Been on a vampire bender lately, so I started Empire of the Vampire.
Pretty good so far, prose kinda sucks and is overwritten though.
Excited to see where it goes.

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Had to rant about this. It just doesnt make sense. First things first. Why actually are the Cielcin even participating in these negotiations? At first I thought its to get Tanaran. But the negotiations are going on as if the Cielcin already have Tanaran (we'll get to that) then I thought it was because of the slaves being freely given up. But why wouldn't they then enter the war asking for such first instead of just taking what they want? Why would they ever entertain diplomacy when they havent before? Sure theres the "if you can get free shit why not". But every thing the story has told us about the cielcin suggests that they cant even process the idea of giving and taking something mutually, they just take.

Finally there's the direction the negotiations have ultimately come to in picrel. What the fuck is this deal? So the Empire is asking for Tanaran (somebody they already had before negotiations) in exchange for giving up Hadrian...what the fuck is this contrived nonsense? What the fuck? This literally makes no sense. First of all, ignoring the blatantly contrived fact that the Cielcin have no need great enough for Hadrian that they would suspend pillaging planets for way more slaves to agree to this. Second of all. The empire gains literally nothing from this, considering they have ZERO guarantee that the Cielcin wont just take Hadrian and continue to blow up planets. The empire has ZERO fucking leverage whatsoever, thats why they even had to seek an audience with the cielcin in the first place, because they are more desperate for the war to end than the Cielcin seem to be.

This entire conversation and actually the negotiations fundamentally make no sense. Its clear that somehow Kharn actually has the leverage here, especially considering the fact that he was able to actually vocally command one of the Cielcin leaders to sit when they were about to get mad at Hadrian. So out of grace, Ill assume the fact the negotiations even exist at all is valid. But the negotiations as a conversation make no sense. The point Ruocchio is trying to make with the Cielcin is also bad, the situation is simpler than it seems but he keeps trying to pretend its actually totally deep that another species views the world and values differently.

>>25374078
I read that series last month. "Overwritten" is an accurate description, and while they were all enjoyable, the later books took the story in a direction I didn't care for much. First book was definitely my favorite.
Still, it was a fun read. Curious to know what you think of it as you go on.

>>25374043
>What upcoming releases, if any, are you looking forward to?
Why would any intelligent reader do such a thing?

Is The Stand any good?

>>25374115
It's very long, so nope.

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See thats the problem. The entire negotiations were a meta farce. Something that should not have happened not for any reason the story presents. But because the story cannot justify it beyond its circular existence as evidence of the very fact that it shouldnt exist.

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What is the best sff book to come out in the year 2020+

>>25374043
>What upcoming releases, if any, are you looking forward to?
i've been on a ~20 year time delay for SFF and i don't really see that ever changing.

>>25374128
Shadows Upon Time

>>25374128
It's been grim lately. Not much good. Maybe The Tainted Cup? And even that's like a 6.5/10

>>25374128
Piranesi

More books should have dinosaurs.

https://privatebin.net/?f6eeec78210ab3ba#BK1ygvbk2MDSgNZydqEedpiUpHZgycvrdZyom5Rzdzjx

I finished the third book of the Drenai saga: Quest for Lost Heroes.

And I'm completely turned off from the series, the writing is good and the brotherhood themes are quite compelling. But it's all whore's and simps for fucks sakes.

One of the main characters is a cuck in all senses of the word by the end... And it's painted as something noble.


I don't mind romance, in fact I quite enjoy it if it's properly written, but this endless simping muh love of muh live that s cheated on me with 10 dudes I would die for you if you just asked is revolting.

I cannot recommend this book.


It fucking suck because in general the comradery depicted on the story is top notch, I love some noble sacrifice just not for any woman.

On the other hand you guys have any good books were the male characters actually have some self respect and do not live to please women?

>>25374169
What will his next cope be?

>>25374146
The eldest civilized races of Malazan:
- Elves
- Giants
- Orcs
- Neanderthals
- Terrifying velociraptors with swords for arms

>>25374146
Hell yeah. Dinosaurs are awesome.

>>25374043
What upcoming releases, if any, are you looking forward to?
For the rest of 2026

July
We Were Forbidden

August
The Infinite State

September
A Trade of Blood
Engines of Reason
Scion
The Passing of the Dragon and Other Stories
Exit Party

October (less certain)
The Fist of Memory
Code and Codex

November
Premier

Sometime This Year Possibly, or Not
The Fires of December
Horneater

These are the ones that have a high chance of me reading them eventually. There are many more that I'll look at, but probably won't finish reading, or really even read more than an excerpt. Since the year is already halfway through I've seen books from next year and even further along that seem interesting.

>>25374128
>What is the best sff book to come out in the year 2020+
In terms of sales and popular consensus among male readers, it's Project Hail Mary and nothing else comes close. If you pick a small, specific, and unrepresentative subset it'd be something different. For me personally there are a lot I've greatly enjoyed, but I don't know which of the 100+ I've read that've been published since 2020 was the best. It's definitely not Project Hail Mary.

>>25374179
Its the swords for arms bit that makes me entirely unable to take them seriously

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Its just comical at this point how Hadrian constantly has to say "I dont know how or why X happened but it did". Does nobody else read this shit and see what the fuck hes admitting? Admitting to me, what I already concluded, that the Cielcin make zero fucking sense antropologically, sociologically, evolutionarily. I thought about this from the get go. How their retarded notion of authority is incoherent for a society. If they cant negotiate with humans that can speak their language, but still rationalize subjugating fellow cielcin, since "peace" meaning submission would = the same among Cielcin. They could never distribute resources appropriately to maintain their size or any population growth at all, because they could never give anything up without weakening themselves as a collective. And the weaker they are as a collective, the less stuff they could build, and the less units they could conjure in a war against one another, its just stupid. It would devolve into a society that constantly kills itself little by little, because the only way it knows how to interact, is violence.

Which still leaves the question of how the fuck they even came to the negotiation table, and more importantly for what. As more and more pressing.

Ruocchio is trying to make a point that rests on extremely shaky ground. Theres a possible way to cheaply cop out of this problem (just make the cielcin more reasonable) but that would almost certainly break his point about "le different truths...for different peoples..." which is just poorly done also because Hadrian is such an absurdly fucking retard that the way this needs to be spelled out to him, is in the most extreme way possible.

