Gonna order some books soon is this worth it?
>schlock vellum>nepo lawton>worth reading
>>25308547Define please
>Max Daniella LawtonThe dude is a social outcast among translators. I'm honestly surprised he gets published considering how awful his work is...he doesn't even have passing knowledge of 6 out of the 7 languages he translates from...
>>25308678Is that so? I know german but not the extent to read literature in it, so I might compare them to see how he's done.
>>25308718Lentz also knows English, so who knows how much he helped Max. Max also admitted to getting outside translators to help with other languages, especially at his publisher’s request
>>25308678Explain this, anon
>>25308743>ai slop as the jury statement Kek
>>25308744L*wton is annoying af but that’s a prestigious prize. Do research retard
>>25308750ESL? What was said, if you were literate enough to parse a simple sentence, is that the jury sentence was written by AI. Is this still too complex for you, saar?
>>25308756Prove it's AI retarded faggot
You know that clickbait article from a while ago about brodernism was kind of right, except the problem isn’t the incipient fascism of these long books or whatever, it’s this class of lame male literary person constantly chasing the dragon of “anybody GAF about [insert flop Pynchon/Joyce/Beckett clone translated from a minor language] again the way they did in the good old 20th century.” I know these guys, worked with them, one of them is at Dalkey right now and he’s a fucktard. High crossover with r/indieheads category of humans. Anyway never going to read this piece of shit
>>25308778Who did you work with? Tell us more!
>>25308778Are you talking about that chubby numale loser with a PhD that exclusively does Dalkey’s social media?
>>25308545I think you guys should chill on Lawton. It has gone too far and been too long. DCW is terrified by the way. He knows all the lit.salon guys including him have been doxed. It is funny to think of trying to destroy someone’s career and reputation with no consequences.
>>25308756You just can't lose can you?
>>25308792>DCWLiterally who?
>>25308797The Nazi who wrote the substack about Lawton
does someone read no longer human by osamu dazai and what is your opinion about it.
>>25308800Why should anyone ever give a fuck about a substack article
and if someone have reccomend i I like no longer human
>>25308819what
Lemak Biti here. bruh lawton is a hack i destroyed him dawg like youll never believe me and im only like 22 i will rule the world when i grow up
>>25308819Agreed. Slopstack is for retards. Absolutely hilarious that people took a glorified blog/newsletter platform seriously, especially Max.
>>25308797a little Arab
>>25308545I swear to god the entire thread is about some drama about the translator and not one cunt has actually read the book enough to say if it's worth reading.
>>25308836How can he be a nazi if he's a POC? Arabs are not white.
>>25308797David Croster Wallace
I cant sleep thinking that Lawton is getting all the awards while Im doomed to proofread dildo user manuals for the rest of my life. Life aint fair for Jesse the neckbeard.
>>25308894Should have been born to a mom with connections at NYRB, bud
>>25308545CANONEFUCKINGPERSONIN THISTHREADSTATEIFTHEBOOKISGOODORBAD.thanks! :^)
>>25308899Try preddit little guy, they loved it
>Schattenfroh is structured as a transcript of the thoughts of Nobody, a man confined to a dark room by an organization called the Frightbearing Society. He is made to view a stream of images via a mask on his head, controlled by Schattenfroh, a demonic representative of the Frightbearing Society. Throughout the novel, Nobody travels through various points in German history.Let me guess - it's about nazism? Again?
>>25308720Okay, that's good, thanks
>>25308917Menz and Day hated it
>>25308898lol aren’t you guys supposed to love Nietzsche and shit? Nothing but seething on these threads
>>25308899It is pure kino
>>25308934Stating a fact is seething?
>>25308720You guys are such cowards. You always twist the story. Lawton said he chooses to work with editors. He never said his publishers made him. Seethe-master spin doctors over here
>>25308948>he chooses to work with editors who are actually fluent in the language and can read it without using LingQ and who edit his entire “translation” and do the bulk of the work for himIs this really the gotcha you thought it was, mr predditor?
