Whats the deal with this? Its always hard to tell what the truth is when you're dealing with nazi stuff since half the people automatically like it because it shows hitler being good/bad and the other half automatically hate because it shows hitler being good/bad, but is this some modern gibbons type shit where its not 100% accurate but the writing is good enough to justify reading anyway or is it just some pophis slop for people who listen to podcasts
Idk, haven’t read it
>>25360417its very important you read historical books on peoples, ideologies, etc. written by people who have a personal hatred towards said people and consider them the embodiment of evil everyone is allowed to kill even as unborn infants.Also, jewish hollywood movies and the nuremberg trials are valid sources.
read Ernst Nolte instead>>25360488>88and a happy 88 to you too
>>25360417dunno if anyone on this board agrees but i liked volker ullrich's books on hitler, going to read the speer book later in the year but not sure if that;s good for even a revisionist take considering he extricated himself from all guilt and placed the blame on everyone else.
>>25360417There is another option….https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lightning_and_the_Sun#
>>25360549>sarr... it is very good book sar. please redeem. mister hitler very very based sar. india germany israel all lions sar
Read Hitler's war by Irving
Since you have not received a single actual reply from someone who has read it I'll reply; yes it is clearly biased as shirer was an american journalist with english sympathies. this being said it is, in my opinion, an important perspective, as he was there, in germany, as the german correspondant for an english newspaper, and was there to witness first hand many improtant events not least of which the signing over of france in '40 in the same traincar that the versaille treaty was signed. certainly do not let it be the only perspective you read but it deserves it status as one of them.
>>25360417This is a good book. There's no way every single thing is accurate, but there's a lot of important context and background and the quality of his scholarship and writing are generally very good. That he started working on it immediately and it was published before certain interests had firm control of the narrative adds another layer of historical interest- he describes atrocities towards Jews, but not uniquely towards them, and never uses a loaded term like "Holocaust" to describe events. Aside from one or two teary "how could the land of Bach and Beethoven spawn such evil?" asides, it's a steady, serious book that's about as objective as you could hope for given its context.
>>25360634Lol no. Retard
>>25360827NTA but I read Hitler's after a literal living communist professor member of an antifascist organization endorsed it.It is a solid historical work, not some Hitler fanfiction, Irving's Churchill's war is also pretty good
>>25360417I don’t trust books about Nazism written after its fall. They follow in one way or another the post-war version of events, and thus explain nothing. Even aficionados such as Martha Dodd and Fritz Thyssen provide a much fresher insight. See also Rowse’s quite honest account:https://archive.org/details/allsoulsappeasem0000unse/page/n5/mode/2up
The funniest thing about that book is that associating something with homosexuality used to be a top tier smear but now, because the book intentionally did that, people call it "problematic". >A tough, ruthless, driving man – albeit, like so many of the early Nazis, a homosexual>The confused locksmith Drexler provided the kernel, the drunken poet Eckart some of the ”spiritual” foundation, the economic crank Feder what passed as an ideology, the homosexual Roehm the support of the Army and the war veterans, but it was now the former tramp, Adolf Hitler>Murderers, pimps, homosexual perverts, drug addicts or just plain rowdies were all the same to him if they served his purposes.>But the brown-shirted S.A. never became much more than a motley mob of brawlers. Many of its top leaders, beginning with its chief, Roehm, were notorious homosexual perverts.>Lieutenant Edmund Heines, who led the Munich S.A., was not only a homosexual but a convicted murderer.>These two and dozens of others quarreled and feuded as only men of unnatural sexual inclinations, with their peculiar jealousies, can.>As we have seen, a conglomeration of pimps, murderers, homosexuals, alcoholics and blackmailers flocked to the party as if to a natural haven. Hitler did not care, as long as they were useful to him.