How come most books are written by the upper middle class when the people with the most time on their hands are poor? I can't think of a single author who's homeless or on welfare.And how come they never, ever argue in favor of communism when they are the ones it would help the most?Are they just dumb?
>>25312375>the people with the most time on their hands are poorAre you retarded? I'm genuinely asking. Where did you get this idea?
>>25312375>Are they just dumb?Yes, that's why they are poor.
>>25312384He‘s some spoiled middle class American who thinks it‘s based and edgy to hate the poor. 80% of the board is like this nowadays desu.
>>25312384Homeless people, welfare queens and people who work part time jobs have all the time in the world.
>>25312393Most poor people work 2 or 3 jobs or are single parents.
>>25312411>Moststop blatantly lying
>>25312375>the people with the most time on their hands are poorYou have to be 18 to use this website
>>25312393Or just work full time in a shit job. The idea that "poor people are just lazy" is propaganda at it's finest.
>>25312375Literature was always for the upper classes. Nothing good has come out of letting the lower orders try their hand at it.
u can get a bachelor's from cuny for free in ny state so why don't this guys hanging around the park begging and smoking pot just get an accounting or computer science degree or something it's not like they have anything else to do. seems like a lifestyle choice to me. maybe that's why they aren't angry leftists like rich kids who resent their dad.
>>25312375>in favor of communism when they are the ones it would help the mostso you're a retard
>>25312375Didn't JK Rolling write the first Harry Potter in a coffee shop because she could only occasionally turn on the heat to her apartment?Also I thought King was pretty poor when he was still writing under Richard Bachmann before he got big with Carrie and Cujo
The obvious answer is poor people are more worried about shit like where their next meal is coming from to work about pen and paper.
>>25312436I think she was living in her car.
>>25312419Most poor people are lazy. None of them want the managerial jobs at the places they work. They'd rather do grunt work for shit pay than take on responsibilities that come with a pay raise. Poor people have no desire to move up the ladder. They want to stay right where they are but do less work and magically make more money.
>>25312483>They'd rather do grunt work for shit pay than take on responsibilities that come with a pay raiseSomewhat true although I do not wish to do grunt work. From this it is easy to see why poor people are never more envious than of a trust fund child who lives their dreams. I personally am not envious as I am malsocialized so I do not care about others in the slightest.
>>25312375Nepotism + money. You need money to publish and poor people don't have money or names that end in -berg -stein or -witz. That being said, I practically live in the projects (although my family is middle class - I'm not black) and I write regardless
>>25312411So women huh? Should've stayed married and let him hit it more often.
I don't buy the idea that poor people somehow don't have enough time on their hands. For every man of leisure, aristocrat type there's probably a 1000 jobless welfare recipients. Many authors also had jobs alongside writing, so it's hardly a limiting factor. It's probably the fact that poverty is correlated to lower intelligence, worse impulse control, etc. If you're some 80IQ Walmart shelf stocker it's unlikely you have the executive functioning required to write a book in lieu of smoking weed and playing video games after work.
>>25312526whenever u hear someone say "i've been on my own since i was 16/18/whatever" it's always a woman who moved into her bfs place at that age. they were never "on their own". it's such crap. i have a wine aunt work friend who always talks shit about millenials who live at home at 40 saying how she moved out at 18 and it's like ya u moved out of ur parents mcmansion and into ur bfs pad. that's not on ur own.
>>25312384>>25312419They tend to be lazier, or financially irresponsible or just antisocial. It isn't propaganda, it's what you can directly observe if you go out and really meet people. The workers who coast and let others pick the slack, or make an habit of borrowing from their colleagues, or who ask their colleagues to lie for them, or shirk blame, or never volunteer to learn new things, or want to pool tips, they tend to fall back as much as seniority will permit, so you'll see them pool at the lower income levels.
