From the book Fidel Castro: My Life>The solutions put forth by imperialism are the quintessence of simplicity...When they speak of the problems of population and birth, they are in no way moved by concepts related to the interests of the family or of society...Just when science and technology are making incredible advances in all fields, they resort to technology to suppress revolutions and ask the help of science to prevent population growth. In short, the peoples are not to make revolutions, and women are not to give birth. This sums up the philosophy of imperialism.>What has Capitalism resolved? It has solved no problems. It has looted the world. It has left us with all this poverty. It has created lifestyles and models of consumerism that are incompatible with reality. It has poisoned the waterways. Oceans, rivers, lakes, seas, the atmosphere, the earth. It has produced an incredible waste of resources.>What model has capitalism given the world to follow? An example for societies to emulate? Shouldn’t we focus on more rational things, like the education of the whole population? Nutrition, health, a respectable lodging, an elevated culture?>The working class is the creative class; the working class produces what material wealth exists in a country. And while power is not in their hands, while the working class allows power to remain in the hands of the bosses who exploit them, in the hands of the landlords, the speculators, the monopolies, and in the hands of foreign and national interest groups, while armaments are in the hands of those who service these interest groups and not in their own hands, the working class will be forced to lead a miserable existence no matter how many crumbs those interest groups should let fall from their banquet table.It should be noted that Cuba has a higher literacy, better numeracy and lower infant mortality than America despite having the same racial demographics of slavery. They train doctors for free for impoverished countries like Palestine. All this despite Cuba's own impoverishment from the embargo
>>25340514I don't think the two are correlated and if so, only tangibly. The increase of property acquisition would inherently imply the increase of more producers, the only reason for the reduction of human life is the suppression of revolutions (he has a point there). The less people there, the less of a chance there will be enough people to rise up and challenge the status quo. But since the acquisition of land and property implies greater increase in producers to handle such things, the chance of revolution becomes greater. The point is simply to allow the acquisition of property to be roughly equivalent to the amount of people in a given jurisdiction, any kind of major offset to this arrangement leads to greater chances of revolutionary violence.
>>25340546Unless property acquisition is not really about property production
Its funny how unfailingly idealistic communist literature is
>>25340514Population-control isn't antinatalism. There's nothing about antinatalism here.
>>25340569>can we invest in human development instead of living satanic shitland?>how naïve, how ridiculously idealistic and aspirational
>>25340586Precisely. Although I wouldn't call it ridiculous.
>>25340586Nice reducto ad absurdum
If Castro ever believed in a real Satan, he believed it was physically walking around on Earth and its name was Ronald Reagan.
>>25340514Have you ever been to Cuba? Have you met anyone that's lived there? My wife was born in a small Cuban village, and lived there until she was about 10 years old.Make no mistake; Cuba is a total shit hole. They may have doctors, but they have no medicine. Their electric grid is entirely unreliable. Grocery stores with empty shelves and streets with craters for pot holes.You cannot blame the United States for the ails and poverty of this workers' paradise. The whole nation is propped up by remmitances from the US family members which are then stolen by the communists, but you already knew that.You already knew that communists are liars with no supreme higher motive. No, they just want to steal your shit. They can add window dressing, and boy do they love to, but they cannot hide that plain simple truth.
>>25340720There was a recent article on Cuba in foreign affairs by a military officer >American sanctions have played an enormous role in the country’s devastation, and recovery is impossible while they remain in place, at least in their current form.https://www.foreignaffairs.com/cuba/day-after-cubahttps://archive.li/AuoqkThis is not even a pro Cuba article, it is an article about how America can approach Cuba to exert more controlThis is from a foreign policy expert writing on American interests for the most influential foreign policy publication of America for a hundred years
Fidel Castro on why you should just try being attractive instead of trying so hard the movie the remaster the thread
books like this are all ghostwritten right
>>25340569It really feels like communists are doing everything they can to cope with the actual consequences of technology by blaming it all on an eternal boogeyman
>>25340569>>giving wealth back to the working class leads to more children>this is idealistic communist garbage, another 5 billion to israel
>>25340733>Can trade with every other nation in the world.>But not trading with The Great Satan somehow makes Cuba completely impoverished even though her sons and daughters send home plenty of USD every month for the communist party to pilfer. Communism is the problem, not trade sanctions. My in-laws were living in Cuba during the Cold Ware and they'll tell you that it wasn't much better then.
>>25340751Any ship that trades with Cuba is prohibited from American ports for several months which in practice cuts off Cuban trade from most of the world
>>25340756Nothing you've said actually refutes what I said. Cuba can trade with everyone else. They can even trade all sorts of things with the US like medicine and food, but because they cannot buy Ford pickup trucks they're broke?Find someone else to drink your piss, because I won't.
>>25340569"idealistic" is always the accusation hurled at people that do not accept the world as it currently is. How dare you not bow your head down and accept the blows like the rest of us?
>>25340514>It should be noted that Cuba has a higher literacy, better numeracy and lower infant mortalityNone of this is true. Also: Trump and Rubio are in the process of dismantling their regime. Say bye-bye!
>>25340747wealthier workers are less likely to reproducethere's nothing wrong with not wanting to have useless incel neet children in 2026
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>>25340514Grim.
>>25340514>>The working class is the creative class;Production =/= creativity. The working class is famously indifferent to art and culture.
>>25341186It's actually funny reading OP, when the truth is commies heavily encourage people to get sterilized in Cuba.