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kek, either he felled for the gpt hallucination or he's just flailing about

>>25374137
Weird way to spell Disquiet Gods

>>25374173
I get the sensitivity but neither Chareos nor Ravenna (iirc that's her name) were innocent by the end and are faithful to one another iirc. Felt more like Gemmell trying a bit too hard to cleanly tie up plot threads than pushing emasculation as today's fantasy might.
Also Kiall getting a Mongolian tomboy wife was pretty based.

>>25374241
>the weaker they are as a collective, the less stuff they could build
Addressed later on. Maybe finish a book and then post your thoughts rather than giving us the play by play.
>how the fuck they even came to the negotiation table
iirc the Empire gave a tribute of 20000 human colonists on ice to Kharn, who gave them to the Cielcin, who were under the impression that the humans were submitting to them via that tribute.
>le different truths for different peoples
Sun Eater is very anti-relativist. Ruocchio begins with Hadrian's naivete and has him realize that objective truth and good are real and that the Cielcin oppose it.

>>25374146
Dinosaurs are dragons but gay, especially now that ScienceTM wants us to believe they were actually giant poultry.
What we do need are more varied dragons, with heavy flightless ones like Glaurung, snaky Chinese ones, etc.

>>25374043
>What upcoming releases, if any, are you looking forward to?
The Wolves of War by John Gwynne
I know this general doesn't really like him and some of the criticisms make sense, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this one. I quite enjoyed his last series.

How does Malazan book of the fallen read? Is the prose good?

>>25374362
Prose is good. My issue with Erikson is he deliberately obfuscates information from the reader for no good reason.

>>25374362
The prose is neither good nor bad, but Malazan is full of exposition, to the detriment of the story and characters. The author spends far more time telling you about the various characters and places of his setting than actually making those characters and places interesting.

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>>25374260
>Sun Eater is very anti-relativist. Ruocchio begins with Hadrian's naivete and has him realize that objective truth and good are real and that the Cielcin oppose it.
Oh I can tell with the extremely stupid surface level ways that Hadrian reacts to anything not within his frame of understanding. Theres a very specific response he gives not too many pages away from the page I posted, but I cant remember which specific ones. He says so much dumb shit throughout the book its hard to keep track. I know he brings up theseus again (wrongly) when talking about hoe Kharn could transfer to his clone children. Then he pretends that concepts like gravity, metal and objects are more truth essential or whatever because the cielcin can understand it but not love. And then finally, he wrongly implies that K selection animals should have any sort of inherent parent attachment to offspring, but animals like sea lions and bush turkeys dont, and animals like lions will just straight up eat their offspring.

He does this alot, things some facet of "existence" is representative of some inherent fact of normative human behaviour, and just blindly refers to whatever confirms his bias.

I also forgot, theres some stupid shit he says about the soul that I already forgot because I just get tired of how much stupid empty shit Hadrian says.

I think he sets up and uses the "relativity" points so that he doesnt seem stupid on its face, so that he considers the sensibilities of the time enough to not be out of touch, sort of like the multiple ways Christians have learned to acquiesce to certain norms and notions to stay relevant.

Because I was actually critical of the relative arguments he tried to make to, theyre not good. It basically amounts to "people have different perspectives" which is stupid and doesnt defeat objectivity, objectivity acknowledges that. Youd have to prove that the objective fundamentally cant actually be objective, and you have to do a lot more work than merely point to the existence of the subjective to say so. Youd have to go a sort of Kant route (not a subjectivist but one should get the point) that basically our understanding of the world literally cannot exist without imposing very particular human ways of understanding the world. Aka there cannot be anything else. Objectivity is Subjectivity.

But Hadrian isnt smart enough for that and I dont know that Ruocchio is either. Kant writes a lot of words to prove that, and more people after him write even more words to refine what he says and iron out the bumps.

>>25374260
>Addressed later on. Maybe finish a book and then post your thoughts rather than giving us the play by play.
I already get what the book is leaning towards with this part. Considering theyre less technologically developed. But you cant make this reply. The book acknowledges what I have already pointed out. Meaning the book is somehow smarter than you, basically whatever conditions the Cielcin are in, it wouldnt matter, because it wouldnt make sense how theyre able to even keep up or threaten human civilization enough to remain relevant with how they are set up socially. Its not just that "oh maybe not being collective enough makes you weaker". Not its that, to space travel, to space battle, to even develop certain weapons requires more than just cooperation or working together, it requires certain concepts of understanding eachother and how to value things that the Cielcin lack.

If your response btw is just affirming Hadrians speculation that the quiet just did voodoo magic to make it all work, then I dont really care, thats just contrived writing around the problem.

Also If the answer isnt given by the end of the book this part of your entire reply is invalid

>>25374410
But, like that other anon said, you're complaining about shit that does get addressed (though not for a few books). Specifically how they developed certain technologies despite their abhorrent and factious culture.
Regardless, ultimately, the Sun Eater is a space fantasy story rather than true scifi. Having "voodoo magic" solve problems is absolutely going to happen again and again. I found much of the answers unsatisfying but it wasn't really "contrived" as it was literally the main plot. I just didn't like where it went.

>>25374415
>but it wasn't really "contrived" as it was literally the main plot.
These arent mutually exclusive. They cant be. What, do you think writers just accidentally write in a deliberately forced way that leads to the outcomes that are necessarily demanded by the story's trajectory? Do you think that when the writer writes so that a character dies for suspense, but is revived later for unexplainable reasons that arent completely circular, that they just accidentally forgot? Something is either contrived or not. I'm not appealing to subjective feelings on whether it "felt right" or not. I'm looking at whether the text does enough to justify the conditions of its outcomes.

>you're complaining about shit that does get addressed (though not for a few books).
I have to judge a book by whats in my face at a certain point. If every book is a 700 page piece of something "greater" where the point is only finally made 3000 pages in, then what are we doing? What the fuck is the point of the prior books other than "facts" that can be summarized in a wiki. This is actually the book's chief problem with its failure of character and thematic writing. How many times it needs to tell you about another characters feelings, and personality because they have none actually of their own that doesnt revolve completely around Hadrians own non personality, like classic shonen anime protagonist who are cheaply given one defining feature that is all that they are, so that retarded teenagers with no standard of personhood due to a desire to seek friends and validation for its own sake until they learn in their late 20s how much they regret not being themselves (they never had selves to be).

