How do we solve America's literacy crisis and force books into the hands of the populous?
>>25356947revert all consumer grade tech back to the 80s
oh man i didn't know neil postman looked like shit
>>25356966He actually looks a bit jolly. You should listen to his voice
>>25356947Send them to college.
>>25356984>91% literacy rate in the 1800s>46% literacy rate todayI don't think college is going to help them.
>>25356997I'd need the sauce on both of those claims.
>>25356999I verified it on his behalf
>>25357004Thanks, anon, but I was more interested in the criteria for what constitutes "literacy" in those two cases.
>>25356947get technology out of the hands of children obviously but their retarded parents dont care as theyre as far gone. literacy will be a fringe interest for those who educate themselves.
>>25357245>many will not be able to internalize nietzsche and become a /lit/fag and jerk off the same 3 philosophers on top of that to fit in.Maybe it's for the best.
>>25357245It's not just that. Many will be cultural eunuchs alongside their illiteracy. Not being literate is being gatekept from a large portion of your own culture and your culture's mythos. It severs any deeper understanding about your own country's beliefs.
Make schools suck less so people can competently read without it feeling to them like a chore. Make fun cheap low friction pulp type stuff widely available and convenient without having to search hard for it. Like convenience store racks and the like. Include cool pictures both as covers but also to complement the text within the book. Incorporate these neo-pulps into mainstream pop-culture and treat it as a mainstream entertainment rather than high art. Give bigger projects marketing budgets and modern marketing campaigns rather than whatever the fuck current publishers are doing, which if you aren't already in the bookish part of the internet is the equivalent to fuck all. I think such neo-pulps would make reading more popular, but would significantly worsen standards of writing, if that is something you care about. However the root issue is education being shit so the vast majority of people are surprisingly weak readers. Have to fix that first before much progress can be made.
Get rid of cellphones, 90% of the web, and TVI think the world would be happier if movies etc. were something you had to physically leave your house and go be with other people to experience.
populous is the adjective for something with a large population, populace is the noun for "the masses"
>into the hands of the populous
>>25356947people need to start caring abt what their kids do. No one, especially not children should be on social media like tik tok or instagram for 4 hours a day. They need hobbies and interests, its depressing how many people just dont have any hobbies.Also stop schools from making reading such a chore. Dont force kids to read some bs they dont care abt, let them pick from a list or something. Sad truth is if u want kids to read making them read a novel abt racism bad or sexism bad isnt gonna make them think reading is cool, give them some actual cool and interesting shit.
>>25357358>its depressing how many people just dont have any hobbies.It's beyond fucking horrific how many American's don't spend their time doing hobbies. Something that isn't fucking watching Tv, doomscrolling, or gooning. There has to be some philosophy behind the dangers of not having a hobby and how much it damages the soul.
hobby/ˈhɒbi/A hobby is a regular activity undertaken for pleasure or relaxation, typically during one's leisure time. It is a pursuit done for personal enjoyment rather than as a primary profession or obligationwatching TV is objectively a hobby
>>25357358Gen Z Class of 2024. These are books I had to read in high school. >little fires everywhere >absolutely true story of a part time indian>i know why the caged bird sings>kindredNo wonder I dropped out and got a GED.
>>25357365Anything can be a hobby. I think you need to at least have some interest in something that adds to your life. I dont think theres much of value in hobbies like doomscrolling, TV or gooning.
>>25357365No, that's called passive consumption, which is different from drawing, woodworking, knitting.
>>25357290So essentially just adding stimulation and retarded entertainment qualities to shit instead of accepting that things in life are going to be boring and not everything in life has to be entertaining? Very cool.
>>25356972He looks evil in that picture
>>25357381that may be your definition, but let's stick to the agreed definitionsyou're making personal value judgements
>>25357365>>25357392This is bait, ignore this poster. Don't think for even a second that there's anyone alive too retarded to distinguish the colloquial definition of hobby (a pastime in which you create thing) from the official definition (any leisure activity).Ignore this guy and return to discussing the psychological harm caused by passive consumption, that was much more interesting.
>>25357365>>25357381The objective definition of hobby is as described. An activity is more of a hobby the less useful or important it is. Drawing, woodworking, and knitting can generate money and builds a skill making them objectively more useful and important than, say, watching TV and movies. They are, by definition, lesser hobbies. Reading is somewhere in the middle depending on the subject. If you gain knowledge from the book, as opposed to pure entertainment, it isn't much of a hobby.
>>25357398Do you see the irony in rejecting the push for more accurate terminology in favour of imprecise colloquialisms?
