Every political ideology, every religion, every conflict, all history, all the hatreds of the human heart, can be solved by antinatalism. Antinatalism is the final salvation that you were looking for in Jesus, or communism, or fascism, or Islam, or whatever else, but it's real.
anti-natalists please kills yourselves already if you believe your preaching, or don't waste our time with this vacuous nonsense.
>>25339664by that reasoning they should also kill loads of other people before anheroing. you didnt think this through.
>>25339659Stick to a single image you're shitting up my filters. Or come back with interesting antinatalists at least rather than whatever reddit nonsense you picked up.
>>25339669they can kill as many people as they like so long as they start with themselves
>>25339664It's about human extinction not the extinction of an individual
>>25339674>circular reasoning works because
>>25339659Based and correct.
There are so many of you, I didn't expect it. What can one man do for his own ideology but a little part? If each of you put one brick onto the house of human extinction you may not see the finished project, but at least we wouldn't have to hear you whining about existence.
Of all the ways people want to escape life, some of which were listed in the title, this is by far the most pathetic. If you're so mortified by the fact of existence that you have to run away and escape it, go and escape, we won't stop you. I personally think life is excellent, and that anyone who isn't of that opinion themselves is an abject loser.
>>25339659>Antinatalism is the final salvationAs such, Benatar is the ultimate proof you should have kids, to raise them to spread the gospel of antinatalism.
>>25339697>THERE ARE DOZENS OF US
>>25339664Fpbp lol
I honestly think humanity is undergoing a critical evolutionary event right now. So many humans are quitting the gene pool by their refusal, or inability to reproduce.Fertility rates are falling. Social isolation is on the rise. Faggots, trannies, incels and anti-natalists are becoming a plague. The population of Earth is about to crash, and only those determined to propagate their genes will have a stake in the future.And this comes not a moment too soon. There are far too many humans on the planet. It's got to the point where they're affecting the climate, and crowding out other species to the point of extinction.If you're familiar with Gaia Theory, it all seems positively spooky. It's like some hidden agent is acting to protect the planet from us, and reduce the human population to a maintainable level.
>>25339674That would be rather inefficient. The islamists have perfected a methodology and tradition of political action would could and logically should appeal to any other destructive militants.
>>25339677It just does
Antinatalism is a way of blaming the exploited class for their own misery
Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder
>>25339764This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?
>>25339764Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.
These threads are always made in bad faith
>>25339659that's cool but I'm not paying $40 for a single book
>>25339722zeus just needs to cook up another trojan war
>>25339659same set up>>25339764>>25339766>>25339767same punch linemost obvious samefag strawman thread and its constantly just being remade over and over again while janny does nothing
>>25339659>IslamMan-made laws have failed us I think that Sharia is our last solution
>>25339659>PLEASE NO DON'T GET GIRLS KNOCKED UP PLEASE NO DON'T IMPROVE SOCIETY JUST DON'T BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO IT PLEASE BRO THE WORLD IS HELL AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP IT PLEASE BRONah, imma slam mad puss no rubber.
Antinatalism presupposes materialism.
Antinatalism is as true as it's unpractical. What do?
>>25339841>antinatalists get BTFO in every thread>IT'S A FALSE FLAG!!Lol, cope.
>>25339907>Nah, imma slam mad puss no rubber.Based. https://youtu.be/XfQzll6ggCw
>>25339676According to anti-natalist logic suicide is the logical conclusion, not the extinction of humanity. Does the pleasure of spreading anti-natalism outweigh the plain of existing? And if death is a complete cessation of your existence what possible justification could an anti natalist have to keep living? Of course they'd rather remain alive to spread their death cult onto other people like a virus.
>>25340494The pain of existing?
I saw the tears of the oppressed— and they have no comforter;power was on the side of their oppressors— and they have no comforter.And I declared that the dead, who had already died,are happier than the living, who are still alive.But better than both is the one who has never been born,who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.
