Have you read the Bible? If so, what did you think?
>>25308383No thanks. If I wanted to read lunatic rantings, I'd read Mein Kampf.
read an annotated one cover to cover. pretty different that what I expected. not religious (read it for lit)
Yes. I think it is so perfect that God must've had a hand in its creation.
>>25308420That one is much more reasonable and therefore less interesting.
No. I think it's a masterpiece
>>25308383Is it an enjoyable read? I've been thinking about starting reading again, but it's hard to get back into it.
>>25308383The gospels mog, but there is lots of good stuff in the OT too
>>25308383It’s alright. Ecclesiastes, Ezekiel, and the psalms are kino, though
>>25308383It literally has all the answers you'll need even though I nobody will ever fully understand it. Any pseudo-intellectual who tries to disagree with its philosophy either1. Doesn't like they're responsible for evil2. Doesn't like they don't understand everything (because they have committed evil and thus are ineligible for God's grace on their own)Those people won't walk without knowing the destination. They cannot see a path and simply follow it in the direction they want.
>>25308383I've tried, and am in a continuous state of trying, but its just so mind numbingly boring. I want to care because it is the foundation of so much, and I assumed it would deepen my appreciation of Milton and Dante among others, but I just can't seem enjoy it and I've been trying since I was about 16 (I'm 26 now). As for the content itself it is all just such an overview, everything just gets swept on to the next thing there's no detail there; lineages of silly names that I won't remember and then a few events that are hopped from one to the next in a matter of 10 lines. I saw some brain-dead YT short that talked about this le epic king that was actually Jesus called Melchizedek, and I expected to read the passage and get a Homeric style battle scene and be introduced to this cool hero Melchizedek. But no, two lines. Even in the New Testament its just Jesus walks to a place and then brings someone to life says a platitude and raises someone from the dead and then he's off to another place, there's no sense of detail or real events happening. I was just expecting there to be more to it, but its all just stuff you've heard growing up and going to school, reading, and existing in the West in general. Maybe part of the problem is reading it in English as the prose of the KJV is not interesting to me. It's not the Elizabethan language that I dislike as I adore Spenser and Shakespeare, but it is just so dry, so lifeless, soulless. As for the NIV the dumbed-down language interests me even less so. Maybe once my Attic Greek is good enough (if ever) I'll see how challenging it is to jump over to Koine and give that a go, maybe that is the secret to unlocking its beauty. I don't know.
>>25308763this is worst ign journalist failing the Cuphead tutorial. How do you get filtered this hard
>>25308772I wish I wasn't filtered, I really do.
>>25308383It's an excellent tool to facilitate the transfer of wealth from the credulous to the grifters.
>>25308763Lmao who told you that the Bible was a massive epic poem?
>>25308787No one, I just wish it was.
>>25308773I think your main mistake is expecting it to read like any work of narrative fiction. It's not at all comprehensive, written over a period of thousands of years by multiple authors, and written for completely different audiences with different unspoken and assumed contexts. For example, when "The spirit immediately drove [Jesus] into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days, being tempted by Satan" (Mark 1:12-13 ESV), It does not explain how the "wilderness" is literally a barren desert in the middle east. The original audience of Mark would know this, and would furthermore understand this act to be parallel to Adam and Eve's exile from Eden and also of the Exodus from Egypt.The bible will give you the answers you need, not the details you want. It is a relatively new convention for the Word of God to be written down instead of oral tradition, and even newer for it to be manufactured and accessible to every person in the world. Above all else, it is a history book of how every person who ever existed: rich or poor, aware of God or not, this race or that, man or woman, sick or healthy, young or old, dumb or wise, brave or cowardly, all fall short of God's standard and need Him to be good. It is a testament to humanity's shortcomings, if you will.Be sure to refer to commentary about confusing or vague verses, like with Melchizedek. You cannot possibly understand the bible alone. If you want narrative excitement, there's a million movies and videos illustrating or imagining these events (with varying accuracy). If you haven't already, the best introductory books are Mark, followed by Acts and Romans. From there, you can try reading any of Paul's other letters or touch on Genesis and then Exodus.Whatever the case, the bible should absolutely not be read on your own from cover to cover.
>>25308816Paul's fan fiction is not the best place to start.
>>25308820no it is
>>25308383>the lawMogs>the historiesMog... mostly. Esther is strange.>the prophetsMog>psalterMogs>wisdom textsMog>gospelPEAK>lettersMog>revelationCinema
>>25308763There are some really short books in the Bible, and if you can't selectively read your way through snippets of them then there must be something wrong with you. Don't try to read from Genesis to Revelation all at once, if that's what you were doing, I wish common sense would be enough to disencourage you from that goal.
>>25308383I did not care for it. The general vibe is that you should obey authority, else you're a bad person. I found the Edda to be a lot more entertaining.
>>25308944>i'm a real man and nobody is going to tell me what to docringe
I don't undestand how I'm supposed to pull out a system of religion from it that isn't quintessentially Jewish. Why would the word of god need hermeneutics
>>25308383If you read it as myth and wisdom and fables it's perhaps the best book ever, but if you take it literally you're a fucking retard ape who is easily molded into whatever your kike masters want you to be. There's beauty and wisdom just like there's beauty and wisdom in The Metamorphoses but you don't see me going around calling people evil and murdering them for not praying to Apollo or some shit.
