trvke book

prob the main way to cure that condition is to get married and have a kid but these days there's really no reason to do that so

>>25312756
There's really no viable channel to grow up into and integrate into adult society. What are you gonna do, be a fucking freemason? Join some shitty church devoid of spiritual depth? The present state of atomization of the individual, superficiality and apparent corruption of society/culture, coupled with lack of latent trust and openness in the community is an unparalleled obstacle for young men today.

>>25312905
go through the hazing required to become an investment banker, 100 hour weeks, all nighters redoing ur whole excel shit cuz some dude arbitrarily changed his mind at 6pm and wants it tomorrow, and so on. that's probably the closest thing. unfortunately, if u didn't go to a selective school it's not really available.

>>25312914
Rather just kill myself than do that.

>>25312914
I work 65 hour weeks and already want to KMS I’m never doing 100

>>25312915
well i'm sure in some antique coming of age ritual some of the candidates did not return so there u go

>>25312905
It honestly feels like once your life goes off track -or was never on the rack to start- there's just zero opportunity to change course. That's what makes the book feel mean spirited now. Its entirely unactionable.

>>25312918
dude that's only like 10 hours a day plus a half day on saturday lmao i would love to do that be blasting this the whole time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDukLyXY-M

>>25312914
>just be an evil covetous goblin hellbent who's life is centered self-interest and exploiting a corrupted economic system
I'm good Moshe

>>25312924
That’s exactly what it is yeah. Look I do have free time but I wish I had more.

>>25312920
You only get one shot to get it right. If you believe otherwise go to an AA meeting and watch all the junkies try to convince themselves that their job at Arby's and the 1 bedroom apartment they flop in is a fulfilling existence because they are sober now after 20 years of shooting dope.

the book doesn't say u have to become ceo of goldman sachs, it just says u have to get a fucking job and support yourself rather than continually living off some expired pipe dream. i work with some chick whose pushing 30 but tells everyone who will listen how she's going to do a phd in math and be this genius professor and it's like, lady, you've aged out of the child prodigy act, grow tf up.

>>25312932
i just waste my free time browsing this site or gooning. i'd rather be at work assuming they're paying me right.

>>25312928
the banking system in ur country is corrupt? wow that must suck luckily i live in a first world country with a well regulated financial system that efficiently deploys capital to innovators so they can increase everyone's standard of living through economic growth.

>>25312756
You can safely ignore any of the glorified cold reading of this autistic german fuckmeat of Jung's. It's, in their own parlance, projection.

>>25312914
Are you going to bother detailing why you equate that with maturity?

Idealizing financery is usually where people end up as a last resort, when they fail to find meaning anywhere else in life.

>>25312959
Don't respond to that guy.

>>25312959
>Are you going to bother detailing why you equate that with maturity?
read the book dude

>>25312959
>There's really no viable channel to grow up into and integrate into adult society.
i never said anything about "meaning". i was talking about "integrating into adult society". stay mad tho, real "mature".

>>25312963
No is shorter

>>25312964
Integrating into the body of adulthood i.e. society is the definition of maturity, lil bro

>>25312985
>moved the goalpost from "integrate into society" to "find meaning"
lmao u can't even follow the thread. just keep seething about banks dude.

>>25312991
So there's no meaning in society or what? I understand you're 16 years old but eventually you'll grow up and be able to hold discussions with words and communicate what you mean to others without embarrassing yourself.

>>25313004
i told u one example of a coming of age ritual that leads to "integration with society" to which u replied "nooo not like that!"

>>25313018
And again, I ask you to substantiate how being someone's excel bitch is a maturity capstone

>>25312935
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime, yo
You better

because once you finished it, you have a career for life with which u can comfortably support a family and contribute to your community. yes, guess what, submitting to authority is part of maturing. being a teen rebel in your 30s is cringe dude.

