>Perhaps the term that best defines the difference between us is “radical.” Radical in the sense of total and absolute opposition to the existing political system and to the state itself. Radical in the sense of combining an intellectual opposition to the state with an implacable hatred of its system of organized crime and injustice. Radical in the sense of a deep commitment to the spirit of freedom and anti-statism that brings together reason and emotion, heart and soul.>The radical libertarian is not just an abolitionist; he refuses to think in terms of a four-year plan for some kind of impressive and measured procedure for reducing the state. The radical — whether anarchist or laissez-faire — cannot think in terms of, “Well, in the first year we’ll cut income taxes by 2 percent, abolish the CPI, and reduce the minimum wage; in the second year we’ll eliminate the minimum wage, cut income taxes by another 2 percent, and reduce welfare payments by 3 percent, etc.” The radical cannot think in such terms because the radical sees the state as our mortal enemy, to be crushed everywhere and at all times.was he cooking with this one?
Not particularly. I don't care for this man's semantics regarding anything actually. It is terrible. Von Mises was always the best Austrian economist and Rothbard was much worse. As I understand it, Murray Rothbard doesn't even understand Marginal Economics. Walras. Now that's a man's economist. Read the Elements of Pure Economy by Walras. That was by a French Mathematician. It was absolutely incredible.
>>25354374AUSTRIAN ECONOMICSSteal manhole coverSell to scrapyardBuy drugsWait for cover to be replacedAnyone remember this meme? Bit before most current anons' time I guess.
Its incredible how a bunch of retarded millennial gender studies college graduates with a phd in antiracism manage to convince zoomers both right wing and left wing that libertarianism is bad, ayn rand is worse than hitler, and boomers are responsible for all their problems while the millennials (chiefly) and gen x voted to demographically replace them, make it impossible to find well paying careers, and convince them to further divide into tribalist camps just because Tyrone started crying over Trayvon getting got for justified reasons.
>>25354392Vaguely
>>25354400Not all of us were like that but most guys I know who were libertarians back then just got blue collar jobs.
>>25354427so they were just larpers
>>25354374Already debunked by Hobbes.
>>25354400Neoliberalism (which the Austrian economists built) means that the GDP must rise without any social spending which means that voting becomes a choice between>crippling austerityor>increased immigration to reduce the cost of laborYou can blame colleges for people rejecting this false dichotomy, you can mystify yourself and believe that Jews are responsible for people voting for the non-austerity option, but you should try to understand that Rand cultists engineered the '08 housing crisis and that understandibly turned people against them.
>>25354453>Neoliberalism (which the Austrian economists built)terminology fallacy>means that the GDP must rise without any social spending which means that voting becomes a choice between>crippling austerityor>increased immigration to reduce the cost of laborlibertarians like Rothbard and Hoppe don't believe in democracy and are against immigration, hence why they have always been under attack by the the establishment "libertarians", which is what OP's quote is aimed at
>>25354519If you gut the state and hand all power over to the capitalists, they will try to nuke the cost of labor by increasing supply using foreign laborers. It doesn't matter if the architects of such a system thinks it should work otherwise.
The more I read about libertarianism the more childish it sounds, I mean what even the fuck is the NAP, imagine having the central principle of your philosophy be something as vague as a non agression principle, you cannot define what constitutes agression.
>>25354608Virtually every war of aggression or individual act of aggression in human history has been rationalized as self defense in some way. "non-Aggression" and "self-interest" are totally subjective terms.
>>25354392I remember that retarded meme. It makes the false assumption that there would be no law enforcement.
>>25354451>Life in the state of nature is solitary stopped reading there. he’s objectively wrong. >>25354547>If you gut the state and hand all power over to the capitalistsyou do not understand capitalism unless you understand that it comes from the state and cannot survive without the state >they will try to nuke the cost of labor by increasing supply using foreign laborersyou are describing the system we already have.
>>25354432>working a real job>somehow a LARPerOkay retard
>>25354608>>25354644>you cannot define what constitutes agression>"non-Aggression" and "self-interest" are totally subjective termsnot everyone agrees on what constitutes breakup-worthy behavior. it’s subjective, but that doesn’t mean relationships are impossible.
>>25354374The state is corporations is libertarianism. Libertarianism is totalitarianism in the same way that communism is; those who hold absolute power will totally just be nice about it bro trust me
>>25354374>let us use child labor and dump radioactive waste in the ocean or we'll throw a turbo autistic meltyAncaps are just useful idiots for neoliberalism WEF demons.
>>25354547This, unfettered immigration is anti-nation and is class warfare. The biggest irony is anti capitalist leftist who are pro open border despite this.