>>25357404bait bait bait bait obvious bait super bait bait not responding go to /pol/ or something thanks
>>25357403>oxford first editionwhy are you referring a a ~100 year old edition?
>>25356947>How do we solveAccept that universal literacy was a brief abnormality. The goys crave the mines of mindlessness.
>>25357398By ignoring the value and reasoning behind real hobbies (passive consumption, mindless collecting, and child play) you promote a culture that only accepts work and its myriad simulations in the form of productive activity. This is inherently antihuman and impossible to enforce on cultures at large.>>25357407Why would you refer to a dictionary written yesterday by the Ministry of Truth, who have a financial incentive to promote a workaholic culture?
>>25357408the mines of mindlessness?
Bait or... insufferable retard? Everyone knows what is meant by actually doing something beneficial with your time and mindlessly wasting your days.
>>25357414>Everyone knows
>>25357392Where in your provided definition would television be a contender for a hobby? Yes it is entertaining, because it is just entertainment. Not a hobby. Entertainment is leisurely, but having the qualities of being leisurely doesn't make it a hobby. TV has minimal effort and has little personal growth involved.
>>25357418Point to any dictionary stating a hobby must be eudaimonic rather than hedonistic
>>25357418>a hobby is a regular activityLet's see anon, is watching television an activity? Yes, duh. You are sitting on the couch or a chair. You are making decisions as to what to watch. You are taking in light through the eyes and processing it in the brain to make sense of it. You can even engage with the television by making inferences and predictions, or comparing and contrasting. You can actively take notice of how shots were set up, how an actor portrayed a character, how the dialogue was hamfisted or brilliant.>for pleasure or relaxationThis is subjective. Do you have severe autism? Some spastics are incapable of appreciating popular entertainment and art such as music and film. Is that why you don't think television is a hobby? Are you jealous?>not a primary profession or obligationAre you Siskel & Ebert, or writing for a newspaper column? No? Then this criteria is fulfilled.Television is objectively a more pure hobby than anything you would consider productive. Productivity, by definition, makes something LESS of a hobby.
Hobby vs Enriching hobby? or something like that?
>>25357427Wowee. Way to stretch "activity" so broadly that it almost becomes meaningless.So I guess sitting on my ass for 6 hours straight on TikTok is a hobby? Very cool.>This is subjective. Do you have severe autism? Some spastics are incapable of appreciating popular entertainment and art such as music and film. Is that why you don't think television is a hobby? Are you jealous?What does this have to do with literally anything? Are you retarded?>Television is objectively a more pure hobby than anything you would consider productiveNot an argumentThank God I live in a majority white country and not in a shithole like America where they think an activity such as watching RuPaul's Drag Race and Jerry Springer should be in the same category as woodworking, drawing, and being a sculptor. No wonder they are dying.
>>25357390>how dare you suggest that entertainment should be entertaining to be popular>It should be boring, hard, and obscure>surely that will solve the problem laid out by OPYou can ether have books be a elitist status symbol for over educated people with too much time on their hands but their will lose their cultural relevancy outside of there extremely small and constantly shrinking niche. Or you can make something lower brow but has mass market appeal that gets normal everyday people to read in their highly limited free time for fun. Shit is hard for the average person. They want amusement, not something that feels like hard work for no gain after already having their soul drained by their job(s). Not that it even matters since until the education thing is fixed the amount of people who read recreationally will continue to decline.
>>25357455NTA but he is definitionally right. You seem to just be going off feels and vibes. He also has the more rationally sound argument than you.
>>25357455>sitting on my ass for 6 hours straight on TikTok is a hobby?yes, by every dictionary definition
>>25357460I'm glad you base your opinions off of what "sounds" right to you after saying that I was the one going off of feels and vibes. Congratulations.
>>25356947>How do we solve America's literacy crisisPhonics based reading education.> force books into the hands of the populous?Cheap audiobooks
>>25357465Wrong definition of sound dude. The phrase "rationally sound argument" means rationally solid, valid, or true. [i]sound3 of 7adjective1a: free from injury or diseaseof sound mindb: free from flaw, defect, or decaysound timber2a: solid, firmsound constructionb: stablea sound economyalso : secure, reliablesound investments3a: free from error, fallacy, or misapprehensionsound advicesound reasoningb: exhibiting or based on thorough knowledge and experiencesound scholarshipc: legally valida sound titled: logically valid and having true premisesa sound estimatee: agreeing with accepted views : orthodoxsound doctrine[/i]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sound
I mean, its sort of a recent thing this whole "crisis" one factor of course is the amount of distraction with smart phones, video games, streaming, social media.If i were the CIA i would do a psyop to develop a subculture of "unplugged" peopleSecond, you need to make writers into celebrities again, you need a person the youth can look up to and anticipate their workfinally, i would choose a book and over promote it in the media, like harry potter mania in the late 90s and early 2000s
>>25357472Cool, can you give me the definition of pedantic and the dictionary fallacy? Thanks.
why engage with such obvious bait?
