>Be gay as fuck>Write a book about how you are gay as fuck and had to hide it all your life>Receive critical acclaim at the highest level>Be a celebrity in the public eye at the time>Help shape the modern Japanese language>Japanese Shakespeare>Get mad Japan lost the war>Create a massive right-wing militia even though you made a book all about how fucking gay you are>Japanese Hitler>Try to take over a fucking military base with your militia>Fail>Kill yourself in a poetic fashion>Become legendIs this guy real? Did this really fucking happen?Why did I never hear of this fucking guy until I found him while looking for Yuki from fucking SubaHibi?Is this post a very common reaction to hearing about him for the first time? Are his books really that good?
>>25308693>Are his books really that good?Extremely good, though to really get his worldview and why he did the things he did you must go for his two gayest novels and most chuds stay away from those for obvious reasons
He wasn't gay and SubaHibi is shit. Read Ever17 instead of all this gay shit
>>25308693You have several facts wrong.
>>25308765Which ones? I almost got swayed by OP.
It's hilarious how rightards cover for him and claim he wasn't gay every single time. Literally anybody else, had he written that book, would be branded 100% gay. But this guy somehow totally wasn't lmao
legend? he's an insecure faggot cowardjust like modern manosphere chud grifters all of them are deeply insecure hollow mongoloids with worse body dysmorphia levels than the people they claim to hate
jesus does lit read any other jap writer for fucks sake
>>25308693Yes his books are that good. You should check out the film Mishima: A Life In Four Chapters also. >>25308857But that's why he's so cool. Fragile masculinity is endlessly fascinating.
>>25308728Ever17 is great, but Mishima was 100000% gay anon.
>>25308693There's a lot of mistakes in there OP.As a big Mishima head i'll give you a short version. Mishima was a man full of contradictions. Because of this he is often turned into a caricature. In left wing spaces, he is a fascist, possibly a gay self hating fascist, that tried to coup the government and killed himself over the shame of failing pathetically.To the right he is this trad, masculine, right wing figure that we, as men, should all look up to.But as I said, contradictions. Mishima built his body, married and had kids. He was also an attentive father. At the same time he was either gay or bisexual leaning more towards men, had affairs while married and, as you pointed out, got big by writing an autobiographical work about a man hiding his attraction to other men behind masks.He was obsessed with death and the idea of a heroic one, yet he probably lied to the army doctor so he could avoid going to war which is something he claimed he wanted to do.Even at the time he held political views that were more further right, yet he also knew that his coup was gonna fail and that the point wasn't to actually succeed.I'll give you my take on him. I think above all he had a fascination with death. So much of his work features characters that die or self destruct by pursuing their ideals. I think he spent a lot of his adult life creating this identity that was the opposite of who he was as a kid to he could die. He has writings where he talks about how one must be fit to commit ritualistic suicide because imagine how silly it would be for the blade to cut through a shameful flabby belly. He wasn't a sad suicidal. I think he viewed death as a beautiful thing. I think it would be fair to say that when he adopted the pen name Yukio Mishima, he began to live his life as tho a character in a play. Life as performance art."Perfect purity is possible if you turn your life into a line of poetry written with a splash of blood."
>He wasn't gay
>>25308927I meant to say biographical fiction
>>25308878your spacing belongs in gulags and death camps
>We have Klossowki and Baudelaire at home
he has interesting lore, that's 90 percent of his appeal. people think reading him will make them le chad in the same way retards think shoving eggs up their ass will make them into chickens.
>>25308693>Be gay as fuck>Write a book about how you are gay as fuck and had to hide it all your lifeThere isn't a single testimony of Mishima ever having sex or wanting to have sex with a man. His "male lovers", as a matter of fact, deny it and say they would get tired of him quickly because he wasn't interested in fucking them, but wanted them to larp with him as samurai. That famous japanese tranny that was close friends with Mishima also says she didn't think he was gay. He's what happens when you're so straight you start thinking having sex with women is gay.
>>25308728>He wasn't gay
>>25308927>He was obsessed with death and the idea of a heroic oneThe second part is not quite true. I'm pretty sure it's in that same section of Mas, where he lies to the doctor, that he clarifies that he doesn't wish for an heroic death, but, more or less, the opposite.
>>25308927>>25308857He lied to the doctor and then later had regretted that all his friends died in the war, which is a source of inspiration for his writings. Goddamn you niggers really don't read books at all. Why are xtards and whitoids so obsessed with him being gay? I remember talking to a Jap about his work and some random white fat-ass (probably American according to his accent) just chimed in and said "Oh and he was gay too!" Only thing you got right was his view of death as a beautiful thing, but you're missing out that he also saw the beauty of (you) in action regardless of the result - 行動の美学, which he talked about extensively in 葉隠入門 and other essays in published newspapers. At the very least, one(should) try to do something right according to your ideals.
