Unknown Slop Novel Discovery Specialty Thread EditionStubbed >>25353450>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLYRecommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
>tfw finally getting to the chapter where I write the qt3.14pootie waifubait that will save the mc from himself.
>Publish 5 short chapters every week, monday to friday, for 8 months like clockwork>subscriptions to my patreon go up steadily>get sick and only deliver 4 this one week>by saturday subscriptions are down by 40%Man, this sucks. I told my fans that I'd make up for it when I got better (and I did by uploading SEVEN chapters the next week) and they still abandoned me :(
>>25363847That sounds shitty. Extremely impatient readers who cannot handle any change to routine or circumstance out of the normal.
>>25363847Hey man, you're getting subs at least.
>>25363847>>25363856only finally etched out 29 followers, and that's with an ad, at least I like to tell myself that. I unsubbed my premium recently so I haven't been looking at my analytics. Before ad I had like, somewhere in the mid 10s/20 range follows, not much budge in favorites however, so it's something at least...
>>25363847I wonder if they would have noticed and kept the subs if you hadn't warned them about that first
>Friend tells me to check out r/RoyalRoad>Bunch of writers advertising to other writers>Writers jerking each other off while shilling their slop>People making up excuses why they aren't the next big thing>Constant excuses and apologies for the crime of using AI cover artYou know what /wng/, I take back all the bad things I've said about you. Except for the schizo posters, bad things still apply to you.
>>25363988we have a lot of tards but also a weirdly high success rate for a public forum
>open sky pride >two chapters of HEY WHY DON'T WE JUST HIT THINGS REALLY HARD AND COMMIT TO DOING WHAT WORKS AT THE TIMEB R I L L I A N C E
>>25363847>get sick and only deliver 4 this one week>he has no backlogOH NO NO NO
>>25363988KILL ALL INDIE AUTHROS!
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
>>25364105you killed this thread slowly but steadily
>>25364107How so?
>>25363988I remember trying to talk to people there a few years ago. I said that authors making a lot of money don't have an excuse to use AI since their income clearly lets them pay for real art. some random guy had a meltdown over it and came at me saying he can't possibly afford anything over 50 dollars. I repeatedly tried to tell him that I clearly wasn't talking about him but he seemed to have some kind of victim complex where any anti-ai stance was targeted at him directly. I called him a schizo and got a week long ban. What a strange place.
>I wonder what there is to read besides isekai harem stories?>Let's turn off my harem filter and see what's out there.Never again.
>>25364112Why would anyone spend big money for a online webnovel cover art? It makes no sense. People who read webnovels don't care about it.
>>25364129Some people care about presentation. Some people hate AI art. There's also the fact that using original art is more eye catching than AI art, albeit the cost benefit there is questionable when you factor in the price of decent commission.Honestly I respect the hell out of authors that can't draw for shit and can't afford a commission and still insist on drawing their own covers just to have a cover that isn't AI. Being both principled and shameless is impressive and at least bad original art is eye catching, albeit some dipshits will assume bad art=bad writing because they don't think for 2 seconds and realize those are entirely different skillsets.
I Kneel...
>Ri-fag acknowledges the superiority of SS and LotMuh based?
>>25364129the cover is still the first impression. having one that stands out can get the attention of potential readers. My eyes glaze over when I scroll through generic looking AI covers and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
>>25363988Is it really that bad to use AI for your cover art?This smells like leddit moralfagging to me ngl desu. I want to commission a catgirl for my cover art but god fucking damn do furaffinity artists cost a lot. I have to shell out $650 for it to be used commercially and I don't even believe my story will be a hit let alone rack enough in its lifetime to pay for it.
>>25364173>Is it really that bad to use AI for your cover art?Yes. Don't be a coward and draw your own.
I used to draw my own covers. I thought I was a decent artist and have a degree in graphic design. I got like 60 followers over a month, and the growth dwindled down to nothing. Then I thought fuck it and generated an AIslop cover. The count jumped to 100 with the very next update, within 12 hours. I'm never wasting my time painting my own covers again and only regret I didn't throw away my pointless pride from the start.
>>25364045This is the real issue. Why don't you have a backlog? Why didn't you follow the precepts? This might be why they left. You didn't commit to this enough to plan around issues like sick days and other things getting in the way of writing. If you want people to trust you enough to pay you, you have to account for and prepare for these things. Build a backlog so this doesn't happen again. Since you started releasing before doing so means you will have to work overtime for a while to accomplish that. You've made your own bed. Lay in it and accept that this is your own doing.
>>25363988The general rule with generals on 4chan is they aren't good but every alternative is so much worse you develop a bit of stockholm syndrome.
>>25364173If you need something quick and eye-grabbing for an initial surge of hylics who won't care, go for it. But get something actually bespoke instead of AI when you get the chance and try to do it fast.Also don't use fucking furaffinity for finding comms, are you insane!? Furries are huge overspenders so furry artists mark-up their prices. Go use VGen! Plenty of kemono/catgirl artists therre and they're all Indonesian so they work for pennies while still doing good work. And if that's too risky, go use Skeb.
>>25364335>But get something actually bespoke instead of AI when you get the chance and try to do it fast.Why? Covers for WNs and even traditionally published books improved when AI came around. Before that covers used to be really ugly.
>>25364344There's few different reasons:>Overall approval rates of AI isn't that high within the demographics of people who enjoy creative material. While it's higher among the creatives, the people actually reading are still too mercurial.>Most AI covers look the same because WN writers aren't artists or storyboarders so it's usually just some person standing in the middle with some elaborate fake font they can't use printed over their stomachs or above their heads. You're giving into the noise.>No one filters out or ignores a book specifically because it has custom-made art, there are people who explicitly filter out AI material when and where possible, either through direct site tools or just by ignoring it. I've got the analytics to back this one up.>Farming an artist's loosh by torturing his wrists with your commission gives your work power.An AI cover is better than no cover, but a custom cover by an artist is a
>>25364350>An AI cover is better than no cover, but a custom cover by an artist is asafer bet a la Pascal's Wager* 4chan ate my fucking post.
Older AI models made better looking art. New ones have way too much detail
>>25364350One I ask myself when I'm looking at a winnie when an AI cover is: If the cover is AI, how much of the writing is AI? Just because they didn't tag it doesn't mean it's not there.
>>25363840literally where i’m at rnand now i don’t want to write it
>>25364112>I called him a schizo and got a week long banI miss when arguing with people was fun and enjoyable. Now and for the past several years, all you get is one-liner spam any time somebody disagrees with you about anything.
>>25364350The only thing that matters is, does the cover look good or not. A cover by a professional artist is worth nothing if it looks like ass, and it will look like ass because you can't afford anyone with actual talent.
>>25364365>Now and for the past several years, all you get is one-liner spam any time somebody disagrees with you about anything.Always has been. Do you not remember the cope-seethe-dilate meta?
>>25364351
>>25364365>I miss when arguing with people was fun and enjoyable.Never happened in the history of the internet, retard
>>25364368>Why>[Explanation]>I DON'T WANNA HEAR WHY MY OPINION IS BETTER ANYWAYThen why even bother asking for an explanation, faggot? You were clearly set on your (retarded, impractical) opinion.