>>25308841Yeah, at least one guy said that Lawton probably did a good job at translating
>>25308960Cope and seethe, sugar. Your Nazi harassment campaign failed, your identities are all known because you were too hubristic, and the harvest will be reaped
I hate Lawton, but /lit/ trying to pretend he's a lolcow like Waldun is ridiculous: Lawton got a PhD, Waldun failed to get it. Lawton has already won 2 awards, Waldun - zilch. Lawton’s novel has been accepted by a legit publisher, Waldun self-published his slop and got destroyed by the Welsh Muslim dude.
>>25308968>harvest will be reapedYour effeminate wrists can’t even hold a hoe, how are you going to reap anything?
I've never heard of neither Lawton nor DCF nor fucking i don't know what just tell me if the book is Alan Moore Jerusalem-like slop or more in line with Gass and Bolano?
>>25308970Hi, Max. Did your buttbuddy Andrei alert you to this thread
>>25308968Dcw here. I don't make these threads or post in them, dulla. Talked with Lawton and we're cool. The whole drama thing is over. Let bygones be bygones
>>25308993Hi, Robin. How's your PhD doing?
>>25309000Hi, Max
>muh gay drama about a translatorwho gives a fuck?!!! you faggots need to get over yourselves. No one has talked about this book yet, it's just shitflinging. God I hate this board, you retards should be ashamed.
>>25308985Bolano is slop compared to Gass
>>25309000Ktir t2akhkharit ya Malek, ktir
>>25309027Gass is a pseud who is only capable of impressing redditors. Gass is just a glorified Danielewski — just fatter
>>25309045This. He did copious alliteration in every fucking sentence to the point where it was not only annoying but self-parodying and he was considered "the foremost prose stylist in america?" Fuck off. Also his whole thesis was "Nazis... are bad!" Wow, man, what an original mind, what will he think of next? Oh wait...
I have it. Bailed after like 50 pages. I’ll trade it for something if anyone wants it
>>25309000I would talk to Neil / Nathan and tell him to stop poking at the hornet nest. He is going to get you in big trouble, DCW. What is his fixation?
>hornets nest>big troubleYeah you better watch out, mister, or you’ll be put in time out if you don’t stop this right this instant!
>>25309120nah im good
>>25308797I knew him in Adma. Used to be a bright kid if a bit overweight. Who would have thought he would become a reddit reply guy and a discord czar lying about his age?
Any fans? My favorite band.
>>25308750His banker daddy bankrolled the jury
>>25308743I'm so tired of having to see this minnow's face. No-one outside of this small section of a fringe image board even knows who he is. I mean that sincerely. Yet, for whatever reason, every anon here has to be subjected to his visage at least once a month. I do not care about Max or what he is doing. I will never care. No-one here cares about Max. Most don't even care enough to learn if the rumours about him being a bad translator are true.>oOooOOOH I like Celine... isn't that naughty of me? nah >oooOOOoooh I went to an Ivy League schoolso did plenty of people here>oooOOOoOOh my parents are well off and well connected within NY circlesit showsI know he isn't really of the same ilk as the dimes square crowd, but his situation is obviously similar. I am sick of having to hear about supposedly "fringe" figures who were clearly astroturfed from the outset. The whole point of embracing the fringe was to avoid silver-spooned clout chasers like this.
Max Lawton is a sick, anti-semitic, Nazi-loving fascist. He owns all of Céline's pamphlets. Ask yourself anons, why would someone proudly own and read Céline's pamphlets if they aren't a sick, anti-semitic, Nazi-loving fascist. I would love to see Maxine Daniella Lawton address this.
>>25308934Elites used to be objectively better FACT
Has anybody real said anything to recommend Schattenfroh? Like not some faggot whose livelihood and ego depend on this kind of literature being useful to talk about within a scene where you can say you picked up on the subtext about fascism being bad. I’m starting to feel like a girl the way I distrust these “high bro-dernists”
>>25310010There is something genuinely off with the character, and every thread they open about him I cannot shake the feeling that he immediately comes in here to post. He knows other translators have a poor opinion of what he does, and he knows there's something about the money question that will keep following him around regardless of what he does. I also think it's generally healthier for this board to go against the kind of readership he represents right now - much more than it is to attack people like Waldun or the usual /lit/ lolcows, most of whom were never fun.
