This should concern you.
I don't care about much of anything anymore.
>>25337054>this guy's interpretation differs from mind, therefore he can't read
>>25337054That totally misses the point of Tolkien’s views on nature and technology. I think he’s a narcissistic self absorbed retard.
>>25337054What a metric ton dumbass.> Tolkien knew well the tension of technology and the threat of the machine. Tolkien explains the use of magic in his mythos and how it relates to machinery. Tolkien had thought through, with great clarity, the difference between the magic of the elves and that of Mordor.> He observes that the hobbits do not understand the difference between the magic powers exercised by the elves and that of Sauron: “the Elven queen Galadriel is obliged to remonstrate with the Hobbits on their confused use of the word [magic] both for the devices and operations of the Enemy and for those of the Elves.” Tolkien says the lack of a proper word (other than “magic”) for the work of the elves portrays the same confusion in our own minds and mythologies.> He goes on to explain the difference: “Their [the elves’] ‘magic’ is Art, delivered from many of its human limitations: more effortless, more quick, more complete (product, and vision in unflawed correspondence). And its object is Art not Power, sub-creation not domination and tyrannous re-forming of Creation.”> Tolkien elucidates the dilemmas we face as technology snowballs and threatens to blow up in our face. Put simply, the magic of Mordor is the machinery of murder. It is the pursuit of power for its own sake, and perceives the natural world merely as a raw material to be exploited, distorted, and destroyed. In the films, we see this in full display as the wizard Saruman destroys Fangorn—chewing up the forest to fuel his machines of war. The realms of the Elves, in contrast, at Rivendell and Lothlorien, are havens of harmony, beauty, and peace created by elven magic.> The distinction elucidates our own continued, confused, modern relationship to technology. Do we use our increasingly sophisticated gadgetry and expanding knowledge in an elvish, creative, and artful way to bring light, beauty, and truth to the world, or do we use technology to manipulate, make money, and thus gain more power in the world?>>25337064This isn’t an argument. He got it straight fucking wrong.
>>25337054Gandalf probably brought knowledge of blackpowder to the Shire by way of his fireworks. He’s probably why the Shire has Victorian-era levels of amenities to begin with. Or not. He came across pipe smoking while visiting the Shire. It’s the south of Middle Earth that’s a backwater shithole. Bree looks straight out of the 17/18th century. Is Thiel just retarded?
>>25337074Thiel supports Sauron and Mordor, you retard. He's evil.
cant wait to see him raped and tortured in a death camp
>>25337054>Thiel>running the worldThis dude is going to prison the next time a Dem is president. Silicon Valley in general is doomed, they messed up by siding with Trump
Mordor is the corruption and ruination of artifice. The abuse of it. It drills into nature. It destroys. The elves represent the beauty of artifice. The art of it. It weaves into nature. It preserves. The Palantir was made with a noble goal in mind before it got hijacked for evil. How nature is seen, and used, is a core theme of LotR. Gandalf uses saltpetre, sulfur and charcoal to create blackpowder/gunpowder in the creation of fireworks to inspire joy and wonder and laughter. Saruman uses such explosives in the creation of bombs, for war. The wizards don’t weaponize ignorance the way Sauron does. They don’t form cults (but the two blues…) and superstition like he does. The wizards simply know things you don’t, and can do things you cannot. This isn’t really complicated. Elves are so good at art/artifice it’s angelic in seeming and appearance. It’s not magical to them (what is magic is also a point of perception; the elves look to the wizards the same way men and hobbits look to the elves). They’re more independent and don’t outsource to machines the way orcs and dwarves and humans do. Their industry is more so artistic and sincere in the sense that they poured their hearts and souls into their works.Tolkien wanted us to be more like the elves. That’s basically it. But you could argue that we’ll never be like the elves. Humans are meant to be struggle with balancing the hideousness of their ways with the beauty of their surroundings.Oh, and Morgoth/Melkor poured himself into middle-earth, making it his one ring, in effect. Nature is corrupt from the get-go. Only the innately goodly elves avoid this. Humans can tap into this corruption, for black magic, sorcery, etc, or ruinous black industry/infrastructure that bulldozes the land. Everything that humans do can be said to be tainted. It’s unavoidable. We make do with our taint. Our ruinous passions. Elven passions weren’t as such.