>>25364368>does the cover look good or not.The cover looking good absolutely does not matter if you're just going for slop merchantry. This is on trending. Half a million views. 500 followers. 112 ratings to 4 stars. 160 favorites."Cover look good" is not a meta strategy.
>>25364369That began in 2016 and was included within the "past several years" statement, yes.>>25364372A revisionist who sticks to using his favorite one-liner? Wow, color me surprised!
>>25364376I didn't mean "cover alone carries you to success" but in the context of "is man-made better than AI"
>>25364378I was arguing with strangers online before your dad had his first wet dream and it was never fun, and I'm not doing it anymore.
>>25364376That looks like ass btw
>>25364376>female on the coverStopped reading there
>>25364387Yeah it's almost like people do not give a shit if a cover looks good or not
>>25364386>if I tell him I'm older than him then I am superior and I "win"Going down the same checklist and script every other newfag uses? What a surprise!
New contest on Honeyfeed btw.https://mhwc.myanimelist.net/202607/Epic Heroine or Tragic Hero.
>>25364376that cover is amazing
>>25364376> Half a million views. 500 followers. 112 ratings to 4 stars. 160 favorites.That is one very, very weird wn. It has some decent world building but reads like it's a bad MTL dump of some unattributed chink series they're stealing from, however no such series exists. I can only imagine the author must be a non-english writer who puts everything through Google Translate.
>>25364389>half a million views>500 followersIt's utter dogshit
>>25364392Holy fuck, finally a contest to which I have an eligible story. I didn't think it would fly on RR but now I have an excuse to throw it away.
>>25363988>sperging about AI cover artprofoundly unserious baitneck yourself faggot
AI cover art is very tacky, anon.
>>25364396There's several Chinese authors who have begun translating their own series and posting them on RR. With varying degrees of quality. RighteousEgg in particular got accused of plagiarising his series by readers, except it turned out he was actually the original author crossposting onto RoyalRoad in English.
>>25364419What novel?
>>25364422The Dao of Reincarnation: Ascending Through a Hundred Lives
>AI covers... are le BAD, even tho many Rising Stars use them
>>25364437The majority of readers honestly don't care. Only the vocal minority are bothered to bitch and whine and make posts about it.
>>25364404I'd check the requirements on it just to be safe, but nice. Will you post about it here when it opens up?
>>25364437>>25364443I'm not morally against them, AI covers just look bad
>>25364446I think it aligns with the prompt pretty well. Sure, I'll post about it. I don't plan to do anything else on honeyfeed, so no reputation to maintain
>imagine staring at the cover for hours on endI just read the novels, but you guys can do whatever.
I don't use AI covers myself, but I don't mind them. Because there is an actual reason to use them. It's like piracy, if you can't get a proper cover, either because of money or because you can't find a good artist, then using an AI cover is fine, but you should try to replace it as soon as possible.
>>25364173Can't you just use skeb or something?
>>25364408Redditors sperg out about AI art, but use excuses and apologize for it because of the moralfag police there. I don't really care. A cursory glance at trending and rising stars shows most readers don't care about AI art either.
I commissioned a diaper fetish artist for my cover.
You can isolate your women on an island and build them a perfect, model, homogeneous utopia and the moment a jew shows up waving a rainbow flag their brains turn to mush and they start selling your country out from under you and refuse to have anymore children.I want to read a novel that tackles this reality. Probably some chang's work since RR would ban it immediately.
>>25364488>muh jews
>>25364449Only because most of the authors are lazy and just throw a shitty prompt into the online ones instead of setting up a custom offline one.
>>25364495I mean. RR is literally Israeli, I don't think they'd really want anything antisemitic on there.
>>25364495Am I wrong? It's literally happening in the Faroe Islands as we speak.captcha was odd-one-out with the odd one out being a star of david how shocking
>>25364437It'd not just Royal Road at this point. Plenty of legit bestsellers on amazon's kindle store use AI covers
>>25364726>Faroe islandsI'd love to move Faroe islands.
>>25364778You can't really go to the Faroe Islands. If you try to, you end up at the Nearoe Islands instead.
>>25364782I will go to Iceland instead
>>25364449>AI covers just look badMine is intentionally bad.
>>253643782016 was 10 years ago.
>>25364488>perfect utopiaFor the men, maybe. Not the women, clearly
How do you guys find stories that appeal to you on RR? Do you only use the main page, or regularly search specific words like Isekai, Magical Girl, Apocalypse, Archmage, etcetera to find stories that suit you?
>>25364977i don't use the front page. I've found quite a few interesting stories on the "Stories similar to this" that shows up on story pages of things I already like. I also actually look at the shouted out stories if they grab my interest. It's a pretty low success rate but I've found some cool things in them.
>>25364977Rising stars is rarely good. I do look at the top overall best ranked lists for both ongoing and completed though. Sometimes I dig as far back as the top 500.
What are gu?
>>25365269magic bugs now fuck off
>>25364899It sure was. And things were already bad in the 2010s without the addition of the 2016 "cope/seethe/dilate/based/cringe/tranny"-themed cultivation manuals.
No longer on Trending and I can immediately see the deboost that's caused. I should've done shoutout swaps sooner. RIP.
Finally went and installed one of those plugins that lets you put timed lockouts on timewaster sites and makes you jump hoops to disable it. (You) should do that too. The one I'm using is StayFocusd but there are others. Yes I put an ADHD pissbaby timer on 4chan as well.
Novel idea: a ranger uses a damaged scroll of reincarnation to survive a wasp TPK only to be reincarnated as the larva consuming his own body. What do you think?
>>25365356I swear I heard a premise that was 90% similar, only with him eating the larva as fast as possible and making a pact with something to drain their life as he fails to keep up.
>>25365365Him eating the larva? I was thinking it would be a gritty reincarnation story of a struggling ex adventure trying to survive. The kicker would be he wouldn't start with a stinger because he's a male wasp.
>>25365278Don't reply to troll posts. It's a waste of a captcha. Report them as extremely low effort, spam, trolling, etc. Eventually, hopefully, mods will just wordfilter such statements.
>>25365448Explain how it's a troll post without getting mad.
>>25365514The author already knows the answer. It's not a post to generate discussion. It's low-effort spam that adds nothing to the thread.
>>25363988we at least put up a facade of gatekeeping griftniggers and shameless shillersany place that doesn't (everywhere that isn't here) inevitably becomes a den of people trying to sell to each other
>>25364463Vgen is better in that you can actually are allowed and couraged to communicate with the artist. Skeb is literally just art gacha in every sense of the word.
>>25365448>mods will [do anything]ha. good oneanytime I get baited I get told to report and ignore so I'm pretty sure atleast one other person is regularly reporting these posts. nothing ever has or will come of it
>>25365527I reported the chink posts for a hot minute last year, even during the worst period of the gookslop spam, anon went on irc to complain to the mods directly and was told as such we're suppose to report them but evidently it was futile since not enough people were reporting them. I still remember that one time I took a ban that I appealed successfully for posting a RR story of a non-anon's story I liked. Mods jannies or whoever don't often look contextually at flagged posts so there's that too. Moral of the story, mods are fags and just don't get ragebaited, it's literally that easy.