>>25310182I intentionally try to learn as little as I can about him because I can sense there's something artificial about the whole enterprise. I'm sick to death of seeing myself subconsciously track information on people, who, for the most part, are probably bad faith actors in one form or another. The sooner intelligent people learn to just not look, the better. The problem with deception is that it leaves you with only a soft form of power, and soft power requires the other party to participate willingly in order to exist. That recent debacle over an AI generated poem winning a prestigious literary award only strengthens my suspicions. I am genuinely starting to think that every "talented" person we're permitted (or forced) to notice is in fact an unqualified appointee. I don't think anyone is getting through the filter at this point unless a nepotist wills it.
Max Lawton here. You're all a bunch of miserable, basement-dwelling, gooning faggots. Stop making threads about me.
>>25310285Where's the rebuttal though? Surely it should be simple if anons are all such losers.
>>25310285>Max Lawton here. You're all a bunch of miserable, basement-dwelling, gooning faggots. Stop making threads about me.
>>25310617Every notable person in Jew York, Los Angeles, or Washington is a trust fund nigger.Remember that the next time you're impressed by something they do. They put the cart before the horse: because of nepotism, it was always a foregone conclusion that they were going to do SOMETHING because they can make something terrible and have it promoted through their (dad's) connections or their own connections which they only have because of a lifetime of dadmoney paying for them to live in hip areas and go to hip parties and attend hip schools without having to worry about real life, or by simply using dadmoney to pay for social media signal boosting and knowing people who know how to manipulate the strings of the relevant scene/industry. Then, once they get something "recognized" (they also have enough dadmoney to keep pathetically throwing shit at the wall until it sticks, which often takes them years even despite all the dadmoney greasing the wheels), they are an established name in whatever scene/industry it is, and now all future projects have immediate credibility.98% of people who get published or have their art shown somewhere are doing something any random aspiring writer or art major could do, but skipping the crucial first step of "actually getting organically noticed," which is 98% of the difficulty of going from aspiring writer/artist to writer/artist. The remaining 2% is just continuing to churn shit out, that's the easy part because now when you go to a publisher or gallery you already have a portfolio and they will shrug and say "I presume this is fine, sure, we'll publish you."Layer this on itself for a few years and you have a portfolio. This is the backstory of nearly all major writers and artists in the last century. New York Jews originally used the technique for themselves, in the early century, but then it caught on generally and is now the only way to do anything in America. American culture is made entirely out of nepotism networks.Date a rich Jewish girl from New York some time, if you randomly mention you have an invention for an automatic ass-scratcher she'll tell you she can introduce you to another Jew she knows through another Jew who could finance it, and you can bypass the usual channels that normalplebs have to go through to get a meeting with him because she'll just get you an informal in person one. Jews live and breathe this kind of behavior so much they don't even notice they do it, so they are kind of being honest when you criticize them for it and they go "What? I'm not doing anything everybody else doesn't do." They really mean it, they are serious.
>>25310620It's really just the fact that all of his favourite books just so happen to be modernist/postmodern doorstoppers, many of them being either ones he's edited/translated or his nepotistic buddies have publishedAre you telling me there's not a since victorian novel that max enjoys? that he doesn't enjoy any work of 18th century literature enough to put it in his top 10? that his greatest books of all time just so happen to be the ones in his social circle that are approved of most?For somebody who once posted on twitter that you can only appreciate modernism by reading the books that came before modernism it's clear that lawton doesn't read much pre 20th century literature or that he does but he's ashamed of the shit he actually likesEither way it's pretty disingenuous behaviour
I recently bought Wo warst du Adam? But im also looking for german book recs. Preferably from the late 40s and 50s
>>25310622Victorian novels are pretty dreadful apart from Carlyle.