Turns out Tolkien was a literal sage of the past who warned us about evil tyrannical faggots like Thiel in the future
>>25337064Tolkien thought his work should be applicable to its readers. Does it apply to their life and life views? He disliked total allegory. But what Thiel is doing is just absolutely fucking warped and out of his mind.
>>25337095>We make do with our taint.heh...
To be fair Minas Tirith does look like a bleached shithole
>>25337054he literally looks like a lizard. literal subhuman.
almost as dumb as musk praising deus ex only for the writer to say musk is just like the technocrat villain kek
>>25337126He looks like a slimy dabbling second rate sorcerer not a bonafide wise wizard.
>>25337054So if you don't live in a "smart" city under mass surveillance, you're an orc or something. >>25337133Does it matter if his millions of fans are cheering for anything he says?The deep state doesn't care about minor details like voting red or blue, fanatism for a party is crips and bloods tier.
>>25337126>>25337138lizard wizard
>>25337054Wow, what a retardedly evil thing to believe. First evidence I've seen that he's malicious, thanks. The issue with this isn't "le media literacy" though, he's choosing to misinterpret just as he seems to with Girard.
you can understand tolkien's views and his intended reading of his text while simultaneously rejecting themmore people should read the last ringbearer
>if I pretend to be a dumb satanist people will always pay attention and talk about me and my company
>>25337163Didn’t Thiel assassinate his supermodel paramour bf once his (Thiel’s) husband found out? Escorted him out of the party when he showed up uninvited and then later was found dead outside his balcony. Ruled a suicide but his relatives insist it was a coverup. Or maybe it was the husband. Rich gays are like the mob I think.
>>25337166Checked.
>>25337054More proof that God is the only answer
>>25337164in fact now that i think about it for a few moments, i'm pretty sure this quote must be thiel describing the setup of the last ringbearer, not stating his own interpretation of the original work.
>>25337175Thiel is a Christian.
>>25337164>>25337179Hello Mr Thiel
Thiel is an evil sodomite who purposely misinterprets everyone from Girard to Tolkien to F. Bacon to Schmitt to justify a satanic, techno end times death cult world view.
>>25337182name one legitimate qualm against thiel that isnt>I'm scared of technology
>>25337186Gay and Jewish. And you should be corncered by anti human technological advance, retard.
>>25337191Concerned*
>>25337180Not if he organizes society on "reason and science" over Christian dictates
>>25337186he's a repulsive subhuman lizard that needs to be beheaded with a spade
>>25337074To be entirely fair, the real world is rather dramatically pushed down the path that its going down with technology by the exact same dilemma the Elves faced. In the end they had to leave or stay and be exterminated, because if you don't dominate and use your technology for power, someone else still may, and you may find yourself living in a world where you have to submit your homes and freedoms to them.As Themistocles classically stated, "The strong take what they want and the weak suffer what they must."
>>25337186No one is scared of technology they’re scared of how it’s going to get abused you fucking gaslighter. The whole point is that technology can be a lot nicer, and can look a lot nicer, and be used a lot nicer. Etc. He thinks the elves and wizards don’t represent learning and technology which is fucking hilarious.
>>25337207Well. No. You’re partially right and partially wrong. For all the reasons that >>25337095 said. The elves in the West could totally dominate the men in Middle Earth. They did before. They just don’t now. They stay in their utopia.
