This is nature. Humans are hunters. Weaklings are pray, protein for the stronger.

>>25292596
>these retards just want to shoot heroin and have it be paid by billionaires.
I know that back in the day communism and socialism meant you either work or face the wall. How did the shift happen to modern leftists thinking they'll be state sponsored artists?

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>this is why marxism is for eternal losers, any half intelligent person can play the rules of modern times. these retards just want to shoot heroin and have it be paid by billionaires

>>25292740
You are a moron. Humans are cooperative as well as competitive. Communism is when the popular masses crush the degenerates that float to the top. The rich will have their lives taken away and raped. It's destiny. The kid fuckers who need wealth and Jews to protect them will be wiped from the earth.

I always had this thought like what are they seizing in modern times for the most part? Servers? The computers? I guess you can convert some office spaces into housing or something

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>>25292768
yup, exactly as I'd imagine you look like.

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>>25292808
your jewish cousin?

>>25292811
no, communism is when people starve on the streets

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>>25292740
You're not sigma bro

>>25292600
>Except the millions and millions who are born into abject poverty and have no chance of social mobility.
That's a skill issue. It's not our fault you suck at life. Just kill yourself if life is too hard. Or just chimp out, like every left-wing retard so we can send you out, okay.

>>25292333
The transition to whatever comes after this will probably be like the transition to capitalism itself - changes in technology and social developments that sneak up on us and suddenly transform everything. I don't think Marx is right that post-capitalism will be any good, though. Everything else so far has been shit why will this be any different?

>>25293190
Because of Hegelian dialectic.

>>25292333
In principle, I like the idea of workers owning the means of production and sublating state and citizens, but what I have always been troubled by is how the state is suppose to "wither away"? I would love for there to be a proletariat revolution, but the prospects look grim. It seems like the average worker just wants convenience

>>25293422
The workers owning the means of a production was such a stupid idea that Lenin abandoned it for taylorism. I'm more troubled by the fact at how historically illiterate the average communist was because they seem to have no clue on how their beliefs work in practice.

>>25293426
>The workers owning the means of a production was such a stupid idea that Lenin abandoned it for taylorism
The problem is really a matter of scaling. Cooperatives can work on a small scale, but large-scale industry would overly complicate a purely democratic workspace. Like I said, the prospects are grim

>>25292333
Might as well just be a comedy

>>25293429
>The problem is really a matter of scaling. Cooperatives can work on a small scale, but large-scale industry would overly complicate a purely democratic workspace.
Nigga, just buy some stocks and stop bitching online geez

>>25293429
This whole framework is wrong because it misses the forest for the trees
Most people just want cheap food, housing and cars
These are things that are very possible to achieve with technology and economic incentives that encourage people to make and build shit

>>25293473
>Most people just want cheap food, housing and cars
Hence the "convenience" I was talking about

>>25293190
I agree. The crux would be China and coops in western countries. If enough people are impressed by China and the coop of Western countries can prove that they are more efficient than private companies, socialism will emerge through not a revolution by some other war that by extension empowered the coops due to their hypothetical superiority efficiency, if they don’t just emerge naturally through shifting social forces without a war.
>>25293473
This is also true. Capitalism is efficient, and has done a lot of good, if socialism proves itself to be more efficient like Marx claims, then it will arise naturally. As for now, the USSR failed because it was inefficient, so it’ll be a while for socialism to be adopted since there really is no belief in the standard bearer of the ideology to make the average person’s life better.

>>25293422
>how the state is suppose to "wither away"?
We've already seen that it never does. The powerful do not give up their privileges voluntarily.
Every revolution just installs a new clique of bosses. Every attempt at communism results in crushing authoritarianism.

>>25293618
>This is also true. Capitalism is efficient, and has done a lot of good, if socialism proves itself to be more efficient like Marx claims, then it will arise naturally. As for now, the USSR failed because it was inefficient, so it’ll be a while for socialism to be adopted since there really is no belief in the standard bearer of the ideology to make the average person’s life better.
efficient at what bruh...

As much as it got me simultaneously fired up and angry about my shitty job, I was left with nothing because there's fuck all the modern individual can do

>>25292596
I make good money, have lots of skills, and I still think that our system is not sustainable. I dream of a better future for everyone.

>>25293912
It has developed the west and now even the global south, improved living standards and made technology that made everyone’s lives better. Wether or not we should discard it now is a different debate, but it has historically done a lot of good.

>>25293988
>Capitalism = technology
Dumb take

>>25292333
I guess read volume 2 and 3.
Das Kapital is not about seizing the means of production with force.
It's about Kapital internals contradictions. Constant Capital that cannot reproduce itself as the contradiction between valorization and devalorization intensifies. You do not need to seize a fortress that is crumbling under it's own weight.

>>25292596
which rule says jewish billionaires are allowed to rape kids on private islands and own every politician?

>>25294292
De Sade

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>How are you supposed to...
You don't. Marxism fails big time.

>>25294012
literally objectively true and real communists even admit this

>>25294354

It's funny to see that even when shilling for their side, every Marxist post is at least 110iq while the anti-marxist shill posts never cross 90iq hillbilliy idiot territory

>>25294547
>Marxoid wearing his midwittery like a badge of honour

>>25292333
>How are you supposed to magically seize the means of production if the entire process is opaque and completely obscure to the average worker?
Nigga YOU are the means of production
>How are you supposed to effect le epic revolutionary change without being forced into homelessness because you can't afford rent due to not working
Violence. Look up the Bolshevik Revolution

>>25294555
>Esl Chudoid doesn't know basic English words like "at least"

>>25293988
Good/bad are value judgments and Marx himself suggested that Capitalism was a necessary stepping stone, but an imperfect system that would fail under its own contradictions.

>>25295095
/thread.