>>25340770>the country is heavily sanctioned>nothing you've said actually refutes what I said?
>>25340569The caliber of responses to this post is both very sad and very funny.Seeing the self-reported ages of posters in the other thread was enlightening.Keep learning and keep your minds open, young'ns.
>>25340514I used to be friends with a Cuban family; the parents had been educated in Yugoslavia. They were intelligent, well-read, and based overall, they were also excellent cooks. That's all I have to contribute.
>>25341195>the country is heavily sanctioned>by one country>even then they can still trade with it, but just not high technology and financial services.
>>25340514>It should be noted that Cuba has a higher literacy, better numeracy and lower infant mortality than America despite having the same racial demographics of slaveryNone if this is true btw
>>25341204>by one country>can still tradeYes, THE USA. Are you not aware of geopolitical significance USA holds? Its ability to project power? And trade what? Even the fucking cigars are banned.You think any wannabe-get-rich-quick entrepreneur wouldn't jump at the opportunity to profit-rape such a goods starved market? You think USA will just stand by and watch if someone gets a bit too friendly with Cuba? Like, c'mon.... Even if it's not explicitly put in Ink, just the general attitude USA holds has a lot of weight, especially for countries THAT CLOSE to it.
You have little idea what it is like. You North American lefties are cute, nice, well-intending; I have mingled with you and I genuinely have not met cooler people than blue hairs here. That said, you’re nu-lefties, you dig avant garde art and preach Frankfurt school leftism, being friends with you feels like being in the café with de Beauvoir or Camus just being all sexy. But latam leftism is nothing like this, it’s banditos on horses, killing minorities and gay people, it’s subverting Catholic doctrine for your ends, endless regimes held up through torture carried out by illiterates. Revolutionaries there aren’t idealistic because they’re content with not getting to gay space luxury communism, no, they just want to bring everyone down to their level of poverty. You fags don’t know shit.T. Actual hispanic
>>25341222>Oh no! We cannot sell luxury good to Americans! We're going to starve!.You're talking to a man that's married to an actual Cuban, buddy. You're talking to a man that sees what the COMMUNISTS do to Cuban people every day. Everything you're talking about is a nice theoretical exercise, but where the rubber meets the road it's a very different story. The communist party in Cuba jails people for speaking against it. The communist party enriches the elite at the expense of average Cubans. The communist party must go.
>>25341223>>25341232This reads like a longer form of the worst updoot bait from millennial nu-right e-celeb xitter ten years ago
>>25341223>T. Actual hispanicT. Race traitor*
>>25341240Do you have anything to actually add, or are you just going to tell us how great things are in Cuba and how if they're not actually great, they're the fault of the United States?
>>25341246I don't debate
>>25341245Haha that’s a first. I think you are the coon, adapting an ideology made in EUROPE applied to control drug cartels ran by Mexicans, supplied by Chinese and FINANCED and ARMED by gringos but sure I’m a race traitor last time that happened the peoples of Mesoamerica stopped getting their hearts ripped out by the Nahuas. ¡Nacazo, I bet you travel the world whining about being a poor little victimized indio when in reality it’s you or your papitos ruining the towns!
>>25341232>>25341246>Do you have anything to actually addYou aren't engaging with any arguments. YOU aren't adding anything. The "lunchbreak talk" about "government bad" is midwit drivel.
civil race wars on my /lit/!?
>>25341271"Engaging" to a leftist just means you keep talking until you agree with them.
>>25341078Just bring back arranged marriages where the man picks
>>25341284And a caste system. These two together are the recipe for a perfect society and an ideal race
>>25340905That is not what I'm doing. Making your own way in the world is based. its the methods I'm criticizing as idealistic. Communists live in total lala land when it comes to brass tacks. not to say their idealism is bad, or that anyone (ie fascists) are any less idealistic, nothing of the sort. It simply amuses me greatly how 100% of communist literature I've seen reads like, they're describing omelas while ignoring the kid being raped in the basement
>>25341289That's actually exactly how capitalists sound to me
>>25341290> or that anyone (ie fascists) are any less idealistic, I just read through Peter Thiel's published essays from 2007-2025 in order to more accurately shitpost on the gandolf thread that's on the catalog right now, and let me tell you, i'll take a kumbaya rose-glasses-wearing commie's prose over his violent cocaine-fueled nonsense any day. But notice how every commie reply to >>25340569 utilizes fallacy and is utterly seething over me accurately pointing out that their shit is idealistic? Flak over target. >>25340569. basically there are ways to oppose what you rightly see as the retardation of the world without falling for the german idealismus shitpost called communism
>>25340569>dialectics...man>the world of forms lmao
>>25341325Because Marxism is not idealistic, at least not in any immediate sense, and itself criticizes "utopianism" relentlessly. "Idealistic" is always meant as disagreeing with capitalist anthropology of humanity as engaged in a war of "all against all", itself reinforced by a pseudo-Darwinism that understand evolution and biology as atomized individuals and evolution driven by their conflict, when obviously complex life arises through organisms cooperating in sophisticated ways. The capitalist anthropology, which exists to justify capitalist enshittification, is presupposed, as implied hy terming disagreement as "idealistic"
>>25341240Sure bro, I’m a cheugy race traitor, but one that’s not going to get totally assfucked given the chance to take my ideals to their final possible conclusion. You on the other hand probably think Maduro, Bad Bunny and Sheinbaum are badasses, when their average supporter would ruin your day before you can finish rapping the latest discourse you and your friends came up with. I was being sarcastic, blue hairs may or may not be fine people but would forsure not last long around chavistas or whatever the fuck. And I’m not talking your guerrilleros, random ass commie bookstore types are already full of hate for you.