>>25308795First, he wasn't a fag so much as he was obsessed with masculinity. He was taken away from his parents by his grandmother who sometimes forced him to wear female clothing and treated him like a doll. Second, he wasn't simply mad that Japan lost the war; he reacting to the fact traditional Japan had finally been completely undone by the American occupation and forced liberalization. If you read Japanese lit starting in the late Meiji you'll notice the lost of Japanese tradition in the face of a rising Western cultural hegemony is a pretty common theme (e.g. there's a thread up about Naomi right now). Third, the militia he formed wasn't huge but his literary celebrity helped it attain a level of influence countless other groups just like it didn't. Also, during most of this period his celebrity was extremely diminished (think of cultural suppression like we were seeing under peak woke only sustained for a far longer period by way of a military occupation) and he wasn't a mainstream figure in Japan any longer. Fourth, it's unlikely he expected to actually take over the base. He saw what he was doing as a grand symbolic gesture that could potentially resonant above the clatter in favor of tradition. Fifth, he didn't fail as far as that was concerned. We're still talking about him, what his actions meant, and how it's related to his writing (even outside Japan). Sixth, his seppuku was kind of badass and serves as a giant exclamation point as far as his life and work are concerned so I'm not going to say it wasn't poetic. Seventh, he's still a very controversial figure in Japan but as their boomers die off, the ones who were taught that tradition caused the war and should thereby not only be outgrown but rooted out, I'm sure aspects of his complexity as a person/artist that have been boiled down will come back to the fore.
>retarded thread>OP outs himself as a tak tak tak faggot for no reason
>>25308693>Why did I never hear of this fucking guy I don't know. His books are popular worldwide and he's been translated to God knows how many languages.
One of the most interesting and aligned artists to ever live>>25308857Literacy is wasted on vermin like you
>>25308857>posting wikipediaLol>posting wikipedia about a right-wing figureLol!>trusting wikipedia LOL>trusting wikipedia about a right-wing figureLOL!
>>25308725ive read confessions of a mask, what's his other gayest novel
>did you know this ARTIST was GAY and INSECUREperformative leftist homophobia is tiring
Kek
>>25309325>tak tak takWhat the fuck is thisI saw a picture where Yukio was shown as Yuki for the fucking stupid ass /lit/ pes team>>25308728>>25308884If two cucks like you can get along over it then I'll read it Anyone heard of 一緒に 行きましょう・生きましょう・逝きましょう ? I don't remember where I heard of it but thats been next on the list for a while
>>25308927>shameful flabby bellyLol
>>25309420Forbidden Colours
>>25309420Forbidden colors
>>25308876Soseki is a boring academic you have to be on some really advanced weebfaggotry to enjoy, let alone to getDazai enjoys alternating degrees of popularity but it is not surprising that a board that overwhelmingly likes mishima would dislike him since they are basically oppositesMurakami is just a lolcow
>>25309530Idk whether that's in character for yuuko (sounds more like mio honestly) but it makes me chuckle
>>25308728>he wasn't gayhe clearly was and literally every single biographer says so.
Mishima was an aestheticist, whether he was gay or not isn't particularly important.
>>25309389this
>>25308927>Life as performance art.Truly something only a profoundly homosexual man could come up with. What a queen.
>>25309192can't blame him, big white cock is the best thing on earth
Why are mishimafags on this board so quick to deny his faggotry? It's common knowledge that the man was at the very least a half-fag. Just read any of his biographies. His work is still astonishing regardless of Mishima's personal faggotry
>>25310407They share his insecurities. I don't treat anything Jappies say or do seriously
>>25308693He's one of those people who claim to have memory of his own birth
Atheist absurdist loser.
>>25310445based
>>25310407melvillefags like to do this with melville too, for some reason
>>25308935you do realize that in japan, everybody bathes together right?
murakami is a symbol of homosocialism/eroticism and trans-masculinity. it does not make him gay but it does make him a tranny. my favorite passages in confessions of a mask are where kochan is drooling over omi’s pits, but also this—“The principle of selection came into operation, and I completed a systematic structure of likes an dislikes: Because of him I cannot love an intellectual person. Because of him I am not attracted to a person with glasses. Because of him I began to love strength, an impression of overflowing blood, ignorance, rough gestures careless speech, and the savage melancholy inherent in flesh not tainted in any way with intellect. . . .” because that’s what nationalism needs
>>25310577with smiles that flamboyant? lol. do a better job hiding your fag boner next time
What are some of his book that are not "depraved", if any, I think I read a summary about "The Sailor Who Fell from Grace with the Sea" and it kinda spooked me.I'm not in a good mental state for such things at the moment.
>>25309261Thanks for the effort and the nuanced response anon. Was a very good read for a japanese illiterate like myself.
>>25309261What is this "tradition", even the Meiji restoration was a kind of modernization and liberalization so what traditional roots and cultural norms does he think Japan should go back to or re-integrate.
>>25310628i remember going on a japanese schooltrip to camp and it was just like this. the only difference is the teacher did not get into the hot tub with us
>>25310721...Did you want him to?
