Is the 1 billion american dream over?I think the trajectory of thinking bigger has collapsed.People used to dream of a bigger america, but now people dream of a declining population in a country with endless resources.
when that author says he wants a billion americans he means one billion by way of immigration NOT that u should have kids, that would be bad for the environment or something. might be something in his early life that lead him to think this way, who knows...
>>25311651The far-right trolls are so predictable. I knew you would post this garbage even *before* I opened the thread.
>>25311654Lol. Bodied
>>25311654>>25311657concession accepted, peace out
>>25311645Boomers have this obsession with growth because they designed the ponzi scheme normal of stealing from future generation by assuming endless growth is sustainable. Every fucking metric would improve by letting the global population reduce naturally and that’s what’s happening. Unfortunately the scam society cannot cope with this so you must either have 10 children each or accept 100 million africans because boomers will trade your future for their comfort, again. Some of the hardest topics like climate change and resource depletion (the colorado river is currently undergoing a lake aral disaster for instance, Utah will be fucked with salt pan basins soon as well) are solved by just having less people. Bizarrely the left won’t have that solution either and just parrots neolib lines about illiterate Abdul and Ngubu paying for granny’s pension. Immigration is just kicking the can down the road except now you fucked the country for the next millennia as well. The “right” doesn’t care because stonks must go up, borders stops them exploiting people to undercut wage labour. The entire political spectrum is people who want you dead or enslaved.
>>25311668>stealing from future generationboomers didn't know their grandkids were gonna be dorks who couldn't get laid, they assumed like every previous generation in human history, that you would have sex, but nope.
>>25311654>it keeps being true but uhh you pointed it out again
>>25311654You posted garbage for the initial image
>>25311668FDR is older than the boomers and Yglesias is a millennial You’re kind of right but you’re also wrong a lot and it’s undercutting your point
>>25311645It's "melt a billion people into a new ethnos defined by McDonald's, Alphabet, and Instagram and get rid of that pesky bill of rights" not "make the us greater".
Line must go up at all costs
>>25311745What if … the line wasn’t going up anymore but we just said it was …
>>25311745how did u like it when the line went down in 2008? ok then
>>25311668>letting the global population reduce naturallyYou know what else is natural? Extinction.
>>25311745There's too many people preventing it from going up.
>>25311769Would have been fine without feminism. We only lost the house cause my mom waited until then to divorce my dad.
>>25311672That's more of a third wave feminism problem and not a growth problem per se. Get rid of that and things go back to normal.
>>25311812No offense but your mom sounds like a cunt. Can women ever think about anyone else other than themselves for once?
>>25311812Wife bad
>>25311850I was gonna give you an argument like how Iran has first world birthrates below replacement despite not having feminism, it's on total life support like Germany but I'd rather call you an ignorant idiot.
>>25311858She was and no most of them can't. >>25311896I'm never getting a legally contracted marriage due to what happened to my dad. You'd have to be a retard to do so. Decades of poverty and emotional torture backed by the violence of the state.
>>25311901Just do a prenup idiot
>>25311651FPBP>>25311654SPWP
>>25311899Thats okay, it wouldn't mean much coming from (you) of all people.
>>25311899it's because iranians are white. moreover a country can "have feminism" without it being official government policy.
>>25311672A ponzi scheme is evil even in the off chance the people promoting and benefiting from it had planned on it going longer than it did. Besides the ponzi is state enforced, and the old fleecing the young is not justifiable in any way. They're all super cozy earning their pensions higher than the median wage, get unlimited social spending for their twelve medical operations to extend by three years their geriatric lives, pump the rent for millennial workers that will never own anything, vote centrist, go on cruises, promote immigration so they can have low pay third world women house servants, and complain about kids these days. Line will go up. As a bonus the American ones also bless Israel which means we will be blessed in return!Literature? Well yes OP is the perfect literature for this mindset.
>>25311899Iran has more female college students than male. They're feminist
>>25311935You're right but it doesn't concern America. America is not a real country, it's a resource gathering colony for the international elite born from the british empire.We need one billion americans because there's so many resources there to mine.