If you look at the puer aeternus in the negative sense, you can say
that he does not want to outgrow the mother problem; he does not
want to outgrow his youth or his youthful stage, but the growth goes
on all the same, until it destroys him; he is killed by the very factor
in his soul through which he could have outgrown his problem. If
you have to contend with such a problem in actual life, then you see
how people refuse to grow, become mature and tackle the problem,
and more and more a destructive unconscious piles up. Then you
have to say, "For God's sake, do something, for the thing is growing
against you and you will be hit over the head by it." But the
moment may come, as the star prince says in the book, when it is
too late, for the destructive growth has sucked up all the energy.
The luxuriant growth is also an image of a rich fantasy life, of an
inner creative richness. Very often, you find in the puer aeternus such
a rich fantasy life, but that wealth of fantasy is dammed back and
cannot flow into life because the puer refuses to accept reality as it
is, and thereby piles up life. He dams up his inner life. In actuality,
for instance, he gets up at 10:30 a.m., hangs around till lunch time
with a cigarette in his mouth, giving way to his emotions and
fantasies. In the afternoon he means to do some work but first he
goes out with friends and then with a girl, and the evening is spent
in long discussion about the meaning of life. He then goes to bed at
one, and the next day is a repetition of the one before. In that way,
the capacity for life and the inner riches are wasted, for they cannot
get into something meaningful but slowly overgrow the real personal-
ity. The individual walks about in a cloud of fantasies, fantasies
which in themselves are interesting and full of rich possibilities, full
of unlived life. You feel that such a person has a tremendous wealth
and capacity, but there is no possibility of finding a means of
realization. Then the tree—the inner wealth—becomes negative,
and in the end kills the personality. That is why the tree is
frequently linked up with the negative mother symbol, for the
mother complex has that danger; because of it, the process of
individuation can become negative in this sense.

>>25313049
Well, shit. Guess I'll apply to McDonald's again.

>>25313067
well ur mom has been asking u to get a job for years now so that's good, but i don't think getting a job for teenagers is how u get out of it.

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>>25312935
Perhaps they do feel satisfied? I made a fortune and lost most of it, and I realized that most of the hedonic pleasures I chased were meaningless. Now I try to find contentment in simple things: time spent with friends and loved ones, cooking good meals, going for walks, reading a good book.
I can imagine an addict finally feeling some sense of peace and relief at having kicked the habit, even if their job and living conditions are humble.

>>25313089
as long as u make enough money to pay ur bills ur free to do whatever tf u want if some guy wants to smoke weed and play video games after his arby's shift, cool. he's probably a lot more at peace than some guy who has fantasies of being a famous author and beats himself up for not writing after his arby's shift.

Society can suck my ass

>>25313034
Right but youre still just a middle class loser. Most people who work in finance are not rich, and never become rich. If you're going to hand down recommendations maybe lay off the grindset bateman larp and just tell people to become doctors. They get more pussy and people like them more, and they actually perform a meaningful service to society.

>>25313089
>I made a fortune and lost most of it
Story time, bro

>>25313144
He bought some crypto, got lucky, and then roundtripped it. Like half the people on here.

>>25313149
I had 3 bitcoins in my wallet in 2013 and blew them all buying microdots on the Silk Road. I think about this more than this probably healthy.

>>25313142
Nothing wrong with being a middle class loser. I mean you can still provide for your family and community on a middle class loser's salary. But yeah finance guys are rightly kinda reviled by most normal people.

>>25313154
You used it for its intended purpose, don't beat yourself up

>>25313154
>3 bitcoins
Don't pretend like you were going to sell them at $100k each. Even if you hadn't used them on drugs that 20, 30, 50k would have looked real good.

>>25313149
Yeah, got REALLY lucky on crypto. Peak NW was in the 8 figures. Was degen margin trading and blew up my account and lost almost everything. Now I ask myself all the time why I didn't squirrel away some more, I could have been set for the rest of my life. Thankfully I can still afford not to wagecuck for a while, but I have to live a more humble lifestyle. It took me a while to come to terms with fumbling generational wealth, but eventually I got over it. Such is life.

>>25313142
>There's really no viable channel to grow up into and integrate into adult society.
moved the goalposts from "integrate into adult society" to "become rich".

>>25313236
We're not moving the goalposts we're advancing the dialectic. We're not all so lucky as Fuckmeat Von Franz to get groomed by Jung and then be able to charge hourly to rich know nothings for astrology readings

>>25312953
Bank of America isnt corrupt?