>>25341356"Cooperating" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
>>25341370The entire language we are using comes from cooperation, language would be impossible otherwise, let alone writing.
>>25341378>Because we speak language, we therefore cooperate, and thus communism is the true end of human society.Its funny how unfailingly idealistic communists are.
>>25341378Nta but no. That’s consensus, reality, however incomplete the human grasp of it may be is empirically determined with no ideological contingence but if you think that’s a matter of opinion prove me wrong without stating your opinion
>>25341382The reality is that we use language. Agree, or disagree?
>>25341381Fox News tier strawman
>>25341399Teenagers huffing farts and engaging in pointless sophistry call me names because I disagree with them. I can live with this
>>25340905Idealism is when you view the world through rose coloured glasses.
>>25341397Not in the same way, misunderstandings exist even among likeminded people of the same culture and language origins. You’re presupposing that there is an inherent non-logical reason for attributing a given signifier word to something, which is presumptuous to do in a reality that is not fully unknowable. Hegel’s end of history is every idea coming to its farthest conclusion in practice but who is to say practice is the same as theory?
>>25341416Not fully knowable* corrected there.
>>25340514>. It has poisoned the waterways. Oceans, rivers, lakes, seas, the atmosphere, the earth. It has produced an incredible waste of resources.Ironic considering the ecological damage that communist regimes did in Asia. Aral Sea in particular.
>>25341420Mexican jungles too, tren maya has polluted cenotes, displaced local people living there and has caused deforestation to places that were already healing.
Ah yes because communism was so great for society and fertility...>famines>purges>one child policy>malnutrition is the norm due to shortages of everythingCapitalism is so bad for fertility that capitalist countries saw the largest baby boom in recorded history occur in their countries, it's so awful and evil that millions of people migrate to capitalist countries every year to escape their perfect socialist utopias.
>>25340514>Cuba is doing so great, this is why it's going to fold and become a Casino for Americans withoutt a fight
>>25341411That isn't name-calling.
>>25341416No, I am assuming that language is an extremely useful tool and the basis for individual identity and that it arises by and for sophisticated social cooperation.
Leftists btfo thread lmao. WE ARE CHARLIE KIRK!!!!!
>>25341472Ok fair but this Tower of Babel thought experiment you’re going for still presupposes interest in such cooperation. Homie, it’s hard enough being in a band, usually there’s management and shared interest in the goodies that come with being in a band, working a job, maintaining appearances, etc. As a materialist (which I’m assuming you are) you have to realize that the abstract notion that would feed cooperation works initially, yes, but decays over time. I can’t tell you why, but it seems entropy is a sort of multiplicity, or erosion who knows if I’m not eve being overly metaphoric but you get the idea. Otherwise yes you would be entirely wrong, but you’re only half right.
>>25341482Competition decays more over time because its most efficient form is zero sum. This is why, when you have pure capital, pure competition, without labor, say a poker game or financial markets, there is no creation of wealth, no increasingly complexity. They actually have by far the highest profit margins. And frankly I don't see them as any more "gambling" than other forms of competition in capitalism wherein the loser is defeated and goes out of business. But it gets worse because optimal competition actually incentivizes destroying the wealth of others if it improves one's edge. This is why capitalism paradoxically now not only never invests in human development, it actively undermines it, from banning literacy of slaves in America, to bombing schools in Gaza. Increased obesity also benefits the system because it lowers life expectancy enough that fat people cost a net less than healthy people in terms of healthcare but also in terms of retirement or pensions or social benefits.Individuals are physically made up of countless organisms working as one, and the minds and identities of individuals are also created through unfathomable cooperation and labor of countless humans crafting and sharing ideas.
>>25341223>endless regimes held up through torture carried out by illiteratesThis is done by the far right, no?
>>25341518Yeah no I don’t disagree at all, good stuff on the biological stuff, it is esssntially the collaboration of highly specialized colonies of colonies but the outcome of that is consciousness. At these levels you can argue it is more deterministic based on chemistry or instinct. But when you’re going down into interpersonal levels you see some heavy disagreements even and especially among say leftists (which isn’t an attack btw, it shows diversity of ideas) you actually got the word right, yes, it’s competition. Right now I think not wanting to be competitive entails an emancipatory imperative FIRST, which is similar to Eastern notions of it (mukti) and at that point we’re on square one again. It’s one thing to discuss this you and me, we get along and have something we believe the other can learn about; but that took work to figure out, material conditions to allow that work and natural predisposition. So shit bro we’re trouble…I mean to what end would we incentivize everyone to not want to be competitive? Plato seemed concerned about this too, majeutics doesn’t manifest anything new but then again neither does Levinas. The only thing I suggest is ditching the proto evangelical Hegel for Schelling in metaphysics. The average right winger here is not the republican boomer so it’s not like people aren’t about new ideas, but…idk dude passing the mic.