>>25312530>smoking weed and playing video games after worksounds so comfy but i don't think i could ever just enjoy life like that
>>25312541wow this guy actually has life experience being around low income people and not just what he heard about them in a sociology class
>>25312375>I can't think of a single author who's homeless or on welfare.Literally JK Rowling when she published Harry Potter 1 you fucking dumbfuck
>>25312546jk rowling is problematic tho she doesn't want to allow men to be in women's shelters for some reason wtf is her problem
>>25312375>And how come they never, ever argue in favor of communism when they are the ones it would help the most?Yes like in Venezuela where they all just starved to death>>>25312438Yes, the morbidly obese chain smokers covered in tattoos are so worried about where the next meal will come from. Another commie with his finger on the pulse of reality.
>>25312542And that is why you are interested in literature and they are not.
>>25312541I get your point, but the image is silly. What's wrong with a hamburger?
>>25312536Women never actually are "on their own", its always on some man's dime. Feminism never changed anything. They still expect the same treatment.
>>25312411>homeless people work 2 or 3 jobswhat
>>25312821most homeless people are transiently homeless, ie sleeping in their cars or on friends' couches or whatever. it's called "invisible homelessness" because they're not on the street but they still don't have a place to live. this is why the statistic "most homeless people are employed" is true
>>25312882I honestly can't tell if I'm homeless right now
>>25312889This is why people say poors are stupid
>>25312384There is no honest discourse or rhetoric on the internet any longer.
>>25312542Right. But you enjoy a beer or a glass of wine and read a book after work...
>>25312375rowling wrote harry potter on wellfare but she was also taking care of 2 kids or something
>>25312436>>25312546>>25315448>Rowling
>>25312411You can't be poor working 2-3 jobs in a western country
>>25312375Writing a novel takes discipline and dusciplined people aren't poor
>>25312419If they weren't lazy they wouldn't be in a shit job for so long given how easy it is to get certificates in in-demand fields and work your way up. Also even if you work full time at $15/hr you won't be poor unless you're retarded enough to live in a major city
>>25312545I grew up in one of those households where your parents make you work "to get life experience" and you meet a ton of these >>25312541 types doing restaurant, grocery store, department store work etc. Really opens your eyes to how poor people operate such that the jewniversity sociology propaganda can't sway you from how Gary was always smoking weed before work and getting drunk after and how Jimmy was going to the casino 3 nights a week despite them both complaining constantly how they have trouble making rent.
>>25315619>>25315622how can a person be so uninformed?
>>25315674Because my first full time job right after leaving school was working 35-39 hours/week as a Whole Foods cashier for $15/hr and it was more than enough to pay for rent+food and also start accruing a small savings and investment pool. And you get at least another dollar raise every year there even if you never get an official promotion.
>>25312375They do but you're not reading them. In Trad publishing, writing experience is a filter, which means it's typically people who have an education or who worked with writing for a long time (copywriters, journalists, etc) that get published and reach some level of success. There's plenty of poor people, but they seldom reach much success and their prints are in low numbers. In Self publishing, you need to shell out money for editing, ads, covers, etc, which means self published works by poor people are the books KDP and similar never ever pushes to the top. Also, poor people have the least defence against propaganda, and the least access to education, so they are much more prone to being bamboozled into a life of economic serfdom, and most only know of communism as a boogeyman to be avoided. Outside the few autodidacts, poor people tend to not even come into contact with communist thinking.
>>25312375Poor people are retarded and have nothing of interest or value to say
>>25315677when did you leave school?
OP could just google "writers who were on welfare when they broke through" and save the rest of us his pathological stupidity.
>>25315677I can't even get hired for mcdonalds with my degree
>>25312536I left home at 16 after i had a kid and worked full time to support her and the mother while she went to college for free. Im poor as fuck still, but i am very antisocial and hate everyone.
>>25316039I don't even have a degree, didn't matter
>>25316039>just competent enough to eke out a degree but not competent enough to successfully leverage that degree into success>accidentally boxed himself out of his proper metier in lifeGood job lad.
