Wtf did screencapfag really heemed the general? Come on just ignore him retardsPrevious: >>25293823>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
Science fiction? More like soience dicks-in
It’s annoying how Wells keeps referring to the moon as a planet in The First Men on the Moon.
>>25302435science fiction and fantasy might not be for you if you are looking for scientific accuracy
Reading the latest Dungeon Crawler Carl book is eye opening. Writing has gone to shit.
Shut this shit DOWN. We collectively agreed to shelve this general for at LEAST a month.
>>25302435Is it kino? I wanted to read those old type of space book like from the earth to the moon to see what the fuck they thought space was like when we literally had no fucking idea
>>25302448but the moon is not a planet
>>25302455The title alone makes it sound like a shit read, what compelled you to crack it open?
>>25302484there’s a scene early on where the two victorian-era gentlemen get high off of space mushrooms on the surface of the moon and then meet some aliens
>>25302489Based
Alright, time to come clean. How many of you are alienfuckers?
>>25302486Friends like it, and I've never read anything in the LitRPG genre. There are currently 8 books. The first few books weren't that bad. Honestly the major problem is the author started to want to give his writing an intentional theme and symbolism. This was not the case in the earlier books, so it clashes horrendously. Just tonal whiplash when it comes up. There are television hosts going "GLUB, GLUB" to his followers as a show introduction as a critique of both propaganda and capitalism, but then the titular character starts to have a river roaring in his head about all the death and destruction. I'm not saying he is a master of subtext or anything of the sort, but it went from enjoyable interpretation of the text to just... actual text, and he's fumbling it horrendously. Imagine writing a climax where you kill rich politicians, bankers, propagandists etc, etc, etc, and somehow fucking it up. I don't even know how he flubs it most of the time it just comes off as reeking with loser Revenge-of-the-Nerds energy.
put this link in the ophttps://standardebooks.org/subjects/science-fiction
>>25302411SFF SAMPLER OF MEDIA I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED (~100 post line limit)If anyone wants a deeper dive into anything, let me know. 20 SHOWSScience FictionAndorDark MatterOrphan BlackThe ExpanseThe OrvilleFantasyAwakeGame of ThronesHouse of the DragonMisfitsWhat We Do In The ShadowsSpeculative (Dystopia, Alternate History, Post-Apocalyptic, etc)For All MankindLast of UsPluribusSeveranceYears & YearsNon-EnglishÄkta människor (Real Humans)El Ministerio Del Tiempo (The Ministry of Time)Лyчшe, чeм люди (Better Than Us)Transferts (Transfers)3%10 MOVIESCoherenceEdge of TomorrowEverything Everywhere All At OnceEx MachinaLooperPalm SpringsThe Man From EarthThe Man from the FutureThe MartianUpgrade10 ANIMEDarker Than BlackDurarara!!Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone ComplexGintamaJoJo's Bizarre AdventureLegend of the Galactic HeroesOutlaw StarPsycho-PassShinsekai YoriTengen Toppa Gurren Lagann5 ANIME MOVIESChronusHarmonieMaquiaPaprikaSummer Wars10 MANGABerserkBlade of the ImmortalDrifting DragonsFlying WitchFlying WitchFullmetal AlchemistGantzJojo's Bizarre AdventureMade in AbyssOne-Punch Man20 GAMESFANTASYBreath of Fire IIIChrono TriggerFinal Fantasy TacticsFinal Fantasy VILost OdysseyShining Force IISuikoden IITactics OgreTales of VesperiaYs VIII: Lacrimosa of DanaSCIENCE FICTIONBorderlands 2Enslaved: Journey to the WestFallout: New VegasFront Mission 3Horizon: Zero DawnMass Effect 2Star Ocean II: The Second StoryXenoblade Chronicles 3XenogearsZero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
>>25302608um cool i guess but none of these are books
Still wondering if any literary fantasy or sci-fi has been written in the last 5 years
>>25302616No, and thats a great thing books have evolved beyond pretentious fags like youAll the themefags and prosefags should be hanged
>>25302621Then what the fuck do you read for?