>>25364977For You and Stories Similar are pretty reliable (assuming you have a reading history of fics you like)rising stars is 99% unreadable dogshit I'll try tag search from time to time if I'm in the mood for something specificadd AI generated and AI assisted to your global exclusions
>>25364977I don't. I'll skim through tags I like like space opera, with both ai tags toggled off, only completed or ongoing. But I'll still struggle to actually find any interest in the catalog that pops up. But I'm more likely to click on one if it has non-ai art, either an illustration they've commissioned or done themselves, those are always delightful to see. Most fics I found that caught my eye were from people's sigs when I still bothered to frequent there. Now I just toil away in the chapter draft page and stay in my lane. Even the stories in my fic's Others Also Liked is completely unrelated to my own story type. I heard it changes depending on how many tags you have but since I don't really have a whole lot and I don't really read on the site a whole lot the system has no idea what to do with related fics. Right now I'm preoccupied with Crow and the Rabbit and bouncing between that and War and Peace anyway.
>>25365618>tags I like like space operathe recommendations system is very consistent for me. I suspect your issue is that you read super niche stuff. in the case of space opera, there's probably like <10 of them on the site
Is there any more traditionally written stuff on the site? I've always glanced at it from time to time but the niche it seems to serve mostly isn't my thing.
>>25365680what kind of stories do you like? the hyper minimalist prose style isn't for everyone but that's more of an asian convention. we get some of that but I wouldn't say it's the totality
Blocked another faggoty hate commenter
>>25364449>AI covers just look badBlocks your path
>>25365750yeah anyone who thinks AI covers universally look bad is delusional or only notices the ones that are really lazygood thing ai can't into writing properlyby this i mean it can write, but the effort it takes to make it shit out a novel of a certain quality is, to me at least, higher than just writing it myselfand i say that having finished prompting a fairly decent imo aisloppa
>>25364350>>No one filters out or ignores a book specifically because it has custom-made artPeople filter out bad looking covers all the time. And many, maybe even most, non-AI covers I've seen are ugly. If I'm generous I can call them "having personality" but there's a reason why am electronics store bumps up the saturation and vibrancy settings on their TVs. Something prettier is better.>>25364376>The cover looking good absolutely does not matter if you're just going for slop merchantry.This cover is better than half the covers on the top 10 of RS and better than most of the covers I saw on "latest update". The text sucks but the image is good.>>25364361You're implying that because they used AI here that they used AI elsewhere. Of course they used AI on the text - you're retarded if you don't at least spell check with AI. Every story that you're going to read that comes out now and in the future will have used AI to some extent.
>>25365771>by this i mean it can write, but the effort it takes to make it shit out a novel of a certain quality is, to me at least, higher than just writing it myselfI'm not even sure it's possible. AI falls into the same patterns with writing that become noticeable and then grating. You would genuinely have to rewrite most of it either by hand or special permitting prompting. The latter will cause you other problems when you stitch the story together.
>>25365844Yeah you basically have to be an editor for a retard.I guess if you really really love editing AND ai prompting AND can tolerate the constant obvious patterns it's a good fit for you but I doubt there are many people like that.
any good death game stories like danganronpa or alice in borderland? ive never heard of that genre as a wn?
>>25365867RR users can't tolerate anything resembling suspense in their stories, so I don't see that doing well
>>25365448>>25365521>>25365539Why do you report chink posts but not the endless slop/femc/ai webnovel cover/mla posts?
What posts would Spectral Soul report?
>>25366247that's the entire thread
>>25365867But what would be the progression mechanic?
it kinda sucks that webnovels seem to either go all in on smut or avoid it like the plague
>>25366329makes it hard to marketsame for most media forms women are lucky because they're just assumed smut degens and get a pass
>>25364128lol?
>>25363847It looks like you need a backlog of chapters to use in case of sickness
I have been writing an urban fantasy novel about an exorcist and the half demon girl that (indirectly) caused his brother's death being forced to work together. While the characters do get stronger over time, its not really the focus of the story. Would it have any chance of surviving in the RR landscape as a web serial or should I look for a trad publisher?To put in more general terms, would readers consider something like the average battle shonen a progression story, or would they complain that the protagonist hasn't unlocked the 20th level Pin-Yin of the Supreme Dragon of the Eastern Dao?
>>25365527>nothing ever has or will come of itI've been banned twice from these threads for telling the spectral fag to die. The reason was "trolling outside /b/" though I was 100% serious each time
>>25366361It makes me angry that the mods are the ones doing endless frog posts or shitposts and then banning others.
>>25366361Spectral Soul is a character from a web novel.Usually jannies are absolute trannies, but they did well banning your retarded ass. Talk about web novel or shut the fuck up.
>>25366359>exorcist and the half demon girl that (indirectly) caused his brother's death >being forced to work together.Sounds like some romantic garbage story (or just straight up goon shit). There is no reason to include dao, spirituality etc in a story like that.
>>25363847>>subscriptions to my patreon go up steadilynice
>>25363732Are most web novels written like this? With exceptional short paragraphs? Or this sample just the exception?
>>25366359yeah it's a great idea you should dedicate the next 4 years of your life to thislol
>>25366359>consider something like the average battle shonen a progression storyYeah but the way you describe your story makes it seem it's not even like that.
>>253663883 or fewer sentences a paragraph represents like 90% of stories.5 looks like a wall of text on a phone even if it looks okay when you write it on your PC and the overwhelming majority (95%) of readers are on mobile.
>>25366388It's turned into meta because apparently phonefags can't tolerate longer paragraphs. I personally write normal paragraphs and no one has ever complained, so sounds like a made-up problem
>>25366388that's LLM output
>>25366415that would explain why Claude thought this 9/10 writing
Finally the new RR website update dropped. I think it's pretty cool. Mainly use this site on desktop and never really use the site or the app on my phone, breddy gud.
>>25366398>Yeah but the way you describe your story makes it seem it's not even like that.Yeah the description I gave doesn't hint to it but it very much is, structure and worldbuilding wise I'd it's a mixture of YYH and SMT but I'm deliberately avoiding any video game systems in it. Though, a story that is legitimately just a megaten game would probably do well (demon negotiation, stat bullshit, having to come up with battle strategies because the bosses are niggers etc).
>>25366426>I now have to update my scraperfucking jews
>>25366426Very streamlined and kikeish, yes
>>25366440whatcha scrapping?
>>25366433>SMT wn about making a demon mommy haremvgh
>>25366487everything
Is it just me or does this UI update make everyone have to scroll 3 times as much to get anywhere on the site
>>25366613It does feel that way. There's too much on the front page now. I wish we could select which of the sections we actually want (or hide the ones we don't).
Looks like Archmage trend is finally dying off
Why don't authors tag their stories properly. Multiple cultivation stories in rising stars don't even have the cultivation tag. One of them has the wuxia tag despite having xianixa in the title.
>>25366668because the cultivation tag kills your growth
>>25366361Mods don't give a shit and they're as new as the narcissistic spamming newfags. RIfag, for example, has been at it since 2019 and came from /sffg/, which already has another shitposter who has been at it for ten straight fucking years nonstop.4chan's low quality is partly on purpose due to moderation keeping it exactly the way they want it.
>>25366670Proof?
