>rape is about power, not sexWhat does this mean? I am pretty sure gay people don't rape a lot of women despite being favoured by the patriarchy so I must be missing something.
>>25343842Gays and women are class allies
>>25343852not really
>>25343842Every rape case I've read the motivation was always sexual frustration. Why only some people with sexual frustration rape seems to be because of impulsivity when the opportunity comes to them.
>>25343842This book is discredited feminist claptrap.>>25343865This is more or less the real motivation
>>25343842>What does this mean?It means feminists are deluded. They truly believe that eros has no influence at all over human behavior, and that relations between man and woman are solely governed by power dynamics. You have to strip down their bullshit rhetoric to this level to reveal the utter inanity of it.
>>25343852poc women sure, white women? lmao
>>25343865i can see rape being a power trip in the context of a plantation owner raping some ugly black slave. but in modern times, this is the actual reason
>>25343865Sexual frustration, being involuntarily celibate, is about a lack of power.
>>25344160Sure but not all sexual frustration is about being a 43 year old virgin, most rapists are not virgins or incels per se.
>>25343842Almost all prison rape is about domination rather than wanting gay sex.
>>25344182Hot hhnnnng
Someone normally constrained by laws and social conventions gets to exercise their power over a defenseless target. This allows them to feel as though they have temporarily ascended to a higher social position where they are no longer bound by conventional rules.Now you might say that the psychological pleasure they would derive from such an act would be heightened if the target normally occupied a higher social position than they did, but this wouldn't be a requirement for the heightened sense of power that such an individual would experience. Furthermore, it could be said that status, as it is actually experienced, doesn't necessarily correspond to formally established social rank or influence. A wealthy slave owner could have complete legal ownership of his slaves and still feel spurned or ill-regarded by them. In fact, it seems unlikely that a slave could consistently treat their owner in exactly the manner the owner desired.
>>25343842Ever notice that when an anon says something that sounds weak, pathetic, or spineless, that other anons will insult them by saying they're "raped?" As in >Guys, I think you should have to have a government license to eat ice cream. >"oi m8 you got a loisense for 'at cream" rapedThat's what it means
The fact that an act is sexual does not mean the gratification involved is purely sexual. Even in ordinary consensual sex, people may derive satisfaction from feelings of desirability, status, intimacy, validation, dominance, submission, or emotional connection. Consent does not eliminate these motives; it merely establishes that the interaction is mutually agreed upon. The same principle applies to sexual assault. The fact that the act is sexual does not mean the gratification involved is exclusively sexual.
BDSM is often more about the power dynamics involved than the sex, let alone rape.
In fact, if we removed the psychological aspect from sex entirely, what remained would be mere physical stimulation. It is questionable how much pleasure would even remain in such an act. This suggests that the distinction between sex and power may not be as clear-cut as it is often presented.
If we imagine the stereotypical rapist as sexually frustrated and low-status, the release of tension involved is far more psychologically loaded than something like a male buffalo overcoming female resistance in order to prove himself. In the human case, the act may function not merely as mating behavior, but as a temporary reversal of social impotence: a moment in which frustration, resentment, sexual desire, and the desire for power collapse into a single act.
As Nietzsche puts it:"-priests are the most evil of enemies—but why? Because they are the most powerless. From their powerlessness, their hate grows into something immense and terrifying, to the most spiritual and most poisonous manifestations"
>>25343842Feminism is nothing more than a neurotic horror of the male sex drive.It's always a "facepalm moment" when feminists pretend to be experts on the subject.
>>25344182I actually support the idea of co-ed prisons to end faggotry.
>>25344413Always wondered why there was a dearth of literature on the male sex drive written by men.
>>25343842Rape is about sex, sex is about power, power is about rape
>>25344464What are you talking about? There's an overflowing about in fiction, nonfiction, and academics, let alone all the other mediums.
>>25344462>women who commit any kind of crime must be raped
>>25344160You can have a lot of sex and still have sexual frustration. You can have zero sex and not have sexual frustration. It's not really about power but a psychological phenomenon.
>>25344182I'm pretty sure they have limited choice in prison for sex.
>>25343865Ted Bundy was just sexually frustrated?
>>25344182Prison rape is a uniquely American fantasy
>>25344481>men who commit any kind of crime must be raped
>>25343865>Every rape case I've read the motivation was always sexual frustration."Rape" isn't a charge in any civilised jurisdiction.
>>25344533>Prison rape is a uniquely American fantasyNo it's an essential democratic myth. The average person wants to see people he has a distaste for degraded and suffering.