>Moreover, the generals were shocked by the tales, now beginning to receive wide circulation, of the corruption and debauchery of the homosexual clique...rearmament was too serious and difficult a business to permit the participation of peculators, drunkards and homosexuals>Karl Ernst, a former hotel bellhop and ex-bouncer in a cafe frequented by homosexuals>the S.A. Obergruppenfuehrer of Silesia, a convicted murderer, a notorious homosexual with a girlish face on the brawny body of a piano mover, was in bed with a young man>Fritsch had been guilty of homosexual offenses>His chief weakness, it developed, had been spying on homosexuals and then blackmailing them.>caught in a homosexual offense in a dark alley near the Potsdam railroad station in Berlin with an underworld character by the name of ”Bavarian Joe.”Lol
>>25361247>Fritsch had been guilty of homosexual offenses>His chief weakness, it developed, had been spying on homosexuals and then blackmailing them.>caught in a homosexual offense in a dark alley near the Potsdam railroad station in Berlin with an underworld character by the name of ”Bavarian Joe.”That was garbage to remove anti Hitler generals. A smearing op well documented by Canaris.Rohm didn’t have the support of the army. The army made Hitler choose between the SA and the WermachtEtc
How come they always use red and black for “evil” biographies? I’ve got a Putin (red white blue) and Pol Pot (red yellow) and both have red/black title/cover design
Not OP but has anyone read this one?>>25361345Flag colours of their respective nation/ideology ig. Also they are bolder & stand out more than say a tan-beige book would.
>>25361358But I just said that Putin and Pol Pot don’t use their flag colors
>>25361345One of my shelves is devoted to that type history. There are a few biographies on it (Stalin, Hitler, Kim il-Sung, Franz Stangl) but also stuff like pic-related. Almost every book on it, around 40 or so of them, contains red (a lot of them are a red background with black and or white writing). The second most common is black, third is white, and fourth is darkish/orangey shades yellow. I'm not a graphic designer but it's probably because they're stark/assertive colors that jump out.
Great book. One of my favorite parts is when the Nazis put on an art exhibition to show how Nazi art is superior to 'decadent' art by artists such as Monet and van Gogh, which were also showcased separately.Everyone ignored the Nazi art, the line to get at the proper art extended outside for an entire block.
>>25361390lmao they sure showed those n*zis sister
>>25360417>Whats the deal with this?honestly it's kind of repetitive
>>25361390That sounds like a totally true story that definitely happened and wasn't fabricated or exaggerated for the sake of propagandistic purposes.
>>25361431Yeah, they really did. Rightoids are seriously hamstrung by the lack of quality art that shows the rightoid worldview. It's a real problem, if you're a rightoid.
>>25361436What's surprising about it? Have you seen Nazi art? It really is dreck, with the possible exception of that one sculptor.
>>25361439Lol, no.
>>25360549Savitri is a good read.
>>25361440>a political movement that had iconography and symbolism that went so hard they still have to make it illegal to display them almost a century later Lol
>>25361447?
>>25361471Best piece of performance art created in the last decade. Does he still hangout with that midget?
>>25361369Apologies I thought those were examples of books you had seen with those colours. Besides the point of standing out, I'd also argue colour connections & symbolism is key. Red is typically associated with anger while black with evil & death. Combine the two and it gives off the idea of violence & danger of those individuals.
>>25361471It‘s weird that you‘ve had to throw context to the wind by shifting a hundred years ahead and one ocean over to the red branch of American liberalism to make your point instead of attacking Carl Orff or Arthur Kampf or something.
>>25361505Don't bother attempting to engage with him, anon. He's not a serious person. Watch and enjoy this documentary instead: >>25361447. https://vimeo.com/580185089
>>25360417The history of the Third Reich has been shifting from intentionalist to functionalist for the past few decades and that scares the fuck out of modernists who can’t handle history being chaotic and also people who think le wholesome proletariat had to be tricked by nazi magic into doing all that evil shit.
