It's because it's a shit system. But don't worry, once society is too dumb to maintain complex systems such as the internet and telecommunications, the globalized psychosis will end. You just have the unfortunate fortune to have been born just in time to suffer this transitional time.

>>25338344
Two More Weeks!

>>25338344
back in 2020 i found myself totally dumbfounded by how quickly things went south. i had always expected some kind of techno-dystopia but i never thought it could happen in a matter of weeks. i've been waiting for the other shoe to drop ever since

The trend of edgy Catholics saying the West has fallen has already kind of burnt itself out. Im sorry but I can't take American Catholics seriously.

>>25338676
the pope is a lib from chicago idk what kind of weird cope conservative catholics use to get through their larp

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>>25338344
>Critiquing liberalism from a liberal perspective

>>25339057
It's not a chud book but the replies in these threads only ever read the title. /lit/ is retarded

>>25338676
American Catholicism is all but dead. Most trads are just larpers

Why do people keep saying X ideology failed when all the "failed" ideologies fail for the same reason? It's not the failing of certain social aesthetical ideals but the power dynamics of civilisation itself.

>>25339061
It's not a chud book which is partly the problem. There are alternatives to liberalism both right and left but deneen's critique is as His Majesty's Loyal Opposition

>>25338668
>back in 2020 i found myself totally dumbfounded by how quickly things went south.
Because you had to work from home for a couple of week? Give me a fucking break.
I treated it like a two week vacation and drank screwdrivers all day, truly a technocratic nightmare.

>>25339057
this is literally all that anyone in the 21st century does and it's why nothing gets better

>>25339144
>The only people who like totalitarianism are low IQ alcoholics
Kek

>>25339383
Most things, excepting a few critically important ones, have gotten better

>>25339404
>being suggested to work from home is TYRANNY
if everyone treats you like a drooling retard, maybe you are in fact a drooling retard

>>25339405
The average person does not share your opinion.

>>25338676
The current Pope is North American. Its time to log off.

>>25338679
The only thing that Catholics are generally against is racism. Being anti-gay and anti-feminist is just Catholicism 101. But racism is sinful.

Is it time for Acid Communism yet?

>>25338549
Liberalism lost around 2021 in case you haven’t talked to people recently. The average person is socially conservative nowadays. Men under 30 are overwhelmingly conservative.

>>25339975
>Acid Communism
only western (pseudo)commies think that's feasible. actual communism is boringly square.

>>25339992
>liberalism
>conservatism
Not mutually exclusive.

>>25339913
Because they're retarded and brainrotted by social media doombait, you clearly are as well. If not, enumerate in detail what's worst today than it was 40+ years ago. And remember that I already mentioned that a small number of important things have gotten worse.

>>25340171
>enumerate in detail what's worst today than it was 40+ years ago.
demographics
birthrates
home ownership rates
average IQ
also depending on the country, crime rates

>>25340165
This. Only LARPers of conservatism/traditionalism hate liberalism. Liberalism IS the Western tradition. Those who deconstruct liberalism in the name of conservatism use the form of tradition to destroy the content.

>>25340223
I don’t care about the content I care about the form. If Marxists bring back the Greco-Roman architecture, Classics, and pre-Internet gender relations I’ll be Marxist

>>25340251
And you'll deserve it.

>>25338344
I know it's just chuds trying to force a narrative, but no, liberalism hasn't failed. The exact opposite is true. Trump, MAGA and Putin have so decisively proven that liberalism is the only ideology worthy of Man it's downright impressive. All doubts have disappeared - everything right wing needs to be fully cauterized and thrown into a fire. The abysmal failure of right wing ideology made flesh in the last three years is so staggering that it reaffirms the intrinsic value of liberalism. It's worth fighting and dying for, all other systems are harmful and detrimental to the species.

same anon or same bike? you decide

Liberalism is eternal.

>>25339992
>average person is socially conservative nowadays.
Source: my ass
And also
>conservatism
So..two more weeks?

>>25340402
>>25340448
I know that you think typing these things makes them true but rather than hollow cope like yours the rise of conservative dispositions since 2021 has been pretty objectively visible and seems to be growing pretty exponentially. If you remember how twitter looked before 2021 vs. now it’s pretty stark, and twitter is a pretty fair representation of the collective unconscious. Young men particularly are definitely very socially conservative. Again idk if you’re just turning your eyes pretending not to see it, but it’s definitely happening. If you want to split hairs over “erm that’s not the type of liberalism I’m talking about” or whatever that’s fine, it still doesn’t change the reality of the zeitgeist.

>>25339065
My friend is married and goes to mass weekly. What are you doing with your life?

