Literally how did he predict our present so well? Predicted our total escape from thinking and solitude and flight into television and disassociative drugs and sex.
It Can't Happen Here is better and more prescient
>>25341795>muh trump is a fascist totalitarianno
>>25341798The book came out like 3 years before Germany started annexing everyone, cool it with the TDS autism retard
>>25341803It's based on Hitler and Mussolini, it didn't presage them
>>25341810Good thing I never said or implied that it did, illiterate retard.
>>25341828you kinda did, though.
>>25341833Wrong again
Men tuned to higher state of reality have the gift to perceive what for others is still behind the horizon.
>>25341795I would say it's better but not as prescient. It's certainly more realistic, with respect to the supreme court overruling, insular economy, ad hoc foreign policies, etc. BNW for me took a riskier gamble outlining state-mandated anesthetic pastimes, so to me that's the more impressive prediction.>>25341798>I AM NOT OBSESSED
>>25341835no you
>>25341828If the distinction you're making is that Germany hadn't yet started annexing neighboring countries, then the book isn't really about annexation and also Japan had already invaded China years before its publication.
>this book predicted hitler's invasions>WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS BOOK PREDICTED HITLER
>>25341845Hitler already elucidated Lebensraum and his plan for invading countries in Mein Kampf, little bro
>>25341846I know, that's mentioned in the novel in a few spots, which you would know if you had read it. But talk is often cheap, and if anyone had any certainty as to Hitler's ambitions becoming real back then, the Munich agreement never would have happened. Or am I wrong and you have read it?
>>25341853>hitler: "im going to invade our neighbors">"dude what if american hitler invaded america's neighbors">"holy shit how prescient"
>>25341907I don't remember the part where Hitler explicitly outlined using false flag tactics or ad hoc paramilitary partisans or manufactured consent or keeping wives/mistresses private to emphasize strong independent imagery or rounding up people on boxcars or turning personal grievances into national indignations or using stats to make most unemployment disappear or micro-managing concentration camp press media as early as 1935, but you seem very, very smart, so please expound.
>>25341946NTA. Hitler had already done most of that stuff by the time the book was written as had Mussolini and Stalin. All that shit went down all over Europe to greater and lesser degrees after the end of WWI.
>>25342095The first press for nazi camps started in 1937. Looks like someone is lying for good boy points
I just can't think of anything more disgusting than thinking someone is worse than you and subhuman and that you have the right to abuse or own them. That is just real genuine evil.
>>25342136I agree, white people suck, especially the straight male ones
>>25342114First, I said "most of" so your reading comprehension is shit. Second, you think Nazis invented concentration camps? Lol. It was standard colonial practice, retard. Ever hear of an Indian Reservation?
>>25342204>most ofSo expound on them then. Didn't you see me use that word? Is your reading comprehension okay?>Second, you think Nazis invented concentration camps?No. That was never said or implied. Still okay big guy?
>>25341798you just had to derail and ruin the thread with your schizo-sissygasm didnt you
anon backpedaling so hard about thinking ICHH predicted trump that he's claiming the book based on hitler predicted hitler
>>25342226trump-esque populists have been predicted for years before 2015-16, please fucking try to keep up for once in your life
>>25342211>So expound on themI just did, dummy. >That was never saidThen why did you randomly sperg to me about camps, retard? Fucking Canada had concentration camps for Ukrainians in like 1914 and even shot a bunch of them who tried to escape.
>>25342229how is this a response to my post
>>25342232>I just didOh so you don't know what the word expound means. That's okay, when you get your high school diploma it should become clear by then.>>25342232>Then why did you randomly sperg to me about campsI specifically said "micro-managing concentration camp PRESS MEDIA" referring to state propaganda downplaying their labour rights violation and whatnot, something that the Nazis started doing with camps like Theresienstadt about 2 years after the novel was published. If you had read the book much of this would have already been obvious. You HAVE read the novel right anon? You wouldn't spend this much time debating a book you've never read right.
>>25342233>I don't readlike clockwork lmao
>>25342249the bot is hallucinating quotations again :(
>>25342245>Oh so you don't know what the word expound means.I provided details about the camps, tard. >I specifically said "micro-managing concentration camp PRESS MEDIA" referring to state propaganda downplaying their labour rights violationAnd states using propaganda wasn't a new phenomenon either. Holy shit you're a dumb one. Is It Could Happen Here the first book you've ever read or something? Lol.