>>25310634>the entirety of the 19th century is victorianwhy are ESLs like thisThere's close to 40 years of the 19th century before victoria came around buddy
>>25310637>Sartor Resartus released 3 years before Victoria came into powerMy bad, should've checked. But he did write during her reign, On Heroes, Hero-Worship, & the Heroic in History is from 1840/41.
>>25308970Waldun was never a real lolcow. He was an 18-19 year old Chinese twink with a shallow-but-popular booktube channel and delusions of authorial grandeur when /lit/ discovered him. The Learned Disguise was a hilarious book, but aside from that he has the exact same personality as every other "literary" booktuber. His second book turned out to be boringly mediocre, and after that I think we all collectively stopped caring about him (sans a few schizos).Lawton is lolcow material exactly because he has such a unique platform. No one here gives a shit about Damion Searls or any of the countless NYRB translators because 1. they aren't being hailed as Translator Jesus, and 2. they aren't intentionally seeking out experimental doorstoppers just to be the one who translated them first. Waldun is annoying, but he was shamed out of his Joycean aspirations pretty quickly after TLD; Lawton, meanwhile, doesn't even see the problem with his position, he thinks this enmity is all jealousy. If a lack of shame is the #1 qualifier for being a lolcow, then he is it.
>>25310755someone successful cant be a lolcow anon
>>25310201This is a legit take, I'll try to follow your advice.
>>25310622there are also very few women, medieval stuff, no greeks and latins etc.
>>25310755>they aren't intentionally seeking out experimental doorstoppers just to be the one who translated them firstSo much this. The guy doesn't seem to have a normal translation record at all. Most translators get one of those novel every 10/15 shit books they translate - if they are lucky.
>>25310201>I am genuinely starting to think that every "talented" person we're permitted (or forced) to notice is in fact an unqualified appointee.Terrence Tao?
>>25310776The bsnes guy made arguably the best emulator ever and KF lolcow'd him so much he hanged himself.
>>25310755Pretty good analysis of Lawton. He's a laughing stock because he tries to take precedence over the actual authors. I.e, you're no reading Schattenfroh by Michael Lentz, you're reading Schattenfroh translated by Max Lawton. This Napoleon syndrom translator even makes his name bigger than the name of the original author on all his translations. Max Lawton is full of himself. His name shouldn't be anywhere on the cover of the book. It should only be found on the title page in small font, a font that is smaller than the author's name.
>>25310776Because you can milk lols out of him. But the question you raise is interesting: in this day and age, there is raising backlash against successful "influencer" types who are out of touch with how dystopic everyday life struggles have become for normal people. Lawton embodies exactly that. People can feel that translating 1/2 doorsteppers per year in different languages while being barely paid is the kind of thing you'd do with a trust fund and good connections, rather than actual skill. This would be less of a problem if it wasn't for the obsessive social media presence and general loudness of the character... There is a class element in the criticism here. It was also there with Waldun, of course, but it's more present with Max. The point is: when you don't have to fend off against the financial hell that is everyday life, the only skin you have in the game is your reputation. And in the current tribalist social media environment, where everyone knows everyone else and looks at them constantly, this kind of backlash at you feeling "fake" is part of the being out there. Inhabiting your own clout is like living in a parallel dimension. People in real life will have negative opinions of you nonetheless, if something smells fishy, as in this case.
>>25308929You mean the Columbia Law School student crashing out on reddit and the loser neckbeard proofreader?
>>25308778Hi, Federico. How is the weather in Buenos Aires?
>>25308899It's shite. Utter gibberish gobbledygook. Borderline unreadable. If you're going to set out to read "hard" books, pick ones worth reading. Chaucer, Shakespeare, Joyce, Faulkner, and so on. Then at least you'll get educated in the process.
Hey chuds, been missing me? Just wanted to tell you that the bear bite on my ass has healed and am ready to rock!
>>25313829go back to Alaska fat loser
>>25311615Hi. Actually quite nice. I'm happy that the majority of gringos on this site have mended their ways and started reading exclusively slim novels by women instead of the brodernist doorstoppers. Good boys!
>>25311470Max here. You can milk my dick into your mouth.