>>25311935>blaming the boomersYou should get to retire and go on vacations and such. That's the American dream. That's not the reason the younger generations are hosed. This generation warfare stuff is just another psyop to divide us.
>>25311935The best memes are in the end not that far off.Especially if the edit is edited a bit more.
>>25312026I don't actually hate my old man or other people like him. They got sold lies like everyone else in higher education.
>>25312022I think people like you need to be shanked and stripped and raped.
>>25311645If I remember correctly the argument he makes is "more people = more buying things = better economy". This seems like something that was true in the 90's-00's, but I'm not sure this is something that is true in what is becoming a post-AI world where allegedly 90% of jobs are going to be eliminated. If you are going to have a post-work world that subsists on UBI less people is better than more people.
>>25311905Those get thrown out all the time if the judge thinks they're unfair, they're nearly worthless. The only solution is to keep the cultural and religious aspect but never get legally married. Don't be retarded. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwHG8US6YFo
>>25311672Boomers were an outlier when it came to how big their generation was. If anything it was their parents having all the sex because of the post-WWII economy/feelings. Every generation post-boomer has been smaller and smaller. It was also trending that direction prior to the boomer generation. Kids used to be things that you could send out to work and earn their bread, but now they are 100% a money loser and combine that with women having more of a say of when or if they have kids and you just get fewer babies.
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>>25312366>subsists on UBI less people is better than more people.that would be true if the wealth was based purely on natural resources. then, the fewer people sharing it would be better. but the wealth that would pay for UBI depends on a large economy, not on a large resource base. and more people means a larger economy. it also means more recipients of UBI so where it balances out in the end is not that clear.
>>25312022That's never been true and it won't be>>25312366Also because the immigrants we get now are on average literal retards who barely work. It's a completely insane idea.
>>25312395Yeah I get we are currently in a consumer economy. I'm not sure how or if it is even possible to transition to a post-AI economy.>>25312398If it makes you feel better almost every corner of the earth is experiencing population collapse.
>>25311645fuck off we're fullany excess buddies can go chill on the moon
>>25312444>almost every corner of the earth is experiencing population collapse.thankfully it's not not happening in africa
>>25312648The TFR is dropping in African and Arab countries while still above replacement. It’s odd too, they are literally poor Muslims countries with decently sized rural populations. Their birthrates should be extremely high not decreasing. My hypothesis is that chemical pollutants is causing this global decline in birthrate.
You guys see where this talk of dropping birthrates will lead, right? It's the abandonment of education for everyone but elites, child labor and first world sweatshops. Nobody is having kids because they're a financial drain. To reverse that, the obvious solution is to send the little bastards to work.
>>25313000The bottom 20% of performers student should ABSOLUTELY be dropped from the school system by 14 (maybe even before). Their presence is a massive cost, a damage to the other students, and also deprivation of just starting to make and amass some money for them.
>>25313020ya but that would be racist, instead some place like california will probably kick out the top 20% of performers for equity purposes, then high achieving strivers will deliberately blow some questions on standardized tests to stay in the program while autists will foolishly and pridefully get them all right and be removed.
>>25311645We don't have enough housing, infrastructure, jobs, etc. for .340 million. How can we manage 1 billion?
>>25312699it's a bunch of factors. greater access to birth control, healthcare, rising costs of children, rising cost of living, rising female enrollment in education leading to delayed marriage or non-marriage, greater awareness (via adoption of technology) of the outside world and alternatives to traditional life. then you have men who are dreaming of migration or actively migrating, taking themselves out of the breeding pool, out of the marriage pool also because lack of resources in a modern world, and probably rising dowry prices despite all that. if you think it's hopeless in the West, just imagine how young men in places like Pakistan or Uganda or something must feel.
>>25313000Education is mostly wasted on the masses. Basic literacy and arithmetic is all the average mouthbreather needs.
>>25313020Now you say the bottom 20% but it's going to become at least 50% or higher. The argument will be that public schools have become so shitty they are little more than babysitting centers anyways. Whether or not people will have access to education will depend entirely on how much money their parents have. If they can't afford 60k a year private school fuck you, go to the mines.>>25313028You dump the slave labor class in slums next to their sweatshops in the middle of the Sonora desert. Who cares about poors, right?
