>Wanna go on a philosophy speedrun, starting with all classical ones including Plato(I don't where he ends and Socrates begins) and Confucius concurrently >Heard alot about Confucius and his big brained his ideas were>Finally read The Analects>Just a bunch unconnected quotes with no build between one another>'Hey isn't it gentlemanly to be smart? and also to be a good son/neighbor/whatever? >The first book is barely longer than the introduction. The second book is 4 pages longThe introduction and appendix is longer than bro's book
>>25310748Why are you complaining?Brevity is the soul of wit, I much prefer it when they keep it short and sweet.
>>25310748The Chinese city states Confucius was writing for already had existing laws and customs. What Confucius seeks to do in his pithy quotes is merely explain why you should uphold them. It isn't like Plato where he's creating some new ideology from scratch.
>>25310817So essentially he's basically no different from Sir Robert Filmer in the west?
>>25310748As I've aged, I've grown to appreciate Confucius more. Buddhism is edgy teenager shit. Taoism is fun and positive but often impractical. Confucianism is the ultimate pragmatic system that is earned wisdom.
>>25310828I had to look that guy up but yes pretty much. Simplified the difference isSocrates = question EVERYTHING. Try to create a new society from the ground up (this is what Plato attempted and failed to do in Syracuse)Confucius = respect the laws of the states that you live in already including deities and laws, etc
>>25310748Western philosophy just tends to be way too verbose. What Plato got across in 2000 pages could've fit within 2.
>>25310849shit-stirrer vs blend in
>>25310849There's a theory that Karl Jaspers popularized called the Axial Age, which groups them in with Buddha, Christ and someone else. Robert Bellah expanded on it in picrel.
>>25310865You’ve just summarized the fundamental difference between western and eastern traditions, yes.
>When Confucius went to Chu, the madman Jieyu wandered past his gate. He was singing this song:>“Oh Phoenix! Oh Phoenix! How your virtuosity has declined!>You cannot wait for a future era, nor can you recapture the past.>When the Course is present in the world, the sage perfects himself with it.>When the Course is lacking in the world, he just lives his own life with it.>But in the present age, avoiding execution is the best he can do with it.>Good fortune is lighter than a feather, but no one can carry it for long.>Trouble is heavier than the earth, but no one can get it to drop away.>Confronting the world with your virtuosity—let it rest, give it up!>Drawing a straight line upon this earth and then trying to walk along it—danger, peril!>The brambles and thorns, which so bewilder the sunlight, they don’t impede my steps.>My zigzag stride amidst them that keeps my feet unharmed.”Feels bad man
>>25310939>confronting the world with your virtuosity-let it rest, give it up!Brvtal blackpill
>>25310748your green texting needs workprotip: always start a green text with>be me
>>25310748shut the fuck up
>>25310748the challenge is to read the summa theologiae, recognize where thomas is being thomas and where thomas is being tendentious, and, like basil said in his letter to young men, accept the good parts and ignore the bad parts
>>25310915> which groups them in with Buddha, Christ and someone else. I’ve never read that book but I assume “someone else” is Sankara or one of the other men of the Hindu tradition.
>book is titled "a bunch of quotes">open it up>it's a bunch of quotes
That's just eastern philosophy isn't it. I read the Dao book and it's >if you know you know if you don't know you're a pleb>also if you try to know you failed already lmaoCall me a western piggu but that's just mirror self affirmations not philosophy
>>25310748If you're going for a philosophical speedrun, check out Guatama of Kapilavastu. Most philosophers are just "rediscovering" what he did and articulating the same ideas in lower resolution. Saved you ten years of your life. Your welcome.
>>25310748is pop music too conceptually challenge for you too?
>>25310830I dunno, I don't really find Buddhism that edgy
>>25310748why are you reading two philosophers from two very different cultures at the same time? Do you want to confuse yourself? And why are you reddit spacing like a retarded newfag?
>>25310919>burdenmaxxing is literally the core of western philosophyWe wuz da Kangz all along
>>25310965Who else would you be?
>>25311847It’s the Faustian spirit >I could be content with my lot and go along to get along but nah, I need more
>>25311841Because they're contemporaries(500 BC) and reading all of them gives me an incremental idea of how the philosophies contrast and resemble on another which lets me learn a lot of underlying principles regarding them which them lets me form the critical thinking skills and blah blah blah blah
>>25310748Skip all that Chinese wank and do this:Read the Illiad and Odyssey (Richmond Lattimore translation) then read the Lattimore and Grene editions of the tragedies (at least read the Oresteian trilogy of Aeschylus, the Oedipus plays of Sophocles and The Bacchae, Hippolytus, Medea of Euripides). Next pick up the Penguin classics volume titled "Early Greek Philosophy" this will give you a good overview of the pre-Socratics. You'd probably do well if you're particularly interested in Nietzsche to read Charles Kahn's The Art and Thought of Heraclitus. Then read the five dialogues of Plato: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedo (often found in a volume titled 'The Last Days of Socrates'). The translations you choose of the philosophical works are not as important as with the poetry/plays, as the poetry/plays both needs to be beautiful enough to read, and also be accurate to the original text; whereas the philosophy just needs to be accurate and clear. Both the tragedies and these works by Plato are very short. Next read The Republic. Next read Aristotle’s The Nicomachean Ethics and Metaphysics at least, Poetics too if you're enjoying him. Then on to reading at the very least The New Testament of the Bible, but would benefit from Genesis and Exodus too. Then read St Augustine's Confessions and Aquinas' On Being and Essence. Next on to Descartes’ Meditations on First Philosophy. Then Spinoza's Ethics, Hume's An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding. Now Immanuel Kant, you must read Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics, and then at least some sections from Critique of Pure Reason but preferably all of it. Look for some guidance online if you struggle with Kant, as everybody does. Onwards to Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit, would benefit from some of his Lectures on the Philosophy of History. For Arthur Schopenhauer read The World as Will and Representation and On the Suffering of the World. Now watch an old performance of Wagner's Tristan und Isolde on YouTube and read Wagner's Wikipedia page. Then you can read Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy, Ecce Homo, Beyond Good and Evil, and The Genealogy of Morals.
>>25310748You have to read Mencius for a clearer depiction of Confucian philosophy.
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