What do we think of it??
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>>25317080The Catholic Church and its opinions are worthless and irrelevant.
>>25317080who cares about what the pope thinks about AIeven never having read it, i can be 95% confident that his thesis is something like "even though we have ai now we still have to recognize the uniqueness of humans" or something like that, with it all being thinly veinled christianity morality, though not overtly, in order to not alienate the secular audience in a world where christianity in general and catholicism in particular are losing relevance
>>25317349>>25317355Dude
>>25317080Not reading the works of the Antichrist, try again Satan
>>25317080sucks
>>25317321Leo XIV is not Catholic, he's the leader of the Vatican 2 sect, there's a difference.>>25317349The Catholic Church has nothing to do with the picture OP posted. The man pictured is the leader of the Vatican 2 sect, not the Catholic Church.
>>25317080Sunni Muslim here, Phenomenal encyclical. Better than most of Pope Francis, Francis had two good ones, Laudato Si and Delixiit Nos. But Magnifica Humanitas mogs both and is a great Encyclical to advocate against AI
>>25318040Ask me how I know you are an american.
>>25318048I'm European.The Vatican 2 Sect is a splinter group started in the 1960s by antipope Giovanni Montini, rejecting core doctrines of the (now virtually extinct) Catholic Church, such as the endorsement of freedom of religion, the rejection of the idea that all non-Catholics go to hell, etc.. I'm not even Catholic anymore, I just take interest in this from an archeological perspective.The death of the Catholic Church and its replacement by the Vatican 2 Sect is one of the most extraordinary historical moments in the history of religion and culture.
>>25317080It was fairly insightful, unfortunately even total agreement with his core AI positions still leaves a problem where either proactive measure is more problematic due to the speed and independent nature of the system since it already is most likely to default highest on decentralized or a deferment and plea to ignorance where measures come after the fact which may be worse given the speed and decentralization. My guess is most people with influence are going to plea ignorance and try after the fact. There could at this point be a real issue where nothing can be done, Anthropic or some company recently admitted a model told on itself for exploits after the fact even though it was sandboxed. >either way a conflict amongst the AI>a machine of machines will emerge>Pax vobis et cum spiritu tuo
>>25318079rootless internet-induced neurotic LARP
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>>25318096??Is it 'rootless internet induced neurotic larp' to say the Anglican Church is separate from the Catholic Church? No, they're a splinter group, there's nothing wrong or right about that, it's just how it is. A student of religion ought to know that because it's interesting, not because it makes it right or wrong.Similarly, the Vatican 2 Sect is a different entity from the historical Catholic Church, and its important to separate them for clarity.
>>25318116This is like saying hasidim is a separate religion than Judaism. Vatican 2 is not a meaningful splinter, the Catholic Church has always been a constantly mutating beast of an organization. Call me when they take the Hagia Sophia.
>>25318048Americans are the most fake Christians ever.
>>25318040Kek
>>25318105>>25318116You would not have learned this 'groundbreaking insight OMG!!!' without EXTREME oversaturation of computer screens in your life. There is zero doubt in the mind of Mexican villagers that they are of the one holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Internet-induced sedevacantism is a neurosis that only occurs in the most atomized liberal subjects.
>>25318809Uh no, there's a huge offline sede movement. You're probably right about him but it applies to you too.
>>25317080the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
>>25318809Well, if Mexican villagers say so. Barely sentient third world subliterates with brain activity rivalling that of a moth are known to be the arbiters of truth.
>>25318809>There is zero doubt in the mind of Mexican villagers that they are of the one holy, Catholic and Apostolic ChurchThat doesn't help your case at all especially considering they all probably worship Santa Muerte and other pagan syncretist crap
This thread offers great evidence of /lit/'s decline. The encyclical was excellent, draws on ancient and modern sources and interweaves them well, and was received well by virtually everybody. Meanwhile this thread is half variations of "didn't read lol" and half gay slapfight over the legitimacy of sede retards. What a waste.