>>25341777>>25341795Both are good but Brave New World probably has an edge in prescience since it's a few years older. If they had come out the same year, maybe I'd have a different tune.
>>25342257You haven't read the book so how would you know
>>25342261It's BNW by a mile. The fact birth control pills and antidepressants not only exist but are widespread is enough for it to mog ICHH.
>>25342263So you're getting schooled by someone who hasn't even read the book? That's the best cope you could muster? You've read the book and you don't know.
>>25342270>I haven't read the book because I don't readI accept your concession.
Was it autism?
>>25342265Antidepressants came out 20 years after BNW and Making Canada Great Again became a thing like 90 years after ICHH, I dunno, one of these predictions certainly seems more extrasensory to me.
You lost because of an autism-adjacent cognitive disorder, yes.
>>25342271>HE PREDICTED IT COULD HAPPEN HERE! Wow, what a hot take! It's not like the Founding Fathers thought it necessary to create a Bill of Rights and a POTUS ran roughshod over convention and centralized power within the Executive during the Civil War or anything, right anon?
>>25342289You didn't read the book so how would you know
>>25342275>Making Canada Great AgainAnon finally reveals it was TDS 20 posts later
Damn and I thought the McCarthy vs Faulkner threads were whiny and boisterous
>>25342275Widespread use of antidepressants and birth control alongside the affect such would have on masking humanity and traditional social bonds. BNW by a mile.
>can't argue the prescience point anymore>smugly mention the ebin acronym meme and pray no one notices
>>25342296I have though. You've also read it but you don't know. Are you just going to flame like a faggot until you get the last word because you can have it. However, that won't change the fact you exposed yourself as a historically illiterate midwit.
>>25342303Maybe if you were on less birth control and Prozac you could type a proper English sentence, Alto.
>>25342312Here, grab this for your mom and step-dad. I know it's too late for you but in case you have siblings.
>couldnt remember the Trianon press media chapter>couldnt remember the 15 point protocol>couldnt remember Informer book burning section>couldnt remember Buzz administration sex parties via military brothels>i've totally definitely absolutely read the novel, fellow bookworms
>>25342322I can't make out what you said, your mouth is too dry, probably a side-effect from all the Interferon and Fluvoxamine.
>>25342330>didn't know what NTA means>doesn't realize multiple anons are pointing out he's a retard HE HECKIN' PREDICTED IT COULD HAPPEN HERE, GUYS! GOOD THING THE MEDIA ISN'T CAPTURED SO FELATING THE PRESS AGED GREAT!
no meme arrow so guess what
>>25342333That would have been clever if we weren't reading posts, tardo.
>>25341840>>25342261There's a reason Huxley is taught in high schools and Lewis not so much, you need an edgy premise like muh druggie shithole to make them remotely interested, so it deludes them into thinking that kinda shit fucks up countries more than certain economic policies, military sanctions, geopolitical armistices, etc. They gravitate to these dystopian novels the same way they're attracted to punk rock lyrics, it's mostly a fashion larp.
>>25342343You would have been clever if you ever read books in general.
>>25342355Sinclair Lewis is heavy handed, his characterizations are cartoonish, and his prose is terrible.
>>25342360He predicted Donald fucking Drumpf and for that I will always be indebted to his foresight/skin.
>>25342357>insult I already said, much better, above Too bad it didn't work for you, midwit.
>>25342355>edgy premisewell yeah of course, isn't that obvious lmao? brave new world literally ends with rope, it's the most cliche and edgy imagery imaginable
>>25342360I entered this thread to discuss realpolitik; I'm not interested in your infantilizing console wars.
>>25342372I don't think you know what cliched means and, besides, it was earned.
>>25342380I do and it wasn't.
>>25342378>I entered this thread to discuss realpolitikLiterature board you pretentious fag.
>>25342372I don't remember the book being particularly gratuitous in that sense, including the ending. By edgy I just mean the connotation that drugs in general have with being antithetical to anything conformist (or at least that was the case before Generation Dude Weed).>>25342384Just because you're not smart enough to bring in politics into threads about political novels doesn't mean everyone else has to be insecure wiseacres.
>any discourse more complicated than my dad can beat up your dad is LE PRETENTIOUS
>>25342395The fact you like to sniff your own farts doesn't mean you should do it in front of others you Beta-Minus.