I want to be marie-louise von franz's little baby tampon boy. i want to turn into a little crying baby and then suck on her breasts. her magic breast milk would turn me into a little baby tampon boy. she would stick me into her hoo-hoo and i would wait with anticipation spouting little baby goo-goo gagas waiting for her to bleed all over me. i want to feel her marie-louise von franz blood inside my little goo-goo ga-ga baby tampon body. i want to absorb her hoo-hoo juices inside my little baby tampon boy body and goo-goo ga-ga like a little rolly-polly baby boy. it would be orgasmic to know i am one with her hoo-hoo marie-louise von franz blood and i would giggle and goo-goo ga-ga and yelp with little baby boy excitement as i roll around in her marie-louise von franz hoo-hoo and revel in her red juices, slurping them into my soft little baby tampon boy goo-goo ga-ga body. then i want her to pull me out and squeeze and wring my little baby tampon boy body so that her marie-louise von franz hoo-hoo blood and juices spill all over her marie-louise von franz face. it would hurt and i would scream in pained goo-goo ga-gas as pain envelops my little baby tampon boy body until i reach full climax and turn back into a grown human man.

>>25312905
Did you try being chosen by God?

>>25312914
30% shot at success maximum even if you’re good looking, and even if you succeed you’re likely to become fat in the process.

>>25312756
I feel like I have been stuck in my mind since I was 12 and watched time fly past around me.
I was recommended to read either Nietzsche or Michael Aquino to move past, but this condition of mine may be more than depersonalization.
Could this book help me out?

>>25312756
Adulthood isn't real. Maturity isn't real.
It's just another stoic/absurdist style cope to survive in the world and society with its tendency to flatten people down towards the same numeric unhuman state. Nothing in nature "matures". It simply degrades and grows old and tired and weak and gives up and gives in. And in its tired state it wants everything to be tired and quiet around it too.
All great writers and thinkers and artists are all eternal children forever retreated to and living in their own personalized fantasy worlds constantly in anxiety and agitation on the run from the prison of life and death.
You can cope one way or the other it doesn't really matter. Psychology is ironically always at odds with biology.

>>25312763
Do not take this advice. That is what I did and it made me retreat from reality even further. I came to resent and neglect my wife and child.

>>25312959
>Are you going to bother detailing why you equate that with maturity?
there are group bonding events like learning how to sail

>>25312905
I agree. I think its a very narrow window. In the past it just meant sucking up that you probably arent going to be an artist, going to work in the factory and you get a wife and 2 kids. Now what do you do? You aren't ever owning a house, the basic jobs are the jobs that teenagers used to do. I've spent a lot of time in this state not because I dont recogise it but because I don't really feel like society has a use for me.

>>25312756
The only solution you have is renunciation. Read The Doctrine of Awakening.

>>Female author wants to tell you, the male that you are a child and your interests and everything about you, marks you for forever, as a babyman.

Why the fuck would you read this dogshit?

Why is a man acting like a child such a huge fucking deal and a woman acting like a child is literally never discussed by anyone ever?

>>25314066
I agree that for NPCs and normies maturity is merely a practical concession that promotes societal harmony. For non-NPCs actual maturity is in many ways the opposite of what culture defines it as. It is about honing your potentials and using them for the benefit of the whole (which often is at odds with society as such), in other words subduing one's desire to use one's gifts for egoic ends, and being willing to suffer to do what is needed. This is quite different than keeping one's head down and conceding life as merely attending to practicalities and accepting a submissive role in relation to the hierarchies that happen to exist, even if they be obviously corrupt.

>>25312756
Can someone quote me the passage where she tells me how to get a job after I just spent four years getting a cs degree and every one of my last 100 applications were ghosted and I'm living with my parents again? Nobody ever mentions that part of the peter pan syndrome. Fucking krauts

>>25314775
To be fair, I don't think the career market at the time of writing was nearly as shitty as it is now.

>>25314775
This was me. I'm a 2020 grad. Worked random gigs and now I work in a warehouse alongside illegal aliens. Never found a job with my degree and I learned to just leave the degree off my resume so people wouldn't think I'm over qualified and ignore me.

