was he right?
>capitalism is crushing us into misery with labor alienation>no no don't look at that, we are organism exist to br miserable, we evolved that way, that is the problem, your parents are evil and you are too, only the people who make everyone miserable are in the right, Hail IsraelNah
>>25305843Haha no what a fucking retard
Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder
>>25305887This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?
>>25305887Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.
>>25305845you think communism will solve the problem of suffering and lack of consent?
Anti-Natalists should kill themselves if they hate life so much instead of whining about it on the internet
>>25305843He's Jewish and very concerned about antisemitism.This tells you enough.
>>25305843His asymmetry thesis is wrong, not only is missing out on suffering good, but missing out on pleasure is bad. Hedonic calculus is all that matters, so if you can manage to feel more pleasure than pain in life, then it is a good thing that you came into existence. Even if you live a life of net suffering at the moment, someday we will have pleasure pods that will stimulate your consciousness into a state of perpetual bliss while keeping you alive until the heat death of the universe, so it still is a good thing you're alive if you can live long enough to reach that future, as the unimaginable quantity of pleasure you will amass will make even the worst current suffering look insignificant by comparison.
>>25305843Yes and someone is guaranteed to go>why don't antinatlists just kill themselves Because they didn't read it and don't understand the fundamental distinction between existing and then going through the act of suicide vs never having been born in the first place.Someone will also ask>why don't antinatlists try to kill all living beingsFor a similar reason. They will think themselves very clever for having made these comments. They won't ever understand antinatalism because they will forever fail to engage with the idea and instead choose to defeat some strawman argument that they'd realize is invalid by just reading the first chapter of the book (implying anyone on this board actually fucking reads)
>>25306063I'm an opiate addict so I feel particularly qualified to tell you this: pleasure alone does not make life worthwhile. Hedonism is an empty and false God.
>>25306069>the fundamental distinction between existing and then going through the act of suicide vs never having been born in the first place.QRD on the argument here? Seems to me that the choice to not kill yourself is 100% based on existence being superior to nonexistence
>>25306078You only say that because you're subject to the hedonic treadmill which afflicts evolved minds. The pleasure of the opiate decreases with each hit, and the pain of not having it between hits increases, leading to net suffering despite the initial heights of pleasure. If the mind can be artificially engineered to remove the treadmill and make every moment of pleasure as fresh and exciting as the first, the unsatisfactoriness embodied in drug addiction would be completely absent. In short: drug addiction and currently possible hedonistic pursuits are unsatisfying because the mind has not been modified yet to make ceaselessly fresh and exciting pleasure that doesn't decrease over time truly possible. A true hedonistic paradise will be more like the Christian conception of perpetually gazing on the Beatific Vision, being forever satisfied in your moment to moment experience, rather than the fleeting highs of doing a bunch of heroin.
>>25306041>suffering and lack of consentI'd say that sounds like your last date but we all know you've never been on one.