>>25342395>Just because you're not smart enough to bring in politics into threadsPoorly written post. Midwit confirmed.
>>25342400>>25342407Not beating the high schooler allegations.
>>25342355I think you could teach Lewis in high schools (not American ones LOL) considering fucking Shakespeare is part of the curriculum and Lewis' writing is a video game in comparison, but he probably is too political for normies. Still, this is a thread about prescient novels, not necessarily political ones.
>>25342422>allegations From a confirmed midwit, lol.
>>25342427>I think you could teach Lewis in high schools (not American ones LOL) considering fucking Shakespeare is part of the curriculum and Lewis' writing is a video game in comparison, but he probably is too political for normies.Hmmm, maybe, but these days with the AI/GPT/LML apocalypse allegedly happening to teachers and school faculty, I wonder if that's still true in 2026.>Still, this is a thread about prescient novels, not necessarily political ones.Fair point.>>25342429You want to be smart so bad.
>>25341795ICHH is better at demonstrating the step-by-step processes of authoritarianism but I think BNW imparts better morals and lessons. I liked ICHH a lot but I finished it feeling like "well, I kinda feel like I already knew all this stuff was bad." It's just too close to home, but BNW really got under my skin with how that society weaponized complacency and indulgence.
>>25342437No you. Too bad you're a midwit.
>>25342464You want it so bad but you just don't have what it takes at all, do you.
>huxley fan calling other people midwitsOOOOF
>>25342467>I want to be perceived as smart but I'm an awkward midwit We know.
>>25342437>>25342467the moment someone goes on a hormonal melty after the thread gets too technical is a deadsign you're dealing with a brain-damaged manchild, dont even interact with him anymore, i learned this on /pol/ like a decade plus ago>>25342471exactly this lmao, literal projection
>>25342471I didn't realize this was the "Most Prescient Meme Ever" thread lmao
>>25342464>>25342472see >>25342471
>>25342479I told that guy he could have the last word after I beat him in a debate and he started flamming. Congrats on making friends with a retard, midwit.
>>25342474>the thread gets too technicalLol, this tard thinks the discussions ITT are "technical".
>i like historical literacy>thread starts using more technical historical terms and topics>NO NOT LIKE THAT STOP SHOWING OFF
>25342480>blah blah blah dear diaryno one cares about you and your gay faggot sex, faggot, post more funny midwit memes or kill yourself
>>25342471What of Huxley have you read besides BNW
>>25342471brutally ass raped lmao
>>25342498 Don't interrupt his meltie.
>>25342471you're telling me the guy spamming "midwit" was projecting? SHOCKING. that NEVER happens.
God I wish we still had the IP counter
>>25342480wow you are one extremely self-satisfied control freak, huh
>anon loses a debate>starts spamming/samefaggingLol
>>25341795>BetterNo>More prescientLmao, no
>>25342471This image is one of those unstoppable forces that remains undefeated, good shit. I've used it to own many a Dawkins dweeb and Taleb twink.
>>25341798>>>/pol/
>>25342550>>>/pol/
>>25342550That guy was right and the other guy turned out to be the poltard. Check the thread.
>>25342505>weYeah, me too, kek
>>25342471Kek
>>25341798>Check book>It Can't Happen Here is a 1935 dystopian political novel by the American author Sinclair Lewis.[1] So why are you assuming Trump is being attacked when an anon recommends a book about totalitarian dystopias? Freudian slip?
>>25342589Because ICHH is pretty much the libtard/leftoid version of Atlas Shrugged in that every 15 years or so years something will happen (e.g. Regan, Bush, Trump) and retards will sperg about how prescient the book was and how we're currently living through it.
>>25342591You didn't read the book so how would you know
>>25342591So you launched a... preemptive defense of Trump? Holy fuck, not only the book must be great but considering you started SEETHING at the thought of someone attacking your daddy, they're also correct at Trump being fascist trash with a cult of personality filled with cocksuckers like you.
>>25342589Were you sentient during 2016? The book got brought up endlessly during Trump 1.
>>25342603>So you launched a... preemptive defense of Trump?No. Another anon called it that the guy to whom he replied had TDS and was proven correct as the thread went on. Not reading the rest of you post because it's probably just TDS leftypol nonsense.