>>25314775
>>25314837
lol should have done a degree u enjoyed like literature, history, philosophy

this book is not about "getting a job" it's about not holding on to some young guy fantasy after you've aged out of it. like being pro at sports, music, revolution, whatever. is she telling u to give up "your dreams"? well if ur putting off ur real life with this fantasy that "my real life will begin once i publish my novel/get a record deal/land a movie role" like no ur real life is passing u by while live in some imaginary future that is getting shorter and shorter by the day. like basically u think u are special and all the other normies at your job who have a house and a kid aren't like u the future famous novelist, yet in practice nothing makes u different from those other guys other than falling behind them in life.

>>25312756
This is the result of a post-modern society which values individual freedoms over everything else.
Things like "duty" or "sacrifice" are harmful, dirty, hellish even. A bad ending to the story of a person's life.

>>25314856
This issue does not affect only men. See: all the aging women who focused on their career early in life while thinking they could easily have kids later.

>>25314149
I'd love to hear more details about your experience. Please respond when you can.

>>25314875
>This issue does not affect only men.
i'm pretty sure she talks about chicks in the book too. like so many meme books posted on here, it's actually pretty good if u read it and not just the chudnotes summary. it's not about getting a job or even settling down and having a family. it's about not living in a fantasy life in ur head about how ur some genius author or actor or scientist or something when that possibility has clearly passed your life.

the thing is i totally identify with the kind of person she's describing. i'm way too old to do anything extraordinary in life, but i still feel like oh yeah i'm gonna come up with something. i'm getting better about getting over that though. honestly, u feel better when u let go of those dreams because they become like a burden sapping ur enjoyment of life after a while.

>>25314839
>lol should have done a degree u enjoyed like literature, history, philosophy
The worst part is i did cs because i enjoyed it the most :(

>>25314856
Clearly I'll never get a job programming, so according to Fuckmeat I should just get a job at the amazon warehouse with anon. Cool, very cool.

>>25314901
the book is not about getting a job, god damn dude. if u want to seethe about ur shitty career start a thread with a job book.

>>25314908
Still sounds like it's just some kraut foid seething that ze designated Handkerchiefs häbe nicht been geputten im ze appropriate Handkerchief Rezepticles und zis eez ze Pisscholologieimpassé auf die highest Ordnung

>>25314916
she just couldn't take manchildren anymore and had to btfo out them with the power of jungian woo

>>25314856
it is naive to think that everybody is going to excel in the same things, whether career wise or in terms of "having a house and a kid."

if you think there is no difference between an artist and an accountant then you have a very poor understanding of humanity

>>25314775
I don't think she would disagree that it's a societal failing, but you can't deny that being unemployed and living with your parents degrades you psychologically. The point is to get clear on what is and isn't healthy, and to stop any cycles of self-sabotage that are rooted in childish fantasy. She's not saying everybody who is financially unsuccessful is just lazy.

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>>25312756
>I’ve never felt more called out in my life.
>TLDR; RRRREEEE, MANCHILD!
So? What changed from being called out? She is just a seething roastie talking shit by writing an entire book of cringe. Not everyone can win at life. Not everyone can be financially stable and get women.
>BUT MUH PSYCHOLOGIES
I don't give a fuck. The pathology is a direct consequence that there isn't enough to go around for everyone. Cry me a fucking river when some of us do the math and find out the best way to live given our crappy hands that were dealt to us.
>t. IRL Mexican Walking Fish OG Puer Aeternus

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>>25312937
>support yourself rather than continually living off some expired pipe dream.
Tell Enron Musk that.

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>>25314775
>Can someone quote me the passage where she tells me how to get a job after I just spent four years getting a cs degree and every one of my last 100 applications were ghosted and I'm living with my parents again? Nobody ever mentions that part of the peter pan syndrome. Fucking krauts
No, because she is just a dumb bitch writing vitriol. Nevermind the fact that it is completely unrewarding and or impossible to participate in sasighety which is necessary to grow into a normal healthy adult. Yes, let's just "psychoanalyze" their dreams, tell them some vague bullshit about "traversing the fundamental fantasy" and call it a day.

>>25312756
I don't need to be reminded of this right now.

>>25312756
I buyoghted this book when the thread was made and now it has arrived

>>25315831
Congrats, you got… a Little Prince exegesis!