>>25341572Most people are already NOT completely competitive. Only the ruling class is allowed to kill whole families and blow up schools in the name of competition. All the productiveness of human society comes through cooperation
>durr the left does this>well the right does that!make it stop
>>25341587Yeah, but…that competitiveness, ironically, is the vigor that pushes for greatness in people. I think that lack of wanting to be competitive is more from brainrot. Something something absolute power, elites are just as slavish, just as flawed and human. See my issue? Kropotkin and Wilde discussing a perfect world where everyone is like them is, I’m sorry, my dream of a world but if there’s material variability in terms of biological makeup which likely means there is variability in inclination. How is that to be accounted for?>>25341625This is a free discourse zone where dialectics are taken seriously.
>>25341637This is a lot of rhetoric. People can push for greatness as in trying to leave the world a greater place than they found it and distinguish themselves in forwarding that, which is a sort of cooperative competition and a good thing, or they can seek to aggrandize themselves at the expense of others which is a very narcissistic greatness, we would say Donald Trump is a Great Man in this regard. Often the two are mixed together and someone gets so intoxicated by glory they start focusing exclusively on the latter in belief it is the former, especially "greatness" is often defined that way by the ruling class. We are the helots though, not the Spartans. The only reason the Spartans had greatness at Thermopylae rather than helots is because the ruling class wrote thr history, but far more helots fought for Greece there than Spartan citizens did
>>25340569>scientific socialismaka MARXISM is not idealistic by its very nature, but you are probably too retarded and illiterate to understand what idealism or materialism are
>>25341671You may be onto something, but at that point I think you have to correct the fact that the improving the world notion is in itself flawed, the world doesn’t need betterment. As for us being the helots, sure but I’m no dalit, not in the original sense of the word, no. They may be rich, they may claim fame but if we’re going to admit the world doesn’t need repair through our lowly selves then neither is our greatness to be measured on such futile terms. Excellent point friend. I’d be congratulating you at the aghora. Revolution, I think we now know, is impossible when not backed by an overlord, among which the better ones already occurred a mass extinction of highly creative, highly psychopathic types who killed each other off. We’re left with the uncreative, cowardly ones to deal with, perhaps that dawn is another revelation that Marx himself could not foresee.
>>25341706Nothing needs betterment, including feces, if we take "needs" as something metaphysical. Life however can become more and more sophisticated and complex, or it can be jackals fighting over carcasses.You are a helot, although a lot of helots today foolishly identify as proud spartans
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>>25341223The cracker-left is the same it's just western white people are giant pussies, no matter their politics. Right wing americans call you a fed if you even suggest organizing (even peacefully), and the american left thinks watching children's cartoons is activism. But the leftists are still deranged sadists, they just hope that somebody else kills you for them.
Havana could have been a real art capital of the new world. Communism really destroyed something great and now Cuba is like any other 3rd world shithole. I know the average 4channer will be skeptical but Cuba had tons of potential. It's insane to see safe little American leftists defend modern Cuba and shit talk the real people who suffered first hand
>>25341987>Right wing americans call you a fed if you even suggest organizing (even peacefully)Probably because the federal authorities have thoroughly infiltrated radical groups through organized protests in this fashion. They are quite smug about it because they've used it to dismantle everything from the KKK to Occupy Wall Street.
>>25342004open my eyes to the potential of pre-communist revolution cuban art
>>25342004Oh I agree, Cubans alone are an impressive, beautiful people. Silvio Rodríguez, Dave Lombardo, Severo Sarduy, the Estefan dynasty, I could go on. >>25341987Perhaps, yes. But not for that less intelligent, driven or creative. For all the despondent nonsense you can hear a leftist spew their grit is admirable, not that this doesn’t exist independently of political inclination but I think you and I largely agree education need not go beyond Bible and some arithmetics. Not them, but to their own chagrin every step forward toward social justice is also a step forward to the institutional benefit of the people revolutions should be mounted against in the first place.>>25341924 You can’t improve upon excrement, if reality is fundamentally jackals biting each other for carrion then denying this has the same effect that metaphysics qua spell cast by pedophiles upon the masses takes. So why not just retvrn to monke at that point? If I’m a helot larping as citizen, well fuck I can first cut the LARP I’m with you there but then what? Do please inform me.
>>25342005The saddest thing here is that the leftist does not see ideology for the chimaera it is: that the promise of revolution is the choice promise for cattle to believe in after the death of god. The anon I’m discussing whether the world can be improved or not with made me realize that although civilization might indeed progress beyond savagery, the progress is not linear and new problems arise always.
>>25342060>Cubans are an impressive beautiful people.>Lists off a bunch of Cubans.>Doesn't list José Martí.>On a fucking literature boardWhat a total and complete pseud.
>>25342093Yeah, actually lmao but I’m on /lit/ where all that shit counts positively. That said, I also omitted Heredia whose romanticist poem about Niagara I’ve written work on. Sorry I only mentioned contemporary people, felt it relevant, want me to walk on glass maybe?
>>25342060>if reality is fundamentally jackals biting each other for carrionThis is a stupid anthropology posited by capitalism because capitalists are jackals. The truth is each individual human is a massive complex of cooperating organisms and that when individual humans acts like jackals fighting over carrion you can't run a basic village let alone a society as complex as ours. Capitalists are shitting in the pool saying the pool is shit by nature
>>25342143Nawh you just “mellowed out” as they say. Past a certain age you felt like there was no glee in strength and feared your own undoing either because you cannot make yourself strong or you got shown how difficult it is to be strong and don’t want to undertake the hurdles of levelling up. Two or more of these things can be true namely that we are indeed not jackals, that progress isn’t linear and so there is no end of history (or there is but it is in a nothing new under the sun way) and that the world is misgoverned. But it’s not going to be you who brings about its liberation because you can’t even free yourself of the idea that you can be a worm made man through God. So really me arguing with you is me putting myself below you just like you want everyone to, and you’re STILL not happy! Fuck the capitalists, they are indeed our uniting cause, but if they pollute, you ultimately ruin entirely the same things. Kitsch brained motherfucks the lot of you, subverted from within to be Hobbits without the spirit of a Hobbit; you see people celebrating and get mad they tried to include you. I’m done with you now ciao!