>>2531302014 years of unproductivity is too long to wait to make the birthrates go up. We're going to be sending kindergartners to do menial work.
>>25313044>The argument will be that public schools have become so shitty they are little more than babysitting centers anywaysThis is pretty indisputable.
>>25311645I know this is a bait post but I'm in favor of more immigration to the United States. It's basically settled economics that high immigration's good for everyone in the long run, economically speaking. I haven't read that book but I've heard about it -- anyone who's read it, should I?
>>25313079It's astroturfing, not bait
>>25311668We should have started geo engineering and aerospraying yesterday.
>>25313079Its not. It strains scarce markets, devalue labor, divides labor, and messes with demographics which is especially bad in regions like Europe. Immigration is both a tool used by the WEF class to GDPmaxx and wage class warfare, nothing more nothing less. Open border leftists are the kings of useful idiots.
>>25313134You guys aren't breeding. Like at all. You can't have a functioning country when the vast majority of your population becomes oldfags.
>>25313136All of the global north has neutral to declining birth rates. Which isn't a good region to flood them with the superfluous detritus from Africa and india, only retarded leftists with colonial guilt, boomers with 401ks and cosmopolitan WEF demons/jews think thats acceptable. Automation and robotics will resolve the old geezer bottleneck issue, which is what china is doing, meanwhile the EU is actively trying to import infinite jeets.
>>25313150Isn't a good reason*
>>25313044>Now you say the bottom 20% but it's going to become at least 50% or higher. The argument will be that public schools have become so shitty they are little more than babysitting centers anyways. Whether or not people will have access to education will depend entirely on how much money their parents have. If they can't afford 60k a year private school fuck you, go to the mines.This won’t work, modern society can’t function with an illiteracy rate above 10%
>>25313136>You guys aren't breedingunless you're African this applies to whatever species of non you are too
>>25313136the real solution, which nobody wants to even hear, is that the old should all be killed
>>25312699>My hypothesis is that chemical pollutants is causing this global decline in birthrate.I don't think people are physically having trouble, it's the social institutions are collapsing.>>25313000Again you're retarded it has very little relationship to money. If you notice who actually IS having kids, it's traditional types. That's it. The more liberal progressive, the fewer kids.
>>25312021Under Iranian law if a man testifies to one thing and a woman to the other, the judge is to trust the man.
>>25312372missing a lot of context here, but the "prenups always get thrown out by le evil shrieking feminist family court judge" is nonsensethe key to that was>this wife has been pressured to signThe prenups that get thrown out tend to be ones where the husband had their lawyer draft it then had the wife sign it without being given an opportunity to review it, or it was presented to her on the eve of the wedding where if she said she didn't want to sign it she would have been humiliated by having a large wedding called off. There was recently a prominent case in my state where a prenup was thrown out for that reason.Additionally it was significant that this was a 14 year marriage and it said she would get no part of the business or support. Legally when you are married it is assumed that any money made by the couple is made jointly, so any profits of the business during the marriage are presumed to have been made by both the husband and wife. Due to the long term of the marriage the judge probably felt it was unfair to say the wife had nothing to do with this business, and it would be inequitable to leave her with nothing from it. If the marriage had only been a few years instead of 14 I suspect there would be a different result.
>>25313232>>this wife has been pressured to signproof?
>>25311935>demoralization propaganda for french, brits, and germansI genuinely wonder if that image was made by an agent of the Russian government.
>>25313134Maybe demographics are a problem in Europe considering those are ethnostates, but the US has never been that so it's not really a problem for us. We just assimilate immigrants the same way the Irish and Italians were once considered subhumans but are now just generic white people.Also you're engaging in something called the lump of labor fallacy, the incorrect view that there is a fixed amount of work to be done in an economy, so that if one group of people gets more jobs, another group must necessarily get fewer. Labor markets can expand if there are more workers and more consumers.
>>25311668The "left" in America are right wing liberals anon
>>25313233I am only quoting the judge, as I said we are missing context from just a less than 1 minute clip. But the judge, who had reviewed the record and knows the law said the wife had been pressured to sign it at 10s.
