Have you reached the acceptance stage yet and mastered the /lit/ language?
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>>25369105Je sais parler français, le problème c'est que j'ais peux d'opportunités de le practiquer (personne le parle ou j'habite).
I'm pretty good with it, can understand most things. Can't speak it well yet. I need to read it a LOT more than I do though. My original goal in learning French was to be able to read it but I slack off on it severely. Read a handful of books in the language, though.
>>25369121That's too bad but it's ok to have languages purely for reading. It won't be the full real thing, but no one really knows spoken Latin, certainly not the classical one from millenia ago. >>25369131It helped me to start from a very low level and I partially learned French with comics. It's strange that it is never recommended when it's often the case with Japanese, and frankly the French BD are better than the jap ones.
recommend me some good resources to learn french
Ironically Qu'est-ce ? is more literary/formal than the longer forms
>>25369105I wish I could read it faster. The orthography isn't nearly as much of a problem as people say it is, but it does slow you down if you're sub-vocalizing as a learner.
>>25369177True, but feels outdated
>>25369145hate this smug contrarian fuck so muchFor resources, I really like French for Reading by Karl Sandberg and Michel Thomas' French courses (pirate them). Both have you learn intuitively instead of memorizing shit.
>>25369105I've been learning to read it for a few months now. I've got to a point where I can read academic articles and nonfiction books quite comfortably; however, when it comes to fiction works, it feels as if I'm dealing with an entirely different language (the only exception to this was, I think, Le diable au corps, but it was still quite challenging).
>>25369105Between studying latin and my partial spic heritage I can puzzle out some of it. I have no desire to go further than that.
>>25369569Actually, it would be cool to learn Cajun French and then annoy actual francophones with it
>>25369559You should start by reading Le Petit Prince or something. Next try Camus who migth be a meme (or not) but exclusively uses short sentences and is perfect for learning.
>>25369105I’m currently just using Duolingo to learn French. But i genuinely have no interest in interacting with French people. France is a shithole morally depraved country. Their literature and history alone is worth learning the language tho.
>>25369105England is the spiritual home of the French tongue>Oldest manuscript of the 'Song of Roland' comes from Oxford>Oldest history in French is 'Estoire des Engleis'>Two-thirds of Francophone manuscripts from before ~1200 AD come from England
>The language of stuck-up, perverted, atheistic colonizers nah I'ma stick with Arabic
>>25369989i can't believe england was once home to civilization
>>25370140Not long from now people will be looking at London like we look at Baghdad today.
>>25369105Nah, what if I want to read Russian /lit/ instead?
>>25370140Indeed, and look what happened once we loaned it to the fucking fr*Nch
>>25369105would rather not
>>25369572Cajun and Quebecois are funny rather than annoying. Even Franco-ebonics elicits a smile in homeopathic doses. Try the franco-algerian that nafris speak in our version of section 8 housing. That's how to make us seethe.
>>25369145FSI french was the meme. The real modern answer is just take a class at your nearest Institut Français or Alliance Française. You will meet girls too. If you're poor, then pirate Assimil. I still recommend to save money and l take a class though.
>>25369121It's funny. I don't know French. But my English and Italian made that entire sentence understandable.
>came for the original works>stayed for the translationsFrenchmen have a bad reputation for language learning because bartenders will refuse orders in English from tourists but the literary/academic language scene is excellent. I once read in the ABC of reading by Pound that French translations of Greek and Latin works brutally mog English ones, which I was able to attest once I became able to read them (I painfully read Latin and no Greek but I am talking about engaging the translated texts direclty). I pretty much exclusively read in English for original English works now. The French versions are superior for any translation from another language. I once also read Goethe thought that Nerval's translation of Faust is just better than his own text and that's often considered the best text in German. In fact nearly all cases of translations ending up recognized as better than the original (Plutarch, Arabian nights, Goethe, Poe, etc) happened in French. If you don't care too much about "authenticity" (you'll only be able to maintain three or four languages unless you're a language genetic freak anyway) but want one language in which wou'll have the best overall version of world litterature, French is the way.
>>25369145Just learn through the comprehensible input method. It's the best, most efficient and effective way. I learned French through Assimil but I didn't start actually attaining real comprehension until I switched to just doing pure input. I'm now learning Spanish through input as well and it's progressing much more quickly than my French ever did (granted I probably have a leg up since I'm already familiar with a romance language, but still)
>>25371282Sounds like language learning youtuber's nonsense. Have you actually passed any French language examination? Or perhaps successfully used French professionally?
>>25371311No, but I can read French which is what this thread is about, and I know people who have passed exams and who speak professionally who learned via that method. Of course, if you're pressed for time and have to pass some sort exam then obviously you'll probably want to take a different approach, but to actually become comfortable with the language and eliminate internal translation it's the most effective method. And there's no way you'll understand anyone in a professional setting if you don't get hours upon hours of comprehensible input.