>>25342181You're a fucking halfwit. I am a capitalist, a financially successful capitalist, I am over six feet, I am athletic, I am attractive. I am just beyond this fucking fecal narcissistic selfism of capitalism. My consciousness and sense of self is expanded. Like Spinoza says once desire for power reaches a higher stage it stops identifying itself with just *this* organism
>>25342195Yeah just like every leftist is, it’s called ego. You either deny it long enough you blow up and beat your wife up or are given power and make everyone suffer the same thing you suffer being you. And you’re so blighted by these feelings of inadequacy that you didn’t even think your ass can be so properly fucked as to explain to me what steps to take in practice after I have shed the veil and chains lf being a helot that thinks he’s a spartan.
All these threads ever convince me of is that the Elites have nothing to fear from present day Marxists.
>>25341538Fucking where? And by whom? Iran? That’s your boys, commie.
>>25341698>if we just call it science that means it's real scienceone of the more bizarre things communists do
>>25342215You're just a cuck with power fantasies to cope
>>25340751Cuba can't seamlessly trade with the rest of the world because the U.S. embargo includes secondary sanctions that punish other countries for trading with Cuba. Since the U.S. dollar is the primary currency of global trade, these sanctions effectively exclude Cuba from international markets
>>25342487It also deters aby trade ship from stopping there since it they do it will exclude their trip from American markets
>>25342487>>25342524Maybe if commies stopped stealing from their citizens and locking them up when they complain about it the US wouldn't have to sanction them.
>>25342535>won't somebody PLEASE think of the Jewish mob and multinational corporations!
>>25342544You know that Cuban commies lock people up for complaining that their houses get taken, right? You know that you don't pick what you study in university. If you want to be an engineer they pick they kind you're going to be. When you go to the grocery store, you get rations for food, but they never have the food in stock for the normal people, but there's somehow always food for the party elites and tourists in La Habana.Anyone that argues for the government of Cuba has never been there or talked to a Cuban that has lived there.
>>25342561Cuba has a home ownership rate of over 80% because it is illegal there to own more than two homes, and that is only allowed if one is for vacation. It is illegal to rent a home privately, the other 20% of the population rents from the state
>>25342435It adheres to the scientific method, so it is "real science". Marxism is just proto-sociology with a class focus (or reductionism depending on your viewpoint).Although, it's not a hard science like chemistry or physics. It's a meme science like psychology or economics.
>>25342572They don't "own" their homes. They borrow them from the government.
>>25342581No they own them. It is just illegal to own more than two and both have to be personally used for living in
>>25340514I can't believe leftys are still pretending Cuba is the Wakanda of medicine
>>25342585I can't believe capitalism is still making apologism for having shittier public healthcare and a higher infant mortality than a destitute country so poor that electricity is scarce
>>25342584Can they sell them? Can their children inherit them?
>>25342587I can't believe trannies still believe in numbers that come out of socialist dictatorships
>>25341251Oh my God they really can't come up with ANYTHING of their own LMAOOOOOOOO
>>25341538Not in the 21st century, no
>>25342004Isn't Cuba mostly black? I figured most of the talented ones are already in the US.
>>25342620Nah, the negritos are mostly in the south(just like US).
>>25342577>It adheres to the scientific methodLess so than most traditional religions do. Stop lying faggot.
>>25342621...there is no "south" it's a fucking horizontal strip of an island.
>>25342628Would you like to apologize?
>>25342626Marxism doesn't have a spiritualism element unlike traditional religions, as it is a materialist system, so unless you're arguing that spiritualism is a part of the scientific method, then that cannot be logically possible. Cease fabricating, AIDS monkey.
>>25342630>the south coat is just a straight lineWho the fuck came up with this, that's not how nature works.
>>25342588Yes. They just can't rent them
>>25342428>Fucking where?Latin America.>And by whom?Peron and Pinochet.>Iran?Have youread the other anon's post?>That’s your boys, commie.Not a commie.The picture I posted should have led you to what I was refering to.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detenidos_Desaparecidos>>25342617There are commies ruling in latam?
Pls post good books on the Desaparecidos, because I'm thinking anons have no idea of their existance.
>>25343285>>25343285First time hearing Perón was right wing. Pinochet’s neoliberal laws got broken and the law had to be enforced, I can think a law in another country is outrageous but it’s on me if I go and break it. I’ll give you a freebie: Trujillo but Dominican Republic has largely averted revolutions and they’re better off than say Mexico or Venezuela, or Nicaragua, or Bolivia, or Argentina. All leftist. The only time it works is in tiny countries like Uruguay but even they are now being sold out to Larry Fink so what was all that for?There is no right wing in LatAm, never has been.