Antinatalism collapses when you introduce metaphysics into the equation.What if there's reincarnation? We become animals, who - if evolution is correct - will presumably eventually evolve into sapient life too. What, then, do we do about animal life? Kill them all? Do we exterminate all life even though it all seems quite happy existing?What if there's extraterrestrial or hyper-dimensional lifeforms? Do we also try and kill them to stop the prospect of reincarnation? But how exactly do we go about exterminating incorporeal life?Taken to its logical conclusion, antinatalism necessarily must become a genocidal death cult determined to extinguish all life everywhere.
>>25339659Benetar is a coward because while he is obviously right about the unworthiness of this existence, his public message is carefully neutered so as to stay within the limits of law and public morality. Hardly anybody in developed nations today wants to have children, so telling them it's immoral is just confirming them in their choices. However his own reasoning taken honestly on board should lead us to conclude that mercy killings and suicide are both morally praiseworthy. But he can't say that because then he wouldn't get invited onto radio shows, wouldn't be able to debate Jordan Peterson, wouldn't have his teaching position.>>25339664Killing yourself isn't psychologically satisfactory because you know this hell of an existence will continue and the deformed human spirit will live on. It is only a universal liquidation resulting in a total silence, with the human story reduced to nothingness and forgotten and never whispered again, that gives me peace.>>25339702You don't think life is excellent, and even on the off chance you did, your personal idiotic blissful happiness isn't worth pandering to.>>25339722Because the more humanity become self-aware and languid, the less time is needed to spend on mindnumbing physical labour which blocks the possibility of introspection, the more we realise this life is not worth propagating. It is only the very dumb that reproduce today -- something the eugenic types like Elon Musk always warn about.
>>25340797>What if there's reincarnation? We become animals, who - if evolution is correct - will presumably eventually evolve into sapient life too. What, then, do we do about animal life? Kill them all? Do we exterminate all life even though it all seems quite happy existing?Animals live a much better existence than we do.
>>25339664fpbp
>>25341201That's my point. So what do we do if evolution nonetheless results in animal life becoming sapient life? Do we kill all animals to spare potential future sapient beings the same fate?
>>25341244I think that's more in the Efilist territory because it condemns consciousness as a whole not just the human experience
>>25341244>That's my point. So what do we do if evolution nonetheless results in animal life becoming sapient life? Do we kill all animals to spare potential future sapient beings the same fate?I love animals so I can't sign off on that, to me human consciousness is a mistake
>>25341198>isn't psychologically satisfactory because you know this hell of an existence will continue and the deformed human spirit will live on.What? According to anti-natalists when you die it's light out, so you won't even be able to ponder on how unsatisfying the fact humanity continues on. If it's better to not be than be then the obvious conclusion is suicide, not come up with mental gymnatistics for why you need to keep on living to spread your death cult. Why would you need everyone to die for you to be at peace when you can just end it and not every worry again?
>>25341198>It is only the very dumb that reproduce todayNo, it's the virile and the fertile. However dumb they may be, their genes are certainly smarter than yours.
>>25341914They used to parrot Benatar's line about not killing themselves being the same as sitting through a show they don't like because they're already there. People made fun of them over the ridiculous disproportion of comparing the supposed terror of existence and the weight of suicide with not liking a movie so they stopped. They also stopped posting gore because people pointed out it underscored their perverse fascination with violence/misery and served as evidence they have personality disorders.
>>25341263>to me human consciousness is a mistakeBased on your own experience, and then irrationally extrapolated to all of humanity, backwards and forwards? Perhaps the problem is you, and not humanity.
>>25342037I think based on the amount of damage caused to the inhabited planet coupled with the amount of idiotic conflicts that are still ongoing you can easily debate the human consciousness is a failure. The consensus is basically that we all hope it will go somewhere great but it will not happen in our lifetime. It will just get increasingly more careless until it destroys itself anyway.All you can do is argue that you already do not give a shit by living whatever you think is worthwhile. Not the greatest argument for procreation but good enough I guess. It feels like a very lukewarm sort of existence just for the sake of it until everything goes to shit for the future generations.
