Was Marx right about it or is it just woke crap?
>>25320035It was the only thing he was right about albeitfully
>>25320035>Marx Do you mean Harpo, Chico or Groucho?
>>25320035I mean yeah. He is literally just describing the process of capitalism, so it's not like he can be wrong. The workers are literally alienated from their product. It used to be the black smith made a hammer and sold you a hammer. They saw the fruits of their labor, owned them, and sold them to their neighbors. The capitalist steps in as a middleman and organizes labor such that one worker builds a handle, another a head, another assembles, they give it over to the capitalist for a wage. The capitalist then sells the hammer at a market. The worker never sees the product sold. The worker never sees his product, never sees who his product is sold to. This is alienation at its most basic ABC level. The worker is removed from tangible interaction with product and market.
>>25320464>The worker never sees his product, never sees who his product is sold to.Thank GodDon't want to deal with customer service
In a specific context sure. The problem is marxists think that means ALL alienation is caused by capitalism which is so psychologically illiterate you have to wonder how they can walk around without a personal tardwrangler
>>25320466Marx would argue that problems in customer service stem from capitalism when the customer is also so removed from labor that they fail to see commodities/business as social relations among people. "commodity fetishism" This is why you have Karens screaming at underpaid powerless workers - they are so living in a simulacra they think they are screaming at a corporation.
>>25320469>marxists think that means ALL alienation is caused by capitalismliterally no marxist outside of some kook on twitter thinks this.
>>25320478Guess you haven’t interacted with many marxists irl then
>>25320502if you're encountering actual self-professed marxists irl you're either in college or living in a 3rd world country
>>25320516Or Europe
nobody reads Marxnot twitter commiesnot tranniesand not critics
I swear we had this thread, with the exact same OP image, a few weeks ago. I have a bad feeling the exact same people as in that thread will be here, making the same arguments
>>25320537Dime a dozen for the internet. We’re all autists wasting our time in meaningless debates.
>>25320537That's all 4chan is. It's especially bad now that it's so apparent the aging millenial userbase simply isn't letting go of the contemporary issues of their time. Go to /tv/ if you want to see it in full. Just endless, reheated and re-chewed discussion about things from 15-25 years ago.
>>25320502lmao. All the hordes of Marxists you interact with IRL. okay. Are you Jordan Peterson?
>>25320474I don’t give a FUCK what “Mawx would awgue”
They love to say that. “Marx would argue.” Like they’re summoning him in a seance. As if you know what a Jew would say, think, or do.
Why are proles so hostile to Marx? He is their most tireless champion.
>>25320621>>25320625lol. ok.
>>25320035Total nonsense. Vaguely passable in an era where factory workers were making cars they couldn't personally afford or whatever. Today, totally stupid. Most people work on computers. How are you going to have an advanced society without breaking labor down into a bunch of different computer tasks?But even if he were right, it would be about nine millionth on the list of problems most people are dealing with. More than being wrong, it's irrelevant. Communists forever solving last century's problems.
>>25320474What a stupid pile of crap to come up with rather than just realizing that there are different types of people, autistic engineers, social butterflies, etc and we all have our specialty and strengths.
>>25320629Why don't commies respect the proles' wishes when they made it clear they don't want your shit? You are like libs telling black and hispanic men how they must think and act in order to let us help you.
>>25320502This isn't even anecdotal evidence, it's hypothetical anecdotal evidence
>>25320652>there are different types of people, autistic engineers, social butterflies, etc and we all have our specialty and strengths.Damn why didn't marx think of that. You're a real swole melon aren't you?I'm giving you the literal ABCs explanation here. Kapital, Marx's economic thesis on capitalism, is three volumes and 3,000 pages long. There is a famous dictum about what you're going on about, ""From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Autistic engineers can do their thing. The most basic premise of a non-alienated labor would simply be that they own what they produce. Kapital is a book of economics from the viewpoint of the worker rather than starting from the macro overview of governments. It doesn't even have anything to do with communism.
>>25320725lol bro you think even keeled well read and clearly structured points and arguments will get through a century of western ideological programming?keep at it tho
>>25320725I think we are talking past each other. Everything Marx wrote was wrong and has been falsified, but you are the one who suggested it was sad he wasn't doing customer service when clearly that's just not his personality. I know craftsmen who outsource that because they don't want to do it. It has nothing to do with any of the stupid bullshit you wrote.>>25320736Your beliefs are all over the front page of reddit, it is pathetic you consider yourself a rebel. A rebel in zero danger with zero consequences for his beliefs.
>>25320035I can’t take anyone seriously who is still a disciple of Marx in 2026. You can learn a lot about the 19th century from him and Engels but they’re really trapped in that period. Thinkers from 2000 years ago like Jesus, Buddha, and Confucius have more timeless philosophies than Marx.
>>25320753He was entirely a product of his time. He saw the misery of the working conditions in the industrial revolution and created a whole semi religious belief system around it. And then technology and society moved on and left it all in the dust and you have retards acting like the theories he came up with about assembly lines are somehow relevant today.>The working man, who barely even exists today, has it so hard! He has to sit in an air conditioned office and pretend to work while browsing the internet! He can't build stuff directly that he uses, this is surely causing him immense suffering!