>>25361247So many early Nazis were actually zesty af tho
>>25361532How much of that was due to how useful smearing someone as a fag was then and the peak degeneracy of Weimar though? The modern equivalent would probably be tagging someone as "racist" which is exceptionally easy to do given the low threshold afforded for accusations and a political climate that creates a plethora of opportunities by which to attach the label.
>>25360549>womannty
>>25360827Aspects of it were lauded by several historians but Irving went against holocaust orthodoxy, leaning harder and harder against such eventually, so any positive attributes of his work are now ignored so as to characterize him as a complete crank. It's understandable to a degree but when history cycles back around, as it may do in your lifetime, and the powers that be vilify academics and writers you respect, don't expect the sense of moral superiority you once held to win the day.
>>25361532you would be too if you were surrounded by aryan ubermensch
>>25360549>Savitri DeviFuck no. That includes Julius gayvola.
>>25360549>Savitri Devi Mukherji[a] (born Maximiani Julia Portas, French: [maksimjani pɔʁtɑs]; 30 September 1905 – 22 October 1982) was a French-born Greek Nazi activist, spy, and author. She served the Axis powers by committing acts of espionage against the Allied forces in India. An exponent of esoteric Hitlerism, she became a leading member of the neo-Nazi underground during the 1960s. Savitri was a proponent of a synthesis of Hinduism and Nazism, proclaiming Adolf Hitler to have been an avatar of the Hindu god Vishnu. She depicted Hitler as a sacrifice for humanity that would lead to the end of the worst age, the Kali Yuga, which she believed was induced by the Jews. She was also a radical animal rights activist and vegetarian.She would have loved twitter
>>25361702Nazis and animal rights, name a more iconic duo
>>25361511based and checked ignorer of retards and sharer of kino
>>25361464Post some of this amazing art that outclasses Monet and van Gogh.
>>25361720
>>25361720Art isn't just paintings, anon. Also, it's kind of hard to carve out everything and attribute it just to the Nazis given that they didn't last long and Germany already had great graphic design and architecture. If you want fascist art attributable to them look up architecture and the aesthetic of their party symbols and pageantry (including uniforms).
>>25361720>outclasses Monet and van Gogh.Very low bar. Here‘s something I pulled from the Gottbegnadeten List at random.
>>25361390>>25361720Leftists have this bizarre obsession with their artistic "superiority", yet they bring up artists that aren't leftists. Like why even bring up Monet and Van Gogh? The art leftists produce is genuine dreck and far outclassed by Fascism's legacy, despite the fact that it was both short lived and overall kind of mediocre.Where are the great left wing works? Guernica is the only one I can think of, but what else? Boomer protest music?
>>25360488>488Checked
>>25361757Banksy's on-the-nose graphitti slop is their idea of high art.
>>25361702Potentially the craziest idiology ever. Someone should try posting a crazier one.
>>25361929Nation of Islam has some pretty crazy shit.
>>25361757Political art is generally dreck, but it's only crazy totalitarian movements like fascism and communism that try to shit on genuine art.
>>25361929As does Happy Science (Japanese cult that has produced a bunch of anime like pic-related).
>>25360827Why? He doesn't even deny the holocaust, and Hitler's War was lauded by fellow WWII Historians including Ian Kershaw. The furthest Irving ever went was to (rightly) question the frankly ridiculous number of 6 million. The fact that the entire academic, political, and legal, establishment of Europe responded to this with court cases and imprisonment tells you everything you need to know. Questioning the Armenian genocide's numbers does not land one in prison. Stop swallowing down neoliberal consensus just because you don't like people you characterise as "poltards" or whatever, grow up and take the thong out yo bussy playa.
>>25360827It's an amazing work of historiography.
>>25363216They also made a movie about the court case where it's David vs. Goliath. Of course, Lipstadt is David and Irving is Goliath according to the Hollywood narrative. It's so corny it's almost a comedy: https://youtu.be/Gfyw7Uz8_2A
>>25360549Savitri Devi is the only woman worth reading.
>>25360634Excellent book. Churchill’s War and Nuremberg the Last Battle are also great.