>>25343515>First time hearing Perón was right wingYea, she was.>Pinochet’s neoliberal laws got broken and the law had to be enforced, I can think a law in another country is outrageous but it’s on me if I go and break it.I'm not asking for excuses, I'm asking whether they were torturing people or not.>never has beenYou just said that Pinochet was neoliberal. And you didn't even know about Perón being a fash. Milei is quite libertarian in his approach to beaurocracy. All right wing policy makers.I hope you are not right wing yourself, because Jesus Christ, how ignorant can you be about your own political ideology before your stance becomes pure performativity?
>>25343617>is that an arm raised at a 45° angle?? AAAA NAZIS ARE BACK SAVE ME MADURO
>>25343617You’re white. Not like European descended but like…hard r cracker, 2016 caricature of le ebil hwite oppressor who thinks he’s helping. You don’t know how fucked up it is to live with these tyrants, the anger they cause when they promise the moon and then they deliver shit on a platter. I grew up surrounded with leftism, I’m leftist, I agree with Nick Land in saying the right wing world wide is a jester, I’ve mingled with actual leftists and I know the levels of thievery politicians of every ilk get up to worldwide. So no, it’s not performance, you just live such a sheltered life you’re seeing a real life footage and think it’s digital. The yoke of LatAm and Africans is you and your good intentions.
>>25343656I begin to fear that the twitter racists might be more correct than I'd like to believe about race and IQ.
>>25343635>MADUROAbout to become another Desaparecido.
Daily reminder that Pinochet killed Pablo Neruda.
>>25343617>>25343656 continuedAnd I’m only saying I’m left wing to prove a point: I don’t fit in with them no matter how much I try because it is NeVeR eNoUgH with you fuckers, you are greedy, you are rigid, you edify nothing and think you can mock everything. But you’re not fucking happy, you want more. You want into people’s thoughts, you are voyeurists, you are sadists, you are not content except when you’re defending the most futile causes that are almost never not funded by shady billionaires and intelligence agencies. And your “art” is garbage: Bad Bunny is a Chavista asset, Diego Rivera was a hack’s hack. Next up I’m sure you’re going to bring up Porfirio Díaz as if he wasn’t one of you as well. This entire continent from Nunavut to La Patagonia is a godless masonic experiment so no. You’re going to disown your own champions go ahead, vut you’re merely “adopting the dark” because there is no crown, no religious state and no free market in this continent. It’s yours, fucking treat it well and stop making up boogeymen and maybe pave a fucking road instead of pocketing it to go to climate change meetings in Europe!!!!
>>25343663Hahahahahahahahaha everyone laugh at this fucking idiot! ¡Cállate blanco!
>>25343666Good, he was a pedophile, his poetry sub par and sentimental and a bad father. Any chance we can revive them both and have it happen again?
Third world rightists disgust me as an American. At least US/European white supremacists want to be at the top of a social order. Fidel was a Florian Geyer tier knight on horseback who gave up a life of luxury to fight for his people and latam reactionaries have spent decades doing spin classes in Miami and fantasizing about giving their country back to Jewish mobsters so they can play second banana and say "¡Si Señor!" to crooked Guineas and CIA spooks when they ask for another shipment of 15 year olds.
>>25343710>Fidel was a Florian Geyer tier knight on horseback Lmaooooooooooo
>>25343710Gringos…It boggles their mind how we can want them the fuck out without having to have communism in our countries. STAY IN AMERICA, Stan!
>>25343710Cubans think they're the best of the browns. The highest among the LATAM pecking order.
>>25342577Sociology is a pseudoscience at best.
>>25343742The ones in Miami are
>>25343740Well to be fair we are blatantly a superior people.
>>25343748I don't disagree with Cubans' self assessment. They're definitely my favorite.
>>25343748Tfw no chonga novia to go to the beach and sip batido de mamey with.
>>25343756Ok then stay there, ¡por favor!
>>25343762But your island belongs to us.
>>25343760They're not that hard to find.I met my Cubana esposa on 4chan.
>>25343770I’m not Cuban
>>25343760This brought me back to my childhood lol
>>25343774¿La conoci’te ‘en fowchan, chico? ¡Pero que cosa! ¡Mucha sue’te tiene’ tu!
>>25343740>Stay out of my leetle ayeland Gringo>Also we'll sink any politician that doesn't kowtow to our pet cause of starving our countrymenWhy is it that Irish, Mexicans and Germans were all able to mostly integrate their cultures into the US in a generation or two but Zionist Jews, "Persians", and Miami Gusanos still cling to third world grievances and demand we fight their battles for them?
>>25343789I AM NOT LIVING IN U.S AND I AM NOT FUCKING CUBAN
>>25343792There's that latinx rage that gets you guys in so much trouble
>>25343781You just needed to throw in "¡Mira!" like 20 times and pronounce "voy" like "boy" and it would be 100% authentic Cuban
>>25343803No, puto. I like you, I think you’re generally good neighbours and don’t think you personally are doing anything to fuck with LatAm. We’re all entitled to our bullshit, but don’t let someone else’s rage be your problem and learn to learn here and there. This continent is a promise from God that the assholes in the old world bullshit wouldn’t destroy the world needlessly so I think step one is to ditch the moronic mistake of enacting policies “like they have in Scandinavia” for instance because those guys are getting colonized again. We’re ditching this white=bad mentality because *gasp* a lot of us are at least part white. So who gives a shit? Have a blessed day, eat some McDonald’s, watch Fox News, laugh at a funny comedian here and there and rejoice you’re living in the best country in the world. Can’t have perfection.
>>25343804I grew up in a part of Mexico that is similar in certain subtle ways and there’s an existing Cuban diaspora. We dance to son as well. And mambo.