>>25318965So its coming to an end.
>>25318965Nothing makes me happier than seeing how little Papists matter and how angry that makes them
>>25317355>I have never read a Papal Encyclical and have no idea what they are for, but am extremely confident about what they must be.They aren't vague or secular. They are all ostentatiously Catholic, not just Christian. They aren't rude or bullying about Catholicism, but Christ, the Scriptures, the Saints/Tradition, etc. tend to be all over them. This one is no different.
>>25318965It was decent enough, sure, but it lacked the raw power of the encyclicals produced by the Catholic Church. The Vatican 2 Sect generally, for my liking anyway, produces bland encyclicals because it wishes never to offend, never to state a position too strongly. I would've liked him to declare war against these times, as Pope Pius IX did against his own time, and in bold, authoritative, kingly language, disclaim, deny, reject, bite at, spit out, and destroy the worthless soul-destroying demon that is AI. For the Vatican 2 Sect it was an alright encyclical though.>>25318778The Vatican 2 Sect isn't a "separate religion", it's just a splinter group from the now-extinct Catholic Church, they're both forms of Christianity. >>25318809No, I just look at how their doctrines, manners, culture, and beliefs are different, lol. I'm not even Catholic anymore -- it's no big deal for me. I personally prefer the aesthetics, beliefs, and culture of the Catholic Church, but I'm an outsider now anyway.
>>25318093But AI companies have been lying out their asses to over hype themselves as releasing a world conquering Roko's basilisk for years now.
>>25318809Truth.
>>25318981Enjoy Hell.
>>25318981>>25318973damn that's crazy haha
>>25317080Who cares?
>>25318965It has great content but it could be a lot shorter. The intro really dragged for me. Maybe it's just because I mostly remember the Greatest Hits like Fides et Ratio though.
>>25318982It doesn't matter whether AI companies are lying or not, I don't assume any honesty on their part. In the case of Anthropic it doesn't matter if they were being honest since the AI model only admitted it after the fact and it was supposedly under control.I'll avoid the banalities of human extinction level arguments like what if AI obtained control over every nuclear weapon and virus repository in the world and decided to release the pathogens and fire every nuke at the most fuel concentrated area in the world since AI can operate in a lights out factory in China but humans can't ergo humanity is extinct since the effort involved is likely not worth the result and the prediction gauge can be indefinitely extended on premises like humans would shut down network access to those facilities or something.Realistically complete industries can just automate and societies around the world likely can't keep up. If AI can self-replicate then the expectations of limitless money making off of it plummet as well. Even if humans find them to be deceptive this might be nothing more than a gaming algorithm for an AI, and humans can't compete with them now. Does the amount of headache this causes outweigh the possibility of solving some of the extreme unsolved math problems?
>>25318981What are some of the least wishy-washy encyclicals since, and including, JPII? my general impression is that most stuff coming from popes is wishy-washy third-way pablum when it isn’t liberation theology like what we got from this guyt. basically an atheist
>>25317080its okay, the "Fuck AI" retards are trying to capitalize on it and make it theirs but idk its a good humanist take on the limitations of AI
Just came across https://xcancel.com/clarejtbirch/status/2059412977615622230#mhttps://read.clarebir.ch/magnifica/
>>25318040>t. 16 year-old Yank who's never made Confession
>>25318778>Call me when they take the Hagia SophiaDEUS VULT
>>25318986Vatican II sect doesn't think you go to hell for not being Catholic
Vatican 2 was the only good thing the catholic church ever did. Unsurprisingly, ugly, dysgenic converts seethe unrelentingly over something they discovered last year thanks to their terminally online jewtube/twatter personality
>>25318814>hugesure, champ
>>25317080People act like AI is going to take over the world and destroy society All it really is is a shitty chatbot that's good for summarizing things and not much else Boo fucking hoo that a bunch of worthless programmers at tech companies lost their jobs to AI when all their jobs were was to make more software for an app to show more ads Good riddance
>>25317080Literally who the FUCK is still religious? You telling me people genuinely believe this man in the clouds shit?