>>25308997It IS Jewish. Christianity is Judaism for the slave class, that's all it is. The only interpretation that is NOT Jewish is Gnosticism but that's a heckin' heresy! (Even though it makes far more sense than the utterly schizophrenic theology of catholicism)
>>25308831>Esther is strangeits about how God hard carried people who dont even talk about Him because He needed them in jerusalem for the Jesus part
>>25309410Did it really require total goyim death though?
>>25308944>>25308997Oh look they did the meme in >>25308761
>>25309037Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees! >Matthew 16:6
>>25309444yeah people always say if the Good Book says it then its good and everything the good guys in the Good Book do something its good. but like [Mal 2] rebukes a decision of ezra recorded in Ezra without comment. so theres a need to be critical with Scripture and ask the questions that dont have immediate answers like what was naaman supposed to do that
>>25308383I'd rather kill myself with a 12 GA than read. This helped out big time:https://www.youtube.com/@GODSABLE/playlistsI'm also on 19/24 lessons on scripture 1 Genesis. You'll have to rewind it youself.https://youtu.be/rb_X7ldVO-g?si=jp3IotpTee92Jw4K
>>25309037The only Christian theology that makes sense to me is pelagianism. The more I thought about the typical Protestant doctrine — man is incapable of following God's law, so he must put his faith in the finished work of Christ and have no trust in his works — the more it sounds absurd. Judaism has always been a small, localized religion, so why would God Almighty condemn the vast majority of humanity for not following the 10 commandments or even having the means to offer valid sacrifices. Paul talks about the law being written in man's heart, but it's not intuitive to take a break in the Shabbat or not consume blood, fat, pork, etc.
>>25309508The covenant given to Noah in genesis 9 is the law written on every human heart. The 10 commandments is something else.
>>25309508so, theres natural law, like marriage, and natural crime, like adultery. then theres ceremonial law, like not working on saturday, which existed for the duration of the Old Covenant. and basically, what God asks is very simple, and you already know it, but He gave you the Bible in case you have questions
>>25308383It made me feel more smug about being a hermetic.The begats alone having made the cut is hilarious. The chapters of Jewish wrangling over dick mutilation. The complete tonal shift between book one and book two.It's total schizobabble
I've read it several times, including two study bibles cover to cover. I think the Bible really has to be the greatest literature in the world. Though there are some good reasons that isn't obvious to first readers, including that it's laconic, even compared to other ancient works. The excitement from reading it comes from holding large pieces of the discursive or narrative conflict in your mind while reading each succeeding passage, so that you discover how each passage contributes to a piece that either heightens or solves that conflict. This requires reading many chapters at a time, even as it is still necessary to slow down and decipher individual passages that are difficult, without losing the big picture. The difficulty makes it more rewarding.
>>25309551winner. I have been reading page by page for a year at this point and this is basically the ultimate relationship you can get out of the Bible. You're basically getting thousands of years of cultural and metaphysical development concentrated into a single tome. If you take it by the author's messages alone then you probably won't get much out of it, but what's more interesting is what they choose to write and why.
>>25308504Nah, that's the Qur'an
>>25308715Try Ezekiel 23:20
>>25308761You don't have a coherent idea of what evil is.
>>25308763Congrats, you've discovered that the emperor has no clothes. Don't believe the idiots telling you to deny your lying eyes.
>>25308816In other words, the text has aged poorly.
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>>2530963840 authors is an underestimate. the johannine comma, ending of Mk, pericope aduterae, also the ending of Rev in many editions is is arguably by erasmus
>>25309640>implying having a singular, easily identifiable series of authors is somehow required to make the text valuable
>>25308984No, it's>I read to be entertained and the bible isn't entertainingPay some fucking attention.
>>2530838310/10 highly recommend
I have read it and it is definitely not for me. Before reading it i was subscribing to the optimistic belief that surely all religions have some truth and wisdom to offer, but the bible changed my view on that. It is an account of jewish grievances and revenge fantasies interspersed with exhortations to believe, or else. Plus some utterly incomprehensible nonsense about not wearing mixed fabrics and the exact blueprints of the tabernacle twenty times in a row. But every once in a while there is some good black comedy, like when Noah, after the flood subsided, started sacrificing his animals in gratitude. I also remember the part when the jews wanted to get the romans to kill jesus, because apparently the jews don't have laws to put a man to death. This just after the first half of the book contained long lists of surreal crimes that justify stoning someone with stones. It is also interesting to observe jesus' description of what his church and worship should be like, and to see the catholic church do the exact polar opposite on every single point.But, comedy aside, it just isn't a any kind of feasible fount of spiritual wisdom. The whole notion that we are born in some kind of moral debt is completely alien to me, and everything about the christian cosmology feels incredibly contrived. It doesn't feel like a revelation but an obfuscation. There is no part of it that i can intuitively recognize as truth. For example, take animism. The idea that every object, every phenomenon has a spirit of its own. Every human being on earth intuitively knows this to be true, that's why people resort to pleas and threats when their car doesn't start. Christianity is the opposite of that. It has neither the everyday truth of animism, and all of its grand cosmic ideas of one god are hidden behind this impotent middle ground of one dead jew in one distant point in time.Now, i am aware that billions of people throughout history disagree with this assessment, but i suspect most of them do so for historical and not spiritual reasons, and as for the rest, well, i'm afraid they're simply gay faggots.
>>25309710Protestants, I love many of you, but you need to stop and think why demoniacs like this fellow take your side.
>>25309593I do
>>25309601Compared to what exactly
>>25309710>tldr; It doesn't fit MY style of idolatryyou can't make this shit up
>>25308816>Whatever the case, the bible should absolutely not be read on your own from cover to cover.Whoops