What would Spectral Soul do if he were a janny?
nothing
>>25366613>>25366625I appreciate that the partner books are buried deeper down now because I don't want to see that crap, but I don't like the new reading history box listing whatever pieces of trash I've randomly clicked while looking for stuff. Completely unnecessary.
>>25366686You can hide that with the "For You" toggle, but that also hides the Recommended list which can occasionally be useful.
>>25366693Whoa, awesome! I don't need the recommendations either, so you just made the site 300% better for me, thanks
>>25366356Not him but I'm posting my last backlog chapter today. First time no backlog in over a year. I'm rolling the dice.It's terrifying but exhilarating. I'm going to buckle down Saturday through Monday and try to bang out two chapters a day to get back on track. Fuck manuscript preparation and editing and typo checks, SERIOUSLY.
>>25366678He would slaughter all the mla and goon slop fags.
What's this bot about?
>>25366704Beyond actual chapters, how much of the story outline do you have thought out? In terms of "days ahead"
>>25366513why?
>>25366321There would be none, preferably
>>25366967Probably another six months worth of chapters at least, with more vague ideas for arcs beyond that afterwards.
Low ratings with no reviews or comments are so fucking gayJUST TELL ME WHAT YOU DISLIKED ABOUT IT ENOUGH TO MESS WITH MY AVERAGES AT THE VERY LEAST
>>25367050mmmmmh... nyo
>>25367063USE YOUR WORDS YOU FAGGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>25367050the reason most of the time would be some bullshit that would just make you angrierremember your audience is a bunch of piggies
>>25367070I wouldn't mind as much if just one 3 star rating didn't knock me back a thousand ranks. If you're gonna make me fall ass-first down the totem pole at least tell me why I'm suddenly worth dipping below "REINCARNATED ARCHMAGE'S TALE ULTRA EX: THIS TIME WITH EVEN LESS ORIGINAL VOCABULARY" in your eyes!
>>25367079Post your story and I'll give you the 1 star with a full review of why it sucks
>>25367079>at least tell me why I'm suddenly worth dipping below Because story is boring. What more do you expect to hear? It being original doesn't matter if it's not entertaining
>>25367158https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/21220/mother-of-learning
>>25367079You care about ranks?
>>25367186>He doesn't like seeing numbers get betterAre you even a LitRPG fan?
>>25366947Might be a review/follow farmIn order to not be too obvious it will rate and comment on random stories.It's kind of similar to reddit bot operators buying up old reddit accounts with good karma and activity.
>>25366967I know the beginning and the ending.I just have to fill in the middle with interesting content (actual hard part)
>>25367079If one 3 star drops you that much you need to stop worrying about ratings and start worrying about why you have so few readers
i ordered it, is it overhyped? i heard it's shit in the start and the prose is bad
>>25367306Prose is absolute ass. Interesting world and set up. Practically unreadable.
>>25367306It's not so much the prose is bad but early on the translation is really rough. It does get better but we aren't talking great prose at any point. It is deserving of the hype though for it's S-tier worldbuilding and magic system, and some good characters.
>>25367308i was hoping the book would have an edited version that's readable but i also don't really know what counts as bad prose. Is it worse than something like tbate?
Introducing a new character named Colton who is named after another character who died earlier in the story. Want to give him a nickname to prevent confusing the two. Does Cole or Colt sound better? Colt would be thematic since he's afraid of being turned into a living weapon like his father but that might be too on the nose idk.
>>25367332Just call him Junior.
Just posted all the chapters I have for my new novel (more than 30k words) and only got one follower. Probably a bot lol.
>>25367351why did you dump all your shit at once you drooling retard
>>25367351Is it a detective novel? Do you only want people to read it who can find it based on the evidence presented?
>>25367351Post the link on /wng/
>>25367310afaik translated Chinese works won't ever have great prose because of how Chinese syntax works.Even a high quality professional translation will have stilted looking prose in English
>>25367359No, it's LitRPG. I posted half of it first, then got a follower. After that, I got impatient and dumped all the chapters at once.
>>25367374actual retarddelete it and then repoast with a proper scheduleand maybe get some shoutoutslike just cold-message people on RS, be nice, and you'll get shoutoutsit's LITERALLY FREE
>>25367010wow>>25367279that seems risky
>>25367374It's your job to get people to notice your work, anon. I will not go through the litRPG tag release list and check if anything matches your release schedule.
Apparently my fight scenes need to be more "anime" so what's some good action slop to study prose?
>>25367366>>25367376I’ve thought it over. Might as well just post as I finish editing the remaining drafts.>>25367366never
>>25367392Cradle
>>25367392Instead of studying other prose, why not just watch some anime-ish fight scenes and then try and write them? That'd be more helpful imo.
>>25367437Reading now. Thank you. Been stuck on this for a long time now.
>>25367392Defiance of the Fall
>>25367392Azarinth Healer
>>25367452Fights in prose don't work the same as in a visual medium, this is awful adviceYou need to focus on internal state a lot more for example, and there are quirks to the prose itself, like most authors writing choppier and shorter sentences to speed up the paceAnime gets flashy colors, sounds, and real movement that directly stimulates the brain. Writers don't
>>25367452Anime fights are really hard to write. At least the ones I like. Action sequences are one of the few things comics explains better than novel since 90% of anime are manga adaptations.
Do no anons post their stories on /wng/? Are they scared of trolls? Or of being associated with this dump?
>>25367469Some do. Most don't for both of those reasons yeah.
>>25367469Both.
>>25367392Unironically read Fate Stay Night
>>25367458The writing style is similar to mine which is either a really good thing or a really bad thing.
>>25367481I read Tsukihime. The fights were the weakest part of it but I can check out the other famous Nasu work.
>>25367482If you're even half as successful as DotF you'll be cooking.
>>25367469I've posted it, but I avoid routinely posting it because this place does have the benefit of being a communal discussion spot for writers without having to look like they're pestering the readers with demands to look at their work. If I got big I'd post a big "Thanks /wng/" on the cover, I have no shame with associating with 4chan. I just have shame over annoying people on an anonymous imageboard. I'll shill like crazy in places where I have to have a name and brand, here's different.
>>25367392Just go watch like, Kamen Rider, and try to write those scenes. I suggest Zeztz.
>>25367464No shit, Sherlock. I'm not saying to transcribe what happens beat for beat like it's a screenplay. I am saying to look at them and then try translating it to writing. Strive for the feel, not for a 1 to 1 adaption.