If you lie to me and try to tell me that you felt the depth and weight of Hadrians feelings and guilt regarding Jinan, as meets with Jinan multiple times after the betrayal and does nothing, says virtually nothing about her besides the designated "Jinan was really hurt by your betrayal!" scene and then basically nothing after.

Or if you tell me that all the times Hadrian says "I could love her!" about Valka right after breaking up with Jinan, and then they spend time together and eventually kiss out of nowhere, and it never feels right because the weird thing about Hadrian and Valkas relationship in this book, is that theyre always close, but there isnt any chemistry. I have a feeling this nuance will be lost on this site. Its clear Hadrian likes Valka for the same reason Manic Pixie girls are liked. Theyre vaguely independent, vaguely different, vaguely strong willed, and most importantly they make the protagonist feel like they should change themselves to appeal to her arbitrary sensibilities and they interpret that as "being better". But that isnt loving a person, thats liking what they do for you, and a friend could easily supply that.

Dont even get me started on Switch.

If there was a simple point to be made. From the botching of the Ship of Theseus thought experiment, to the incoherence of freaking out about giving up his own blood just to give up the cielcin one, to the handling of everything with switch. To the constant appeals to a "soul". Even if the how to's of the Cielcin are explained. I have zero confidence that that explanation will actually be worthwhile, that it will be enough to remedy the problems, that it will ever actually deepen the dynamics of the series. Because when opportunities were present for the series to do such on a smaller scale, to make Switch's hate of nobles, and his betrayal seem more coherent. To fix Hadrians simplification and misunderstanding of the ship of theseus and explore what actually makes it meaningful. To not let Hadrian just spout strawmanned nonsense about physicalism. To make Hadrian have motivations that dont just exist because...they just do, oh and "Gibson Gibson Gibson". It never did anything with all of this, when it could have done something with one of this in atleast one book (seriously the amount of times the soul and ship of theseus is talked about is too much for how shallow it is everytime)

I don't believe somebody who botches this, can somehow actually totally 180° in the future and suddenly make this complex. What I think theyll do instead. Is manifest the same shallow point, in different ways. And that difference to some people will seem like complexity, because its "more".

I might be wrong, atleast a little bit. But thats not worth Seven 700 page books. Or is it? Do you guys have that much time? Technically I should, and it still sounds unenticing.

>>25374430
You're arguing against a bunch of strawmen. My point was that it's stupid to bitch about unanswered questions (one the text straight up brings up BTW) before finishing the series. I've said nothing about characterization or theme. If you don't like it, drop the series. It's not going to change or improve.

>>25374043
>TQ
A Trade of Blood (Shadow of the Leviathan #3) in early august

late fall:
The Thrice-Bound Fool (Blacktongue #2)
Kingdom of the Conqueror Worm (Lunar Gothic #3)
Infinite Wisdom (sequel to Artificial Wisdom)

>>25362814
Tried it. It's not doing anything for me. There are things to like here. But it's just not grabbing me. It was as I feared. Being a sparse boomer era narrative. Characters quickly moving from one scenario to the next. time passing in blinks.

Around the halfway point, the Princess flees. The sequence leading up to her flight is nice enough. But when she actually leaves, suddenly massive events are skimmed over in a few sentences. Winter comes, people scatter, the princess goes missing, new characters enter the picture. All within like 2 paragraphs. And then it slows down again to tell the story. But I feel like the author skimmed over some interesting stuff. I don't know.

The prose is fancy, if you guys care about that sort of thing.

I'm going to drop it and find something else.

I might die before Red God comes out. Not that I'm terminally ill or anything, just that the author is petrified at the idea of choosing an ending to the series and so won't write it.

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>perfect sci fi doesn’t exi-

>>25374682
You are part of the problem of why authors have difficulty finishing.

>>25374682
Red God is going to be an epic enemies to lovers romance between Lysander and Rhonna

>>25374078
I agree with the other anon. Be ready for occasional homosexuals as well. It's not that prevalent but worth noting

>>25374759
Very sad to see the Red Rising series descent to retarded YA slop.

>>25374128
I'm going to say City of Last Chances
If you like the idea of a fantasy city going through an industrial revolution with magic muskets, demonologists raising slave labour from the depths of hell, a magic ww1 soldier-knight who is searching for his lost wife, and a palace district turned congito-hazard by the ghosts of the last king and his court then I highly recommend it.

>>25374774
But Red Rising itself was YA slop
>>25374778
Sounds interesting, thanks anon.

>>25374179
>- Terrifying velociraptors with swords for arms
People confuse their hunters as representatives of the entire race.

>>25374790
It started out at a tolerable level of YA, then it declined significantly as the books progressed.

>>25374795
Sure, but it's still funny to imagine even the non-hunters inventing anti-gravity castles and cell phones and shit.

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>>25374043
>last book ended on a blatant cliffhanger
fuck you, cook. at least he seems intent on releasing the trilogy quickly.

>>25374206
Only the soldiers have sword arms. They're like an ant colony but with dinosaurs and flying mountains for nests

>>25374146
Glenn Cook of black company fame has the garret PI series. It has the odd dinosaur. They're just another animal though in the fantasy world where he goes around sleeping with broads and being a private investigator.

How do we get rid of the sepia page posting faggot for forever?

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>>25374778
Forgot the cover

>>25374881
I was told not to mock the mentally handicapped so I just ignore him.

>>25374851
Because he has more or less written the first three out of planned five novels.

>The saga will have at least 5 volumes:
>Lies Weeping (November 4, 2025)
>They Cry (scheduled for November 3, 2026)
>Summer Grass
>Darkness Knows
>Untitled 5th volume

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>>25374865
I still think one of Cook's "problems" is TBC basically overshadowed everything else he wrote. Dread Empire, for example, is a terrific example of epic fantasy written by an author who doesn't normally write epic fantasy. It's also surreal how much THAT series actually inspired the likes of Malazan. Mocker, for example, is almost 1:1 Kruppe.

>>25374887
We need to bring back eugenics.

>>25374887
>I just ignore the menace to society actually
Many such cases!

https://youtu.be/dWuEdJEAQvk?t=6m52s
This guy makes a good point here thats got me sort of more interested in Game of Thrones, it sounds silly that I never saw it this way now that I consider all the theories but it makes some sense

>>25374955
Begone pagespammer.