>>25316077What am I supposed to do with this information
>>25316081bodied that freak
>>25316092Stop putting your degree on applications and you might get a job in the service/retail industry
"I remembered my NewOrleans days, living on two five-cent candy bars a day for weeks at a time in order to have leisure towrite. But starvation, unfortunately, didn't improve art. It only hindered it. A man's soul was rooted inhis stomach. A man could write much better after eating a porterhouse steak and drinking a pint ofwhiskey than he could ever write after eating a nickel candy bar. The myth of the starving artist was ahoax."-Charles Bukowski>>25312541>>25315629As someone who lives off inheritance and land, considerably upper middle class imo, I dont get the lower middle class' obsession with the "le poors are le moral failings" narrative. I dread being around people poorer than me and specially farm workers but it's not like those specific behaviours arent seen in upper class households either. Almost all my richer friends did drugs in their 20s, all of them were socially inadequate and sexually perverse but it just gets swept under the rug as long as someone with class does it, who are tbf better at hiding it. Being poor is more about being stagnant than anything in regards to morality, you can be the best most kind hearted and bubbly person ever but still end up living in a trailer park if you refuse to move mentally in any capacity. Poor neighboorhoods dont change, they remain the same for decades on end with maybe a business or 2 shutting down, it never switches beyond the same rubble, cracked sidewalks, smell of musty alcohol and old ran down cars populating the streets. It's a lack of will, desire to move and to change beyond what you have and the dilligence to try to do so, most people who can tend to leave places like that behind even if stagnation is still an ilk in their hearts. You just get brainwashed into accepting that style of living, you start seeing old shirtless buns as something normal to be around, you accept working at a low paying job that doesnt require a degree because its just gine and you dont feel safe for much else, all those things get absorbed into your brain into just accepting your place and giving up with a couple markets out there like gambling, sports, drugs and so on bent on keeping some people in that state. It's all ever so depressing really. As much as I shat on people for not making a choice to leave said lifestyle it's also not entirely down to the individual that they got beaten into accepting it ever since they were kids. I see a lot of middle class people repeat the same attitude as well and that type of mentality is what keeps most tiny countryside towns the way they are as well
>>25312375Son, you can pay other people to turn your money into more money when you're rich. Any millionaire who still works does so by choice.
>>25316123rentier scum
>>25316123The lower classes became the lower classes for a reason. It's in their nature to be lazy and unambitious.
Maslow
>>25315629>duhh sociology le bad>i escape matrix, read rich dad poor dad, watch fox, hillbilly elegy, tv never lie
>>25316123Do you have enough willpower to describe how to move from abject poverty into living off inheritance and land? I'm tired of my trailer park, let's hear it king.
>>25316229Blame your ancestors for being unmotivated pieces of shit
>>25316231What? I don't want people to blame, I want out. How do I apply my willpower to do this? I want an artist's loft that's about 120sqm, with a nice studio to paint in, and it should be in a neoclassicist/secession/art nouveau building in any major non-Western European city (such as Krakow or Budapest). I also want some rental properties to finance my life so I can do art without worrying too much about bills.
>>25316246best you can do is start laying the groundwork for your descendants to enjoy such a life
>>25312375arts and culture careers are reserved for the children of the wealthy, as they are perceived as fun and interesting but with a high probability of failure. this is also why our arts and culture stink like fuck.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pov0MKuyJfg&ra=m
>>25316255That's not what you claimed.
>>25316263i'm nta
>>25316273I mean I know the pessimistic interpretation already, I just wanted our Evolian ubermensch to enlighten us with his insights regarding the will to power.
>>25312808Why can't we just throw women to the wolves for once?