>>25344288>Someone normally constrained by laws and social conventions gets to exercise their power over a defenseless target. This allows them to feel as though they have temporarily ascended to a higher social position where they are no longer bound by conventional rules.That seems like an example of offenders being opportunistic, not that the crime happens due to power relations.>>25344306So the claim is that rape is power and sex of varying degrees?
>>25344533>>25344582https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043
>>25344551Men can't become pregnant.
>>25344576You must live in israel.
>>25344533Its so cute when Europeans pretend to care about niggers.
>>25344632>doesn't know about bugchasers
>>25344532Epstein was so it's not impossible.
>>25344651That doesn't have anything to do with pregnancy.It'd be more like >he doesn't know about omegaverse
>>25344479I dunno all I ever heard aside from Freud and folks like Lacan is how male sexuality is le bad instead of le good.
>>25343842it means> dont worry bro youre one of the good guys no will will suspect you of rape unless you try to patriarchially oppress a woman through denying her authentic sexuality in a medieval marriage
>>25344532Was rape all he did?
Rape is an extension of catcalling and other forms of sexual harassment, which are motivated almost entirely by a desire for power / possession. Lust, aside from cases of mental impairment (ex: a retard fondles a chick on the train because he suddenly feels horny), is no stronger in sexual harassers / assaulters than it is in men who do not attack women.When a man whistles at a chick on the street, or makes a lewd comment about her bra, or texts her a picture of his Little Anon, it's not because he thinks doing so will endear him to her--he would have tried a "legal" means of courtship first if that was the case--nor is it even really about her in particular (how many women still get harassed despite showing 0 skin and being definitively unattractive?). Rather, these acts are taken because they reaffirm, to the man performing them: "I could have you. The only thing stopping me is myself." It is pure egotism, pure mental reinforcement. In terms of motivation it is no different from the schoolyard bully pushing the littler kids around to make himself feel big; the sexual framing is just framing.There are variations of rape that complicate this theory - I don't think uncles who diddle their nieces and nephews are motivated by power so much as pedophilia; date / marital rape can be about a need to keep your partner (e.g. girlfriend stopped putting out and you're afraid the relationship is ending), but it can just as easily be the result of pent-up sexual feelings. But generally, when a man decides to a rape a woman, or vice verse or any combination, it is because of something much deeper than an immediate, reactionary emotion like lust; if you are so overwhelmed by lust that you *have* to sexually assault a chick, you're not gonna wait until she's gone into a dark alley before pouncing on her, or look around the train to make sure no one's looking before you grab her ass, you're gonna act then and there.
>>25345106Do you ever think that when you have a set of balls full of cum and you have to release it every week and a half using your hand gets old after awhile?
>>25343842Sex = power
>>25345131This is about 30% of the motivating factor behind getting a girlfriend or seeking a prostitute, yes.
>>25345106>When a man whistles at a chick on the street, or makes a lewd comment about her bra, or texts her a picture of his Little Anon, it's not because he thinks doing so will endear him to herhaha bullshit>he would have tried a "legal" means of courtship first if that was the caseyeah this culture abandoned the concept that a man needs to be introduced to a woman before talking to her or else hes a john looking for a prostitute
>>25345140Rape=good? This guy is evil.
>>25345106>Rape is [...] are motivated almost entirely by a desire for power / possessionyeah see the thing is, in family, the chain of command is God the Father -> Jesus Christ -> husband -> wife -> children. to desire sex without desiring power/possession is to desire fornication which is sinful> i take this woman to be my wife, to have [i.e. power] and to hold [i.e. possession], for better or for worse, in sickness and in health, til death do us part [i.e. inescapable bondage]> i take this man to be my husband, to honor and obey, ... ... ...so basically, the feminist movement claims that the only sex crime is marriage. it is for this reason that God hates america
>>25345106While, I agree with you that instances of rape often have motivations beyond satisfying sexual needs they likely just as frequently do not. Just because an individual indulges a base desire (hunger, thirst, sleep, lust, etc) it doesn't necessarily preclude any other simultaneous considerations. A man might stop at a fast food restaurant to eat rather than wait until he gets home and cooks (indulging hunger immediately) but you wouldn't argue a deeper psychological reason exists because he looked before he crossed the road and paid before he started eating. Indeed, it would be absurd to suggest that someone isn't really hungry unless they start eating without regard to any short term consequence. I would argue that most rapes occur along similar lines: a man sees a woman (or another man) in a compromised position (asleep, intoxicated, otherwise helpless or in a position of weakness) and decides to indulge his lust. That someone takes precautions (your dark alley or wearing a condom) isn't necessarily an indication of a deeper motive merely a reminder that people can have multiple motivations.