>>25310906we all went to sleep together on tatami in one room with a bunch of boys and i remember holding the hand of a really cute japanese boy in the dark. it's funny i only remember him by his last name, big river. i remmeber it because it was big river and not small river. both sound similar but one is a longer "o" sound.
does anyone know where to read his stuff for free or get the books for cheap? used copies of Sun and Steel are $25 used on both amazon and thriftbooks it's kinda bullshit.
>>25308927>yet he also knew that his coup was gonna fail and that the point wasn't to actually succeed.I always thought he attempted the coup just to have an excuse to commit seppuku. I don't remember where I got that idea from lol but I never imagined he failed and took the easy way out. Quite the opposite. I think it's very reasonable to believe he was gay too. At least in a way distinct from modern homosexuality. He was greek gay, a lover of androgeny.Now hear me out. I hate to be Freudtard but the extreme fetishization of militarism seems very gay to me. Militarism puts one in subjugation to powerful, uniformed, leather-clad masculine figures with total control over one's bodily autonomy. Leather boots and military uniform are a common motif among gays. I remember reading that one little story of his of a military husband and wife committing sepukku before their house is bombed in WW2 and thinking the whole time "this is so gay". I was never able to put my finger on why until /tv/ anons speculating on Simu Liu's sexuality dug up a few videos of him playing out a home invasion that results in a knife fight and a fatal stab. The video is obviously softcore pornography, with the main guy admiring his muscular body in the bathroom mirror, and following the fight, lying down writhing in pain and flexing his abdomens for 15 minutes straight which were penetrated by a cold hard blade. Now I don't know if it's one of those open secrets in the gay community but I never saw anyone talking about this so it might be a very obscure fetish. That shone a light on the Mishima situation for me and I understood his military and seppuku obsession to be intimately tied to his sexuality. Again I hate to be Freudtard and I'm not saying all right wingers are gay. Mishima certainly wasn't anything close to what we call gay now.
>>25308693My favorite part is how he would come when he died in his fake seppeku rituals.
>>25311075https://annas-archive.pk/search?q=Mishima+YukioHow have you not heard of annas archive yet
>>25311075>>25311259Use a vpn if it gives you a gateway error
>>25311075>hasn't heard of Anna's ArchiveDid school just get out for the summer or something? open-slum.org is worth bookmarking
>>25309614>lolcowEveryone who uses this term is a deeply depressed cynic who doesn't laugh out loud anymore. Maybe they milked sonichu too much.
>>25309200>>25309214Him lying to the doctor has never been confirmed. Hes he says it in Confessions but that book is also part fictional and at times it's hard to separate the fictional from the truthful.It is also possible, like his brother has talked about, that the doctor just failed him. Maybe even took pity on him. Mishima was a pretty small, pale, skinny child that was often sick. He almost died once as a kid. He only really started to build his body at 30 or 31. Its not hard to imagine a doctor failing or feeling bad by the idea of sending a small frail twerp to the front lines. I think the idea of him lying makes him an even more interesting person but we'll never truly know what happened on that day.>the beauty of you in actionYou're right but I'm not gonna sit here and explain every thing Mishima wrote especially his essays where he dives more into his philosophy and politics. Especially to someone that just wants an overview.
>>25308876I like Soseki and Tanizaki but I don't bother discussing authors I enjoy on /lit/
>>25308693>Why did I never hear of this fucking guy until I found him while looking for Yuki from fucking SubaHibi?Because you're young and you don't read enough.>Is this post a very common reaction to hearing about him for the first time? Are his books really that good?Yes and yes.
>>25311467Is there even any decent place to discuss literature online?
>>25311488The medium is the message, so no.
>>25310319D'annunzio came up with that first and while zesty he was an absolute manwhore
>>25310720Worship of the emperor and kamikaze
>>25311540The man, the legend.
>>25311151>I don't remember where I got that idea fromThere is a famous anecdote about a disciple of his disciple asking him when was going to kill himself and he gave him the date of his coup or something
truly one of the best nutjobs ever
>>25311558I don't know. Might've always been controversial but the popular discourse, the one OP got, goes with the surface level. When samurai wanted to die they used to put themselves in situations worthy of seppuku and he wasn't dumb enough to think one speech would convince the entire army so I'm pretty sure he planned.>>25311151>>25311176oh yeah I also forgot the extensive seppuku simulations.
He was gay in the same way as Morrissey. I imagine they both also shared similar views on the Chinese.
>>25311259>>25311281I could've sworn there were threads months ago about this site being shut down but I guess I was wrong, thanks.
>>25308935You are gay if you wouldn't hop into the tub
>>25311555hot
>>25308693Sea of Fertility is peak and underrated
>>25311874its everything but underrated lmao
>>25311736that's why I suggested open-slum.org. it monitors uptime for different shadow library domains. feds will slap down one AA domain but the other three will stay up, etc