>25337186
>>25337181i wouldn't have needed two posts to figure out what was going on if i were thiel, because i could have just remembered when i said that and what i was talking about. instead i had to imagine under what circumstances it would make sense for someone to say that, including the minor details of phrasing where it's all treated as fact and not interpretation.i decided to chase down the original quote, which originally comes from an interview with a defunct magazine that isn't officially hosted online anywhere anymore, and i'm right:https://bsky.app/profile/takedemocracyback.org/post/3lk4u5ihzls2rjust before the quote in the OP image:>Thiel is equally enamored with Kirill Eskov's The Last Ringbearer, a retelling of The Lord of the Rings in which Sauron is a beleaguered victim and the elves are bellicosely bent on world domination.
>>25337092>This dude is going to prison the next time a Dem is presidentThat's the reason he recently moved to South America, although he claims it's because of the threat of nuclear war.tldr for zooms: bro knows he's cooked
>you just hate guns!>no, I just hate some of the people who use guns>you just hate guns!>no, I still fire my grandfather’s priceless->you just hate guns!
>>25337054>This should concern you.Why?
>>25337219Not an argument
>>25337064>mindLEARNENGLISHYOURETARDEDINDIAN
Plato in a Minute:Socrates begins his life young and confused, since he doesn't know what to do with his life he goes to the Oracle of Delphi to ask for his fate, he gets the answer: "Know thyself", as he matures, he comes upon the sum of his wisdom, and in his old age, shares it with the world: "All I know is I know nothing".See how he ends where he begins? According to Plotinus, this is the essence of the Platonic system. The one, which is the principle, beyond all knowledge and being, is that from which emanates all intellect and life, which is to say, all being, and to it shall all intellect and life return. This principle therefore surely is "All I know is I know nothing", which is the principle of all life and knowing. This principle, the one,therefore, is like the beginning of numbers in arithmetic.This "nothing" business is more complex than it seems. In "Parmenides", Plato tells us that all being is mixed with nothing. This forum exists, but formerly it didn't exist, and one day it will cease to exist. This principle of becoming envelops all of nature, the name of which literally derives from "birth" in Latin, and reality. So it isn't that Socrates knows nothing at all, it's that there's a lot of nothing to know.This skepticism likely explains why the Academics, the immediate successors of Plato, were skeptics. Despite Plotinus' pretensions however, this system likely finds itself contradicted by Aristotle from the very beginning of Platonism, for Aristotle in his "Metaphysics" says that for every one there is a being, and for every being there is a number, one. For there is one being, and each being is one.
Thiel has the trust of Yarvin, BAP, Land and Trump. That earns my respect but best of all he makes trannies seethe and that alone makes me love him
>>25337266> Yarvin, BAP, Land and TrumpYou think it's 2016 or something? All those guys sold out to zog.
>>25337277>sold outThey've always been.
>>25337235my nad. fmubled a bit.
>>25337164Retarded>>25337175This>>25337186He seems to view people as means, not ends, and differs from other great men who have done the same in that he seems to be intentionally building a world which will cement that worldview permanently. This directly contradicts Christ's words in Matthew 22:37-40: >Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. 38. This is the greatest and the first commandment. 39. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.I'm still open minded towards him a bit, but his complete disregard for human life beyond some autistic quantifiable metrics has pushed me into the anti-thiel camp. He's not particularly unique in his worldview, most people in corporate America de facto even if unconsciously think this way, he's just more active and open about itIf God wanted us to be constrained gimp NPCs he would have made us that way and never bothered with evolution or free will.
>>25337221>>25337054to sum up: OP accuses the elites of being illiterate, while himself being so illiterate he cannot even figure out which book is being discussed.