>>25344593the argument is not that the 'crime happens because of power relations" but that the impulse, the satisfaction comes from the momentary power relation.unless its like, say matt lauer locking his office door behind you or some lawyer at cravath assaulting you because youre scared for your job.
>>25345248jesus go read a book or two
>>25345402>a man sees a woman (or another man) in a compromised position (asleep, intoxicated, otherwise helpless or in a position of weakness) and decides to indulge his lustso, we have to distinguish rape rape from regret rape and statutory rape. rape rape is a crime committed by criminals, while regret rape is the woman puts herself in a position to have sex and then regrets it, and statutory rape is that sex act was a crime regardless of the consent of the other party - maybe the other party was a child, maybe a subordinate. the thing is, most men have a hard time keeping a boner if the woman doesnt want it, or, if find out theres a child who can hear them having sex with a woman. but women love creating ambiguous situations where they can later say they were raped to avoid taking responsibility for their decision to have sex, and later use that ambiguity as a way of exercising power over a man. and in todays world, without a signed consent form listing all sex acts to be performed and a sex tape, any sex that isnt a one time netflix and chill is automatically rape unless the woman says otherwise. so now you think rape consists of a woman is in a compromising situation and gets taken advantage of. and now you have to discuss what counts as compromising and taking advantage, which is the grey area sluts love
>>25345434i thought you said>the impulse, the satisfaction comes from the mo[ne]tary power relation.and were talking about democrats when theyre not raping
rape has now become a catchall term to describe female frustration and victimhood, it's not a meaningful term anymore when women are reading bestsellers-- publicly advertised for children to see-- about being raped by vampires and werewolves, i don't take anyone who thinks rape today is serious, seriously, especially in the west
>>25345486yeah, its always projection with your kind.fuck off magat
>>25345497i've just realized that rape is like what horror is today when compared to the time before classical antiquity, humans today pay money to get terrified, it's the commodification of terror and horror which harkens back to landian ideas about commodification of any desire regardless of how repulsive we find it today, in 100 years hunger might be a fetish that people pay for because they no longer feel it, lmao, land was right
>>25343842Rape certainly can be. Look at the treatment of Palestinian prisoners in judah. >"Rape with sharp instruments">"Dogs trained to rape children"Well, it's jews so of course it's anti-sexual and aimed at devolutionary pathways.
>>25343842I believe it
>>25343842It's a bullshit feminist myth. If rape was about power, men would rape each other all the time, yet this doesn't happen outside of prisons and the like. Also, rape victims are overwhelmingly women in their teens and twenties. If the feminist meme about rape was true, men would love raping annoying hags and middle-aged Karens, but they hardly ever do.
>>25345551Rape is like a more extreme version of hatefucking
You people clearly never raped anyone
>>25343842>>rape is about power, not sex>What does this mean? I am pretty sure gay people don't rape a lot of women despite being favoured by the patriarchy so I must be missing something.There's a certain type of feminist theorist who argues that since rape in the aggregate usually serves as a form of reinforcing male power structures, and since cases of rape involving gang-violence, or of male-on-male rape, etc. frequently involve explicit references to reinforcing the rapist's masculinity/virility, while diminishing that of the other party, then this means that rape is *inherently* about power in all cases, and never about sex in and of itself. This is an error on their part. Otherwise identical crimes frequently have radically different motives, and rape is no exception to that broader trend. Sometimes rapists simply want to fuck their victims, and don't care if the victim consents; sometimes they lie to themselves, and convince themself that the victim consented; sometimes (rarely) they genuinely, understandably believe that that was the case; and other times the sex-act is merely a means to the end of dehumanizing, and subjugating the victim. It can be either. This effort to create what I like to call a 'unified field theory of rape' made sense in the 70s/80s, when victim blaming was much more prominent, and the use of rape as a weapon was usually ignored by wider society, in favour of the misapprehension that it was almost always just a man with a severe lack of self-control encountering a woman who tickled his fancy, but today it serves as an actively counter-productive over-correction, which prevents worthwhile discussions about consent-education, re-adjusting social norms to make it easier for people to clearly communicate when they are and aren't comfortable, and for addressing female-on-male, and female-on-female rape.
>>25343852They are until you get into discussions of whether or not drag is “womanface”.