This page poster has exhibited copious amounts narcissistic psychopathic tendencies.

>>25374115
Yes. King's usual supernatural bullshit is annoying but the rest of the book is surprisingly good. If you want to read a good post-apocalyptic book without supernatural garbage I'd recommend The Postman, Canticle for Leibowitz or Earth Abides.

>>25374955
Great idea, anon! Go talk about it there >>>/lit/grrm

>>>/vrpg/4009389

Has nobody noticed that these threads now are weird anti-jerks where nobody actually talks about anything regarding a book that goes past the wiki page. Or merely mentioning that a book exists. How does anybody justify the existence of these threads? How shallow do you have to be to tolerate this? It's like social media, but the bare kind of social media, like twitter or Instagram, where you just post something to post something, nobody is ever saying anything significant, never making a point or analysis, they're effectively just either pointing at themselves with a picture, pointing at an event with a picture, or pointing at an event with words, and then somebody else reacts, but adds nothing to that. Its the same here. You'd think with how much this site tries to distinguish itself from base social media, that it would be different especially considering that the character limit here is like 10 times that of twitter and even though instagram has a bigger character limit than twitter, it might aswell not.

>>25374996
Discussion regarding nonmegapopular books is routinely ignored.

>>25374996
Congrats pagespammer, you're on your Why Does This General Exist arc. That shows that you're progressing through the stages of grief.

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>>25374955
lol.....

>>25374996
...?

People talk about books all the time. Yeah it's mostly reccs, lore discussion, and reviews, but that's what book discussion places are.

Immediately above your post are people talking about The Stand, GRRM, Malazan, and The Black Company.

We don't do two things that other places do which is enough to justify our existence. Those are:
- Insanely obnoxious astroturfing for new titles that suck ass by people you've never heard of
- Caring at all about what authors do outside of SFF

>>25374683
Pic unrelated.

>>25375021
>People talk about books all the time
eh
>but
it is so non-substantive as to be effectively nothing

>>25375021
>>25374996
Oh it's pagespammer. My bad.

My friend anon, people would welcome and love your posts if you had any skill in analysis.

But you are genuinely very bad at reading. You're like an old computer that runs out of RAM after 3-4 paragraphs. Your thoughts aren't great and you seem genuinely surprised that books are laid out in a linear fashion where information is supplied on pages other than the one you're currently reading.

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>>25374912
you say that but
>the black company
>dread empire
>garrett pi
were his big three. then you also have
>instrumentalities of the night
>starfishers
>darkwar
which still got at least trilogies

my one regret is the dragon never sleeps didn't kick off a series. pacing in that thing is so crazy it feels like cook crammed TWO novels into one.

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>>25374993
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>>25375029
>it is so non-substantive as to be effectively nothing

>>25374996
Your posts prevent people from posting because you make this place look like a garbage dump.
>inb4 but it's dead when I don't post anything
It isn't. We're waiting for you to fuck off.

>>25375021
>Immediately above your post are people talking about The Stand, GRRM, Malazan, and The Black Company.
>>25374375
>>25374394
>Malazan has prose but is expository
>>25374607
>Book is not grabbing me, events skim over and then slows down sometimes
An empty statement that can be said about any book ever, might aswell reduce it to "Boring".
>>25374682
>Simply mentions Red God
>Replies go nowhere other than acknowledging the mention of Red God and that Red Rising is YA.
>>25374778
This is the only interesting post in the thread only because its a new book that isn't mentioned here often, but the sell on it is pretty bad and shallow, nothing that couldnt be gotten from a Wikepedia page. I know. Because I've been to the wikepedia page before this book was even mentioned here.
>>25374795
Oh yeah I forgot
>Malazan has Dinosaurs and other wacky races and magic
>>25374851
>Book ended on cliffhanger
>>25374912
>Author has problems, but one of their series is well written because I said so.
>>25374973
>The Usual Author stuff occurs in this book, but its good. I recommend other books though without the usual author stuff of the book youre asking about

All of these are either passing opinions, or literally going "Thing exists in a way that is again dependent strictly on my subjective judgement that I can't communicate beyond the incredibly basic fact that I can reference my own feelings and therefore don't need to actually write, elaborate on or justify anything".

None of this is above the level of passing "I just read X book! it is X genre! and the prose is X quality! and its X written!" that you can find from the most generic #books tag on instagram or twitter. If you think otherwise its because you have no self awareness of your shallowness, or you're simply stupid and thats the problem. You don't care to put the effort into communicating more about a book that couldnt be found on wikepedia page, that couldn't be generated from an AI. That couldn't be scrolled past casually on a Twitter or Instagram feed. And that is fine. The world is made for people like you. Thats why echoes of your manner of expression exist so far and wide in so many easily accessible places and so many easily accessible ways. You will never ever ever ever possess the self awareness to address anything I'm saying. The mere fact that I had to go back and find the specific posts you casually figuratively "pointed towards" and show exactly how the fact that you pointed to the existence of people "talking" about books doesn't disprove my point and criticism of the shallowness of how books are talked about, proves my point alone.

Its simply easier to make a shallow gester, or opinion of something without having to show your work, or any thought. You can call somebody wrong without ever having to prove it. You can reference something without ever actually expressing any understanding of that thing.

Which is why despite how thoroughly wrong you will have been shown to be by my comment. It wont matter. The world defaults to validating shallow expressions like yours, and dismissing the careful direct reference, and demonstration of the nature of a thing. It's not to say that piercing the veil of the surface level is never rewarded or appreciated. But usually it is done so in an extremely closed off specifically created artificial space that needs to be closed off from the public audience to be allowed to manifest because otherwise people wouldn't engage with it without it first being filtered through in a way simple enough that the conclusion is all that needs to be understood, because it is authority (or popularity) that validates the idea, not the idea itself. It's why Jordan Peterson cam get away with characterizing Post Modernism in a way that has nothing to do with Post Modernism, and retards will eat it up. Because the usefulness of Jordan Peterson to allow the mass to engage with "complicated ideas" that are supposed to be important and intellectual, without ever having to directly engage with or understand those ideas. Maintains a power over those ideas. While never having to be personally anymore than the shallow we default towards.

>>25375080
>>Author has problems, but one of their series is well written because I said so.
yes. it's called opinions, retard.