>>25313238this is part of how the baby boomers got so fucking rich. every institution had to expand to service them from colleges to banks to people digging ditches for sewage to the suburbs which created tons of career opportunities. when the population starts to contract there are no new jobs, you have to wait for people to retire and then they might not even fill the open role.
>>25313244well what proof do you imagine could possibly exist that she "got pressured" into a it 14 years ago
>>25313238explain unemployment
>>25313246Well, again, I don't know the specifics here, but since you're asking me what I imagine could exist to prove she was pressured 14 years ago, she could have presented documents like letters, emails, or text messages, or provided oral testimony from herself or others that show things like >the prenup was first presented to the wife a day before the wedding, or at least after major non-refundable wedding expenses were made and 100+ invitations were sent out so refusing would have caused major reputation and economic harm>the husband had legal representation but the wife didn't, especially if his lawyer draw up the prenup but the wife didn't have a meaningful opportunity to hire a family lawyer review it for her, or the husband told her she didn't need a lawyer because his lawyer had taken care of it and since she loves him she should trust him (these two were the facts in the case I mentioned above where a prenup got thrown out, additionally they factored in that the husband was older and rich while the wife was 19 and barely had any money to hire a lawyer)But if she just said>I felt pressured because I loved my fiance and did not want the wedding cancelledthat would not be enough
>>25313247Sure, what about it?
>>25313217>it's the social institutions are collapsing.Everywhere? Globally? Not just the West, but socialist countries like China, North Korea, Islamist countries like Iran and Saudi, and dirt-poor countries like Somalia are seeing sharp declines in birthrates over the past 30 years. It doesn’t add up, unless the problem is in the physical act of conception.
>>25313238There absolutely is inelasticity in the labor pool and there's always winners and losers. And even more fundamentally the decreased supply in labor naturally leads to a decrease in its value, which benefits boomers 401ks and the ghoulish global capitalist class. And you're right about America, but on the same token thats why this country is a shithole, it flattens everything just so boomers can die without an ounce of discomfort and billionaire jews can rape kids on private islands without having worked a hard day in their lives
>>25313270I will remind you that Epstein was arrested and convicted for his crimes.
>>25313238GDP expands, but GDP per capita drops. As long as you are lowering the average income level (immigrants are generally low wage), the only people who really benefit are the rich who get to use the cheap labor. The other costs (since low wages mean people are net consumers of tax dollars rather than contributors) are off-loaded onto local communities mostly but also state and federal government.You could argue that even with the lower GDP per capita, it is more important to have a larger economy for competitive reasons (to compete with China, for example).
>>25313299My experience may not be universal, but what you describe has really not really my experience from working with numerous H1-B recipients. I am pretty sour on the guestworker programs because I think they're a form of indentured servitude. But nonetheless the people I've worked with have all been high earners, 150-450k+My company is even still bringing them in despite the 100k H1-B fees.
>>25311668^this.Amen and thank you for posting. May your words be etched in stone.
>>25312021>>25312021>Iran has more female college students than male. They're feministWhile I don't agree with your claim that Iran is feminist, the rest of what you say is spot on. The more education women receive, the lower the birth rate.
>>25311935>They're all super cozy earning their pensions higher than the median wage, get unlimited social spending for their twelve medical operations to extend by three years their geriatric lives, pump the rent for millennial workers that will never own anythingAll their lives they said the people who work (and work hard!) deserve the benefits. Now they say that because they worked (note past tense!) all their lives, they deserve the benefits. Not the people currently working. You'd think they had never been paid and are only now getting compensation for working all their lives.>vote centristFunny you mention this. Old people traditionally vote conservative. In Canada's most recent election, the old-timers overwhelmingly voted Liberal.
>>25312026So who is to blame?
>>25313369republicans
>>25312366>If I remember correctly the argument he makes is "more people = more buying things = better economy".And if, like in Canada, where there's scarce housing... more people = more demand for housing = higher rents = more homelessness = fewer births = worse economy.Lolbertians (Libertarians) never want to address that one. But Ben Shapiro at the Daily Wire says society doesn't own anyone affordable housing.
>>25313379Maybe the homeless should just die.
>>25313381I agree, I really shouldn't be forced to see visible signs of poverty.
