books for understanding transgenderism? i'm serious.
Picrel's good. Novel. If you hate trannies just be forewarned that it makes it hard to hate trannies. They seem like they're in a lot of pain.
>>25361861Idk about specific books but online tranny culture works the same ways cults do. I (sort of, it's complicated) grew up in one and recognize the way they talk about "cracking eggs" and—especially—the way parents (mothers) of "trans kids" talk to their children.
>>25361880my judgement of them is mixed. would definitely appreciate a variety of perspectives as long as they're insightful and intelligent.
what's to understand?
>>25361866fpbp, Detransition Baby is also alright
Idk I assume there's a $400 hardback book sold by a scientific publisher for university libraries which would be a startOtherwise you could look for literature reviews and pirate them and then read the studies they mention
>>25361948any publications i should start looking at?
>>25361954No idea, I'm not an expert in the fieldIf you want you can search up transgender on google scholar to find studies
>>25361861The Man Who Would Be Queen
>>25361861Read Plato's Theaetetus. It features an in depth discussion on the Heraclitean conception of perception and reality.Heraclitus is the the most honorable in this line of tradition, which later is only followed by incressingly stupidester sophists, from ancient to postmodern times. Knowledge is not perception, there are experts and false judgement is possible, you will never be a woman and things have essences, otherwise change is impossible.I can recommend both McDowell's and Burnyeat's commentaries on the Theatetus, although they don't write about trannyism, of course. I assume that you are intelligent person if you can follow the literature about the Theaetetus, and in this case, I assume that you can also connect the dots and see how Plato did confront postmodernism and transgenderism already in his time.
You won't be able to make head or tail of anything about human sexuality unless you have a strong grounding in the archetypal realities of male and female. Once you realize these are ontological forces that imprint themselves on every last portion of reality and do not refer to friggin physiological appearance then the entire idea of changing sex (changing essence) is revealed as the ridiculous absurdity it truly is. If you skip this metaphysical angle and jump into history books or, god forbid, psychology, you'll get eaten alive by whatever your desired outcome is. Some part of you wants transgenderism to be true, some part of you wants it to be false, and whichever of these is stronger will win out. If you send some pervert with a severe cross dressing fetish into a library full of psychology books arguing for transgenderism they will come out desiring to transition. It's your life, if you want to throw it into the fire nobody is going to stop you. In fact people will encourage you. >>25362154I haven't studied much of Plato and have not read the work referred to in this post, but suspect this would be a good place to start.
>>25361861What do you mean by “transgenderism”? Sincere question btw>>25361964Pseudo-scientific dreck
>>25362154>>25362163Troons are retarded and disgusting, but these dumbtards are talking out of their asses with the whole talk of essence. Embarrassingly naive takes from a philosophical standpoint.
>>25362238the condition of being transgender and the ideology that accompanies it.
>>25362256I disagree with that framing but you seem reddit and dogmatic
>>25362256It's not philosophy it is metaphysics. I know you think metaphysics forms a full fifth of philosophy but you are mistaken, it is forgotten knowledge relegated to hidden departments of more or less decrepit religions. You don't know this knowledge. You don't know about the universe being shaped like a human body or the primacy of the active principle over the passive. You are so ignorant you don't even know you are in a state of ignorance. May God remove the scales from your eyes before death overtakes you.
>>25362271>dogmaticNot at all. It's precisely out of skepticism that I doubt Plato's essence positing, the grounds for which aren't actually in Theaetetus, but in Meno, where he presents his 'recollection' hypothesis (or should I say dogma).I argued against this tendency just the other day, but it was about descartes, who engages in the same kind of a priori reasoning as plato does:>>25353233
>>25362264OP, if you want to dive right into the ideology, read Blanchard's theory in the Man Who Would Be Queen, which as you can see is obv controversial among transpeople. (Case in point, anon is preemptively and predictably vilifying it as dreck.) Most activists are eager to silence Blanchard's findings as much as possible due to exposing the widespread autogynephilia among transwomen. Whether you agree with it or not, you'll at least know possibly the most controversial theory about transwomen in the context of gender ideology.
>>25362284>woo-wooing Yeah, whatever.
>>25362292Define "woo", O Bright One of the Definitions.
