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>>25318106
OP why did you ss your own message then make a whole thread about it,
seems pretty gay ngl

Lie nvke
>what if the robot was the most human hahaha
is all sci-fi hacks ever say

Um, actshully, Arthur C Clark said science is the same thing as magic. Checkmate racists.

>>25318106
His whole argument boils down to “new and different good, old and traditional bad” which is no argument at all. I personally prefer sci-fi too, but that anon is a certified pseud.

>>25318350
His argument is "new stuff is fresh because there will always be a new type of 'new', old and traditional is bad because it can only repeat itself"

Can we just admit that both have been slop since the very start outside a small handful of exceptions?

>>25318406
>being honest
Then it wouldn't be /lit/ now would it?

>>25318106
There clearly is quite a bit of fantasy that has an approach more similar to what this person ascribes to science fiction. Ted Chiang is one of my favourite sci fi writers and will just have what are technically "fantasy" stories in his collections along with the sci fi ones, with similar approaches and sensibilities between the two. I've only read one short story collection from him but China Mieville is also a good example of a fantasy writers who's into ideas and novelty and trying to do new-ish stuff.

I do fundamentally agree that fantasy and sci-fi are subsets of the same thing. They're both doing some variation of "what if/imagine if", where the real point is largely how these things effect people and what that says about people and the world. Its cool when a sci fi idea feels plausible but even hard sci fi is basically allowed to include magic if its interesting or necessary to make things work. Good writing rule of thumb for both genres is to remember that the story shouldn't really be about the thing, but the experiences people have with the thing. If you can't describe what the story is about in a way that centres the main character and their problems rather than the technology/magic, you're probably(not necessarily, but probably) going wrong.

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>>25318350
>>25318402
“Tradition” is not a chain of halfassed bastardized tolkien filtered through dnd and video games. You aren’t painting in the tradition of the old masters by hanging a crumpled up grainy photocopy of the mona lisa on the wall.

>>25318106
Sci-fi and fantasy both exist as subcategories of a larger category of speculative fiction. What makes sci-fi better than fantasy is not that it encompasses
a larger area than fantasy (though it does), it is the conventions and history of each genre.
Science fiction is forward thinking. It's speculative, more willing to engage with the philosophical questions and logical consequences of its premises. The first writers of science fiction explored ideas and concept which were expounded on and pushed further and further by their successors. The genre has grown larger as time goes on, not smaller. Cyberpunk is radically different from 1984, is radically different from 2001, is radically different from Lem's
works, so on and so forth.
Again, science fiction is in its subject and nature, forward thinking. Fantasy is fundamentally conservative. It is a continuation of the tradition of myths, folklore, and romanticization of the past. The first modern fantasy writers copied actual historical legends and myths. The writers that came after Tolkien, Howard, Moorcock, etc. copied them. And those writers were copied by their successors. The writers today? We're on like 5 or 6 levels of the snake eating its own tail. For any given piece of fantasy fiction, there's a
50/50 chance that the writer only consumes fantasy. It's a shame because there is nothing inherently different about the kind of stories that can be told in fantasy vs. in science fiction, but the culture and
conventions around fantasy are more likely to generate inbred pieces of shit.

Sci-fi is basically just fantasy but with future technology instead of magic.

>>25318113
straight shota?

>>25318519
Sometimes

>>25318113
self suck?

Fantasy is the good genre with bad writers while sci-fi is the bad genre with good writers. Why else would fantasy without meaning feel completely empty if it was written around anything other than meaning? An empty chest is still a chest.
Sci-fi is primarily bean counting and the meaning is incidental but bean counters can have counted enough to include both. You couldn't say a wikipedia article doesn't have what it's discussing.

>>25320743
good take. I think fantasy writers just tend to not be very smart.