The war in Iran did not take place
>>25358397Kys hohol tranny
>>25358439are you retarded
>>25358443See >>25358439
>>25358462>le wikipedia page means there was an actual war
>>25358468Im not reading allatYou lost tranny
I must've missed something. Is orange man pretending he never attacked them now?
>>25358474Op is right. The last real war was probably the Second World War, maybe Korea. But after that it’s just virtual reality, manipulation of images and delusions. The casualties remain the only tangible thing left.
>>25358488Well no you can call your buddy in tehran and ask him to confirm that x building got blowed up Otherwise you may as well say that nothing exists that you're not personally witnessing (valid opinion)
>dude, it's almost like the gulf war like didn't happen because most people only got to experience it through limited and curated media exposure!Why do people take philosophers seriously? Surely, anyone can come up with this sophomoric dribble.
>>25358488I get Baudrillard's point about propaganda exaggerating military realities. But once bombs start falling and people start dying, it feels like hair-splitting to argue that doesn't count as a "war."
>>25358490>buildings getting blown up = warYou are beyond retarded
>>25358490This is not an epistemological position, but a criticism of media in mass and digital society.
>>25358498>le people died
>>25358500Buildings blown up, factories exploded, refineries on fire, a hubdred something schoolgirls dead, thousands of lebanese expelled from their land
>>25358500What do you need as satisfactory evidence to make it a real war then, dumb faggot?>>25358505Same argument tho. U don't see it = it might not be real!!?!?!11
>>25358510>>25358513Are you retarded? Buildings getting blown up and a few thousand civilians getting killed is not a war. This is the point Baudrillard is making. 9/11 had about as many deaths as the "war" in Iran.
>>25358513This is not about whether one can know that something can be called a war with sufficient evidence. It’s about the whole media ecosystem that man lives and breathes in since the second half of the 20th century. You’re getting bombarded with images and expert opinion and they show you the same clip of a building getting hit by a drone and burning over and over. In that environment you can no longer apply the term reality. We are way beyond that.
>>25358508Damn, he's saying no real humans died in the gulf war
>>25358525He's saying a few people dying ≠ war
>>25358508The iran war isn't a pre-scripted unilateral media event with a defined outcome. There was a pre scripted outcome with ready made images of liberal iranian protesters overthrowing the regime and tearing down the statues, but it didn't pan out.There's no shortage of propaganda and media spectacle but at its heart is a contest between two powers over concrete matters of sovreignty and supply chains.
>>25358526>>25358523Ok stupid fag, how many people need to be confirmed dead furniture to be a "real war"?>>25358524Wow, amazing insights from 40 years ago
>>25358526At least it was victimless
>>25358529Good post, I support this
>>25358529You don't understand Baudrillard. Nothing changed from the war. It would make no difference if the war had not happened.
>>25358533If the US deployed troops to Iran, and US soldiers had died in significant numbers, that would've made it a war.
War has always been mediated. Consider the use of the radio and film in WWII, of photography in the U.S. Civil War, even the birth of mass print journalism in continental wars in the 17th century. There has never been an unmediated war. Furthermore, if you believe that a traditional opposition of armies on a battlefield is what constitutes a war, or a symbolic contest, then you are going to have go far, far back to find anything that strictly fits the definition, and even then, there is no good reason to consider that the essence of a war. It was a common complaint at the time even for WWII that it was just an abstract industrial machine, not a war.An utter non-point from Baudrillard larpers, as usual.
>>25358539Status quo ante bellum was the goal
>>25358529>there was a script, but it didn't pan out>>t-they can't just write a different script.
>>25358539Iran's victory changed a lot more than the gulf war. This is like saying elections are fake so Trump getting elected hasn't changed shit. They ARE fake, but large upsets within fake systems can lead to very non-fake shifts in the surrounding reality.
>>25358549In WWII soldiers marched into Dresden after the bombings. No US soldiers were deployed in Iran. WWII resulted in significant changes in politics (occupation of Germany and Japan and new constitutions). Almost nothing changed from the "war" in Iran.
>>25358548No, ur a completely retarded faggotRaw numbers don't mean shitkys
>>25358554>Iran's victoryWhat did they actually win?
>>25358539You're dumb. The global superpower beating up on a weak army and winning downtown change the zeitgeist much, no shit.The global superpower attacking a a conplete underdog and suffering a humiliating physical military defeat is a different story altogether.
>>25358565See>>25358439They won the war. Officially. In front of the entire world.
>>25358566And what has the US lost, exactly?
>>25358568>They won the war.What did they win? What was their reward?
>>25358559So if American troops were deployed in Iran and significant political changes happened, then the Iran War would have taken place? Do you think the Iraq War took place, then? The War in Afghanistan? Now the Vietnam War took place, too.
>>25358559Oh I see, so you're playing thr game where you set your narrow, personal definitions of what's a "real" war and what's a "fake" war.Grow up retard, nonine respects spergy nitpicking autists like you. You're not clever.