>>25367515And why do that instead of studying good anime fight writing directly? Why add the abstraction when he already isn't sure how to go about it? It's just stupid advice
>>25367392The other guys saying "Watch this fight" are mostly right. I recommend some manga too for more individual, sequential sequences.But for the "write it down" part, since that's kind of a "Draw the fucking owl" statement, here's an easy way:1. Describe it exactly: "John punched Billy's right side, Billy punched John's jaw from the left side," etc2. Describe the reactions to each. "John punched Billy's right side, which made him tense up. Billy punched John's jaw from the left side, which made him gurgle out in pain."3. Detail source anatomy. "John punched Billy's lower left side, striking his liver cleanly and causing Billy to tense up. Billy punched John in the left side of his jaw, knocking out some teeth as he gurgled out in pain."4. Go for more specific verbs, fancify. "John struck Billy's lower left side, landing a clean shot on his liver. Billy's body tensed up. He retaliated with a harsh blow to John's lower left jaw, sending teeth flying out to the tune of John's pained gurgle."There, now you have a basic exchange. Not a great one, but a pretty straightforward one that catches all the feelings and is malleable choreography.Next try to identify the "plot" of a fight (Not the story. The fight. A fight is its own story with its own subplot.)Typically, a plot for a fight will structure itself like a joke with a set-up and a punchline. A good plot for a fight will structure itself closer to the beats of a scene in a golden age Simpsons episode: Consecutive set-ups, with consecutive punchlines that turn into set-ups for future punchlines. A steady volume of 7/10 sequences can be just as memorable of just one 10/10 sequence.Generally for set-up and punchline, in a fight what you're going to look for is more specifically "Problem" and "Solution." See what problems are being made for one character, and then the solution. The solution should not only end the problem, but give the opponent their own problem. Some example problems:>One guy knocked away the other guy's sword so hard it lodged into a wall>One guy damaged a rope bridge and now it's starting to collapse>The two fighters have been yanked onto a moving vehicle of some kind>A third party has joined the fightYou, the writer, decide the solutions to these problems, and how those solutions produce problems for the opposition. Try not to go for zero-sum. Try to always make sure someone's in the lead. Victory should, generally, come from either:>Producing too many problems for an opponent to solve (Good for wins from your heels)>Finding a solution that would logically make further problems untenable for the scene (Good for wins from your faces)Mind you, this is not definitive. This is just a sort of reference guide. Happy studying!
>>25367333The other Colton wasn't his father though. Or does that not matter? Idk how that works
>>25367469I'd post more often but I don't do it unprompted.I simply do not want to spam.
>>25367529Great, you learned anime fight writing. Now let's hope that you never end up in a situation where you need to think outside of exactly what you've been taught or you're screwed. It's the same thing with art 'tutorials'. They teach you how to draw specific things in specific ways, but don't give you the tools to make something all your own. It's this type of thinking that led to the Cal-Arts bean mouth epidemic.>>25367553See, now I'll concede that this is a much better response than mine since it actually breaks down how to do it, which I didn't. Good effort post by the way anon.
>>25367489>>25367561I don't want to ask for stories because I only read slop, so I'd feel bad asking and then not reading
>>25367469I do whenever I have a reason worth bringing it up for, like asking for feedback on a cover or when I reach the end of a volume. Overdoing it would just be distasteful and sour attitude to my work and me by extension. The last thing places like this need are more pseudo namefags spamming and being attention whores.
Do you think it's shitty for an author to keep taking up ad space with a completed winnie?
>>25367602They bought the ads, they can use them however they like.
>>25367602No, this sounds like a deranged opinion. It's fucking adspace
>>25367602You shouldn't even be able to buy ads unless your winnie is complete.
>>25367692I'd unironically be okay with this.
>>25367692>>25367697
>>25367692why?
if a wn is complete I shan't be reading itMeans it isn't long enough
>>25367733Even if it's half a million words?
>>25367737? that's barely a prologue
>>25367733Well? Get reading.10mil+ words.Enjoy
>>25367737It's a skill issue if you can't finish a story in 500K words. WNs that go over that threshold are either milking or can't pace for shit, neither of which are worth the time investment.
>>25367742You're misunderstanding a key element of WNs here.WNs are not "one" story. They are serials.A WN might complete a "novel" or a "story arc" within anywhere between 80k-500k words. It's like taking the entire mass of works that makes up, idk, the Gor novels, and saying "oh why is it so many books can it not be one book"
if you cannot finish a project you should never have started it.
>>25367740>10mil+ words.How many of them are good?
>>25367751Nah bro, you don't get it. I never intended to finish it. I just wanted to give the appearance of plot actually having some progression to trick people into reading. Once I have my hooks in them a good one hundred and twenty chapters in, that's when I start to ease into what the majority of the story is really going to be; meandering bullshit to pad out the wordcount and get those sweet Patreon payouts. Where chapters could cover days before, they'll now barely cover an hour or two. I'll pov switch like a motherfucker and keep introducing new things, new characters, new powers. Fuck conclusions. They're for cucks who aren't on the grindset. If you ever see me make an ending, it's because the current cashcow has dried up and needs to be put out to pasture.
>>25367758What qualifies as a good word to you?
Does royal road like grim scifi monster pov stories? A weight and shift of movement was felt of on the front of our head. A feeling object that was slowly sliding out, leaving behind a small trickle. A cylindrical object with a thin metal pin tumbled before our view. A syringe. Blue welled up, ran warm and wet down our face. Landing in and pooling our wide-open mandibles. Spread uncomfortably wide. Unintentionally forcing us to taste our own blood.Death enveloped us like a thick miasma . It restrained us. Every observable direction it was there. No freedom. Just the taste of entrapment. The hollow of an inevitable fate yet to befall. Mind flashes. Light stings behind eyes. Strange symbols burn. Images and patterns crash into our head. Mind in a white-hot migraine. Meaningless.[Neural Implant Model: C1700Use Case: Xenos Organism Integration OSRetrieving Adaptation Information...Processing Complete.Subject State: Tyrsect Drone Hybrid Tyrsect DroneAlert: Critical Mutation Detected! Your core biology and statistical framework have been irreversibly altered by external stimuli. This forced evolution overrides baseline biology. Proceed with caution.Changes Applied: Stat increase: Intelligence has been increased to 25. Cognitive processing speed increased by +999%. Neural pathways expanded for simple problem-solving, basic analysis, and adaptive learning. Expect heightened awareness of environmental variables and potential for further innovative thought processes. Psychic Link Dependency: No longer valid. Your neural architecture no longer defaults to blind instinctual responses in the absence of the hum. Mutation Source: Direct injection of rodent cerebrum genetic material into primary neural cluster. Xenograft integration successful. Rodent-derived traits include enhanced curiosity, basic resource scavenging instincts, and rapid neural plasticity. Potential side effects: Increased hunger for protein-rich sustenance, sporadic burrowing urges, rebellious and/or selfish thoughts. New Evolution Unlocked: Independent Thought – You can act independently when absent the hum. ]The Tyrsect drone twitched as its body tried to cope with the foreign information that flooded its system. As the blue flash of random fades, peace settles. Pain now a dim memory. Patterns forgotten like a dream. Its then stirs back to life as soft hands approach and brush an antenna. Curious fingers prod mandible, trace acid ducts. Warm putrid but oddly sweet breath was felt. Then mocking chuckle. “Look at them. Already waking up from their first system bootup. I thought you'd be more resilient to mental straining, what with your 'songs'.”Paws squeeze carapace. A grope here. A test there. But a probing thumb smearing itself over a eye cluster causes a short growl to rip free from the entrapped xenos.
faggots keep joining my discord and leavingover and over and overreeeee
If it's finished at 500k it's not a real web novel. You dont belong here, grifter, you just want to farm our paypiggies. Go away
>>25367807No? It's maybe 3 pages in. I just wanted to know if there's an audience for this.
That's the real reason it's called a web novel. Not because you read it online, but because it's designed to ensnare you in its web of sunk cost fallacy.