>>25354374Austrian/neoliberal economics are nothing but a counter revolutionary school of sophistry against classical economics denouncement of rentierism and monopolistic capitalism. Nothing but a load of shit to depolitize the state in the economic sphere to permit western plutocrats to run free.
>>25356346braindead analogy, if two people disagree about what's breakup-worthy, the worst case outcome is they stop datingif two people disagree about what constitutes aggression or legitimate property rights, the disagreement doesn't end the relationship, it determines who gets to use force against whom.the entire point of the NAP is to tell us when violence is justified, so ambiguity is a much bigger problem
>>25356446ambiguous and subjective are not the same thing. some people will shoot you on sight if you trespass on their property, others will fire a warning shot or brandish a weapon and then kill you soon after if you don’t leave immediately, others will be extremely reluctant to use force. there is no reason why all three homeowners need to be forced under threat of violence to react identically to trespassers. there is nothing incoherent or unworkable about a society where different people have different standards.
>>25354400Rothbard considered Ayn Rand to be worse than Hitler
>>25354608All it would take is one Nazi to conquer an ancap society.
>>25356926you misused the following words in that sentence>one>Nazi>conquer>ancap>society
>>25354374Based, only redditors will disagree
>>25356664I was not even talking about trespassing, but let me indulge your stupidity, imagine your kid is out playing with his friends and they find themselves trespassing over someone elses property by mistake, perhaps the owner kindly tells them to leave, and perhaps he is a psychopath and shoots them on sight, the problem with your reasoning is that both actions are valid under the NAP.now I dont know about you, but I do not wish to live in a system that enables trigger happy people
>>25356855Well, yeah, Hitler killed tens of millions of gentiles and elevated Jews into a ruling class via victimization, what did Ayn Rand ever do to advance Zionism?
>>25357818>I do not wish to live in a system that enables trigger happy peopleI’ve got bad news for you, anon
>>25354400Libertarianism is cringe though
>>25356664The society of people with different standards is only possible because of the overarching law setting a global standard
>>25354453>crippling austerityis just a stupid way of wording "no gibs from Daddy State". Crippling austerity should be in effect everywhere and at all times.
>>25356232Who would enforce the law without a state? Private companies or individuals will only defend their own property and the concept of the commons wouldn't exist. The only ones defending manhole covers from theft would be the company that placed them, i.e the water management company. But they would have very little incentive to hire private security to guard every single manhole cover, or to hire private detectives to investigate the thefts. It's just a waste of money from their side and it retards their business since they can't overstretch themselves like this.
>>25358064''gibs from daddy state'' like roads and the law against theft (both kind of necessary for you to do trade)
>>25354519> Rothbard and Hoppe don't believe in democracy and are against immigrationYeah that’s mostly because they’re contrarians and don’t want to associate with the left libertarians in order to appeal to the far-right audience. Guys like Elon wouldn’t be libertarians if lolberts and ancaps had the same rhetoric as leftwing parties on social issues.That’s why 90% of ancap discourse on any social topic is often>well I believe in the free market except in my personal fiefdom where I’ll impose nazi society and brutally kill all fagsJust read Hoppe on the matter and it becomes revealing>>25356353>>25356405This. I wished there was a study done on where libertarians get their funding but I’m convinced that 95% of them are just vaguely convinced intellectuals paid by neolib institutions propped up by the most wealthy to legitimize their reign
>>25356405I’m an Austrian proponent and I largely agree but I’m going to push back a bit. Austrians are generally shit on the Land Question, but at least they acknowledge Land’s uniqueness as a factor of production unlike Neoclassicals and Monetarists. Austrians are generally pretty good on Intellectual Property and rents though. >>25356353I mean, how much pollution is caused by transportation subsidies and land use laws that make our transportation culture so car dependent? Or subsidies to monoculture commodity crops the use of and fertilizers for their growth? If there’s no market for radioactive products, why waste time going through a process that’ll make radioactive sludge?
>>25357952self-contradictory nonsense.
>>25358113you are a starving soviet citizen standing in a bread line listening to someone suggest privatizing agriculture and food production, and even though you haven’t eaten in a week, your response is>if the government doesn’t feed us, we’ll starve!
>>25358206Like 10% of your taxes go to roads and law enforcement. Almost all goes to gibs.
>>25354374He went full retard when he wrote The Death of a State
>>25358365didn't happen. per capita caloric intake was higher in the ussr well into the 80s
>>25358592>mass starvation didn’t happen in the soviet union kek
yo someone make a thread with alan greenspan's book so we can discusss is legacy