>>25342619>I didn't readTotally not a fanatical faggot, lmao. You're fascist trash and all these books are about people like you.
>>25342627K.
>>25342471/thread
>>25341777just look up his family connections with british elites. he was privy to the social engineering plans they had in mind for the next century or so and was a propagandist himself.
>>25341846>>25341907Mein Kampf is not the nazi's bible, it was just a collection of Hitler's thoughts at the time and even the concept of Lebensraum was just a vague idea that was occasionally mentioned. Obviously Britain and France were aware that conflict might be imminent, hence why they rearmed, but how and why World War 2 happened is not attributed to a single book or Hitler as an individual. The nazi goverment was a highly complex snd especially highly decentralised institution which backtracked and adapted on their ideas constantly throughout their existence.
>>25342917Weed edibles and Tinder were engineered by the British nobility?
>>25342471high schoolers aren't gonna like this one
>>25341777Oh yes, 9 year old gang bangs are so predictable
>>25343979that really happens in african american communities
>>25342589You fags have been raging that Trump is Hitler 2.0 when he’s a lapdog of the Jew mafia that you’re too afraid to admit exists. Maybe Hitler was right about something.
>>25344107He was right about something
>>25344133Is this from the twilight zone
>>25344146Twilight Zone: "The Quadroon Hitler"
>>25342471Kys jew. Denounce the talmud right now.
>>25344157Go unpause your IDW podcast kiddie, the adults are busy talking here
>>25342471You know It Could Happen Here belongs on that as well and people making fun of you for being a fanboy of it aren't necessarily Huxley fans, right?
>>25344190>You want it to be one way
disliking huxley is midwit.one of the best anglo minds of the 20th century
>>25344197No you.
>I know you are but what am I
>>25344320A pedophile.
ITT: pseuds who think something being accessible makes it dumb and one fag still seething about losing a debate about ICHH yesterday.
>>25344612huxley isn't dumb because he's accessible, he's dumb because he's dumb. try to keep up
>>25341777>Literally
>>25344398>willy wonka owns a chocolate factory, therefore gene wilder does too
>>25341777There were vast amounts of utopian ideology from his time that he could draw upon to come up with those insights. The question of "why would anyone dislike a perfect society" is equally applicable to Charles Fourier or an ultra-liberal utopia. I think his psychedelic experiences helped him come up with an idea that would see past ideological camps to create something timeless.His turn to mysticism ruined him but most thinkers aren't consistent their entire lives.
>>25344725>he's dumb because he's dumbBut you havent read him
>>25345308>muh fee fees disagreebuy tampons
>>25341795It wasn't even prescient it was a barefaced hitpiece and extrapolation of the political career of the then-contemporaneous Huey Long
>>25345326>top in his class at oxford>fluent in 6+ languages>pioneered psychedelics research>10+ great booksI dont think you could accomplish what he accomplished in ten of your lifetimes tb qh
>>25345357all mogged by the nobel prize
>>25345456Too bad no one has read Sinclair Lewis in 60 years and Huxley has been widely read for 100
>>25345470>muh popularity argumentKneel before your queen then
>>25344612dont know what happened but i can read timestamps. you revived the thread because you were mad lmao>>25345470>normies are too stupid to know about this booknot the argument you think it is, retard
>>25345912"Muh nobel prize" is an appeal to popularity
>>25345930>Nobel is just a people's choice voting contestWrong again retard
>>25345940Its pretty much a popularity contest mediated by retarded swedes with terrible instincts. Hence Lewis and Pearl Buck
>>25345951Wrong again retard
>>25341777you can make anything prescient with enough eisegesis and a post hoc fallacy
>>25345955kek the first 40 years are filled with badly aged writers that no one has thought about in decades but who sold well in their day.
>>25345357>appeal to accomplishmentlewis won the pulitzer (which he declined for whatever reason) and the nobel, thats a lot rarer and more distinguished than a writer being a polyglot or a psychonaut.>>25345975give it a shot then if its so easy.
>>25345982you're an unfuckable dork without a frontal lobe who only reads high school syllabi so how would you know
>>25345351>Things attacking one thing never accidentally predict another thing
>>25345991That you associate him with high school syllabi shows how unread you are. Like saying Melville is a high school syllabus writer. Read Antic Hay, Eyeless in Gaza, Devils of Loudun, etc. u are badly unread
>>25345997>dodges the question
>>25345998How would I know youre an unread retard? Well Im talking to you arent I?
