The book of Genesis copied Sumerian creation myths. Adam and Eve never existed, the tree of knowledge, the serpent and the fall from Eden never existed.
>>25345700Adam was created around 3900 BC, which predates Ancient Mesopotamia...sorry chud, but your premise is wrong>inb4 people existed before 3900 BCThey're called pre-Adamites, chud. Maybe you should do some reading and learn something.
>posts google ai resultyeah, fuck this low effort thread
>>25345700>copied Sumerian creation mythsyeah but WHICH myths? besides the ones from their ass
>>25345748Buddy,you're the chud. The atheist OP is just a leftist golem
>>25345780>Cabbalistic Jews are chuds nowOk.
>>25345700>Source: r/mythologyBruh...that's like citing a chud post on 4chan...
>>25345700Source: AI regurgitating posts from wikipedia and reddit.
>>25345700Yeah? This is basic knowledge.
>>25345700You waited 5 minutes to post this? Pajeets never fail to amuse me
>>25345700What is this supposed to refute? Christians believe that all myths have some truth to them. It's not like the claim is that nobody knew anything until the book was written down, and it was oral before they were written.
>>25345700You are literally retarded. Cultures all over the world have flood myths. That's how these things propagate.
>>25345700welcomehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_philosophy
What about the myth of the gods creating Humans to tend to their gardens, and the myth of the serpent and the plant of immortality? How is it that so many old testament myths are jusr copied myths from older civilisations? Yet there are millions of Christians, Jews, and Muslims who literally believe that Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden for eating a forbidden fruit.
>>25346302meant for >>25346283>>25346277
>>25345700the metaphysical verisimilitude actually hurts your secular atheistic case for stochastic origin anon...(the observations are both non-random yet not empirically derived, so how did this epistemically come to be?)
>>25346302https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accommodation_(religion)
>>25346327That article is written from a Christian perspective, if the Sumerians also believed in "accomdation" they would say that their gods(plural) have communicated with other civilisations.>>25346324Why are you bringing up Atheism? My claim in the OP is that Adam and Eve of the book of genesis never existed
>>25346350Your claim is that because the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh was written before the Old Testament, then the Old Testament flood must be false. Your argument makes no sense.
>>25346379Noah's flood definitely didn't happen. Multiple civilisations around the world have stories about floods because floods were a frequent occurrence. But Noah's flood would have been on an apocalyptic scale, it would have killed all life on Earth, including life in the oceans and seas(due to sudden massively decreased salinity), all of the Earth's biomes would have been destroyed, there would be geological evidence of such a flood everywhere on land, and that's before getting to the impossibility of fitting a pair of every animal on one ship, and the fact that no animal species on Earth show evidence of such a genetic bottleneck in their genomes.
>>25346385God fixed all that afterward.
>>25346302Read the first post in the thread, dumbass. There's a reason you never replied to it. It's because you can't refute it.
>>25346385In Orthodoxy at least, the book of Genesis is largely seen as metaphorical fables created to give ancient Hebrews proper understanding of their world and moral clarity by Moses writing on God’s behalf with Mark 2:27 as evidence for this (Mark 2:27 implies 6 day creation is symbolic).
>>25346385>there's no evidence of NoAh'S fLoOd!!!>erm the Sahara Desert just doesn't exist btwYour brain on r/atheism
>>25346385Here's what the official US Catholic website says about the flood story.>How should modern readers interpret the creation-flood story in Gn 2–11? The stories are neither history nor myth. “Myth” is an unsuitable term, for it has several different meanings and connotes untruth in popular English. “History” is equally misleading, for it suggests that the events actually took place. The best term is creation-flood story. Ancient Near Eastern thinkers did not have our methods of exploring serious questions. Instead, they used narratives for issues that we would call philosophical and theological. They added and subtracted narrative details and varied the plot as they sought meaning in the ancient stories. Their stories reveal a privileged time, when divine decisions were made that determined the future of the human race. The origin of something was thought to explain its present meaning, e.g., how God acts with justice and generosity, why human beings are rebellious, the nature of sexual attraction and marriage, why there are many peoples and languages. Though the stories may initially strike us as primitive and naive, they are in fact told with skill, compression, and subtlety. They provide profound answers to perennial questions about God and human beings.Source: https://bible.usccb.org/bible/genesis/0
>>25345700You’re right but you posted an AI summary so I will just be shitting in this thread.