>>25358533Don’t they insights apply even more now. Most people spend their whole life now in the unreal spaces of media. Us all included. And we can’t escape it either. The only real thing about our life is sleep, moving the body from a to b and eat. The rest, work, information, entertainment is all beyond, somewhere in the orbit.
>>25358576War is the continuation of politics by other means. There was literally no change in politics as a result of the "war".
>>25358571>>25358574See>>25358568Dumb faggot. Their reward is that they kept their sovereignty, acquired official control over a key global bottleneck, removed their enemies' strategic presence from their entire region, raised their prestige in the eyes of every other nation, etc. etc. etc.The rewards of winning a major war are immense
>>25358580Hahaha ok kid
>>25358581>Their reward is that they kept their sovereigntyThat's not a reward, dumbass.>acquired official control over a key global bottleneckThey always had control over it.>removed their enemies' strategic presence from their entire regionAs if that matters in the age of long range missiles >raised their prestige in the eyes of every other nationNot really. You think anyone will stop allying with the US and ally with Iran after this?Despite losing the "war", the US isn't even paying reparations to Iran. This is a total non-war.
>>25358579Not really. The savviest media users now are something like osint hubs themselves, with practically second-hand intel from wherever the action is.Watching CNN or Fox in 1991 was a completely different situation. Reality really was very controlled and curated back then, compared to the internet.
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>>25358591Ok, then I guess every war is a non-war
>>25358593>practically second-hand intel from wherever the action isYou're so full of shit
>>25358595Is he your new daddy? You're looking for a daddy you can listen to?
>>25358601>no argumentsshut the fuck up
>>25358600There's this thing called social media, you should check it out. Telegram, X, it's wild!
>>just because two nation states are mobilizing armed forces to kill people doesn't mean a war is happening in the strict sense that follows from everything that has been said so far
>>25358603Quote your daddy some more
>>25358604>implying social media isn't full of shit>>25358605>mobilizing armed forces You are retarded if you think the US deployed troops in this "war"
>>25358606kill yourself
>>25358593These are just fragmented versions of big news agencies. No one can provide the full picture. We’re lost in the images and perspectives, buddy.
>>25358607>the US>>implying anything i said>>implying it is what i believe>>>kirkenuinely implying
>>25358607Got any more screenshot of your intellectual daddy's book to go along with that?If you find enough daddies in books, maybe one day you will even be able to stand on your own feet!
Baudrillard used to only be for impressionable young grad school and MFA students. Now he's for impressionable young auto-didact NEETs. You boys couldn't make a coherent argument if your tendies depended on it.
>>25358611>>25358610>if I buy into my smart daddy beaudrillard's ideas, I will become a real serious man like my daddy!
man french shit seems so dumb now, foucault is ok but the rest of this shit is ass
>>25358601>>25358613it's crazy the extent to which this simple observation -- that the subscription to the views of this or that philosopher makes him, in some mythopoeticopsychoanalytic sense, your daddy (which is obviously and without a doubt very embarrassing), -- filters ~97% of people who read philosophy
>mfw trannies are so trapped in hyperreality they can't even understand the idea of reality
>>25358618>mythopoeticopsychoanalyticYep, you're full of shit
>>25358627>check it out guise, I'm discussing big boy real philosophy and even quoting french guys, I'm a grown-up serious man over here!
>>25358631shut the fuck up
>>25358539>nothing changedLMAO. Iran has seen its sanctions lifted, 300 billion in reparations, freedom to charge tolls in Hormuz, etc etc etc. It also won the hearts of millions of people around the globe that want to see USA suffering and paying for the consequences of their arrogance.
>>25358635>Iran has seen its sanctions liftedThis is like the fourth time it's happened. Only a matter of time before they're reinstated.>300 billion in reparationsThe US isn't paying for that>freedom to charge tolls in HormuzThey're not going to>It also won the hearts of millions of people around the globe Kek, you're so full of shit
>>25358634>look at me, I'm reading serious books and even quoting them! It makes me almost look like I belong among people who discuss serious business, like my daddies! I'm a serious boy and a real intellectual!
>>25358642>if I just have faith in my daddy's ideas and try to apply them everywhere, maybe it will make me look clever like my daddy! Maybe I will become like my daddy!
>>25358397The fag is a fucking pseud making literal clickbait titles in book form and then defending it via>W-well, don't take it literally! I actually meant: blah blah blahPeople are calling him out because it's the exact same fucking behavior as faggots making clickbait on youtube. You should be ashamed for being retarded enough to think it's anything but pseudo-intellectual post-facto justification for it. Dishonest faggots do not deserve honest engagement and people have no obligation to give a shit about what he says.