>>25302622For fun unlike your pretentious ass
>>25302627You don't sound like you have fun, Anon
>>25302629I do
>>25302627Hm. Why do you describe others interfacing with art differently than yourself pretentious? I believe you're undervaluing your interests and hobby.
I normally don't engage with AI, but I have seen some clear AI images that are able to posses this otherworldly vibe that I feel like so much of our visual media is unwilling to actually tackle. When I read Jack Vance, I see truly strange worlds and places in my mind, but if it were ever adapted for tv or film, it would look like everything else that has ever existed in film or tv done 1000 times before.
>>25302643Curtains unsettle you, pookie bear?
>>25302645Where did I say it unsettled me?
>>25302485In the classical sense of the word, it was considered such for some time.
>>25302643I am a scifi character, and that character is comprised of outlandish adventures in the nature of consciousness and creativity. I have sought the strangest creative mediums to explore.https://pastebin.com/vHKeTau2https://npirl.blogspot.com/2008/11/next-big-thing-in-virtual-worlds-that.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkG6s0IhFxkhttps://vimeo.com/129609470https://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdfhttps://i.imgur.com/gwggJ60.jpeghttps://i.imgur.com/5f8fhr2.pnghttps://ia800708.us.archive.org/28/items/simsane-9.1-vyrith/SiMSANE_9.1_Vyrith.pdf
>>25302411>Wtf did screencapfag really heemed the general? No I just got tired of making the threads all the time and couldnt figure out a new edition
I'm in the mood for a book with a macho, tough-guy protagonist who I can live vicariously through. Any recommendations?
>>25302795Karl Edward Wagner's Kane
>>25302801Great recommendation but unfortunately I've already read it.
>>25302815So read it again.
>>25302643I suspect AI would work for about half of Weird Fiction. Something like House of Leaves, but not The Etched City or the Scar.
>>25302795Richard Morgan's Thin Air
>>25302885Thanks.
How is the Gap Cycle? Is it just Bakker in space?
>>25302474There is zero reason for this general to be up at all times.>>25302616You'll find quality work when you stop consuming only megapopular authors.>>25302795
I'm not really into fantasy about rag tag teams of adventurers travelling around. Can anyone recommend me some books centered around, or at least heavily features, messed up people or families doing messed up things? (something like the Targs and Lannisters of asoiaf and the Feanorians of the Silmarillion)
>>25303095Priest of Bones
>>25303095I think Daughter of the Empire might be what you're looking for.
>>25303008>There is zero reason for this general to be up at all times.Yes there is, whine baby.
I just finished reading pic related and it is literally an isekai story. It's got all the tropes>randomly transported to a different world>MC's upbringing makes him morally superior to most of the natives>has an intrinsic physical advantage over the natives>has a special power that works exclusively in his favour>MC is better at the natives' own technology and society and teaches them to do things "properly">MC gets a slave but it's ok because he treats her nice>slave falls in love with MC, also she's a princess>etc etcI would not be surprised in the slightest if some of the seminal trend-setting isekai authors were directly inspired by it.
>>25302795consider growing up
>>25303394I had the same experience, and I also really disliked it. All the worst parts of old scifi combined with all the irritating parts of isekaiIt's interesting how much of old scifi is effectively just portal fantasy or similar. It's like they didn't know how to write speculative fiction without first grounding it in modern reality first.
>>25303454>>25303394
>>25303501I enjoyed the book thoughever.
>>25303501I'd have enjoyed it way more if Carter had even a single weakness. He's teleported to another planet and instantly learns, masters, then dominates their culture, fucks their women, even tames their dogs and horses. I'm fine with wish fulfillment, but this is the same level as a 6yo playing with an action figure. Every scene, every story arc, has zero tension or stakes because you know the answer will be "Carter solves the problem effortlessly"
>>25303525You're demanding too much from a 1917 pulp.
