>Uhh, did you just enjoy a piece of jazz music? Yikes, that's a heckin fascism, my duderinoUnironically, what was his problem?
>>25310331Honestly, his own compositions are pretty good. Also, what the fuck is negative dialectics?
Jewish neuroticism
>>25310341>negative dialecticsIt's like the via negativa in theology (describing God by what he is not) except with Hegelian dialectics instead.
Why are the French sociologists/anthropologists so much better and less utterly joyless than the Germans?
>>25310355Culture
>>25310331Has anyone here read Adorno? I haven't. But he interests me, and I'd like to hear from someone who knows his work well.
>>25310510All I know is that he used Kant to justify that all media and culture in capitalist society was a mask for domination.
>>25310543>all media and culture in capitalist society was a mask for dominationHe's right
>>25310331He was such a massive SJW he became a Chud. In trying to oppose fascism he ended up opposing the Enlightenment itself which is part of the reactionary objective. Everything he says and does resembles chuddism because he made himself a chud.
>>25310342It's weird coming a leftoid but nothing jewish about not listening to jungle bunny music.
>>25311400The neo-mosaic laws declare that you must only listen to jazz for 300 beats per ear, and only one ear at a time.
whenever i read some crazy marxist or post modern shit i can only listen to schoenberg or whatever for a week so idk
>>25310331>*dies after being exposed to titties*
>>25310510part of his method is making big abstract generalisations (like 'all jazz is bad') in order to get at the deep tendencies underlying history. if you stick purely to empirical data, you can't see the forest for the trees, can't confidently state anything that opposes or gets a grip on the massive complexity of society and the economy, and everything becomes an equivocal grey - though all the while history is steamrolling forward.so exaggeration, exaggeration that stays true to the disproportionate intensity of subjective feeling, is how you get at the truth of things in a world where subjectivity is being crushed out and the objectivity of the market ('but most people really like jazz!') becomes likes an idol at whose feet we must sacrifice ourselves.in jazz he saw a style - a particular rhythm, a way of handling harmony - that could be imposed like a template again and again in an industrial manner. this external form prevented music from freely developing on its own terms, because it constantly tied the music back to the jazz-sound, as a known, saleable, danceable commodity.in this way jazz lets you glimpse the tendency of cultural commodities to become increasingly stereotyped even as they are presented as new and innovative. this novelty-without-development is one of the contradictions of capitalism. technology and production speed up while culture and spirit slow down.when we listen to jazz we can hear many things, many of them delightful and admirable, but i think we can also hear what adorno heard, and we can grasp the deeper underlying tendency he sensed, a tendency that with the dark dawn of AI, the age of lo-fi hip-hop beats to bed-rot to, surely no one could dismiss. 'the splinter in your eye is the best magnifying glass' he says in minima moralia, and in this case jazz was that splinter. you don't have to hate jazz to grasp the truth he saw revealed through jazz.
>>25311457That's the most autistic writings I've ever read>No, you can't simply enjoy things!>The capitalists are distracting you!
>>25311457This guy gets it. >>25311781>>25310331 Our modern equivalent would be something like EDM music. just think of retarded normies going to edm festivals year after year, and you will understand adorno's point. there are several tiktok trends about how "here's my day life, here's my nightlife", and it's always an asian working a corporate job then doing drugs at raves. it's an analytic, distilled form of culture and music that grants a worker a mini vacation so they can get right back to grinding. compare this to someone (or a group of people) learning an instrument and playing songs.
Has there been anyone that made these ivory tower intellectuals take their own medicine, by that I mean turned their whining about power and control against them, since they themselves occupy a prestigious position in society and may merely use their critique as an inverted lust for domination.
>>25311457but whats the free alternative, that is unbound to the demands of the market, then? there’s a billion difference directions of sound development that could feasibly be classified as music, but only an extremely small number of them would be aesthetically pleasant to the human ear, one could just as feasibly argue that the market merely capitalizes on what is ”good” in ipso. jazz didnt get popular becomes the collective oversoul of capitalism saw in it a template to be mass produced, but rather, a template is required for a pleasant aesthetic experience. i dont see what the ”ideal culture experience” would be.keep in mind that everyone (plato, kant, adorno) who tried to describe the human condition without knowledge of things like evolutionary psychology and neurology were severely ignorant of the fundamental biological realities of man.
sorry commies i won't stop liking jazz or rock/pop music or films or pornography or whatever just so we can pursue your delusions of a classless world
>>25311400Probably but I like jazz regardless
>>25311400jazz is better than whatever slop you listen to
>>25310355>Why are the French so much better and less utterly joyless than the Germans?ftfyThat being said I wouldn't exactly blame Adorno on "Germans".