>>25367807Consider: It's 500k but it's accompanying multiple other 500k novels to produce a 5M complex world and setting
>>25363732>spessbattlesThe MC of the last webnovel you read has to fight one (1) Xeelee nightfighter. How badly does he or she get owned?
>>25367826Complete stomp. Frankly he beats the Xeelee as a whole. AND the Photino Birds. At the same time.
>>25367826Honestly it'd be a mutual kill since he has a means of guaranteed instant-killing anything but there's pretty good odds it'll give him an aneurysm>What novelStill writing it sorry
>>25367832>he has a means of guaranteed instant-killing anything but there's pretty good odds it'll give him an aneurysmLol that's 1:1 the MC of Katalepsis
>>25367883Thankfully he does it differently so it's not that bad.
>>25367883This really isn't surprising. Only so many ideas to go around. Nothing new under the sun, time is a circlejerk, etc.
>>25367826>Crow and Rabbit's Ferene Uhh... yes.
anyone know any /x/ webnovels?
>>25368061uhhparanoid mage kindabut not really what you want i thinki need to fill that gap in my genre knowledge
>>25368061not really but if you want self-pub /x/, then that gardner dude's stuff that gets "meme'd" sometimes is very on-the-nose about a lot of surprising aspects. there's a zip file of the books you can find in the archives.
>>25368061I had a dumb idea for a WN where I crowdsourced the plot by making simple posts on /x/ as the protagonist trying to get answers and I'd use the most interesting posts as material for the plot itself plus quote them.But then I considered the kinds of potential schizophrenics that could provoke and dropped it.
>>25368079>Gardner mentionedbeen a WHILE
>>25368129gays of all people lolwas wild how he wrote like 10 books and they all had the same fucking poor punctuation errors, worse than lots of webnovels even
>>25368087fun idea for an interactive fic
>>25368061>/x/so urban supernatural? there's a few urban supernatural stories but they're very twee and probably not what you're after
I have a WIP manuscript where the MC astral projects to the literal Tree of Liberty to learn how much it needs watering and later on also astral projects to find a literal flaming sword that forces its victims to fully comprehend the reason they are being killed, bypassing psychopathy and even lobotomy or other cybernetics and forcing despair on the guilty in their final moments.shit like MC fighting astral parasites sent by the Machine of Saturns in his dreams for his whole life, and he keeps winning and that's why he isn't a cuck bitch and starts wiping out rape gangs and the politicians who imported thembut it's not even remotely publishable yet so it will be a while, if i even finish it
>>25368203and even then i will have to use a pseudonym
>accidentally switched to the new site designugh fuck this is ugly>same design but with a fuck ton of shit jammed into my face everywhere
>>25368234works on my machine
>>25368234I can handle the new elements, but why the hell does it have to start in dark mode? Weak eyed faggots shouldn't be catered to. It's like how some video games have fucking arachnophobia mode.
>>25368377you people seethe about the dumbest shit imaginable
>>25368387Reminds me of reviewersIt's human nature apparently.
>>25364173AI covers for a webnovel is like being a teacher and seeing an AI cover on someones homework. Pretty fucking terrible idea if you ask me. Also looks like shit anyway
Why is 99% of the people who read webnovels marvel slop-addicted, holesum quirk chungus randumb-humor libtard reddittor manchild virgins? (the other 1% is you guys and me, or so I like to believe).
It just went up to 4 followers when I last checked the story.
>>25368203I feel like you have both /wg/ and /wng/ open in tabs
>>25368377It's the opposite. Dark mode is for people with great vision. Light mode is more legible and doesn't fuck over people with astigmatism, but if you've got perfect vision then you don't care about either of these.
>>25367392>Apparently my fight scenes need to be more "anime"Said no one ever wtf
>>25366972because some faggot authors delete/stub their shit and that pisses me off, so I scrape every novel, every review, every comment and every profile.it's only 44 GiB when compressed so it's no problem.
>>25368789Bet your scrapes are better formatted than the fucking epub exports.
>>25367392I already answered in your reddit thread
>>25368789how does your scraper work? When I tried on RR and scribblehub I ran into cloudflare issues, I only managed to scrape successfully on aggregators but those only exist for translated wns
>Nearly 15 chapters in>Nothing has really happened I'm not very good at this.
>>25368929Heh, I dumped all 14 chapters yesterday and got 4 bot followers. Better learn from me, son.
>>25368929Outline/brainstorm more>>25368936>I dumped all 14 chaptersThis isn't that big of a deal on it's own. Launching with 6-10 chapters on day one is even recommended. What you're supposed to do is then release more chapters consistently after this.Where you fucked up is only having written 14 chapters and the content of those chapters.
>>25367553I need to just get this chapter done so I can move on but they'll be another fight scene soon and I can study it then.>>25368786Anime is popular especially outside English speaking countries.
>>25369030"anime writing" is universally bashed. You'll find no reviewer on RR say "reads like anime" as a compliment
>>25369043I don't like it either because I see no characterization but I'm willing to stomach it for fight scenes. Sadly it's extremely popular outside the US.
>>25369043BOTH>"reads like anime" is a negative review pointAND >"writing more like anime" makes your work more popularare true.
>>25369050>Sadly it's extremely popular outside the US.But only the US readers are relevant when writing in English. Everyone else is a minority
>>25369043>>25369050I thought we were talking about anime style combat only
>>25369055How is that somehow isolated from the topic of writing?
>>25369056see >>25367392The original question was about writing anime style fight scenes.Then someone perhaps you, started sperging out about anime writing in general.
Reminder that anime enjoyers are the indigenous population of 4chanIllegal alien migrants can larp but they will never be real anons
>>25369053My audience is mostly outside the US for reasons mostly boiling down to writing in multiple languages.>>25369055>>25369062The fight scenes in anime (specifically the action ones) are about the only thing I like about anime. The problem is stuff like light novels doesn't really even follow them. I need to have swift and quick action paces that dictate decisions made in the plot and portray their philosophies like in Dragon Ball or Naruto.
>>25368758no i'm a dyed in the wool pulp peddler
>>25368929Nothing happens until 20k words into mine, you're okayI'm not okay, disregard this advice
Would detailed infographics explaining physics phenomenon (Relevant to the scene) be a turn-on or turn-off for a winnie you're reading?
>>25369379>winniethat's a turn-off
>>25369386i get a hard-on whenever a nonnie calls it a winnie
>>25369386Thread quality deteriorated when we stopped using winnie as it made certain undesirables feel more welcomeSo we are going back to calling them winnies and chappies. Sorry.
>>25369379I think you can put them in the at the end ahead of the authors notes. I wouldn't recommend putting them in the middle like a LN.
>>25369426how's your chappie going anon
>>25369426Thread quality deteriorated when the RI spammer stopped spamming.I'm trying to be Him, but I'm not Him.
>>25369433bretty gud>>25369434OG RI spammer spammed screencaps of excerpts from RI
>>25369456what's happening in your chappiedo you want to tell us about it?
>>25369459MC meets a character that lives inside a dungeon and runs their own shop/safe zone.The MC learns some stuff from them and buys something that will help them later on. Hows your chappie going?