>>25337221>>25337179>>25337164damn, this is a pretty deep cut man, thanks for doing the research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_RingbearerI think its natural for a russian to take issue in the almost blatantly racist , anti-east framings in LOTR.For this homosexual jew however, where is his motivation for disdain? where is the deeper feelings? or is he just using it as a self justification for what he thinks is actualy dishonest and retarded? what do u think
>>25337284*In corporate America and, more so, Communist China
>>25337287Good morning sir
>25337228
>>25337054Well, this literal faggot took his mentor Girard who thought Catholicism was the answer to violence and basically everything, twisted his corpus and called it a day. I still don't get it how can he be talking seriously about the Antichrist in a way not directed on letting it come or win
Personally I am grateful for this thread for turning me on to the last ringbearer. seems like absolute kino and i just downloaded the english translation to read.This being said, my personal opinion is that thiel is a fag
>>25337290>For this homosexual jew however, where is his motivation for disdain?if you're a transhumanist who likes tolkien's work, you at some point have to confront the fact that tolkien would probably have hated you. reading a work that flips the themes of the story on their head can be a way of doing that.politically i'm very opposed to most of what thiel is doing, but i do share that one thing with him.
>>25337277Oh no! Anyway
>>25337308Why you think tolkien would hate transhumanists? why do you even think tiel is a transhumanist? why you think that this is the reason he took a liking to yeskov's work and not because it happened to be published in english for the first time just months before the 2011 tiel interview and being a violent and contrarian faggot found it useful to further his means?
>>25337298Thought-terminating cliche if it were an image
>>25337303I wonder if Thielf acts all super fruity and flamboyant in private, he comes off like he does.
>>25337329i dont think its even up for debate. i think homosexuals can be some of the most despicable and hypocritical men. picrel.also some of the kindest, i feel obliged to mention. very flat bell curve
>>25337064That guy's interpretation does in fact differ from that of anyone with a mind
>>25337328Truth hurts
>>25337186he has retards for fans like (You)
>>25337334True, I've known a few who are some of the nicest guys I've met. But then theres John Wayne Gacys and Thiels walking around out there.
>>25337337and that's why you prefer the taste of boot
>>25337054it concerns me that I am being ruled over by a cabal of sicko homosexuals.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpU51S26hrA&ra=m
>>25337335Sauron has a mind. Despite growing up in Africa, Tolkien hated colonialism and imperialism. He even said not to call him British, call him English, because Britain is an empire. He said if he were alive in antiquity he would have joined the barbarians in fighting against Rome, and his anti imperialism sentiments are what led him to study Germanic languages and shun the Greek and Latin his adoptive father urged him to. The books are not intended as an allegory, but obviously good and evil within them are derived from Tolkien's value system which is extremely pessimistic about invading lands and taking out their wealth under the mask of spreading progress and advancement.Thiel is questioning this value system. He is trying look at LotR from Sauron's pov and as if Sauron wrote it, because Tolkien is biased
>>25337328You know that you don't have to let the cliche terminate your thoughts, right?
>>25337351no he isn't. he is parroting a russian's value system and opinion of tolkien and sauron, which comes from a genuine place for yeskov, and from a gay place for tiel
Tolkien used to be treated as absolutely sacred here. Not anymore. This just tells you how many browns are on 4chan now.
>25337345
>>25337054your physical safety, your general wellbeing, and your very life are in far more danger from a beat cop having a bad day than from even the wealthiest and most powerful billionaire in the world. the government itself is everywhere and always the enemy of the people.
As a homosexual myself I am kind of disgusted by how gay men like Thiel and Altman are leading the charge into an infrastructural hellscape.
>>25337353a critique of one's rhetoric does not imply that one had succumbed to its intended effect
the inmates are running the asylum
>>25337387
>>25337054The correlation between Tolkien-fags and chud kikeslaves has never been more obvious. Throw in some BAP or Yarvin and you have the most grotesque and awkward gay orgy to ever curse the four concrete walls of a Tel-Aviv bunker.
>>25337395I both post and look like this
>>25337351Tolkien was a hippy who thought progress and advancement, and as such science and technology, should look nicer and be more respectful toward nature. He isn’t wrong. His mistake is assuming humans could ever be respectful to each other as well as nature. He wants humans to be like the elves when humans (at least in our trajectory of time) will never be like the elves. Our industries will always look hideous and ruinous and terrifying to those unaccustomed to it, in contrast with the beautiful industries of the elves which enchants and bedazzles and bewilders the unaccustomed. Elves make beautiful things innately. Humans do not. That’s basically it. Tolkien was coping about humans. He didn’t want to accept that humans are by nature prone to destroying and disrespecting nature. I do agree that 99.99% of what humans build could look a lot nicer.
