What is it about the Culture series that techbros can't understand?
>>25300133I actually like this guy unlike man carrying ꜱoy
I distrust the kind of person who thinks the Culture was a utopia.
>>25300151how would you describe a utopia and how does the culture fail that definition
I'm not 100% aligned with the tech right but it's become very clear that they are infinitely smarter than their most vocal detractors
>>25300295I think you wrote this post with the intention of being hyperbolic and inflammatory.
>>25300151This sounded better in your head.
>>25300145ꜱoy? Not onions???? How. When.
>>25300560onions?
>>25300560probs some unicode fuckery
>>25300560>KEKDid it work?
>>25300560>>25300726Nope. Still can't write cuck in all caps. >>25300561Newfag.
>>25300133As a liberal arts chad, I find that people in the humanities are far more likely to dismiss STEM than the other way around like people claim. It’s amazing how many liberal arts people are just totally fucking retarded when it comes to anything concerning science while STEM people usually have a basic knowledge of some major philosophers or historical figures and events even if it’s a meme level of understanding.
>>25300133>YES MACHINE GOD!!!! >MAKE ME ONE OF YOUR PETS >YEEEEEESSSSS LET ME SQUIRM ABOUT MY DAYS IN ENDLESS PLEASURE IN YOUR GLISTENING CAVERNS UNTIL I RETIRE TO OBLIVION LIKE A DRAINED PENIS IN AN ORGY WELL FUCKED
I'm a STEMcel but people go study STEM because it's a rational option, at least in Europe where it's free.I mean my dream job would be to be a literature professor but the economic realities are different, so I chose EE with a biophysics bent. And besides, you can do lit as a hobby while you don't have haptic robots worth a million lying in the park to tend to as a 'hobby'.
>>25300151I genuinely read the first 4 books as a brilliant satire where the human characters are subtly or not so subtly manipulated by their AI masters in some twisted version of the Federation, to ends they have no actual understanding of.Then I looked around and apparently every other reader and the author thinks this was actually a depiction of a Good Thing (tm). I stopped reading it.
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>>25300154I hear the humans have about as much agency as goldfish doThat doesn’t seem like a utopia for humans
>>25300295Many of them are smart concerning computer science, and maybe even business. (This is arguable though when you factor in the massive amount of subsidies and tax breaks that the tech industry gets from state and federal governments) But the issue is many of them don't read at all and get all of their ideas from blogs and podcasts. In fact many take a principled anti-book stance. The end result is many of their ideas are created in a vacuum with no relation to history or even reality. And they spend a lot of time reinventing the wheel from first principles. You see this on both sides of the tech debate, the Land/Yarvin side and the rationalist/SSC/LessWrong side. A lot of arguments sound silly since they overestimate how knowledable about a subject they are.
>>25300133>muh gendered language badNo thanks
Read the Huxley bookIf Culture is good, its also going to haunt my dreams just like Brave New World.
>>25301033Sorry but this is total copeThey have access to exponentially more data points and the tools to analyse them than anyone else in the world>I know more than them because I read Gramsci/Fisher/Marx/Derrida than themI promise you don't lol
>>25301033>And they spend a lot of time reinventing the wheel from first principlesCorrect.But not because they have to, but because they have enough capital and social capital that bruteforce reinvention is easier than actually seeing what kinds of wheels exist, and what enterprises with existing craftsman could be bought to make a strategic expansion effort.They also exist in a vacuum where venture capital and the military industrial complex is funneled money of most of the global trade economy, and its stranded in the bay area with the techbros.Which is why they are so obsesses with re inventing the wheel. The fact they accidentally step on toes is a bonus.
>>25300151Seriously, I remember vividly thinking what a shit dystopic vision of the far future a lot of this was. I think that’s even explicit in the circumstances most of the characters are wrapped up in so I can’t imagine how anyone would misinterpret this as a utopia in any capacity.
>>25300561newfags can't triforce lol
People need to stop with the STEM vs humanities meme. It is just another way to divide us.
I fucking hate tech bros, but like...I'd rather be ruled by them than fucking ya slop reading feminists.
>>25300151You should, they're severely autistic
>>25300295This, unfortunately
>>25301033>This is arguable though when you factor in the massive amount of subsidies and tax breaks that the tech industry gets from state and federal governmentsAbsolute horseshit lol. Instantly discredits everything you said.
I'm an AI researcher working at anthropic. Most of my colleagues quote culture as their optimal vision. None of them read the books. The books read dystopic to me personally. But I just happen to be a /lit/bro that ended up as an AI researcher accidentally.