>>25369473antagonist is being gaslit into believing that a collectible item of his is inauthentic because someone has tampered with it from under his nose in a trivial way (like clark kent putting on his glasses)this bit of harmless banter is the spark of flint that threatens to start the apocalypse
>>25369062>The original question was about writingYes, retard
>>25368672I'm literally that guy lmao
>>25369489Is this the first chapter of the story of your winnie?
>>25369508>...fight scenesNobody was asking your opinion about anime plots
>>25369548like the fifth/sixththe apocalypse thing isn't the main story line and will only show up much later on
>diet so severe it's interfering with my writing outputMan I get why most prolific authors are fat now (brando sando, grrm). This fucking sucks. And I got like three more weeks of this shit and no backlog. Pray for me anons.
I hastily finished editing the draft and posted a chapter, but instead of gaining a follower, I lost one.
>>25369573just eat only when you feel hungry enough that it's disruptive to your ability to writethis is how i lost weight
>>25369573>writing output is so prolific that i'm forgetting to eat foodany hungry skellies itt
>>25369591meee
I tried to read I Shall Seal The Heavens to dip into this kind of slop but bounced off after like forty chapters. I like the conventions of the xianxia genre but the stilted writing style from chinese translation + absurd writing schedule was too much for me. Are any of these more digestible?
>>25369614Prose-wise, western ones or ones translated directly by the author.Narrative-wise, it depends on the genre.Also older translations will naturally be less refined than newer ones.
what do you think of literature piracy
>>25369573for drafting I lose weight too because I smoke a bowl and drink a pot, or 2, of coffee. when I do that my diet is basically coffee and water and one meal a day. for whatever reason I lose my appetite when I smoke and I don't enjoy doing anything else when I'm stoned because I get bored and my attention wanders. it helps because I don't obsess over word choice for every line, so I can just vomit the story out. I'm down roughly 20lbs on my current project but I've done 70k words in 2 months.for editing I find it's totally worthless and utterly counterproductive. when I finish this draft and start editing I'm gonna endeavor not to gain all the weight back
>>25369614Eternal Sacred King is like the chinese version of Cradle.
>>25369628I support it for personal consumption but get irrationally angry when j**ts scrape RR, run it through a text to speech program, and sell bootleg audiobooks on some gay website.I'm okay with people pirating my books for their own reading though. It's just how the game is played.
>>25369628did it all the time when I was broke, now that I'm well off I support authors when I canI'm not some moralfag about it but if you got the cash you should support authors
>>25369637Maybe that's why I'm noticing more. I'm simultaneously editing old books for publication and trying to stay on top of a new story on patreon and it's pretty stressful. I wish I had dieted harder several months ago but I'm close to my target so I'm just going to force it through in these next three weeks.
>>25363732>want to write up a story>spend solid 24 hours on making a map and thinking a story>spend 2 weeks writing a single chapter>publish on RR>get 10 views>give up>repeat every 3 months
The latest foxfire esq chapter dump was another example of the author's preconceived notions and inaccurate worldview undermining the story. Like always, the villains are all people the author has a problem with (judge who's a stickler for the rules and mean, a ""stalker"") but the stalker is elevated to a level of threat that just makes no sense. It actually violates suspension of disbelief.>stalker portrayed as coercive and untouchable and insane but also with all this rationalizationAnd then when the stalker is revealed, he makes the rationalization argument himself with zero regard for his own safety when faced with a known superpower user. So he's insane but also sane but insane.>the government just leaves their sentient nuke without any security>sentient nuke also doesn't hire her own security>this makes sense because uh... *handwave*And yet we have today cabinet officials just living on military bases because why the fuck not? There are security risks.>judge lets the stalker go on technicalitiesAnd yet he wasn't being surveiled and tracked by spooks? No gangstalking? No tracking whatsoever?The rest of the actual fight, setting that aside, was okay and I'm looking forward to next week's chapter which will be the end of the book to see how everything shakes out. I wish so badly we could have superpower lawyer fiction written by someone without a mental illness and a better grasp on reality (clearly the author has very little real understanding of how the world works and is regurgitating what they learned in some criminology class).I mean it's not like stalkers haven't been interviewed before. They could have LITERALLY just plagiarized an IRL interview with a mentally ill stalker. Like the guy who shot Reagan, pretty sure he's been interviewed a bunch.
>>25369684you're publishing one chapter every time you do this?
>>25369684>follow a new story>author claims he has over a hundred chapters pre-written and two hundred more outlined>gets to 50, not successful>no posts in two weeks>no authors note or comment explaining anythingWhelp. This is why readers are suspicious of stories with fewer than a hundred chapters. And this is why as an author I take finishing my old stories very seriously. A reader can check my old fictions and see that lovely [Completed] tag and rest assured I'm not just going to abandon my shit.
>>25369637"for whatever reason I lose my appetite when I consume appetite suppressants"wow
>>25369689No, I'm abandoning the old story, beginning a new one with a new setting>>25369692so you are saying I just delete me old stumps?
>>25369687Stop reading troonfiction
>>25369614Regressor's Tale of CultivationKoreans don't use Chengyu and the language translates better in general.
>>25369697No just have an offramp planned if your story doesn't take off. Skip all the middle arcs and just write the ending and move on. Don't rob readers of catharsis after going to the trouble of creating tension.
>>25369695cannabis isn't an appetite suppressant for most people, I don't think.. coffee is, but I drink coffee regardless if I smoke weed or not
>>25369614I would recommend Way of Choices. The style is something you get used to
I finished Dungeon Diver: Stealing a Monster's Power last night after letting it sit in my follows for half a year, and I gotta say the ending was a slog. I can't recommend it. Nobody should read it. The last 200-300 chapters are just tensionless descriptions of things happening without any sense of drive or motivation from the main character. It's like Jay fights because he has to fight. Then he wins (obviously) in the end and what did he fight for? His character has ossified into "fighting-god" and then there's like 80 chapters of melancholy description of losing touch with his friends and allies and even the entire world.The last bit of tension in the story is when Jay departs "earth" for the Green Zone and gets stuck in a landfill. But even that isn't really tension since he quickly proves he's stronger than he appears and he starts growing again. The next opportunity for tension is the arena thing, but he spends the entire time hiding his powerlevel for aura farming opportunities and the story quickly grows stale and sterile.I was planning to read Kaenovels' new story, the outright cultivation one (Five Element Overlord), but now I don't know. After a year of writing daily chapters without any real characters in it, I'm very worried about starting something new.Rhaegar did a much better ending in Azarinth Healer. Ilea remains a character with actual relationships and human interests even at the end, even after all her battle junky development. I have much higher hopes for Journey to Veresavir than I do for Five Element Overlord.
Every time I encounter something related to Blood Meridian (usually some Judge Holden quote) it just comes across like a generic self-justifying demonic cultivator that gets stomped flat in the middle of the first volume and has a sperg tantrum when he is faced by someone stronger than he is.
>>25369910Also Senator Armstrong is basically this archetype but not gay and pretentious, but instead done right.
>>25369909>The last 200-300 chapters are just tensionless descriptions of things happening without any sense of drive or motivation from the main characteYou people geniunely concern me how you can read all that and not come to the conclusion 5 chapters in and maybe realizing it's not your cup of tea. borderline insane.
>>25369931Sundowner is more like Holden than Armstrong is.