>>25344259see >>25342471
>>25345987>give it a shot then if its so easy.Ok, this thread about Brave New World is prescient because it's talking about something prescient.Is it true?
>>25346003no i meant pick a random book and "prove" why it's prescient
>>25345987you forgot to include the part where "appeal to accomplishment" is literally a fallacy
>>25346001ill stab you and rape your family
>>25345987Being a polyglot is more proof of genius than being awarded a subjective prize (with a horrible track record to boot)
>>25346005Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.
>>25346005Marx's Das Kapital
>>25346009do you think he's too retarded to figure that out on his own or something?
>>25346012>more proofit's better proof, einstein
>>25346013>>25346016okay good choices, now lets hear the cases
>>25346021nope, ESLchud
>>25342471
>>25345930if you had said "appeal to authority" instead maybe you would at least sound like 95 IQ and not 65>>25346005finnegnas wake
>>25346010TDS is crazy
This has to be the same autistic Cornball McCorny defender in all those other threads, I can't recall a more insufferable, pretentious smartass from this board. The speed and consistency at which he switches between passive-aggressive manipulative questions and cliche insults when he runs out of arguments is too obvious and distinct. Even his non-argumentative thought patterns are so predictable.What went wrong? Puberty hormone imbalances? 39 year old virgin? Good ol'fashioned autism?
>>25346048i'll clone you six million times and give you your own holocaust
>>25346023>Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.Jews successfully rule the world now as predicted in the book.>Marx's Das KapitalWe are in living in Late Stage Capitalism as predicted in the bookNow the antinomy occurs when all these actualized theories have to exist in coherent reality: so which conspiracy theory won? Do the Jews run the world? Did the Communists? Are win in Brave New World? Do the Illuminati run things?Hence why>you can make anything prescient with enough eisegesis and a post hoc fallacyis the sophistic basic formula for what we know as the unfalsifiable Conspiracy Theory: you can just interpret the text with how history played out to the present with narrative construction and completely avoid epistemic truth.It's an ontological trick where you play with the order of facts (plotting) to re-arrange any story (narrative).Remember this is /lit/ and we are all interested here in fiction creation... correct?The best writers can link their fiction with non-fiction reality; reify it; ontologize it.This is not to say that all conspiracy theories are false, just that they are really really really fucken easy to make up and sustain.
>>25346051probably just a literal tranny experiencing HRT side effects
>>25341777>predictedThe most disturbing thing about zooms is the deadset INSISTENCE they have that they know what they're talking about and there couldn't possibly have ever been a generation before them who was ever aware of anything or that some other set of circumstances play out time and time again in human history.
>>25346209thats all people without a frontal lobe in general. they think maturity is about being as nitpicky and hyperbolic as possible
>>25346051kek
>>25346209But zoomers weren't the first to call Brave New World prescient or predictive. It's been called that since the advent of television. Ironically you're showing yourself to be ignorant of past geenerations.
>>25346224>HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW NON-ZOOMERS
>>25346225>can't refute the point
>>25346232>can't refute the zoom accusation
>>25341777No need for "literally." Just ask, "How did he predict our present so well?"
>>25346245It's true, I'm smarter and younger than you.
>>25346209young people dont have a lot of life experience so the few life experiences/revelations they do acquire are treated extra seriously. anything that is a revelation to them must also be a revelation to other people, so they feel obligated to spread their opinion as arrogantly as possible. they sincerely believe that anything new to them must be new in general. think of it as a form of scholarly narcissism.
>>25346224>not the firstagreed, too bad that wasn't the argument retard
>>25346259zoomers dont know how to express themselves without adulterating intensifiers, they think they will fit in with adults by talking like that
>>25346331There is no point to the post thenWhy are millennials so stupid? Is the Alzheimer's hitting already?
>>25346353you're not very good at the whole thinking thing, are you
>>25346360The haggard millennial bested by someone half his age continues to vaguepost for lack of working mental faculties. Very sad.
>the guy who still doesn't know the difference between appeal to popularity and appeal to authority >smart
>>25344157>image attacking several jew writers>you're the jew not me>how do you do fellow goyim
>>25342471A lot of these books aren't even that bad, you just know you're dealing with some podcast junkie or an ex-gamer-porn addict when someone thinks they're the most high IQ books ever.