>>25361861Howard Scott - The Transgender-Industrial ComplexAbigail Shrier - Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our DaughtersHelen Joyce - Trans: When Ideology Meets RealityJanice Raymond - The Transsexual Empire
>>25362264What do you mean by “transgender”?>the ideology that accompanies itWhat ideology is that?
>>25362289Ray Blanchard’s typology of transsexualism is pseudo-scientific. https://juliaserano.substack.com/p/autogynephilia-junk-science-and-pseudoscience
>>25362347>pseudoscience>junk science>scienceYou're not going to make it friend, not at this rate.
>>25362326https://juliaserano.substack.com/p/a-gender-critical-and-terf-primer
>>25362347NTA but I immediately discount anyone who says "junk science" in earnest. It's a cult word-symbol-spell.
>>25362352Facts don’t care about your feelings, chud.
>>25362356The entire idea of a "fact" was invented by Francis Bacon in the 17th century. You're lost in time friend. You forgot about the Middle Ages and now you have no idea where you are located.
>>25362352>>25362355>>25362360Right, I forgot that the wankers on this board don’t respect the scientific method and don’t care about facts.
>>25362365Pop science cult bullshit has nothing to do with either the scientific method or facts. Much less a substack. Go to reddit if you want institutional coddling to shield you from criticism.
>>25362367Julia Serano has a Ph.D. in Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics. I trust that she understands the scientific method.
>>253623711. If you have half a brain and a pulse you can get a PhD in the current academic environment. 2. Biochemistry and Molecular Biophysics are very nearly irrelevant to human sexuality, I would sooner read a History PhD for this topic. 3. >she
>>25362375Amathia and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>25362352>>25362367>>25362375These.>>25362353You will never be a woman. Either accept that like a normal person, or commit suicide (like your kind usually does, 41% and all).
>>25362382Ah yes, the problem is people won't "open their minds." If only we could reform the education system, right? To promote critical thinking, right?Or maybe you should stop trying to play God by attempting to use your willpower to redirect the entire course of history towards the end you (and you alone, or you and your friends) desire. Maybe you are just a finite, mortal body like everyone else, in a confusing world in which a multitude of conclusions may be drawn from innumerable observations and experiences. Maybe you aren't the herald of a brighter tomorrow, one of the Elite "Knowing Ones" chosen to guide us out of our collective ignorance and towards a utopia you yourself designed for us to live in. Maybe you should have a slight amount of respect for the right of a parent to teach their child the truth as they see it, not as you and your legislatively empowered boards, panels, and guidelines dictate. Maybe it's not such a bad thing for men and women to go about their sexuality and "gender roles" (made up term by John Money, the Twin Butcher) the way they have for the last 10,000+ years. Maybe you aren't God. Maybe you have to suffer the conditions of your world and body like everyone else. Who knows, maybe you're even... wrong.
>>25362388>>25362389What an odd thing to say.
>>25362256>hasn't read the TheaietetusImagine my surprise. Or did you maybe just skipped the passage where universal perpetual flux is discussed? Plato makes a very similar argument like that in Aristotle's metaphysics:If accidental change occurs, some thing changes. In order for a thing to change, it has to endure the change (otherwise we would not speak of change, we would rather speak of becoming or ceasing to exist).In order to endure the change, the thing has to remain the kind of thing that it is (in order for a dog to turn grey, it has to remain a dog).The whatness of the thing is what Aristotle calls ousia (essentia in latin)This is just pure analysis, analytical philosophy in its core.Plato argues that there has to be some kind of hypokeimenon/substrate if there is to be change at all, for change only can occur if there is something that changes. This is just a logical consequence of the meaning of "change".Anyways, I hope that one day you get better and don't think that Plato, Aristotle, Burnyeat and McDowell are "dumbtards" or that you stand above everyone.And besides that, whether or not you accept essentialism or not is not relevant to why I recommended the Theaetetos. If you were more careful and less full with the anti-socratic I-know-that-i-know-everything attitude, ypu would have probably realized that yourself, for I assume that you are intelligent, even if you are not very ripe or virtuous.
>>25362392YOU DONT GET TO DICTATE THE FUTURE OF MANKIND, YOU ARE JUST ONE PERSON. YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT SPECIAL OR BETTER. HAVE SOME FUCKING HUMILITY.