>>25337054It's not about literacy skill. He is very well aware that Mordor is evil, everything he and his ilk represent. But in order to disuade certain people onto his side, he has to coopt and put it on the side of everything marxists liberals like (le science and technology) against what they hate (tradition and culture). It's really no different from women who claim that they descend from witches who weren't burn at the stake.
>>25337404Denounce Vishnu.
What are the Italian Hobbit-campers' views on this?
>>25337408wow, a subversive fag? i've never head of anything like this
>>25337404SAAAR
>>25337410What? Why? I’m not even brown. If I were brown I would probably kill myself.
>>25337414>You’re Indian if you support TolkienUm it’s the other way around. Or are you the kind of anon who just sows confusion by responding to random posts with ‘saar’?Tolkien isn’t wrong btw. Human genetics is fucked and we’re closer to orcs than elves. Especially Indians. White people are like orc-elves.
Is it even possible for machines and tools to look prettier? I feel like they’d rust regardless. Get covered in ash and tar. Etc. Everything will look like Mordor eventually…
Mordor.
>>25337420You just have a very midwit ESL interpretation of him, I'm assuming you've only read tertiary literature
Apparently it’s pretty much harder for an elf to be wicked than a human, but when an elf is wicked they are wicked beyond men’s wickedness. Can do more wickery.
>>25337427>THIS IS WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US
>>25337432So you’re saying that Tolkien didn’t think we should respect nature more. Okay.
>>25337415>>25337420>refuses to denounce vishnuSAAAAAAR
J.R.R. Tolkien’s Elves are not inherently immune to evil; they possess free will and can commit profound atrocities. However, their inherent proximity to the divine and deep understanding of the world mean they usually require stronger passions, like immense pride or grief, to be led astray.Most elves detested all evil and were usually more resistant to being corrupted than Men, unless evil tricked them with fair form, or incited their worst passions. Elven work harmed evil, like lembas and the Elven rope that brought pain to Gollum's skin. They were susceptible to greed, pride and jealousy, as exemplified by the story of the House of Fëanor, or the jealous and unjustified hatred of Saeros toward Túrin. Elves left human children to starve to death in the forest.All of Eru's creations have free will and have the ability to do evil if they choose to do so. Elves are just much less prone.
>>25337444Fuck Vishnu then I guess? Is that the blue skinned one? I have absolutely zero familiarity with Buddhism.
>>25337455>Elves left human children to starve to death in the forest.Typical fae
>>25337179You can't possibly be claiming that the commie quoting his enemy's words might have done so out of context?
>>25337441No: I'm saying you're sub 115 IQ, uncultured, and ignorant.
>>25337474K.
Are people actually defending Thiel here? This board is fucking disgusting. I might just leave it forever.
>>25337496There's nothing to defend. He hasn't done anything wrong
>>25337496imo he is a high level warlock fueled by twink seed but fuck off pussy ass bitch
>>25337404Tolkien recognized the flaws of human nature. That's a big theme in his books and the whole reason why the One Ring is so dangerous. He was a devout Catholic who believed that only through God's grace can humanity be saved. If he had been an atheist humanist, then it would've been coping.
>>25337556this desu; you've reminded me of those posts about these dudes' girlfriends who hate Boromir and don't understand the point of him or whatever
>>25337556>If he had been an atheist humanist, then it would've been coping.
>>25337556>>25337572Recognizing the flaws is one thing, but wanting something unfeasible is another. Humans will never be elves, and aliens should just glass us to oblivion, honestly.Tolkien was wise but hopeful. The human species is absolute garbage. Sorry anon.
>>25337556Wrong. Take one look at India. To survive this world we HAVE to cope. The good is outnumbered by all the evil and disgust.