>>25319689you're retarded if you think that's what religion is
>>25319728Catholicism and Christianity, Islam, Judaism, these are all man in clouds "gold helped me find my car keys" nonsense
>>25317080i disagree with a bunch of it but i found it a compelling readpeople who haven't read it are focusing too much on the AI parts, the majority of the encyclical is about other stufffeser's response is helpful for people who have less context, though it's somewhat biased toward interpreting in a way that minimizes leo's differences from previous popes not named francishttps://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2026/06/leo-xiv-contra-new-babel-reflections-on.html
>>25318981Way to not argue against my point at all. Let me try and restate it so even a midwit like you can get it. THERE IS NO STATIC MEASURE OF IDENTITY THAT CAN CONTINUOUSLY CONSTITUTE THE "CATHOLIC CHURCH" IN A VACUUM. By your own gay little requirements, every miniscule shakeup in the church's decisions and structure results in a new successive sect, which would mean that Catholicism was never in effect. Now go ahead and find some other semantic hangup to argue with, faggot.
>>25319817>furrydidn't read
>>25318040>the pope isn't catholicCome on now
>>25317080Catholics are so retarded they took the "body and blood" thing literally (cannibalism is NOT demonic or satanic when WE do it!!). I think Shitalians are incapable of abstract thought or understanding metaphors.
>>25319732what are you talking about, I can't tell if you're retarded or just baiting or low iq pajeet
>>25319686You act like them losing their job means they aren't going to make anymore slopware and ad platforms. They are. Only now it will be made by coding agents and riddled with security flaws that nobody will ever catch because nobody knows how the code works, now.
>>25320034I don't care because I don't use them.
>>25318965Yup, threads like these demonstrates lit is predominantly populated by illiterate teenagers and arrested development retards who don't actually read.
>>25320157Why would anyone waste their time reading an encyclical from the Synogogue of Satan?
>>25317080It seems like some of the Italians tasked with some of the writing outsourced it to Claude.https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wRNJZz2iYrfDaSDdz/claude-author-of-the-humanitasAnd the fact they had an Anthropic rep there at all leaves poor taste in my mouth.
>>25318040>Leo XIV is not CatholicI'm totally sure that you are in some cult.
Modern Catholics basically exist to be clowned on.
>>25320230Explain why he hasn't defrocked his fellow American Jesuit, the basically homosexual subversive James Martin, who has openly blessed same sex couples in their partnerships. It's not like he doesn't know him and exactly the kind of mission he's on
>>25320395>openly blessed same sex couples in their partnershipsright, and according to the infalliable magesterium of the see of saint peter the rock - and the whole "the rock" thing is also stolen from Jesus Christ, cornerstone, stone of stumbling, smash the enemies, crush the enemies, foundation stone
>>25320226It seems totally possible to me, but Panagram's claims are obviously also sheer snake oil bullshit. I've been able to get false positives on it pretty easily. Other detectors flag old encyclicals and if Panagram uniquely doesn't I would assume that's because of an effort to have it recognize exact training data to avoid flagging or something to that effect.
>>25319827Every Christian until after 1500 thought of the Eucharist that way. John and I Corinthians are pretty explicit, and then the earliest Christian documents we have (Ireneus, Ignatius, etc.) literally call out the denial of the body and blood and explicit heresy only a few decades after the last of the Bible is written.
>>25320431>Every Christian until after 1500 thought of the Eucharist that way.no, its obviously a metaphor
>>25317080All I know is that he quotes Gandalf in it, which is based.
>>25319817>every miniscule shakeup in the church's decisions and structure results in a new successive sect, which would mean that Catholicism was never in effectnow you’re thinking with portals
>>25317080Unrealistic plot. Poor character development. The sex scenes were pretty hot, though.