>>25303619I'm not demanding anything, all I said was that I disliked it and listed my main complaint.
>>25303389No discussion benefits from petulant entities who can only communicate through insults and a need to get the last word in. And these threads are all cyclical.
>>25303631>I'm not demanding anythingThen why complaining?
>>25303095Gormenghast trilogy
>>25303637>No discussion benefits from petulant entities who can only communicate through insults and a need to get the last word in. Thats your problem, not mine. And there are plenty of discussions that benefit from that. See any highschool boy's groupchat.
>>25303733>See any highschool boy's groupchat.You're in a lot of those, I presume?
>>25303691Are you having trouble following this conversation?Someone posted about a book and its isekai qualities. I replied, agreeing, and mentioned that I disliked it. Another person - you? - then replied that I was being a grump or something, so I clarified why I didn't like it.And now we're here. This making any sense to you?
>“No …” the Anasûrimbor replied once again. “Where you fall as fodder, I descend as hunger.”
The 6th actual book i read was Iain.M.Bansks' surface detail at 16 years old. Now 13 years later and at my first revisit it's still absolute gold.
>>25303394You're right. Here's the book cover of the first modern Isekai in Japan: Warrior From Another World (1979).
I've already heard all of this before. But reading it in a different context, expressed slightly differently, its rare that fiction of any medium makes me think about how something can apply to life. Now the mark of true greatness, would be how it actually answers these problems its posed.Also like how these are framed as cultural opinons and not some character or narrator forcing these opinions down my throat to accept. Makes it easier to engage with and question without getting mad.
>>25304234Banks is odd. Most authors I like or loathe, but even stuff like the Algebraist outside of the Culture books is rather solid work. Some of it you can tell he had an idea but no real way to end it - Player of Games ends in a glorified game of 40k in a burning palace amid a worldfire. And even if ultimately stems from a plot to disrupt a system in another galaxy that the machines find distasteful and started by tormenting a human until he was willing to cheat (but they'd still photoshop him cheating even if he said no to the cheat) in a game of space backgammon? It doesn't really land that well emotionally or storywise. But there's always something in there. Ironically I think Player of Games could have done with a heavy metal soundtrack.
Wow just an absolutely brilliant page. Just brilliant. This is a secret aspect of writing that I rarely get to talk about except to myself, so I wont bother to share it deeply, because I don't believe anybody here deserves to understand it as I do. But something I used to look for before I subconsciously lowered my standards, was whether a movie, book, show, or game would emulate and address the same kind of questions that come to mind for me as a product of engaging with that writing. Its a high frustration to find out, that the thing youre writing does not actually care that much about the concepts it is expressing to have asked the questions you've asked, or to address those questions in some meaningful regard. Too often themes are framed as something to tickle the intuition so that your bias may fill in the gaps, or so that the writing may direct you necessarily to one answer. Questions are an exploratory tool. It is a demonstration of an engagement with the range of possible understandings. Its not that directing to one answer is inherently bad, its when the exploratory part of answering something is skipped merely to validate a presupposed conclusion. I'm even regretting my "Questions are exploratory tools". They are far more than that unfortunately. Far more insidious than that.