>>25361880>>25361920can second these recs. great novels about what it's like to be a tranny. Long story short, it mostly sucks. I hope they find peace
>>25362396Meds. Now.
>>25362398Oh, so you're going to pretend like you're not on a mission to change the world for the better? You are so dishonest! You lie to yourself nonstop!
>>25362400
>>25362403>They're bigots. Or else they are ignorant. If they're not ignorant then they're just dumb. If they're not dumb, they're crazy. Whatever they are, it can't be right. It can be serious, substantive, meaningful or valid. Then it must be ignorant, bigoted or crazy. Anyone who disagrees with me is either ignorant, bigoted or crazy.
>>25362412Yes, that’s correct.
>>25362419Then you are a walking, talking, living, breathing unfalsifiable hypothesis. Congratulations, O Lover of Science.
>>25362422I will never affirm your delusions.
Carl Jung - Psychogenesis of mental diseaseThis book features the cure to homosexuality and a similar thing is going on with trannies.
>>25362480That isn't a solution to the contradiction I pointed out, it's just a slogan. Your worldview is made of sentimental slogans. Also I don't need your affirmation for anything, I believe the things I believe because I think they are true, not because I wish for them to be true.
>>25362563>That isn't a solution to the contradiction I pointed outWhat contradiction? Oh, you mean the one that you made up? That contradiction?>it's just a slogan.It’s not a “slogan”, it’s a statement: I will never affirm your delusions.>Your worldview is made of sentimental slogans.False. My worldview is composed of facts—unlike yours, which is composed of lies.>I believe the things I believe because I think they are trueYou and every one else on the planet, buddy. You’re not special.Note that whether facts are true doesn’t depend on whether you think that they’re true.
>>25362578I am tired of talking to you, you are boring and it makes me sad to know people like you exist in mental prisons whose doors you have yourself sealed off with brick and mortarmay God bless you and may you find your way
>>25362596“Accuse the enemy of that which you are guilty.” —Joseph Goebbels
>>25362607Wow, that hit me hard. I think I'm gonna go cut my penis off and start dressing like a 12 year old girl and threatening to kill myself if my extended family doesn't call me Tiffany and use she/they pronouns this year at thanksgiving.FUCK H8, FUCK NAZI FASCISTS, TRANS PRIDE FOREVERRReerrrratleastuntil_old_age_sets_in_and_they-put-me-_in_a_MENS-memory_ward-where_my_Children_won't_visit-because_I-never_had_children
>>25362613Take your meds, anon.
>>25361861I’d recommend the “transgender industrial complex by Scott Howard. I love all his books Tbh, but yeah definitely a good summary of the truth.
>>25361861If you want to skip to the end.
>>25362622IFrom now on you have to call me Mr. Mrs. Trans and talk to me as if I am an actual transwoman who has undergone gender transition (I have not physically done this but mentally I identify I as a transitioning transwoman and you need to affirm that reality to me).If you don't refer to me as Mr. Mrs. Trans I will consider it an act of deadnaming and I will cut off all contact with you forever, even if you are my own mother. If you refuse to acknowledge my status as a transwoman then I will kill myself on your porch.You have to do all of this because Science. If you disagree then you are Pseudoscience. I am Fact because I say so, if you disagree then you are a horrible person and also I will kill myself in front of your little children and put a note on my chest that says "Your Parent Is a Bigot Who Murdered Me by Not Calling Me Mr. Mrs. Trans".Take that, patriarchy! Fascist! Nazi!
>>25362645You are exhibiting clear symptoms of psychosis. I suggest that you check yourself into a hospital right away.