>>25374262
Any feathered dinosaur is cooler than a Cockatrice.

>>25374996
Just do yourself a favor and go to Reddit. I'm not insulting you or anything. You'll be much happier there.

>>25375086
I'm glad atleast that I don't have to waste my time putting in the effort to change anything about how I understand the world and this place because people like you seem never capable of understanding or engaging with the point, and almost seem as if compelled to prove the very point due to no will of one's own.
Actually I'm not glad. It makes me sad. It makes me sad to not have to change my perspective. It feels stagnant and like there is something missing. That everything is fake and not real, yet we must maintain airs that it is, thereby giving oneself up to that very non-will one wishes to rise against. This tells me that my conception of control and will is flawed and missing something. It tends too easily towards this flatness of perspective.

>>25375050
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>>25375094
You sound severely autistic, why do you even want to engage with other people in the first place? The only one who can change your perspective is you, and if you say that conversation here doesn't offer you any incentive for that, what the fuck are you still doing here?

>>25375094
Go on a journey of self-discovery elsewhere.

>>25375122
I enjoy his stuff.

>>25375080
I don't know what you're arguing about, and I don't care. But I resent that you said my statement was "empty". Your summation of my statement is what's empty. Clearly there is greater implication in what I said, even if what I said was very abbreviated. If you really cared to know more, then you could ask me to expand on the idea. Ask me what I meant by it. Or challenge me on the idea, and see how I fire back. But do you do any of those things? No. Instead, you ignore the implications, and reduce my idea to something so generalized that it loses all meaning. And then blame me for what YOU just did.

So yeah, basically fix your fucking attitude before using me as an example in your arguments.

Querying my third fantasy novel now. I think I might make it bros. It's a lot more interesting than my first (second is a direct sequel to the first so it's in trunk novel limbo).
Thanks for reading my blog. Felix DeWinter anon, if you're around, I hope your book's getting the attention it deserves.

>25374080
>25374124
>25374241
>25374408
Go away.

>>25374796
Golden Son > Dark Age = Light Bringer > Iron Gold > Red Rising = Morning Star
Series has improved more than declined imo

>>25375143
>Querying
>I think I'm gonna make it
Nope, lol.

>>25375135
>I don't know what you're arguing about, and I don't care. But I resent that you said my statement was "empty". Your summation of my statement is what's empty.
This is what everybody says to escape having to justify an argument. Its empty. Its what creationists say in reply to scientists' criticism of creationists. My criteria was made clear, and the reasoning behind it was made clear too. You cannot say anything against that, so you instead slap a label onto the criticism that allows you to do exactly what I pointed out people of your ilk do, and exactly what I pointed out Jordan Peterson gets away with.

>Clearly there is greater implication in what I said, even if what I said was very abbreviated. If you really cared to know more, then you could ask me to expand on the idea. Ask me what I meant by it. Or challenge me on the idea, and see how I fire back.
It's not my burden to carry you through the daycare of how to express meaningful ideas clearly. Also you misunderstand, mere elaboration does not suffice. One can elaborate on a shallow point and it still remain shallow. There are entire channels, that effectively just recap a movie, or show, or game with no analysis. If you had something worthwhile to say. You would have said it. The thing is, you just dont care that much, and you have no reason to go beyond the default of what is expected, because that is all you are.

>>25374408
>retard that thinks its smart carries on and on and on about shit nobody cares about

Of all the retards I have to deal with on this website on a daily basis, this idiot posting screenshots of ebook pages is the only one I genuinely, sincerely have grown to actively loathe.

I genuinely, sincerely hate (You)

>>25375157
>muh scientists
>muh creationists
This being your point of reference outs you as a redditor.

>>25375169
Threads went to shit the moment he started posting.

>>25375080
>but the sell on it is pretty bad and shallow
Yeah because I actually want people to read the book. So I mention the setting and some unique aspects I would find enticing if it were being sold to me. I also include the cover because a picture will draw eyes.

What I would do if I didn't want anyone to read a book is post random sepia tone pages and then drone on and on about my thoughts on the page.

>>25375173
lol how new are some of you?

>>25374851
>at least he seems intent on releasing the trilogy quickly.
He's already 5 years past the burger's best before date. He better be if he wants to finish it.

>>25375176
>Noooo, I've been here for 5everrrrr!!
I know you're the pagespammer, bakkerfaggot.

>>25375092
>pretending Reddit is any different than normalfags spamming the same five books in every /sffg/ thread
Kill yourself, newfag.

>>25374683
>he thinks gravity's rainbow is sci-fi.

>>25375157
>This is what everybody says to escape having to justify an argument.
I'm not in your other argument to begin with, so I don't have to escape from it. I only stated that to make it clear that I have not been following the chain of replies up. I was only reacting to your last post alone.

>It's not my burden to carry you through the daycare of how to express meaningful ideas clearly.
You don't have to carry that burden. But if you don't, then you also don't get to claim my statement was empty. Because you didn't try to engage with my statement in good faith. You've already concluded that if I had something worthwhile to say, then I would have said it. But that's a presumptuous statement from someone who didn't even do the work to understand in the first place. You didn't probe at all. And again, if you don't want to probe, then fine. But you can't conclude my statement isn't worthwhile until you do.

I actually do care, and am willing to "go beyond the default" as you put it. I was pretty excited to see the little icon on tab that shows I got a reply. And then I go and read the reply, and it's from some insulting, insufferable, presumptions, self-important little shit.

>Pretending there's any true, genuine, sincere difference between modern 4chan and reddit
lol, lmao. Two sides of the same shit-smeared coin.

>>25375200
>I'm not in your other argument to begin with, so I don't have to escape from it.
Empty statement. Something isnt the case because you declare it so. If somebody makes a pointed criticism of the premises of helicocentrism, the fact that a heliocentrist personally does not consider themselves "in an argument" (what a stupid thing to say in the first place that demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of what an actual argument is that isnt the most basic, arbitrary use by the lowest common denominators) does not change any facts of the matter the argument addresses.

I'm not really responding anymore. You have zero self awareness. You have no awareness and understanding of the claims and criticisms that are being made. You have no understanding of why those claims are relevant. You have no understanding, despite it being spelled out, of the paramaters of those claims and how those paramaters necessarily trap you in a cycle that can't be escaped due to a lack of self awareness.