>>25304535> I don't believe anybody here deserves to understand it as I doThis is one of the many reasons why no one likes you here or anywhere else
kek wtf is a barefoot autist? the term is thrown here like its as foreign as hibakusha
Its very funny how many world building similarities I can find between this and Sun Eater, except it doesnt moralize as strongly. Just presents judgements as mere opinions of a set of persons, who's judgements are often given depth by virtue of where it comes from (prior dialogue expousing an actual chain of thought and principles)I wonder if future sun eater ever explains this, but the biggest biggest problem about tolerating Hadrians naivete, is that its never explained or justified. Why hes the way he is, and thinks the way he does is never elaborated through dialogue or overhead narration, because even future narrator Hadrian is as boring as past Hadrian despite this supposing to be a sort of memoir.Its implied that its because of all his learnings from Gibson, but first of all, isnt Crispin supposed to be taught by Gibson too? And second of all, didnt Gibson literally basically grow up with Hadrians father, and 3rd of all, fundamentally it is BAD writing to imply and let intuition fill in the gaps. That is skirting depth.I might have to talk about this deeper some other day, but novel is a unique mediums where you can give SO much more information and context to a person than can ever be given in real life. To not do that, to me, is to not take advantage of the medium. I hate when characters are imbued with certain characteristics simply because they are. Hadrian barely takes after his enviromental conditions of nobility beyond not knowing that "shaking hands" means greetings socially for plebeians, and beyond speaking in a commanding charismatic way (which is essentially just a superpower, not a personality affect) Why? His attitudes cannot be inherent, these are taught attitudes both ways. My working theory is that the fact that hes shorter than average for nobility gives him a sort of inferiority complex where he sympathizes with different people more or something, but its just silly.And you cant pull any "scholiasts think le peace is epic and nobility isnt superior" because theres like a bunch of examples of scholiasts who think the opposite.
Oh great, fuckwit is back.
So good so interesting. I'm just thankful that even when not talking (directly) about philosophy, the world building can still be interesting and engaging. I was half afraid that even if the philosophy talk would be good, there'd be an aspect of the book I'd have to force myself through, but so far its been a breeze to read, its too refreshing, too good to be true.
>>25304605Please fuck off. Go away.
>>25304535>This is a secret aspect of writing that I rarely get to talk about except to myself, so I wont bother to share it deeply, because I don't believe anybody here deserves to understand it as I dowow, anon
real as fuark...
>>25304632Secret as in special to me, because I don't often have reasons to talk about it. Not secret as if "secret" is some essential objective fact of such a style of writing, or even a relative fact. Its a self contingent "fact".
/sffg/ is dead. A shambling corpse kept alive by ONE obsessive retard worm.
>>25304605I love the term "carked", such a good, gritty term for the process it describes.Glad you're liking the book. The best is yet to come - you're going to absolutely love a certain character that'll be introduced very soon.
Old Father says to Danlo that he should keep a word in mind to deal with the vast amount of possible knowledge that can be learned.My only question is. Doesn't this go against his charge about how human beings sort and categorize truth to fix it, therefore narrowing the ways it can be understood, is that not Shih? Why would he encourage such? To be fair he allows danlo to learn language despite language probably being the chief way things are categorized, and despite him saying that we too often treat the symbol as the reality it represents. So its possible shih is just a tool to keep in mind since Danlo already learned Moksha
^ I want this retard dead.
Oh im stupid he literally explains it in the next set of words kek. Im so used to not expecting books to explain the motivations behind saying certain seemingly contradictory or incoherent things (All of Terra Ignota) That i just rushed myself and asked, so that I could have a satisfying answer that allows me to keep reading, but no the book answered itself. Good book so far.
>>25304648>The best is yet to come - you're going to absolutely love a certain character that'll be introduced very soon.Thats the most exciting part, the book has set a standard already with first impressions that it isnt skin deep, so my expectations is literally that it can only get better from here on.
>Oh im stupidAt least he admits it
If theres any petty criticism I could have for now, its that I dont think the beginning quote of chapter 4 quite ended up making any sense by the end of the chapter. Chapter was the best yet despite that anyway.
About 30% through The Dragonbone Chair. Liking it a lot so far. The worldbuilding is very comfy and I really like how Simon is realistically portrayed as an annoying teenage brat sometimes. After years of having my brain rotted by webnovels I was expecting to bounce hard off this book due to the pacing, but with it's the most engrossed I've been in reading this year. Also got lucky at my local library, managed to pick up the entire series (minus Green Angel Tower pt 2) in paperback used for $4.