>>25346399bhenchod
>>25345700>SumerianPersian>creation mythsjust some rich guy's garden. Apparently very impressive for a savage desert nomad.
>>25346389It's young Earth creationist nonsense, carbon dating of a 50,000 piece of an ancient tree disproves it
>>25346468>carbon dating"According to some Qabalists, there were certain worlds which were created previously to ours. Rabbi Isaac ha-Cohen, who lived during the middle of the 13th century, was one of the most significant advocates of this idea. These worlds were created solely from the principles of the left side which had their root in Binah, thus allowing the separating force of Geburah to operate unhindered. Since these worlds had been created by the disintegrating and destructive principle, they were also totally destructive. Hence, they imploded through their own evil and destructive nature. <...> Rabbi Eleazar of Worms introduces the thought that God initially created a world that was entirely evil in an attempt to find at least two good persons within it. If this could not occur the world would fall apart, since no world can exist without at least two good persons.The problem was that not a single good person arose in these worlds of pure evil. According to Tract Regarding the Left Emanations by Rabbi Isaac ha-Cohen, God made three attempts. First a world arose from 'strange forms' and 'destructive appearances'. It was an evil and cruel world ruled by Qamtiel. This world was so evil that it was destroyed and returned to the original spring of Binah. A second attempt was made, and a new world emanated forth from even stranger forms and appearances. Its ruler was Belial and this world was even worse that its predecessor. It was destroyed like the first world. A third world emanated forth from even stranger and more destructive forms than the first and the second. Its ruler was Ittiel and this world was the worst of all three. The forces of this world desired to place themselves above the divine, and wished to chop down the Tree of Life itself. This world was also destroyed, and a decision was made not to create any more worlds resembling these.Instead, God created our world that contains a mixture of good and evil, and as a result man contains both good instincts (yeser ha-tob) and evil instincts (yeser ha-ra). This world means, however, that the righteousness decreases among the righteous since they are assisted by the good and the divine, and do not choose good against all odds. But, at the same time, the three entirely evil worlds revealed that no worlds might exist solely through the destructive worlds of Geburah. If a world is to be able to exist the forces of Geburah must be balanced by Chesed, and this is the situation in the world of man, Malkuth.The original, evil worlds fade away andIreturn re to their origin in Binah. Rabbi Isaac ha-Cohen compares this to how a wick in oil burns due to the oil, but how its fire can be put out in the same oil. But, everything does not return. Certain residues of the three original evil worlds continue to exist as remnants, or as hardened lava from an extinct volcano. These remnants are the evil of the world and are called Qliphoth."
>>25346483>Rabbi Isaac ha-CohenI'm not going to listen to the ramblings of a Jew. Young Earth creationism is complete nonsense, there's plenty of archaeological and geological evidence that disproves it. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old.
>>25346486>he thinks each of the six days were 24 hoursHow could the concept of a day exist when the sun didn't exist until after day 3? You're also willfully misunderstanding what Pre-Adamite means and implies. Are you a leftist? Because you're arguing like one (pretending to misunderstand things in order to make discourse impossible).
>>25345700Even if this wasn’t the case, studying other ancient epics gives you a very patterned understanding of the primitive human mind and how it constructed mythology. Reading the OT feels much like reading The Iliad in its structure/character depth but way more long winded, boring, and painfully jewish. The NT feels way more inspired by Greco-Roman theatre, which makes sense given its compiled authorship in Greek by scholars versed in the language through inscribing prior Greek literature to codex.The Bible on its own would be a much more interesting segment of ancient mythology if it wasn’t ruined by generational breeds of apocalyptic cultists who take mystical canaanite slave fanfiction seriously so many centuries later.
>>25346529laurent guyenot wrote a very interesting analysis of genesis. have you read it?
>>25346529You forgot to write "*tips fedora*"
>>25346564Every trope that made New Atheism ‘cringe’ in the 2010s is now just being committed by Online Nu-Christians. It’s the consequence of mixing dogmatic assumptions/beliefs with zero barriers to entry, which will inevitably swing the pendulum once again once this current useful psyop zeitgeist runs its course. Hope you got your own fedora on standby brother.