>>25371131I'm french and know latin. The first time i realized i could more or less instinctively get the meaning of italian texts, it felt like i was having a stroke.
>>25372376Kek I've had this exact same experience, but it came from studying proto Germanic (on top of knowing a bit of German) and then accidentally understanding a sentence in Swedish.
>>25372379>studying proto Germanicwhat's that like?
>>25369105I can understand most things, but when I speak it I found that non-French speaking people either that be Canadian, Africans or Belgian can accept my accent and some pronunciation error and we talk just fine, while French people pretend like they don't understand shit
>>25370010lmao buthurt Abdul is at it again
>>25369989Anon...all of this is kinda true just cause you guys got conquered by the frogs lmao, it's not something to be proud of
>>25369105Yes, I've got the B1 level.>>25369121Same.
>>25369105I'm awful at learning languages, it is a complete mystery to me how I managed to learn English from watching tv as a ten year old. I'm trying the same thing with French but it's not working.
>>25372945>it is a complete mystery to me how I managed to learn English from watching tv as a ten year old. I'm trying the same thing with French but it's not workingEnglish is the easiest language to learn, that's why it became a global language.Even french, one of the easiest after english, is 10x harder.
>>25372965>English is the easiest language to learn, that's why it became a global language.That's more due to the economic dominance of America. Before that it was mostly French, then English mostly in trade, then German in more technical fields.
>>25369105German is the language of Nietzsche, Heidegger, Hegel, Kant, Goethe, and Mann. French is the language of.... houellebecq.
>>25373015>That's more due to the economic dominance of America. Before that it was mostly French, then English mostly in trade, then German in more technical fields.Wrong, those languages were only spoken by the elite: anyone can speak english, you don't even neee to study that much.No one would speak Mandarin if China was the Suporpower. Because it's hard as fuck.
>>25373038>German is the language of Nietzsche, Heidegger, Hegel, Kant, Goethe, and Mann. French is the language of.... houellebecqHouellebecq mogs them all.
>>25373045>you don't even neee to study that much.If I heard Russian on tv every day as a kid I assume I would be speak it well by now.>Those languages were only spoken by the eliteYou overestimate the English abilities of the average non anglophone.
>>25373055>If I heard Russian on tv every day as a kid I assume I would be speak it well by nowSome people have been watching anime in japanese since late 90s and they still don't understand it.
>>25373052His wife is Chinese
>>25373060Japanese is not an indo-european language. For me English is a bit easier than French, but that is because I also speak a Germanic language. If I spoke Italian, French would be the easier language. Your point that English is the lingua france due to it being easier rather than the geopolitical and cultural dominance of the US and Britain is incorrect. Also most weebs watch English dubs.
>>25373045Mongolians have no problem with it despite Mongolian being radically different from Chinese. The same situation is emerging right now in the parts of Africa China is investing heavily in. For that matter the same is true of early Japanese scribes writing in Middle Chinese. It's my impression people get so bogged down in studying a language from afar with books they underestimate how effective learning in immersive situations is. People could absolutely be speaking Mandarin around the globe like they currently are English. Maybe they wouldn't sound native, but neither do Mongolians.>>25372965People also underestimate how complicated languages they're already good at are. That's why Engrish exists.
>>25369105>try to learn french>hey, this is pretty easy>uh-oh, idiot, here comes higher french!gave up about 20 minutes later. I'm learning spanish instead.
I've had 6 years French classes in school, barely managed to get a 4 (probably C/D) at the end.Fuck this gay ass language, maybe it's good for reading gay ass literature but the most useful languages for real world applications are still English closely followed by Spanish.
>>25372401Imagine Latin but with a ton of Rs and Zs and German flavored and (iirc it's been a while) a more complex case system. Also dual numbering (single/"dual"/plural) which is fun, I don't think Latin has that.>>25372945The childhood brain structure is primed for it, past 12 or so it becomes dramatically harder to learn new languages.
>>25371251>can only maintain three or four languages Ridiculous nonsense; if this is true of you, then you are the genetic freak.
>>25373261Literally the opposite of the truth. This thread is filled with CI cultists and believers in child prodiguosity.
>>25373038Voltaire, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Fenelon, Moliere, Racine, Hugo, Dumas, Foucault... that's off the top of my head. There's alot more than that. Include works of history and French goes blow for blow with German. Tldr learn both.
>>25373038I hope you're trolling
I'm a French teacher in an Anglo country but I'm really tired of stupid textbooks that teaches students the language in the most dumbed down possible way with uninteresting and infantile texts while all the literary content of the language gets ignored.Has any anon here learned French or is currently learning French through French literature and what books/courses whould you recommend for that?
>>25374442What. Why don't you recommend somethingn useful first
>>25369140Which comics did you use for learning French?
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>>25374487You can start with the great classics (Asterix, Tintin, Lucky Luke, etc) which are made to be readable by native speaking children then move on to those of Jean Van Hamme which are all good.
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