>>25362648Diagnose me with more mental illnesses please, I want lots of psychiatric pills to be poured into my pharmacopeia body along with estrogens, I want to create an intense soup of erotica and mental illness and I want to live it out baby like there's no tomorrow because there isn't a tomorrow, nothing is sacred, pain is bad, joy is good, life is short, eat sleep and have lots and lots of freaky sex with many many partners and objects and devices in drug fueled dyonisian bliss since it is the end of time after all and besides I'm gonna KILL MYSELF anyways because my grandma keeps calling me HENRY and not MR. MRS. TRANXAX PUSSY ASS. and NO, Dad, my Dragon Dildo is not a coping mechanism. I am IN LOVE with Dragon Dildo. Dragon Dildo is my husband-wife. We watch porn together and browse grindr every day and I like panties, and there is NOTHING wrong with stealing and wearing the panties of family members. Shaming people for that is rape culture.Fucking Christian Nationalist Bitch. Fuck her. Fuck my mom for giving birth to me. Fuck everyone. Burn it down. Cut my penis off for real this time or ELSE....I WILL KILL MYSELF ON YOUR PORCH, BIGOT...becauseSCIENCE!!!!!!!!!SCI____ENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>>25362659It really does seem as though you have an obsession and aren’t the purely rational or disinterested person you have portrayed yourself as.
>>25362154Besides the Theaetetus, I also want to recommend Bp. Barron's Ideas Have Consequences and, although not a book, Gnosticism The Enduring Heresy (available on yt).Barron sees transgenderism as part of a broader phenomena dominating our age: gnosticism, idealism and the cult of the individual.Barron is also quite literate in poststructuralist philosophy (he studied it in Paris when PoMo was still at its height) and he is very calm yet serious about this topic. I get it, the transgender topic is very devisive, but there is no need to loose the cool. (Especially since he is a bishop, he should always speak with love, which in my eyes, he does. Love the sinner, hate the sin!)The problem with Barron is just that he publishes in tiny bits and pieces and the full depth of his vision is possibly only obvious to people who commit following his publications over longer time spans and connect the lines for themselves.If you know German, you might also want to look at Hanna-Barbara Gerl-Falkovitz, but she is a bit of a loose thinker (I still like her readings of Nietzsche!)
>>25362666MOM, BUY ME FEMALE HORMONES AND BREAST IMPLANTS RIGHT NOW OR I WILL KILL MYSELF ALSO FROM NOW ON YOU HAVE TO CALL ME SUSANALSO IM A PORNSTAR NOW and you HAVE TO BE PROUD OF ME
>>25362678Sanest anti-trans ideologue
>>25362684If you would open a book, and perhaps read a page or two of it, the matter would appear to you for what it is, a cut-and-dry instance of statistical data. Certain persons are born meeting the diagnostic criteria, x% of the population. The best methods for treating this are well established by study Z. The obvious and humane thing to do is to extend recognition and rights to the x% of the population so they can pursue treatment with Z in a way that is humane and alleviates suffering. Besides, don't we all feel humanity is at last ready to admit such and such a humanitarian notion, because progress? Well i certainly rhetoric by making it all a simple dichotomy between ignorance/meanness and kindness/understanding. You do want to be kind and understanding don't you? THEN CALL ME SUSAN, buy me DOUBLE D BREAST IMPLANTS with your insurance AND USE xiz, xi'za'i' pronouns or I WILL FUCKING KILL MYSELF RIGHT NOW, in FRONT OF YOUR FUCKING KIDS, you Nazi CHRISTIAN NATIONALIST BItch
>>25362702NTA but it’s extremely funny you think you come off as the reasonable one here kek
>>25361866This is the one my trans friend asked me to read, and I found it very informative. When I was reading it during lunch at school though someone came up to me and asked me why I wanted to castrate little boys and threw a ragie (probably someone from here not gonna lie), so I would suggest not reading it in public.
>>25361866Utter bullshit and lies>>25361920Just 50 shades of grey for cross dressers (“trans” “genders”)
>>25362334>i have a feeling that i am not a man>lets medicalize this feeling and make some bank>oh shit i was wrong i am now detrans>BIGOT KYS GRIFTER DIE SCREAMINGAlso some kids and women get raped and or killed along the wayIt’s so fucking crazy bro
>>25362733I am not talking to you until you refer to me with ẋiz, ẋi'za'i' pronouns
>>25362733He does thoughever
>>25362253unironically the correct choice
>>25362154I both kneel and cringe at this post. But you're not wrong.
>>25362670Is this related to the Weaver book of the same name?
