He's right isn't he?
>>25345518Yeah, pretty much.
>>25345518Yup
>>25345518He’s right in the sense that material hedonism will make politics obsolete. Every nation in the entire world, including the arabs, the Russians , the Iranians and the Chinese, are ultimately bound by the material demands of their people, even if the fulfilling of these material demands comes at the expense of their cultural values. The allure of sex, prostitution, alcohol, fast food etc. is simply too strong to resist for anyone who comes even remotely in touch with it. The desire for material hedonism will unify mankind, and then be its undoing. Goyslop won.
>>25345518Deneen or FukuyumaWho was right?
I don't think Fukuyama is correct. Capitalism looks to me to be increasingly unsustainable with it's basis on eternal growth and low income labor. In any case free markets wont solve the ecological crisis the we are speeding towards. The dying first world population is increasingly being supplemented with labor from low quality cultures which has and will keep creating crises. >>25345603>even if the fulfilling of these material demands comes at the expense of their cultural values.It seems to me that capitalism and commodity fetishism are compatible with just about any culture and there are hardly any contradictions between them whatsoever.
>>25345618>Capitalism looks to me to be increasingly unsustainablehow long have marxists been screeching this
>>25345618>It seems to me that capitalism and commodity fetishism are compatible with just about any culture and there are hardly any contradictions between them whatsoever.Except commodity fetishism and modern bread and circus has been so optimized, has reached such heights on their maximality, that it is erasing everything else. Culture, tradition, myth, religion, everything that made society cohesive is being destroyed at an accelerating pace, and in its place the god of globalized homogeneity is being built. All cultures will eventually be destroyed by inaction against liberalism.
>>25345618Capitalism has perfected its societal dominance, the only foreseeable collapse is the exhaustion of our natural resources which forces its hand.Even that is a maybe.Capitalism is here to stay.
>>25345518Nah. He’s essentially just an optimistic version of Mark Fischer. People always make the mistake of thinking that the present situation will continue indefinitely into the future, whether due to cultural/artistic stagnation or because we’ve settled on the “least wrong” version of society. As much as I respect Baudrillard’s thought I think his claim that 9/11 was the last real “event” is also comparably short-sighted.
>>25345518His acceptance that Hegelian statecraft underestanding has not been improved upon is correct.That this somehow implies a post cold war era being uniquely so seems to me a vulgar interpretation.
>>25345651You are conflating liberalism with capitalism. While I do agree that these are synergetic it seems obvious to me that capitalism can exist within totalitarian facist state and that liberalism is not a necessary component to reproduce capitalist mode of economy.I particularly do not agree that tradition, myth and religion have disappeared because of capitalism. Enlightenment preceeds the industrial revolution and commodity fetishism. This is all to say that I can easily imagine a world where capitalism would have formed without liberalism or rational bugmanity and simply work as the dominating economic mode behind the scenes.
>>25345603Under no system other than the one we are under now, are we all equal and similar. We must defend it.
>>25345759Why do you want everyone to be equal?
>>25345518That Hegel was more than just a precursor to Marx?>yes he was right Thinking he could weasel his way past Kojeve?>dead wrongNow that he is a tuber there is finally equity reached.>still going to sever your head and absorb your spirit.
>>25345518the spread of neoliberal capitalism ended war.the fact is that wars are too expensive and make oil prices rise and stock prices go down.
>be me>post in thread>it diesWhy does this happen everytime?
>>25345787I was taught we are all equal.
>>25347732Aha! You were brainwashed.
>>25345848Mid b8
>>25345518He's a shabbos goy who never says anything about IsraelAlso there is already this thread>>25338344
>>25347774I made this thread to talk about Fisher and his canceled future aktually.
>>25345518The ancient conception that styles of governance operate cyclically may yet defeat him. The Romans couldn't get around this themselves. Of course liberal democracy would be most stable following the collapse of authoritarian tyrannical regimes. Of course Every status quo proclaims itself to be eternal. Beyond these general appeals, every subsequent generation has been increasingly poorer and poorer in western liberal democracies. The breaking point has already been reached, as zoomers and alphoomers do not believe in anything social but a number that allows them to flex on others. Discussion, rationality, common ground, voting, every liberal political pillar is already gone, replaced with retard mob violence, and the refusal to associate with people who have less clout. It's basically just a matter of time before institutions reflect this change
>>25345518>Francis Fukayomomawhat did he say?Also, how am I supposed to take him seriously with a name like that?
>>25347774This "liberal democracy" is just an euphemism for unelected jewish oligarchs controlling the world
>>25347658Because it's the 98th time we have it and 90% of the replies boil down to : >liberalism will win because le heckin goyslop>liberalism will fail because le heckin trooonsNone of you guys are actually interested in engaging with his book. This is just the weekly occasion for a political rant
>>25345518I mean the foremost liberal democracy just lost a war to a backward theocracy. There's no sign of Iran or China liberalizing, so liberalism being the end of history is looking more unlikely.
>>25345518It writes itself sometimes. You just gotta have eyes to see it. The right clown in the wrong place can make all the difference in a society.