He would have loved the Talk Tuah podcast
>>25311795They go there to have fun (sex, drugs, music) and they doWhat the fuck is that retard babbling about for 100 pages?
>>25310331It was just boomers being boomers, it's the same reaction boomers would have nowadays listening to something like Death Grips. Back then Jazz was like Death Grips for them
>>25311990there are s lot of cool guy boomers with gray ponytails who collect vinyls and shit, to really piss off a boomer, it would have to be super unhip. like maybe, man i don't even know, 50 cent or something.
>>25311990he championed autistic atonal musical wankery though
>>25311998so what did he say when jazz guys got hip to atonalism and started spamming free jazz bullshit?
>>25311988people have had fun with sex drugs and music for thousands of years. the way we do it now is structured differently. what's so hard to understand?
>>25311864Jazz is worse than the lowest, sloppiest, modern pop selection imaginable.
>>25310331It’s so fucking funny how he arrived at the same conclusion as the Nazis despite being on completely opposite sides of the political spectrum.
>>25312042I don't think it really is, that's what is hard to understand. I've been to the WORLD'S OLDEST AMPHITHEATER (TM) somewhere between Athens and the Temple of Poseidon and it's just a rocky hillside by the water, which doesn't seem out of place for a modern music festival
>>25312059once u realize this u can't unsee it. jazz is ass.
>>25312059>>25312109Jazz is made to be played as background music for sleazy chic bars, and it is perfect for that role. Might as well become angry at elevator tunes. Some places have tried putting Brahms or Debussy there and it sounds horrible. I agree that it was a mistake to take jazz out of its natural element. >>25312104The present day rave is not that different from old school bacchanals except that rave partiers don't pretend to make a religion out of it. Some will claim otherwise because they imagine antique sex-drug-music through a highbrow screen of Bouguereau paintings or the like.
>>25312144yeah that's why the just take the chords from popular tunes and then spam whatever notes over them, no one is paying attention nor cares that they aren't really playing accurately, or at least not originally. now people get all asspained and academic about it tho.
>>25310331
>>25312144it's not 1933 anymore retard, grow up
>>25312144>>25312159>>25312104the idea that HavingFunTM is somehow intellectually untouchable or that it is mostly ahistoric is just wrong. It's wrong in the sense that your belief here is like the product of any ideology which always rewrites itself to be eternal, akin to "trans people were always here!! you just ignored them", or "fascism is the eternal law of nature" or "why was xyz so evil?".
Evola also hated jazz. jazz is the eternal filter of insufferable autists
>>25312109explain? genuinely curious
>>25312331Maybe they shouldn’t have chose to play jazz on the most shrill and monosonoric instruments besides the piano.
>>25310355What does Adorno have to do with the Germans?Though I do wonder...would anyone really care about jazz if not for it being a safe, middlebrow, and flagrantly non-white alternative to classical music and lowbrow rock and metal?
>>25312407Probably not. Jazz is the thing everyone says they like when they want to appear intellectual but not nerdy.
>>25312420only whites do that, blacks grow up in households listening to black music
>>25312331jazz improvisation emphasizes individuality. autists can only into music if it is composed with basic forms so they can listen on autopilot. same thing why anything remotely stream-of-consciousness fries their circuits
He wasn't comparing Jazz to Pop. Jazz has some good elements but it's still simpler and more suited for commercialisation than classical music. It was the slop of his time.
>>25311457Where is this from?
>>25311457wow adorno is a load of crap
>>25311309When you go far enough into being left wing you inevitably become a chud with a couple variations. Just read Che's thoughts on homosexuals as some type of bourgeoisie filth for example
>>25312582WTF I love Che now?
>>25311832>Sorry dad I wont stop smoking weed and selling my ass because of your delusions of me ending up with a sucessful career and stable life. I was always a sleazy crashout bastard!
>>25312420>"probably not">then proceeds to say the exact same thing as the anon you replied toUhh....
>>25312582There is probably some truth to that idea, though. Homosexuality is overwhelmingly a bourgeois epidemic. And not because it's dangerous to come out of the closet as a lower class faggot.
>>25311803Mao, Pol Pot, and MAGA came to this realization. It’s still low IQ and resentful af to hate intellectuals as a class just because so many are retarded hypocrites though. Most anti intellectual movements become a Kakistocracy like Trump’s 2nd term.
>>25312627shut up chud
>>25312000he was too much of a racist elitist to care and stay informed about the development of jazz music