I Am Legend is pretty great. The bit where he says he can't ever look outside at night because the female vampires will go to any and all lengths to cocktease him into coming outside and that he can barely fight his lust to do so is hilarious.
Just finished The Way of KingsWhat did I think of it?
>>25304691No it wasnt hilarious you just liked it cause it made you horny
>>25304711One of the books of all time forsure
>>25304656Why aren't you using the filter from the last thread?
>>25304645It is genuine autism. I do not say that to be maliceful but as someone who has worked with autistic patients -- often in-home client visits -- and been exposed to highly-specific intricate stream-of-conscience rambling, both during professional work environments and meeting randoms over the internet.
>>25304691I know most adaptations suck but the I Am Legend still one makes me mad all these years laterThe book ending is sublime. It turns everything on its head, the meaning of the title hits you like a brick, and you even end up understanding why the vamps are doing what they're doing. Movie ending doesn't just miss the point, it turns 360 degrees and shoots itself in the headplus they fucked up the dog scene and made it way less tragic.
>>25304735It didn't. It was funny.
>>25304751I used the filter you guys were pushing and it filtered 17 threads in the catalog but none of the pagespammer posts in the thread.
>>25304762It is, but it's the Chris-chan variant where he's completely incapable of understanding that he's not surrounded by idiots and crazy people, but that it's him that's the problem
>>25304593Do what I do and report him for spamming. It's not like he's actually reading. It just goes into chat gpt. Maybe it'll do something, maybe he's the janny.
>>25304798It never accomplishes anything. I'm fairly certain this board isn't moderated.
>>25304817I see your type on /vg/ too and I just don't get itSomeone is reading a book and posting about it. What the hell is this thread for, this board for, this entire site for if not something like that? What the fuck is the alternative?I imagine the reason the posts stay up is that there is no rule they're breaking. You really want it to be illegal to post *too on-topic* about a subject?
>>25304831Shut up, you piece of shit. You know what you're doing and you know it's just for the purposes of being a fucking annoyance.
>>25304831>There is no rule they're breaking Spamming/flooding
Can you just not talk about him and not reply to him you bunch of retards
>Autistic retard persists in his insanity even though everyone around him has signaled that they hate him and want him to fuck offRead the room, idiot.
>>25304861It is difficult to ignore the elephant when its dick is all up on my forehead.
>>25304674Slit your own throat, scum.
Newfag here, why do we hate that guy?
>>25304897Stick around for fifteen threads or so.
How do I demoralize pagespammer to the point of suicide?
>>25304915Wrong target. Aim higher.
>>25304923NTA but for who?
>>25304923Daily reminder that Bakkerspammer and pagespammer are the same person.
>>25304506Thanks to Banks, I enjoy cheap space operas now.
>>25304593>>25304619Did you miss the screenshot with the filter?
>>25304959Please refer back to >>25304783
>>25304817I'd not be surprised, the jannies tend to be hugbox retards as we saw after the sharty stuff. Still, the horrors persist and so shall I/my autistic devotion to reporting.
>>25305022nta Every time /sffg/ has really gotten the attention of the powers that be their solution had been to simply delete the thread for a while every time it's made. The longest lasted for weeks.
>>25305022>reporting someone for talking about books>on a literature board>in the appropriate genre thread
>>25305057Kys jeet ai spammer
>>25305057Mindless navel-gazing about the contents of every individual page isn't discussing literature, you're essentially just stroking your own faggot ego with your oh so "deep" analytical dives.Most of the shit the idiot posts is the most mundane, sophomoric fart-sniffing bullshit imaginable and contributes absolutely fucking nothing to the thread.Fuck off and die. You're just eating up post space 90% of the time. Kill yourself.
Is The Andromeda Strain worth reading?
>>25305108It's fine but the film is much better. Actually that's true for most of his books.
>Movie is better than the bookI don't believe (You)
>>25302455back to plebbit you faggot
>>25305118Next you're going to tell me that I Am Legend (2007) was better than the book.