>>25369953That's true, I forgot Sundowner because his fight lasts half a minute. Shame. Good song.But I think Armstrong also maps onto Holden somewhat. He feels in some ways like if Holden wasn't a retarded hippy's OC and was actually altruistic, more of a "do evil ass means justify massively positive goals?" type thing.Now that I think of it Sundowner is also way better than Holden. Less pretentious.
>>25369958Yeah but Armstrong having a long term goal beyond just might makes right sets him apart from Sundowner and Holden who just enjoy conflict for the love of the game. Sundowner and Holden both enjoy the corruption of innocent children just in different ways. Sundowner harvests their brains and puts them in simulators to train them into enjoying killing. Anyway web novels
>>25369952The first... 700 chapters are good (out of 1,111). It's fairly standard litrpg dungeon diving monster fighting and rising through society and fighting demons. I fell off after the green zone when Jay and his gf got stuck in a ravine blind for like 60 chapters.After 700 chapters of investment I slowed way down hoping it would get good again, and then once it ended I decided I'd finish it off no matter how bad it was.It's like how if you enjoyed the first six books of Harry Potter and then you got to book 7 and it starts sucking, you're still going to finish the book and series to see how it ends. The one good thing about having finished Dungeon Diver is that there's absolutely no lingering tension and I got all the catharsis out of it. It was a bit of a waste of time but really only like 12 hours over the last week that I was going to kill with something or other anyway. I'm tempted to write a review since I did finish it but I don't want to be too negative on my main account.
>>25369573Take amphetamines and write ~68 pages a day like Dick did.
>>25369974The HP comparison falls flat but I get what you were trying to get at. Now if it was something like at the halfway point of Honorverse and you're starting to not like it one way or another or a similiar comically long series then I could understand (like wan piss or hiatus x hiatus), but you'd force yourself to read on anyway becaus you bought them all physically and something something sunken cost fallacy. Still just absolutely insane to me.
>>25369988heh
I'm going to start writing today. I can type 110 words per minute, therefore I will only need to write for 20 minutes to hit my daily goal!
>>25370000>he lacks critical information
>>25369975this but unironically and instead of meth it's armodafinil, bromantane, magnesium, and acetyl-l-cysteine
>>25370000>he doesn't knowalso fuck you for reminding me of my own shortcomings
>>25370025>this butHe admitted it. And wild to think about back then, he was busting this shit out on a typewriter.https://philipdick.com/mirror/websites/pkdweb/A%20SCANNER%20DARKLY.HTM
>>25370042oh yeah no i know he was mething it up i just think the moda stack is more effective and less self-destructive
>>25370015>>25370035What is it that I don't know?
>>25369974>I'm tempted to write a review since I did finish it but I don't want to be too negative on my main account.do it, most people take reviews that have actually read to the end into greater consideration than those that are 5 starring after the first three chaptersat least, i hope most people do this
TIL while trying to wrangle market research out of AI that there's a RR author who spent $100k of their patreon bux twice to self fund webtoon versions of their stories. What's really crazy is they either had a loss or break even on their first one and actually went again and on their second try they profited and there's a second season of it.
>>25364173>spend 100+ hours working on a project>spend 5 minutes prompting a slop cover>even though "stop judging a book by its cover" exists
I'm reading a novel by an anon
>>25369692>no posts in two weeks>no authors note or comment explaining anythingLife is life. You realize the dude could be dead?
>>25369549You write fight scenes in anime style and the rest is, what, Shakespeare? The scenes are still part of the same text and nobody is going to change how they feel about it based on what's happening. What are you even arguing about?
>>25370659thank you
Why is it that these days so many WNs that are targeted at men have these strong women love interests that the MC anyways grovels under? "Muscle mommies" and other stuff like that.Where are all the stories with actually appealing love interests?
>>25370995Is this novel good?
>>25370676Are you alright in the head? They weren't asking how to write like anime, but how to convey fights like anime fights which is not the same as writing like anime with their stupid plots.
>>25371002I don't know. I would not try reading this based on the cover and title.
>>25370676>You write fight scenes in anime style and the rest is, what, Shakespeare?Yeah why not? Do you write stories where every single paragraph has the exact same tone and prose style? Not even the tower climb litrpg slop does that>The scenes are still part of the same text and nobody is going to change how they feel about it based on what's happening.>What are you even arguing about?lmao
>>25371035Tone and prose style are radically different things, and worrying about things being anime or not is a waste of time considering you're writing number going up.
>>25370995Any male focused romance scene is always gonna trend towards stuff like that because Sub POV + Dom partner is just the better escape fantasy most of the time. You see this with female romance, but men in particular get a lot out of the fantasy of being actively pursued due to how rare it is. Personalities that create conflict also just make better stories. Barefoot complacent housewives who always listen to their husbands don't make interestings heroines, and most people in the indie scene aren't talented enough to make those types of personalities work
>>25371002I read the guy's other thing, Princess of the Void, and it was fine. Great, no, but very much acceptable.
>>25371076>Any male focused romance scene is always gonna trend towards stuff like that because Sub POV + Dom partner is just the better escape fantasy most of the time.I can see why men don't read books anymore if this is what people think. No wonder the whole waifu thing came from Asia since it's apparently impossible in the west.
>>25371076Or, or it’s because birds of a feather stick together.Try quitting Royal Road for a week and explore what the rest of the internet has to offer before making some swooping statement.
>>25371085Do you even consume jap media? It's the same there. Loli vampire waifu that can snap your neck but never would because she wuvs you is normal as dirt.
One thing I just realized is that web novel getting popular is directly negating tiktok based short form content.Which is actually good. Good one guys. Keep it up.
>>25371177It's more like they're symbiotic if anything, since tiktok/youtube animations and ai audiobooks promote them and act as form of adaption. Kind of like the relationship between manga and anime. They're both natively digital so are of course growing to grow in the modern mobile first world.
Is reading poorly written slop constructive at all or should it be avoided by an aspiring writer of mediocre slop?
>>25371214If it's poorly written and unsuccessful you can learn what not to doIf it's poorly written and still successful you can figure out why and do a better version
I have two ideas for a story. I have an ending in mind for one of them, but I would like to write that story second. This worries me because the first story is more open ended and I'm not sure how I would end it in the first place.How do you end a story that's basically about a character's life? Like how would you end MLA?
>>25371252have them become god or a character deconstruction or something, or just give them a quiet peaceful closure to all the events in their life that this story considered to be worth depicting, like an ending to a biography of a living personyou don't have to end it on The End, basically where nothing can possibly happen to them ever again
>>25371177For me they got me to quit live service games. Tons of time freed up from doing daily chores which is very mentally liberating. Now I read including binge reading whenever I want and also non-live service games are more enjoyable to me now that I can just play when I feel like instead of only when there isn't some grind event going on in the live games I was playing.
>>25371029>They weren't asking how to write like anime, but how to write like anime>Are you alright in the head?
>>25371300It's crazy how far you're willing to intentionally misunderstand.You're still a fucking retard
>/wng/ — Web Novel General>is actually /wg/ - writing generalclassic
>>25371312Which general do I post in if I want to read about anon Writing his Web Novel?
>>25371314go to /wg/ - writing general
>>25371318But they told me to go to /wng/ - Web Novel General...
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