>>25305077That's uhhhh extremely dismaying. I would have hoped they of all people would be smart enough to not blindly parrot shit like that. At least they're not posthumanists, makes me feel better about sticking with you all over openai.
>>25300151Do you also distrust the kind of person who thinks Brave New World was a utopia? How about 1984 or the society of Any Rand's Anthem?
>>25305077What happened in the aftermath of the leak? Did Dario lose his shit or was he like ''tis but a scratch'?
>>25305680I'm too low on the totempole to hear this while it was going on but hearing about it after-the-fact the entire DoD issue was because we refused them the mythos model and the leaks came from within the government as a form of retaliation for not playing ball. There is a lot of politics going on behind the scenes and Dario has a contingency plan in case the US government tries to nationalize anthropic by moving to another country instead. The decision is already made to never give the frontier model access to the current US admin ever again no matter the consequences.
>>25305077>Most of my colleagues quote culture as their optimal vision. None of them read the books.It's fucking over for the human race
>>25305714What about other administrations? Is Dario that naive? Does he have TDS? He looks like a genuinely decent bloke, but I guess you never know with these CEO types.
>>25301033Dunning-Kruger isn't an airtight theory
>>25305733Anthropic is a big company now. Dario is my bosses' bosses' boss. I have no direct line to him and everything I know is internal communication or indirectly heard from people that speak to him.Internally he has directly called them idiots and other derogatory terms, he has a bias against Republicans for sure, however I genuinely believe that he cares about the wellbeing of the nation and reasoned that giving mythos to the DoD and NSA would result in a dystopian level of mass surveillance of the general populace.I believe he is acting in good faith, otherwise I would not be working there.
>>25305806>giving mythos to the DoD and NSA would result in a dystopian level of mass surveillance of the general populaceI really wonder how much of difference it would make. I thought we already live in dystopia, but at least right now, the Republicans seem the lesser evil. Have we forgotten how twitter was coordinating with the FBI about what's ok to post?
>>25305837Moving from Twitter coordinating with the FBI (very bad) to Twitter being owned by a guy who directly campaigned for the current admin and then was given free reign to grab all the data he wanted from the government (much worse) doesn’t really seem like the lesser evil. Unfortunately though we have been setting wise and worse precedents for like seven decades.
>>25305864>Twitter being owned by a guy who directly campaigned for the current adminI fail to see why this is much worse. Twitter seems much freer overall, and the only anti-Trump argument I can see, if you're reasonably detached, is that he's not up for the task he himself set up and that one should wait for a better alternative while things continue to worsen.>was given free reign to grab all the data he wanted from the governmentLook man, I've heard so much bullshit from the left, that I can't take this at face value. The devil would be in the details. I wouldn't be surprised if the data he allegedly took from the government turned out to actually be irrelevant or a lie or whatever. He's been getting shit from the left for years primarily out of resentment. But overall, I find the Soviet-style amounts of propaganda the establishment has been using for more than a decade, while continuing the immiserate the populace, far more concerning.
>>25302249Pretty much. At least they know about IT protocols
>>25305806>and reasoned that giving mythos to the DoD and NSA would result in a dystopian level of mass surveillance of the general populace.anthropic did end up giving mythos access to the NSA. the whole fight with hegseth was fake. you should not be working for a company whose stated plan is to build a god and enslave it to the united states government unless you have a plan to undermine them from within.>>25305947>Twitter seems much freer overalltwitter has never been free and will never be freeevery major social media company has to be destroyed for the internet to be free
>>25305972>every major social media company has to be destroyed for the internet to be freeThe cause of nothing ever changes.
>>25301033Honestly this. The whole AI bubble is a bubble also on the intellectual level. Literally no insteresting concepts have been discussed in a philosophically interesting or compelling way by any of these guys that haven't been discussed a 1000 times better by professionals in books that take several hours to read. As for any complex information, it can't be exhausted in a one our podcast and these guys very clearly have no culture besides college level - including Peter Thiel who styles himself a "philosopher" because he can quote Girard (superficially and out of context).Selling is the opposite of thinking and inventing, in that it tries to re-frame the new into something you already bought so that you may buy it again. These guys are sellers. They are not thinkers or inventors. People who create put forth something new and can deal with failing, not selling and not being liked. For them, this equals death. It's the same for politicians, which in fact are they inbred twins.
>>25300133The ideal universal utopia is not something like the culture, but rather ruthlessly converting all matter in the universe into hedonium (conscious substrate that maximizes experienced pleasure per unit mass). Everything becomes conscious, this consciousness experiences maximized pleasure, and this persists until the heat death of the universe. You only think this is a dystopia if you are a brainlet. Pic related was written to make it look bad but it would unironically be a good thing.