>>25339975
Heavens no. Mark Fisher is the literal antichrist.

>>25338344
>Patrick J. Deneen
Let me guess, he is a tradcath, and the alternative to liberalism that he proposes is some kind of distributist bullshit?

>>25339057
>from a liberal perspective
Looks like it advocates Catholic social teaching. The milquetoast shit that has been defeated and subverted by jew liberalism time and time again.

Francis fukuyamas the end of history has been vindicated by the failures of Russia, China, Orban, Bolsonaro and the US under Trump.

It shows the only way to win is to be a liberal democracy and every attempt to move away from liberal democracy (like trump is doing) is bound to end in failure.

This means that in the future all systems will be liberal democracies simply to be able to compete on the geopolitical arena.

Imagine how strong China and Russia could have been if they were liberal democracies. There would be no way for the west to compete with them.

>>25340625
wise poster is wise

>>25340530
>explains the overton window.
Okay anon.

>>25340625
>It shows the only way to win is to be a liberal democracy and every attempt to move away from liberal democracy (like trump is doing) is bound to end in failure.
Not to point out the obvious, but all that proves is that socio-political change isn't stably reversible, which should have been obvious to anyone with more than half a brain. It doesn't prove liberal democracy is the final form of human society or something.

It's also completely possible that there isn't a final form and society is cyclic and the problem with those attempts were that they were fighting the direction of the cycle.

>>25340625
>>25340719
[...] the world has other and greater interests than those of merchandise. Its affairs do not follow the whims of the economic sect. Higher motives than the views of duty and having preside over the perpetual changes that have occurred in the social importance of large cities are an irrefutable demonstration of this truth, which the pretentious pronouncements of economic theorists cannot touch. Nothing is more detestable than credit, in which we see a so-called science which, from a few general observations applied by the common sense of all positive Aryan eras, has managed to extract, while trying to give it a dogmatic cohesion, the greatest and most dangerous practical ineptitudes; which, by seizing all too easily the trust of a public susceptible to the influence their sequipedalia verba, rises to the disastrous role of a true heresy by presuming to dominate, to scold, to bend religion, laws, and customs to its own ends. Basing all of human life, and likewise the life of nations, on those words that have become cabalistic in its schools—"produce" and "consume"—it calls honorable what is merely natural and just: the labor of the worker, and the word "honor" loses all the sublimity of its original meaning. It makes private economy the highest of virtues, and by extolling the advantages of prudence for the individual and the benefits of peace for the State, devotion, public loyalty, courage, and intrepidity become almost vices according to its maxims. This is not a science, for its narrow foundation is the most wretched denial of man's true and most sacred needs. It is the merit of a miller and a spinner, displaced from his humble station and offered up for the admiration of empires.

>>25340945
*Higher motives than duty and having preside over [...]
** The perpetual changes ....

>>25340945
>sequipedalia verba
stopped reading here

>>25340530

*Yawn*
Wake me up when they repeal the 19th

>>25340402
Both Trump and Putin are liberal faggots.

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>>25340402
any sort of populism is the same

If you can't agree to
>respect rule of law and democratic proceduralism
>disavow political violence
>argue from reason and empiricism

there is basically nothing for us to talk about and you are outside the realm of acceptable discourse. this is basic common sense and no reasonable person could disagree with this.

>>25341209
>respect rule of law and democratic proceduralism
Dumb. Those things are only deserving of their respect where and when they are useful, same as any other tool, and must be set aside when they aren't. There is a reason jury nullification is a thing.
>disavow political violence
Dumb. Illegitimate political violence should be met with legitimate political violence. Not doing that is how we got Trump 2.
>argue from reason and empiricism
Dumb. People are fuckwits. You should come to your positions from reason and empiricism, but argue for them through whatever most effectively sways others to your side. Not understanding that is how we got Trump 1.

>>25340607
Can't believe an economic system burns your ass like that.

>>25340685
The Overton window shifting is definitely a part of the larger phenomenon at hand yeah. But I’m more so talking about what’s downstream of that since that’s already finished happening.

>>25341812
Who knows what's in store.

>>25340402
Trump is the leader of liberalism. He was democratically elected. MAGA is a liberal movement with authoritarian LARP aesthetics. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Shut the fuck up.

>>25342919
Hitler was democratically elected. According to your requirements the Nazi Party and Hitler are the leaders of liberalism.

You have no idea what you are talking about and Trump is literally a part of the movement termed "illiberal democracy" by victor orban.

>>25342928
>Hitler was democratically elected
Hitler was appointed. By the conservatives. Who were democratically elected.