You use words like "good faith" as emptily as I have shown you use words in general, but the fundamental problem again, is self awareness. You fundamentally cannot understand how your use of "good faith" is wrong, because you dont know or understand what burden of proof is. And you don't know or understand what burden of proof is, because you are a shallow retard that does not understand the conditions that ground conversation, argument, and debate. You don't understand how your use of certain words precisely contributes to my point about you because you're using words for yourself. As a wall to project outward so that you never have to think any deeper about the implications of what I'm saying and look inward at what they mean.

I have made my points clear. I do not want to discuss it anymore. I only noted all this because you whiny fucking losers cry constantly about my posts, and I know for a fact you all think yourselves above instagram and twitter, and yet are exactly as shallow and basic as them in how you talk about books.

Even me replying to this is a sin on my part. You successfully shifted the conversation from that core fact you were never able to disprove, only rationalize with "Well I COULD HAVE HYPOTHETICALLY ELABORATED" yea so could every other person that I bet you have all, chastised on good reads or twitter or youtube, and will continue to do so. You have no self awareness because to have any would mean a greater standard imposed on oneself where they would have to be more than less. More than basic. Its alot easier to maintain the airs of being better, and good by convincing yourself your hypothetical elaboration would have been deep, and circlejerking with your fellow retards about how much better you are than goodreads and booktubers (of which many are not even nearly as shallow as you guys shockingly) while being the exact same.

Kys all of you. All of you are stupid worthless fucks that have wasted my fucking time

>>25374912
> Dread Empire
Its on my list now. Can't go wrong with cook.

Mark Laurence who wrote the broken empire series has this issue in another way. Broken empire is the edgiest series I've ever read. Though I haven't read bakk3r so he might have it beat. His series' outside of broken empire were far more tolerable to the average reader. However, most of the time I see him recommended online I see replies whining about how they were filterd by the first 2 chapters of prince of thorns and wouldn't give him a chance.
Now he's back to writing dark fantasy. With his most recent book being about a retired hag assassin who gets gifted powerful necromancy and starts getting revenge. It's closer to BE than his other series and I think he's trying to get back that audience now that everyone else has written him off.

>>25375225
Uh-oh! Pagespammer melty!

>>25375148
I was going to say. I found it far less YA as I went from book 1-3

>>25375225
lmao, this dude thinks he's really, really, really, REALLY smart

The reality is that I am just mad at all the effort I wasted posting paragraphs upon paragraphs upon paragraphs of analysis and context with specific pages, and quotes. Just for some retard to literally say to my face while im reading that "Actually you didn't read properly because I said so and Ill never show that". And then waking up to this retard here >>25374447 who called my point a strawman, because he couldn't understand how I was establishing a pattern for why I don't have faith in or care for whatever explanation Ruocchio could produce in the futures because of all the times he failed on giving an explanation, or gave one that was poor in relation to characters, themes and otherwise.

But the fucking retard didn't understand that so just gave a stupid shallow response.

I want to talk about books, concepts, themes, ideas, and the underlying philosophy of many of them, even if they're bad. But nobody here is equipped for that. And that makes me frustrated. I do not want to post here any longer. It will be hard to restrain myself from doing so, but I will slowly work towards it. Fuck you all.

>>25375192
Reddit will get him the hollow verbosity he seems to crave.

>>25375225
>You successfully shifted the conversation from that core fact you were never able to disprove
It would be foolish to elaborate to a listener who doesn't care to truly hear what I have to say. You've already condemned me based on so very little. So I have no trust that you will at least try to understand what I have to say. My original post(about the book), did in fact have greater implications. I'm sorry that you were unable to detect them. But that was not because I'm a bad communicator. It's because you are a bad listener.
And I say "detect" my implications, because I don't expect you to get the full understanding based on my initial abbreviated statement. But if you at least detected the implications, then you might be intrigued enough to speak with me further, and we can have a discussion. That's preferable than me just dumping a 10 page review that nobody asked for or is interested in knowing about.

The discussion could be about the book, if you fixed your attitude. But until that point, I'm just going to focus on the fact that you were too presumptuous to call my statement empty.

If you don't respond to this: fine. Go fuck yourself. I'm glad your going. Your spam was an eyesore. And for the record: I never gave you shit for your spam. Ever. I simply ignored it. But you got my attention by being an asshole to me. This is on you.

Why is this motherfucker deeply analyzing and philosophizing over what essentially equates to the modern equivalent of the modern penny dreadful or pulp fiction novel?

You might as well be analyzing the finer philosophical points of your average episode of Barney the Purple Dinosaur as far as I'm concerned.

You're analyzing generally brainless material. Might as well start a fucking toy review channel on YouTube at this point.

This pagespammer guy is highly autistic and what a strange thing to hyperfixate on too.. This dude definitely has no job, probably lives in his parents basement and probably hasn't had a single sincere genuine relationship since high school (maybe ever) that's the only explanation for how he manages to do this shit all day, every day for hours on end.

We are dealing with a motherfucking RETARD who has NO LIFE and yet SOMEHOW it still considers itself to be some form of "intellectual"

I literally can't think of a fate worse than being autistic honestly.

>>25375265
Nobody is reading your posts, dipshit. Quit replying to yourself.

>>25374080
>>25374124
>>25374241
>>25374408
A state-run insane asylum could have prevented these posts.

>>25375281
>I literally can't think of a fate worse than being autistic honestly.
This had me laughing outloud for some reason it's just so funny in this context

>>25375304
I hope your aging mother cuts off your internet access, parasite.

I've sat here for maybe five minutes thinking of characters I hate and I cannot think of a single one that is worse than Cassandra. I hope Ruocchio is in this thread and he sees this and cares enough to kill himself.

>>25375243
Good riddance, bad rubbish.

>>The reality is that I am just mad at all the effort I wasted posting paragraphs upon paragraphs upon paragraphs of analysis and context with-
lmao, GOOD.

>>25375333
All of Ruocchios characters are bad. He's a horrible character writer. Like genuinely horrible anime tier.

>>25375309
this dumbass nigga actually thinks everyone is pagespammer how many times has he gotten it wrong now?

>>25375309
could just be a general wish for aging mothers to cut off internet access from their various parasites

>>25375343
There's really no need to drag anime down to that level. It's not even close to being as bad.

>>25375294
My grandfather worked as a driver for one in Canada before they all got shut down.