>>25358643>>25358645kill yourself
>>25358627that phrase neatly defines the ground of applicability of all "french theory"
>>25358651Quote your intellectual daddy some more, you're such a clever boy, maybe someday you will become like your daddy with the fancy French name!
>>25358642> it's not real because... It's just not, okay!?
>>25358655>>25358656>>25358657kill yourself
>>25358659>I'm a 20 year old American dweeb that no one respects, but if I namedrop my respectable French daddy some more then they will see that I'm serious business!
>>25358659you could just instead refute the claim -- that french theory attends to mythological, poetical, and psychoanalytic dimensions of human life
Faggot OP getting assraped harder than ZOG on its Iranian misadventure
>>25358667>>25358668>>25358686kill yourself samefag
>>25358696Are you still seething? I thought you've found a daddy to help you feel like a big boy so that other boys stopped picking on you and you could sound serious?
>>25358619It's funny that Baudrillard tried to distance himself from postmodernism because so many midwits and sophists were jumping to inane conclusions with it.
>>25358708kill yourself
>>25358757jameson's conception seems to be the primary point of contact for most readers so it hardly matters.
>>25358773Now, now. Go read some more of your intellectual daddy and pretend you're becoming a serious grown boy like him.
>>25358615That’s the spirit, anon.
>>25358797kill yourself
Please fuck off to Pinterest or wherever you faggots come from.
>Iranian victory>DisputedLMAO American military armchair sissies MAD
>>25359125>t. trapped in hyperreality
>mfw simulacra
>>25358757But Baudrillard himself routinely jumps to inane conclusions routinely throughout his work. Potlatch this, symbolic order that, sneering at America. Just whatever comes to mind. Sure, an interesting comparison or two may come out from time to time (even a stopped clock is right twice a day), but it's largely just an amusement, bereft of any real value. Right at the point of Simulacrum and Simulation, he regularly makes a show of sniffing the farts of Deleuze and the other guy, who were just putting out the Thousand Plateaus book, Rhizome this, Deleuze said that, etc. Lyotard, of course, had the eponymous strain around this point, and later apologized.
>>25360010source?
>>25358397Trump’s weakness of will both caused and lost the war. If he wasn’t willing to go all in (land invasion) then he shouldn’t have gone in at all. >But going all in would have been political suicide Then he shouldn’t have started it at all.
>>25358397B-but I saw stuff on internet... drones & bombs and tears...
>>25358492then come up with it yourself you good for nothing fatass
>>25358397>The Art of the Deal redux>I aim very high and keep pushing to get what I'm after.The aim was high and the push was peanuts. To the victor go the spoils, and Iran cashed in, but some high pressure largesse hardly classifies as a war.>I don't hire alot of number crunchers Couldn't even outsource this one to Elon. I doubt he hires number crunchers either. Apparently the machinery of American Largesse doesn't bother with them either, estimates range from 16 billion to 112 billion. Might depend on which accounting method is used, I'd take the time to crack a joke about the depreciation aspects of interceptor missiles but the government just prints more money out of thin air, no one would care.>All's well that ends wellMight be too soon to call this one, in addition to collecting a nice payday the Iranians are dropping whatever provisions they don't like and the Artist of deals decided to string his VP out and let him handle it. Upcoming Israeli general elections likely won't help, they can violate ceasefires and still collect paychecks from America. No start, no end, does this even qualify as a deal?>Money was never a big motivation to me, it was just a scorecard.A telling one.>Bad publicity is better than no publicityThe ayes have this one, a lame duck shouldn't have any issues jumping on this grenade, why are all the President's men doing the jumping?>retroactively nothing happened a few decades. Does nostalgia even qualify as something happened?
>>25361098>>25361077>>25361004>If I defend my intellectual daddy's ideas at all costs, I will come to embody his ideas and become a real serious boy!
>>25361105Get back to whatever homoerotic reading of slopstoyevsky you were working on.
>>25361123The only thing homo here is you and your daddy issues
>>25358397True. There was no girl's school that was wiped off the face of the earth.
>>25358523Very true. Warfare actually didn't ever occur until the romans. All war between clans were actually just harmless cattle raids because the casualty countdidn't reach an arbitrary number.French people are not serious
>>25361131At least you picked the right place to awaken Arkady, forget the fair sex and go for the alternative. Keep the details about your daddy anxiety to yourself and make sure christian metaphysics turns homosexual.
>>25361156I'm not the fatherless homo trying to get adopted by a french daddy and sound clever by quoting his daddy lmaoo
>>25361163Did you start this thread just to respond to posts with that one liner?
>>25361167I didn't start this thread
Even troops on the ground would have been fed disinfo, especially from well-poisoners blaming Israel for everything. It was certainly decentralised enough to have not taken place in a traditional sense. What about the Ukraine war? There are still curated media sections but there is also a saturation of minimally filtered livestreamed atrocity. But I guess B. would say when a war is magnified and saturated like that the whole world becomes the televised warzone