Serious Inquiry:Surely by now somebody has gone absolutely ape-shit on this bullshit gender ideology stuff. I mean someone really intelligent, really knowledgeable, with sharp teeth. Someone with an axe to grind who also read through mountains of reports and literature, who has intimate familiarity with both the medical field and history/politics, and who has compiled it all into one volume absolutely demolishing every angle of this madness. Does this book exist or do I have to fucking write it? Serious question. Because I can write that book in about 18 months. I'm absolute sick of this retarded topic, it's just unbelievable how stupid this discourse has become, and I would love to tear it all apart savagely like an overwhelming land predator attacking a prey for whom there was never the slightest chance or hope of escaping, I would love to burn this ideology to the ground. I would make it so scathing, so absolutely irrefutable that trans people and activists will literally be afraid to read it. I would hit every last footnote, skim through every retarded paperback bestseller and demolish it like Norman Finkelstein reviewing a Dershowitz pamphlet. Or does the book already exist?
>>25363779do it. I'm doing one on incels but from a more sympathetic standpoint.
>>25361861Deuteronomy 22:5 is all you need, faggot.
>>25363779I'm only aware of fairly flaccid pop-science instances of this. Go wild, you could make money selling it to right wingers and anxious mothers.
>>25363451Meds. Now.>>25363779There is no such thing as “gender ideology”.
>>25364160Holy shit it's one of those IJA guys who don't know the war is over
>>25364170There is no such thing as “gender ideology”.
>>25364171If you say it 10,000 times matter-of-factly the statement becomes true, I know. I know what you're doing. Autosuggestion. Common technique in cults. You are in a cult by the way.
>>25364218I will never affirm your delusions.
>>25361880I find it hard not to hate trannies. Not after they forced themselves into women's bathrooms just so they can satisfy their sexual urges.
>>25362326another fact about transgenderism is their attraction to anime
>>25364246Lol there's another mantra. Neat. Do you use prayer beads to do this?"I will never affirm your delusions..." 100x"There is no such thing as gender ideology" 100x"I am a beautiful princess" 100x
>>25364269There is no such thing as “gender ideology”. I will never affirm your delusions. You can make as many baseless claims about my behaviour or thoughts as you like, but it won’t make them true.
>>25361861I read something called "The Man Who Would Be Queen" which seemed reasonably sensible. Talks about how there are basically two types of MtF trannies — girly faggoty men who basically want to be someone's wife, and ultra-masculine men in love with their feminine other or something.The divide is quite noticeable if you look at their professions. The first sort do things like interior decorating. The second sort are more like to be ex- Navy Seals.Can't remember if it looked much at FtM trannies. They are rarer. You get lesbians who look / try to look as much like men as possible (Gertrude Stein) but they don't usually go all the way.
>>25364299My buddy detransitioned after nine years of living as a woman. He's doing great now but that was hard to watch. I understand these things are not easy. Truth always wins out in the end. You are not a woman.
>>25364305>>25362347
>>25364306>You are not a woman.I have never claimed otherwise. You’re not responding to anything that I’ve posted. It’s unclear what your communicative goals are. You seem schizophrenic.
>>25364309You seem like a man who thinks he is a woman, who would rather submerge the entire world in delusion than free himself from it.
>>25364334This isn’t supported by anything I’ve posted in this thread. In actuality, you don’t know anything about my identity. I will never affirm your delusions.
>>25364340Only cult members spread cult literature. I know exactly who you are. A man that thinks he is a woman.
>>25364345You are delusional, and so any further communication with you would be pointless. Good day.
>>25364347What exactly is the delusion? That penises and being a man are somehow intimately related? Or that women have vaginas? If I've got this wrong I'm in big trouble so please explain which of these sentences is erroneous or 'delusional'.
For most transgenders? The Man Who Would Be Queen. Almost all trannies now have AGP. Ironic some most trannies just two decades ago were working insanely hard to prove this book wrong and label as pseudoscience, with trannies now proves Blanchard correct.
I've got friends who are transphobic and friends who are trans, and it's been that way for a long time.Know what those of the first type are up to nowadays? Rehashing boomer-tier decade-old memes, getting mad at things they can't change, letting their anger isolate them from things they should enjoy, and letting their anger out on fragile decent people in petty ways.And the second? Living their goddamn lives. Transgenderism ruins some lives, but not always the ones you'd expect.