>>25345509maggots sounds like people with TDS for sure
>>25345551delicious the confidence of ignorance
>>25345574yeah its about sex in and of itselfabout not having to get consent for the sex in and of itselfie powerdumb ass mother fucker
>>25345637Would you say all crimes are about power, not want?I litter because I got power to litter, not because I want to get rid of trash quickly
>>25345637In that case fucking everything about power, retardo.>stealing money is about doing what you want with that money>ie power
>>25345694or youre too stupid to figure out the difference.good luck.>>25345656likely sometimes you do.keep arguing about your black and white world for meme points
You guys have obviously never studied Ted Bundy.
>>25345152Sounds more like 80% desu
>>25345901He's one of the few to advance beyond the dimensional merge.
>>25346036Genuinely what is this supposed to mean
>>25346041It's a shitpost.
>>25343842>rape is about power, not sex>What does this mean?Rape is an act of selfish and, ultimately, self-pleasuring hedonism. It doesn't take into account the feelings of the victim - only those of the perpetrator. Rape is still about sex, but it's far more about having power over the victim, for without that power, a rapist can't take what they want (sex) for themselves. Sometimes rape happens via physical strength and sometimes it happens via emotional or financial leverage, but it's always about displaying strength.
>>25346163You can't poop without taking steps to the bathroom. Going to the bathroom isn't really about pooping but about taking steps.
>>25345248He's beyond good and evil.
>>25345637>about not having to get consenthistorically, if you wanted to have sex without anyone asking questions about consent, you could get married. now if youre married its rape and if you rape youre actually liberating women from the patriarchy
I have a hard time believing sex isn't rape. "Dating" is literally a project of grooming and manipulating a woman so that you can own her as your "girlfriend"
>>25346478... and that's a good thing.
>>25346201Rape is the act itself. But the motivations behind rape are behind the "rape is about power" talk. Ultimately, the motivation behind rape is a self-serving desire to take what one feels they're "owed", and the only way to take it is through some sort of display of power - whether that's physical strength or emotional/financial leverage (e.g., "sleep with me or I'll fire you"). The whole point of rape is that it's an act of selfish hedonism where only the rapist's feelings and desires matter; the entitlement to someone else's body feeds those desires, and the power needed to fulfill that entitlement is what rape is truly about. Rapists WANT their victims to see how powerless said victims are as a deterrent against future resistance.
>>25346478>"Dating" is literally a project of grooming and manipulating a woman so that you can own her as your "girlfriend"No, it is not. It's a way for people to find a connection with others and, if they're lucky, form a bond that helps both parties compliment the other's strengths and virtues. If you think you "own" the person you're dating because you want them to exclusively date you, that's the exact kind of mindset that breeds the entitlement what leads to rape.
>>25346616>If you think you "own" the person you're dating because you want them to exclusively date youNigga that's literally the entire point of dating and relationships. Otherwise why do people get so upset when their partner cheats on them?
>>25346620>why do people get so upset when their partner cheats on them?That isn't about "owning" someone - it's about trusting the other person not to fuck around behind your back when you're together exclusively. If you're fine with your partner (what the fuck is the gender neutral term for boyfriend/girlfriend anyway?) fucking other people so long as they tell you they're fucking someone else, there's no trust issues there because the knowledge is there. You're supposed to communicate with your partner, not just dictate shit to them. The breaking of trust is why infidelity hurts.
>>25346632>That isn't about "owning" someone - it's about trusting the other person not to fuck around behind your back when you're together exclusivelyI don't really see the difference
>>25346637The difference is that "owning" a person is more of an involuntary thing (e.g., slavery), whereas an exclusive romantic/sexual relationship is a voluntary decision between two (or possibly more) people.
>>25346478You have it backwards.Dating is the process of grooming and manipulating a man so the woman can own everything he's worked for.
>>25346643I find it hard to believe humans can mutually like each other voluntarily
>>25343842It's just fake nonsense made up by women who have never raped anyone. If rape was about power then you'd see more powerful women being raped. In fact, rape is about wanting to have sex with sexy ladies (like what everyone assumed) hence rape victims typically being attractive (not powerful).
>>25343842>pretty sure gay people don't rape a lotLiterally the rapiest cohort
>>25345551Troof Nvke
>>25346637I don't want to catch AIDS, fucktard.
ah, excellent incel rape advice thread.good job, 4shins
>>25346643>an exclusive romantic/sexual relationship is a voluntary decisiondoes the kid get any choice in this voluntary decision