>>25343824I learned a lot of my Spanish from working with Mexicans in a restaurant kitchen during high school. I remember the first time I said "No mames" to my then girlfriend. She lightly slapped my chest, gasped, and said "Where did you learn to say such an awful thing?!"
>>25343789>guano.Thats so mean spirited. Really I don't understand why some people think all Cuban exiles were fascists. Its something I've seen a lot of online. I don't know whose teaching people that but its pretty horrible
It's one thing to intellectually know that 4chan has been utterly infested by browns but it's always upsetting to have to actually see the favela monkeys shamelessly cavorting on a board they have no business posting on. Go back to /sp/ and /v/.
>>25343835Yeah I don't really like how entitled and strange spanish americans get once they ID another one in a 4chan thread
>>25343829Bahahahaha lmao yeah I wonder if to you the different Spanish accents didn’t sound like different languages compared to each other in the beginning
>>25343780¿How so?
>>25343834Who gives a shit? It's funny. t. Half Cuban exile
>>25343857I forgot about the eating the s thing and I haven't had mamey since then Cuban women are fucking crazy though, or at least the ones I'm related to (even third cousins) are.t. >>25343858
>>25343839There is literally just me here as far as I can tell and I’ve been around a while. And I’m not American
>>25343863Where are you from
>>25343858>>25343860I have a crush on Jenny Lorenzo…
>>25343868Tuchi
>>25342535That's rich coming from the U.S, the country with the highest incarceration rate in the world. But regardless, the U.S. would have sanctioned Cuba anyway. Castro was willing to risk nuclear M.A.D, making Cuba a martyr to threaten the U.S (Castro's Letter to Khrushchev)
>>25343872She's alright, I can see how some people might go crazy for her phenotype.>from the U.S, the country with the highest incarceration rate in the worldYes because we don't let murder and rape gangs run our cities like they do in Western Europe.
>>25341438neither pure capitalist nor pure communist economies truly exist today. most countries are mixed economies that combine elements of both systems to varying degreeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DsNKIJ6TM
The quote doesn't even remotely cover the topic of anti-natalism. The whole thread is pointless.>>25340751>here's the receipts of what's causing the problems>BUT MY REPUBLICAN MOMMY SAIDEvery Gusano repeats the same script. You don't even know what Communism is (it's not Cuba) since you can only describe it as an ethereal force that you blame everything on like its Satan. Problems with resources are directly a consequence of America blocking its participation in world trade. It's an island, literally one of the first things you learn in capitalist economics is that an island cannot be self-sufficient. It has to trade and America is directly interfering with that to try and urge a regime change to something pro-American. They are being immiserated because the USSR no longer exists as a rival bloc to trade with.None of these problems can be blamed on the slightly more State-monopolistic capitalism that Cuba follows. If you lack resources, you have no means to adequately distribute it. If the Cuban government is to be blamed for anything, it's for deciding it's more important to use the limited resources to make sure leftist streamers have air-conditioned hotel rooms and night clubs. However, it's still a product of the same problem of being blockaded from economic development.You and your family are idpol-brained idiots. Yeah, of course their life is better in America, they're not suffering under a banana-republic dictator or starving because of economic sanctions from the global, hegemonic superpower. You have to be an idiot to not connect the dots here. Corrupt bureaucracy (we definitely don't have that here!) can't be the sole blame when you have examples of countries with bad governments like Vietnam or Belarus still experiencing economic development, because they're not rigidly blocked from developing. Belarus can skirt sanctions a bit more by being close to Russia/China, while Cuba is an island. Everyone ignores that it's an island.
>>25344838>here's the receipts[translator note: In the 20's "receipts" came to mean "evidence" in the dialect of certain subcultures of the mentally retarded] of what's causing the problems>Posts fanfiction and "statistics" published by the totalitarian shitholes under examination. >Presents more fanfiction, this time about how the United States are plagued by infant mortality, child starvation, and illiteracy>declares victory and runs away The Marxist playbook.
>>25344838>They are being immiserated because the USSR no longer exists as a rival bloc to trade with.People were still commonly eating rats when the USSR was around lmfao.
>>25344838No one cares what your pasty white ass thinks.
Man every time I come back to this thread it’s just leftists getting dunked on epic Shapiro style over and over what the actual motherfuck, goyim? It’s like:Leftist: Buh buh da system work but embargo ushshssjAnd everyone else is 5 steps ahead like: meme’d ya’!Love to see it
>>25345047brown
>>25340646That is the argument though. There's no denying that things like the looting of Africa and the destabilizing of the Middle East happened under and for the benefit of capitalism, which is all Castro is describing, yet there is always someone eager to call criticizing that and especially asking for anything more "idealistic", and its usually someone who doesn't particularly benefit from capitalism anyway. Need I remind you that the golden age of the USA was closest to socialism we ever got here, our post ww2 economy
>>25344858And 30 years later Americans are eating bugs
>>25340569>>25340644>>25340646>>25340720>>25340927>>25341223>>25341289People who don't own any capital really shouldn't be defending capitalismIn fact, if you could hide every comment from anyone who owns 0 capital, you'd think this thread were a communist utopia
>>25341270>adapting an ideology made in EUROPEWhere is capitalism fromT. Actual hispanic
>>25345797>>25345795Ok fine guess I'll starve and sell ass for cat meat to own the chuds! Awesome, or will I have this perro culazo expropriated also? No se puede ganar con ustedes, carajo.