>>25357499I could but it would be a off topic red herring. Main thrust of the issue is your counterpoint was based off the wrong definition of a word which lead to a misinterpretation/misrepresentation of the point being argued. I only gave the correct definition for how the word was being used in context to add clarity to the conversation so that what is argued is about what was actually meant, rather than some phantom argument no one actually made. That is nether pedantic nor a "dictionary fallacy" in the context of what was actually said.You are making it very hard to remain good faith in this discussion.
>>25357527Exactly, there was almost an actual conversation here.
>>25357479All of this isn't necessary. Just allow young males to take part in humanities and publishing unhindered by misandry and IDpol, and clearly communicate to males that it's a new day for them where this is concerned, and they'll fix it all themselves.If they won't even allow this much then all other approaches are for naught.
Make america 100% white and the literacy rate would shoot right up immediately.
>>25356947This is literally the cause of technology. That's it. Specifically short-form content. I'm the only zoomer I know that reads, all my other friends are perfectly content watching youtube and instagram for all their information. It's created this bubble where they only watch what they agree with, and have little depth of knowledge. I have a friend who believes in radical natsoc shit, which is fine if you actually do your research and know what you believe in, but he gets all his information from instagram reels. Says he hates reading. He's fine just taking things he sees at face value, doesn't even question any of it because he thinks it sounds right. Anyways, we just need to get rid people's dependence on the internet and technology. But I think that's a pointless endeavor and literacy will only get worse.
Whenever you see the "LE HECKIN MEN DON'T LE READ!!11" bullshit, you should know it's completely fakeWhat they mean is that men aren't buying new books written by female authors, they're pirating classics, not posting about it on social media etcBut if you don't do those things, to women, it doesn't exist, therefore creating this dumb men don't read thing
>>25357455What are your thoughts on video games as a hobby?
>>25356947>the hands of the populous start with yourself
>>25357290That doesn't help. In my country pulp fiction tier stuff is sold at news stands, and train stations have machines that sell paperbacks with anything from schlock to low grade /lit/ stuff like kafka or dostoevski. It doesn't help, maybe like 5-10% of the population is very well-read, another 30% read self-help books and light fiction and the rest are bumbling retards. Being interested in literature is something that needs to be instilled in you in early childhood
>>25357455>So I guess sitting on my ass for 6 hours straight on TikTok is a hobby?Yes, a shitty hobby.
>>25357427>Television is objectively a more pure hobby than anything you would consider productive. Productivity, by definition, makes something LESS of a hobby.passive hobbies are no more hobbies than active hobbies.. actually, a passive hobby might only be, in itself, a setting of your environment. this TV equals performative reading, but proper reading is more of a hobby than either
>>25358153I'm also a zoomer that reads. Why didn't you include me in your post? *Bitch slaps*
>>25356947At this point, just make eyecontact with as many people for as long as you can and pray to the Deii ex Libri et Scripti (Gods from the Books and the Written) that eyecontactinternet will transfer all of the information. People can't be assed to read or study because they their attention spans are too short (my experience with local libraries and universities confirmed this, but as always, we want to be better than that), the select and literary industrious few who cán handle longform and substantial monograph because they've mastered their crafts for decades by doing the menial work like studying car license plates and milk cartons nauseam first will have to 'write in facial gestures', because emotion and feeling are one of the few communication methods comprehendable by most. People comprehend feeling, a short smile and salutatio in the streets, a greeting, a sunnily moodily whistle, a spontaneous remark at the grocery store, treating the cashier ladies with dignity. There are many ways to read Anon, and there are many ways to write, and if you'd honed your craft, you'd known this, and that forcing anyone to do something they don't really want to do in a fallacy ad absurdum is torture, and we don't do that as a Humanity.If you want to solve America's literacy crisis, my most workable amd hearty advice would be that YOU go to the library TODAY and read until you can't read anymore because you've fulfilled your reading needs, and then read some more until you've grasped the basis of 'Doing something for somebody less gifted than you' and after that STUDY in the library until you've fulfilled all your study needs and wants, and then study until you've grasped the more advanced idea of 'working for those who are less gifted than you'. Congratulations: you helped.
>>25360005Sametapper here. *ad nauseam.
>>25357358Sex begets sex babies.Studying books begets babies who grow up to study.What comes in, goes out.
>>25360048Are you high?