>>25313385I would really miss the fent zombies and ranting schizophrenics that make my daily commute so colorful :(
>>25313379> I remember correctly the argument he makes is "more people = more buying things = better economyThis is precisely why we must quickly shift towards socialism.
>>25313379I mean, can't you just build more housing? Wouldn't that drive down rent/home prices for everyone because of supply and demand?
>>25313176^thisThe Day of the Pillow is long overdue.
>>25313136And the vast majority of the population can't afford to have children, let alone afford proper housing.
>>25313397Just be aware that the alphas are already sharpening their knives for you.
>>25313375>republicans*sigh*What a stupid answer.
>>25313396>I mean, can't you just build more housing?No. For a whole host of reasons.>Wouldn't that drive down rent/home prices for everyone because of supply and demand?Yes, which is one of many reasons why "they" won't do it.
>>25313403its not, republicans put short term profit first every time
My butt itches and i already took a shower
>>25313408this is usually the first sign of a furry transformation, let me know when you start growing a tail and fur
>>25311645I would be better off with fewer americans, therefore I reject this
>>25313407>its not, republicans put short term profit first every timeWhat about the Democrats? What do they put first every time?
>>25313429long term vision for the future of america
>>25313429>>25313431Democrats can't even win minor elections lately because they put stupid social justice shit first when most people only give a fuck about money.
>>25313439there's more to life than a little money
>>25313431great bait, mateotherwise kys
>>25313439"Stupid social justice shit" = NGO industrial complex.
>>25313265Because everyone who wants to has kids, has them, lots of them. Religious people mainly. They don't have any actual trouble conceiving when they choose to. It's not a physical problem. >>25313243Almost, but completely backward. Everyone everywhere is a far left liberal of varying degrees.
>>25311806overpopulation causes extinction the systems and structures that supports a population strain and eventually collapse under overpopulation, leading to complete loss of habitability this is ecology 101 and every culture around the world has known this centuries. that the current global cultural hegemony is obsessed with endless profit and are trying to push population growth is nothing but pure hubris. there is no effort to create infrastructure for enabling and supporting a higher population. self regulating market theories like the invisible hand and trickle down economics have made governments stupid as fuck, and completely negligent in actually supporting their people
>>25313136>You can't have a functioning country when the vast majority of your population becomes oldfags.yeah and you also can't have a functioning country when the vast majority of your population becomes imported inbred, illiterate retards from the third world.>>25313265>Islamist countries like Iran and Saudi, and dirt-poor countries like Somaliainbreeding and child marriages aren't good.
>>25311672Boomers were the generation that embraced the pill you fucking retard.
>>25313265I looked into because of this thread and apparently birth control isn’t haram in Islam for married couples so long as it isn’t permanent like a vasectomy or tubal ligation. Kids are expensive everywhere.
>>25313396>can't you just build more housing?there is no space. even if housing materials became cheap (they're not), you are still constrained by space. look at how far "suburbs" have been moving away from urban centers into distant farmland that nobody woudl have imagined twenty years ago would become the only affordable subdivisions for new families.
>>25313327yes, that is a different issue of crowding out opportunites for college graduates in the US. but one could argue that these high-earners you mention enable chain migraton of lower-income relatives, including non-earning, aging parents who may also strain the system.
>>25313327but also keep in mind that software developers have been arguing for decades that these H1-B workers were pushing their wages down
>>25313567It's interesting that the reading board has the most retards per capita. I'm guessing you're just all retarded zoomers who think talking about books you had chat gpt summarize for you makes you sound intelligent
>>25311645Malthusian billionaires are the only ones dreaming of decline. And enacting it!
>>25314163>per capita.Lel
>>25313381I hope you die and a homeless man eats you. You have 1/16th of his virtue.
>>25313176Or just legalize marital rape again.
>>25313396You can. We don't. Heck (while building is a local thing) Trump even promised to keep property values high and several states are proposing eliminating property taxes. Pretty much every lever of power is being used to cater toward retired boomers who are mostly going to sell the houses to foreigners/corporations instead of handing it down to their children since they need to pay for the expensive senior care in about a decade.
>>25313444basic food, water, shelter triumphs over any and all ideology