>>25312890
>>25315833Can't wait to genocide your bourgeoisie homosexual ass
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>>25316229>>25316246Just become proficient enough at any particular field by studying a lot and mastering your own skills. My family never had a history with big farm plots and such until my great grandpa became a very well paid doctor and used his money to buy and expand land alongside my great grandma who was an anesthesist. My father came from a very similar background to the one I just described but spent every waking second of his life trying to dig himself out via a great career as a lawyer and he struck enough contracts to be able to live at a similar level to my mother who was already estabilished. A lot of people like to claim their degrees were useless but I live well enough off just odontology because I bothered to actually dedicate myself to getting into a field I like and dedicated enough effort to become a valuable professional at it instead of chatGPT + weed routine. Even the "meme degrees" people complain about can get you very far in life if youre competent enough at it to be valuable, there's plenty of 3d animators out there making miles more than meAlso in regards to rental properties it aint as worth it as investing and such. Taxes are getting too high to keep it as a stable source of revenue beyond like winning a small but slightly significant bit above minimun wage off 2 shitty properties every month, unless your family already had dibs on a good neighboorhood youre basically screwed since people in those only tend to sell if theyre about to disappear forever. It's also extra hard to get into nowadays
>>25316354>just come from money broFascinating insights
>>25316354>Just become proficient enough at any particular field by studying a lot and mastering your own skills.Ok, and then what? Are you then going to pay me to buy these properties or? Who will? Just tell me the exact person and the exact "le skill" Sam Tarde.
>>25316410I sense that you are exactly where you deserve to be in life.
>>25315677Dunno when you finished school but shit's probably different now. I make 21 an hour 40 hours a week and the only way I can afford rent/food is because I happened to find a super rare deal on my apartment. I live in one of the cheapest US cities too.2-3 jobs obviously doesn't mean you can get 120 hours a week of pay, it could mean maybe 80 hours a week if you manage to schedule everything perfectly but that's probably unlikely, they're probably service industry jobs that are all open at the same time.If you can manage that then you should be able to save, but yeah you'd have no time to write.
>>25316629Maybe you shouldn't live in a city.
>>25316629I find that hard to believe because I live in an American city as well and only work 30hrs/week as a server and don't find it particularly hard to afford rent and food.
>>25316416But what about the willpower Dr. Chadula.
>>25316416have you told him about the bootstraps? or maybe suggested the hearty handshake. it's all about the handshake you know
>>25312545lol yep. Our boy knows what he's talking about. I would say probably 1 in 100 poor people are actively trying to better themselves/their financial situation. 1 in 300 poor people are doing those things and also possess the charisma, intelligence or will to actually succeed. Now, I've pulled those numbers directly from my ass, but I feel they're probably somewhat accurate. In my heart
>>25316410You're talking to a larper who's probably 15
>>25316642Where do you suggest? The Suburbs? That's more expensive and means I need a car>>25316831I did service industry for years too, I dunno where you're working but some of those serving jobs pay way more than 21 an hour with tips. Maybe your city is just way cheaper than mine or you have roommates or something. If I actually paid the average 1 bedroom rent price for a neighborhood that doesn't have gunshots every night I'd be left with like 500/month for everything else. That might be enough for food if I was frugal but there's always random other bullshit to buy. Soles of my shoes are separating or my hard drive fails or some shit. Always some bullshit to buy
poors often have to focus every waking moment on meeting their immediate survival needs. Because of this, they may not have the time or energy to engage deeply with broader societal, political, or philosophical issues on anything. This aligns with Marx’s observations about how material conditions shape people's priorities and consciousness. Read Marx.
>>25317111behold, a chicken
>>25312393>welfare queensthis argument never made sense to me. why do people think there's a huge section of society riding welfare, notwithstanding the criteria and stuff for it, and claim that these people are supposedly more well off than them, and then they choose to not themselves hop on welfare. surely if it's such a good deal you'd take it, right?
>>25317128Depends on the country. In mine only foreign invaders get it, everyone who was unlucky enough to be born here only gets like $150/month max. While the foreigners get free houses, paid bills, free food, etc. + pocket money
>>25317408Its funny how much that makes you cry bitch tears
I'm tired of hearing poor people whine on this board.