There was one window licker in a wheelchair he didn't like. So when the speddy has to get a ride to a doctor's appointment he'd forget to tie him down in the back of the van.

Apparently it was really funny when they got there and the drooler was spread eagle on the floor from one too many potholes.

>My grandfather was a psychopath
Good for you???

>>25375243
Did you never make it out of highschool? If you had ever written a paper in post-secondary education you'd realize that writing a lot isn't hard. It's getting your point across concisely which takes real skill.
No one wants to read an in depth analysis of a single page. Finish the book and then start a discussion around a single point. This is social media, not a book club.
If the content deserves more engagement, then create a thread about it. Like the grrm one

>>25375410
TRUKE

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Thoughts?

>>25375421
>It was fun!
It's shit.

>>25375421
As a rule I don't read books with LGBT or Queer as a top tag on goodreads. Was there something you liked about it that would allow me to get over my heterochromia?

>>25375429
No, just the blurb was interesting and thought I'd ask here.

>>25375393
If we still had them then page spammer would be the damaged dimwit instead of the serial child molester. Really makes you think

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Just finish Omniscience already you fucking hack

>>25375386
>>25375393
This had me laughing outloud too unironically

>>25375080
The intelligence of the average internet user has dropped massively. That includes 4chaners. People are graduating high school without the ability to read. Do you think they can post anything beyond "X is good!"?

>>25375243
>I want to talk about books, concepts, themes, ideas, and the underlying philosophy of many of them
No. You don't. You want to feel smart. You want to feel validated by this general (even though you think we're all beneath you). You're the kinda guy who loves the sound of his own voice.
You're pathetic.

>>25375632
btfo that loser

>>25375243
>But the fucking retard didn't understand that so just gave a stupid shallow response.
Because it took you six paragraphs for what should have been a simple response. Hell, it's only in the second post that you actually get around to making your point. And honestly, I straight up quit reading your second post once I saw you seething about the Ship of Theseus again as I figured it was yet another tangent that didn't apply.
If you want to discuss books then make concise points.
The other thing you have to realize is many of us, even if we have read the books you're discussing, haven't read them for years. So a lot of your points are about shit people don't or barely remember. That's not going to cause much discussion. This is a forum, not a book club. If you want that in depth analysis of books, find a book club.
Regardless, you're likely not going to like the answers for the Cielcin. I thought the world building was interesting and fun even if Ruocchio aped much of it from better authors like Wolfe and Herbert and I quite enjoyed the Cielcin and their culture. Based on some of the other stuff you've said, it's unlikely that you will. More importantly you seem to want to read a series with complexity and depth, but you're not going to find that with Sun Eater. Sun Eater is pure pulp.

Im 85% of the way through Howling Dark. Should I just finish it or move on? Problem is I don't know what to read next. I am heavily debating whether that one anons recommendation of City of Last Chances to another anon is worth it.

>>25375632
I am pretty sure if I started spamming surface level ChatGPT lines and conversations on here, no one would notice the difference. You will even have people defend the lack of quality posts.

>>25375421
I'm gonna assume it's a romance story sprinkled with a bit of bestiality.

>>25375648
Pagespammer, move on from this site, and no it isn't worth it. I've read it. You'll just get yourself trapped in another series where you don't want to read more of the books.

>>25375643
>The other thing you have to realize is many of us, even if we have read the books you're discussing, haven't read them for years. So a lot of your points are about shit people don't or barely remember.
This was supposed to be the point of the pages. A direct reference and context for the things I'm speaking about or criticizing. I know its not quite perfect or enough as if two people who fully read the book debated about it. But that is an idealistic circumstance that I can't grant anyone, nor anyone grant me.

>Regardless, you're likely not going to like the answers for the Cielcin.
At this point I'd rather just be spoiled for the answers, because Im 850 pages in the book, or 85% for the about 700 pages that the paperback is. And every booktuber, and positive goodreads review told me that the start was slow, the middle slogs, but the latter half is all worth it and when it gets good. I could finish the book today, and nothing yet has suggested to me that Ruocchio knows what hes doing (thematically, narratively with all the blatant future memory foreshadowing its clear he has some plan)

>More importantly you seem to want to read a series with complexity and depth, but you're not going to find that with Sun Eater. Sun Eater is pure pulp.
It wasn't me who lied to myself. It was the fans, and all the hype, and all the booktubers who sold me on "Its complex because Ruocchio acknowledges that Rulers...sometimes have to make evil decision" (grey morality slop talk) and other people trying to pretend and pass off Hadrians shallow ship of theseus judgement of the extrasolarians as actually deep.

I should have trusted my intuition when Daniel Greene tried to sell me with the grey morality buzzwords. Anybody who thinks of morality like that is never intelligent, and im like one of the most anti objective morality people ever. But I dont even use words like objective and subjective morality, because I've grown beyond that and understand that even within subjectivity, there are meaningful nuances and differences.

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Didn't he just say he was going away? I can't help but notice he hasn't gone away, bros.

>>25375686
I said its a work in progress that I will have trouble restraining myself initially, learn to read retard, should be glad I didn't make any false promises and understood it would take time, so that you losers dont freak out when I'm not immediately gone.

>>25375697
>learn to read retard
A bit rich, coming from you.

I honestly think pagespammer and anti-pagespammer should just kiss already. I am sick of the 'will they, won't they' plot. Move on already.

>>25375674
Jenseits von Gut und Böse!
Der Seitenspammer ist der Übermensch.

>>25375712
That would be gang-rape, anon. There are many anti-pagespammers.

Holy shit is spamposter finally going to khs? I want to thank all the anons who bullied him with facts and logic.

>>25375648
I think restarting the book or even the entire series is your best bet. A new series will bring its own headaches and confusions.

City of Last Chances isn't particularly difficult to read but I'm worried what it has to say about religion might actually kill you. I don't want you to die.

Any good fiction stories that include Islam as a religion?
I only find often very sanitized versions of it rather than proper ones (very rarely).

>>25375674
>It wasn't me who lied to myself. It was the fans, and all the hype, and all the booktubers
This will sound like the setup to an epic troll, but genuinely: how old are you?

>>25375872
There aren't many popular or "good" books that aren't sanitized religion in general.