>>25345795
>>25345824Argies are eating donkey meat due to muh free market. This is after a $20 billion handout from a US regime that has radically expanded the state. All of the money went directly to lolbert NGOs, narcos, and regime cronies leaving ordinary people to starve.
>>25345831The petista monkey is still repeating the same misinfo despite Argentina's economy having grown compared to the Fernández years and especially compared to Brazil.
>>25345831Nobody is starving lmao
>>25345797Nature, every civilization discovered it. It's an incarnation of the general pattern of natural selection and force within the substrate of human ideas about property and value.
>>25345834The thing is if we grant commies that capitalism isn't natural their solution is a more ancient problem called bureaucracy.
>>25342487Britain as an island capitalist nation managed to survive against Napoleon while being totally shut off from the European market. This was after they had lost their largest colony and were still in the process of conquering India so you can’t even cope by saying they had colonies n shiet.
>>25345832>>253458331 trillion pesos ($2 usd) has been deposited into your account
>>25345834I'm talking about the theory of capitalism as an economic system, retard.Extrapolating it backwards through time 0 purpose in this conversation except to cause a distraction to avoid answering the thing that I asked. No one wante to hear your retarded theories about ancient currency exchange or whatever
>>25345824You didn't answer my question. If communism coming from Europe is a problem, where do you think capitalism as an economic system came from?
>>25346066It's not ancient trade, it's ancient bookkeeping, which communism needs a fucklot of otherwise useless eaters to manage. I get that for little parasites like u being insufferable and acting highfalutin is a survival mechanism but the fact of the matter is u dread art becoming automated because it would mean onl true geniuses have business not using AI to make it, and if Neuralink and AI prompts can be combined then even geniuses are obsolete and in like fashion, automating bookkeeping means little bureaucrat bugmen like u are also become obsolete because this technological advancements cuts out the middle man. U are headed for extinction ha ha ha
>>25346070U are conflating capitalism with Adam Smith liberalism idk if in bad faith or ur just dumb. I'm not a classical liberal either.
>>25346085Make your own thread if all you want to talk about is how old "capitalism" is or whatever, I'm not reading all of that because you haven't even responded to what I actually said numbnuts
>>25346104I can't u asslicking titface! Refer to this >>25346092FUck's sake, perhaps fucking help me if I'm so dumb and tell me who prescribed capitalism as an economic system
>>25346092You are such a fucking nerd and you're not even who I was talking to. The theory of capitalism of which this great nation (USA) was founded under is European. Your gay fantasizing about ancient capitalism that you got from some gay youtuber or 4chan thread is irrelevant. You're not even trying to make the same point as the person I replied to, that European = bad. You're not defending anything, you're just being contrarian.
>>25346128I'm going to do a lib tears enema and fart them right back at u like crowd dispersal
All communists deserve death.
All Capitalists (and their asslickers) deserve death
>>25346173Capitalizing capitalists is meta.
>>25346165>>25346173Gentlemen, gentlemen. Can't we compromise? and kill both?
>>25346207Die, anarchist.
>>25346173Can you people do ANYTHING original?>>25346066>UMMM NO I MEAN THE THING *AS MY NEORELIGION MISUNDERSTANDS IT* NOT THE REAL THINGAll you people can do is lie and copy right wing memes and ideas. No wonder Mark Fisher killed himself.
>>25346173>>25346199>>25346217It seems we have a full survey of ideology
>>25346231Still doing the nerd shit, still not answering my questionAutist
>>25341190>It's actually funny reading OP, when the truth is commies heavily encourage people to get sterilized in Cuba.They've had crashing demographics (rich country problem) with a third-world level standard of living (poor country problem) which is just apocalyptic when combined. Of course out-migration (by the millions) doesn't help either so Cuba is now smaller than Honduras by population. Like it used to just be a bigger player in the region based on demographics alone, but Fidel understood better than the Soviets that expelling dissidents is better for holding onto power than walling them in.If the population did overthrow the Communist Party, it would be the world's first Senior's Revolution. Truly a world historical moment if it comes to a head.>>25340720>The whole nation is propped up by remmitances from the US family members which are then stolen by the communists, but you already knew that.Cuba has basically turned into a retirement home you pay monthly fees from outside to care for your parents inside.>>25344838>Problems with resources are directly a consequence of America blocking its participation in world trade. It's an island, literally one of the first things you learn in capitalist economics is that an island cannot be self-sufficienI think that's probably true, but in the long run Cuba has no choice but to live with the U.S., given that it's Cuba. Ironically Cuba focused even more on sugar production when it switched to communism as part of agreements with the USSR to trade sugar for trade credits to access Eastern Bloc goods, so the economy de-diversified compared to trajectory in the 1950s when there was a growing tourism industry. (Key issue there however was despite the relative prosperity it was very unequally distributed with rural Cuba getting stiffed.) At any rate they're really fucked.>>25340569>Its funny how unfailingly idealistic communist literature isIvan Ivanovich the machine gunner runs out of ammunition, and he calls to his commander that he's out of bullets. The commander says "Comrade Ivan Ivanovich, remember that you are a communist." Then he remembers, and his machine gun starts firing again at a faster rate than before.
>>25346280I'm not the anon you asked it to, retard. Lurk more.
>>25344418Sorry anon. This is closer to reality, but we can't own and dunk on our 'enemies', and argue over it, its true but boring.