>>25375869
>but I'm worried what it has to say about religion might actually kill you. I don't want you to die.
What does it say about religion? I noted a lot of goodreads reviews noted that, but they are genuinely retards so it doesn't mean it says anything interesting or insightful. They also said that Requiem for Homos was metaphysical, all you need to do is mention God a bunch in abstract ways and suddenly youre metaphysical. Just give me the broad strokes

>>25375876
Not telling. I am younger than 25 but older than 21. Thats all you'll get.

>>25375872
What does sanitized even mean? Historical Islam is very different than modern Islam, and was often objectively more tolerant than Christianity at the time. If you just want your bias confirmed theres a ton of slop for that, that is easy to search or could be fed by chatgpt

>>25375872
Not really. The best you can get are "vaguely Arabic" cultures and religions.

It's a no-win situation depicting real world religions. Either you get it right and it's not very interesting, or you get it wrong and people lose it.

The two exceptions are when a religion has already been so heavily featured and "remixed" in fiction that it's expected, or it's so esoteric that people outside of theologian circles aren't familiar with the specifics. Islam sits right in the middle of those definitions, worst of both of them.

>>25375881
Fair. But Christianity is so common you can get someone who puts a decent or even proper version in once in a while.
>>25375893
Sanitized Islam is modern wokist propaganda Islam where they ignore the bad parts and also suck 90% of the soul out of it.

>>25375892
honestly a relief to hear. you'll grow out of your "permanent college freshmen" way of interacting with the world before you're 30

wish you the best, good anon

>>25375901
>Sanitized Islam is modern wokist propaganda Islam where they ignore the bad parts and also suck 90% of the soul out of it.
Can you give an example of what you mean?

I know this exists in terms of like, Twitter and Medium articles, and probably nonfiction published after 2011, but you're seeing this sort of thing in fiction, and speculative fiction at that?

>>25375905
I don't remember the title. I believe it had the word Djinn in it. It was about a call to prayer but the protagonist (a teenage girl, YA novel protag) was allowed to walk around uncovered and speak disrespectfully not only to elder males but elder women not of her mahram).
I have spoken to some imams who have said that a child should be caned for being disrespectful to an elder.

>>25375903
ok thanks for best wishes, have a good day

>>25375912
no, have a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

>>25375872
Dune is the best I can do for (You)

>>25374682
I don't know why the author is having so much trouble. It's pretty obvious from set up in Light Bringer that
>Atalantia and the Abomination will take each other out of the equation on Luna
>Volga and the Obsidians will liberate and settle on Earth
>Diomedes will kill Apollonius
>Lysander will get back stabbed by Cicero and Julia
>Lysander and Darrow will both die to usher in a new political order

Lord Dunsany.

Thoughts on a Memory Called Empire? Well Written? Deep? (enough?)

>>25375661
Sold. Sounds hot.

Are all of the original Dune novels worth reading? I just finished Messiah, and I see there's four more by Frank.

>>25375872
The alchemist maybe? I didn't like it and it isn't really a normal fantasy. But it's got Islam and takes place in the middle east and was extremely popular.

Bill Clinton liked it apparently

>>25376151
I've never read beyond Messiah honestly.

>>25376122
I read it earlier this month.
The premise was unique among what I've read and enough to get me to read it: someone getting shipped off to an unfamiliar world with outdated memories of her predecessor.
The empire itself was also interesting. A massive, sprawling interstellar nation centered around a city-planet, with an unhealthy poetry obsession. It's only showed from the perspective of the elite and mostly from the capital district, so we don't get to see what living in it is really like.
The story didn't hold up that well though. Mahit gets there, bunch of stupid drama ensues, people die, more drama, politicking, one absolutely kino moment, all interspersed with dumb poetry, and then an ending that I forgot.
Every significant male character dies.
The names were, well
>say Teixcalaanlitzlim 10 times fast
Wasn't real happy about the main character ending up gay, either.

2/5, did not continue.

Any scifi/fantasy books with a blind protagonist?

>>25376122
> well written
I didn't notice it being poorly written. So it got past my filter
> deep
A bit more so than the average SFF book. The author was inspired by her falling in love with some culture or another and the protagonist has that mindset. It isn't too preachy about imperialism either unlike that cunt RF Kuang.

Overall I'd say give it a read. It does have some lezzing out either in the late 1st or 2nd book so if that turns you off so be it.

>>25376160
Also about Messiah, why did Paul invite all of his conspirators to Chani's birth? Is it because he saw a vision of Alia having them all executed? It just seemed like a really weird decision. By the end of the book, it seems like Paul acts the way he does because he knows exactly how the story will play out, so he acts that it does play out. If that makes sense

>>25376177
Paul did not deliberately invite the conspirators. Instead, they used an impending atomic attack to trap Paul and force his hand.

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>>25375410
>>25375643
indeed

>>25376184
>they used an impending atomic attack to trap Paul and force his hand.
Impending atomic attack? Are you referring to the stone burner?

>>25376165
How about a protagonist that goes blind?

>>25376122
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=37794149

>>25375429
good rule

>>25375429
problem is lgbt tags tend to be token in an attempt to game the algorithm

>>25376232
Sure.

>>25376243
Dune Messiah (which is also a sequel) but only for the last 70 pages of the book. He's also not completely blind, since he has visions of the future which allows him to act in accordance to it. Hope this helps.

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>>25374043
I used to be a huge Forgotten Realms fan. I’ve read around 100 Fr books in my lifetime. But kinda stopped reading as much after they quit making novels. I really like long series like Monster hunter international, Dresden files, the expanse, and game of thrones. What are some series you recommend. I ordered book of the new sun and Hyperion but after those are done not sure what’s next.

TL;DR what are some long sci-fi / fantasy series recommendations?

>>25374883
Dope will check it out.

>>25376273
Not sure honestly, just entering the scififantasy realm but Sun Eater is fairly long. 7 books, all atleast 600 pages

Dropped three body problem #2 a while back, figured I'd check how it ends via gemini
The third book sounds like a bad joke lol

>>25376298
One of the things AI is the absolute worst at, is summaries of anything. They never capture enough. That considered. The Three Body Problem is very obviously not good if you just do enough research

>>25376161
>>25376168
2 Hugo Awards for the Sequel and the first book is kinda crazy tho

>>25374146
Destroyermen

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>>25376273
Read pic related if you want something like classic D&D.

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why is every chapter in this a billion pages long